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Re: Sad but true, TQC < TQ
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and interesting aside to this thread along with another recent one which
discussed the ur-q's inferior rear suspension design (being essentially
mcpherson struts with lower wishbones)...
i see that ford in it's update to the escort cossie to turn it from '96 group
a to '97 'world rally car' (ie to the new fia rally regulations) has modified
the rear suspension of carlos sainz's new car to be....
mcpherson struts with lower wishbones.
..>From: "richard funnell" <richard_funnell@NGC.COM>
..>Date: Fri, 03 Jan 97 08:51:00 PST
..> It sounds as if you may have proven that a very hard suspension (urQ)
..> isn't as well suited to the real world as a more stock suspension
..> (5KT). You have modified the car which was likely set up stiffer in
..> the first place, and made fewer changes to the family car. Bad
..> On a flat track, stiffer springs coupled with rock-hard Konis (set to
..> max hard you say) and larger (read heavier) tires will be great
..> because it keeps the car flat and responsive. On a real road,
..> however, every item listed will reduce the compliance of the
..> suspension which reduces traction on rough surfaces. It's a relative
..> thing, but your comment that the urQ is flatter but drifts too much
..> sure points that way for me.
..> I'll admit I'm biased, owning an urQ, but frankly I didn't buy it to
..> race it and the incredible speed, stability and confidence the car
..> offers under all conditions suits me just fine.
..> Richard Funnell
..> Sad but true, TQC < TQ
..> Well, guys, the jury is in, at least for me. As you might know, we own an
..> '82 urq, a '87 5000CS TQW, and a '90 V8 Quattro. Ever since we got
..> our tq wagon and upped the boost, I've wondered if it was faster and handled
..> better than my beloved urq. To be brief, it is and does. It's sad to say,
..> but the 5ktq is the hands down winner.
..> My urq is very modified with ABT stage 3 computer, 2+ bar of boost, Eibach
..> performance springs (NOT the lowering springs), Koni's set to full hard, and
..> ferrodo street/track brake pads. It has a new K26 turbo, manifold, and head
..> (yes, new head) with Schrick cam. The cat is replaced with a straight pipe,
..> and the exhaust is unrestrictive. I have cloth seats and a 4 point harness.
..> Broken in Sumitomo 225/45/16 on BBS light 3 piece wheels are under it. It
..> SHOULD kick the mostly stock 5ktq's butt. It does not.
..> The 5ktq has new Boge turbo gas front struts, 1.7 bar of boost with a urq
..> wastegate spring, and Dunlop D60 A2 tires on the front a one Uniroyal and
..> one Goodyear VR rated tires on the back. These are on the stock 15x6 alloy
..> wheels. The 5ktq has new slag masters on the front. Both have about the
..> same mileage.
..> I have to say, the urq FEELS faster, but on the very challenging mountain
..> roads to our house, it is much slower when timed. It also doesn't stop as
..> quickly, so I couldn't go that deep into the turns. The urq was
..> flatter in the turns (probably because it is lower), but it drifts a lot more
..> than the tq.
..> I am very disappointed. All I could think about was how I would trade this
..> car in a minute for an S4, 5-speed V8, '90 200 wagon or '91 200 (yes I know
..> the '91 is a 20v). Unless I do an engine upgrade to the newer 10v or 20v
..> and replace the antiquated fuel injection computer, I don't think this car
..> is going to get any quicker. An even if I did, the handling is the best
..> it's going to get. I can solve the stopping problem by installing the dual
..> piston calipers I have sitting in my garage, though. And I resigned to
..> definitely do that now before the track days start up again.
..> Sorry to start this argument up again guys, but I though you might want to
..> know. BTW, the 5ktq is much quicker than the V8. I think the V8's steering
..> is too "vague"; obviously they were going for luxury here.
..> I think I'll sell the urq and buy a high mileage 5ktq for a couple of grand
..> and turn IT into a full time track car.
..> John Karasaki
..> Quattro Club (regional & national) member