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From: quattro@coimbra.ans.net
To: marriott@summa4.com
Date: 8 Jan 1997 01:23:56 EDT
Subject: quattro-digest V4 #31

quattro-digest            Tuesday, 7 January 1997      Volume 04 : Number 031

*  Welcome to the digest version of the quattro list.
*  See the end of the digest for unsubscribe info.
*  In this issue:
Instrumentation [WAS: Re: Chips for 94 90csq]
BMW center carrier bearing works!
Wagon info?
RE: '97 A4Q Squeaky Brakes Won't Stop!!
Re: Oil Filter Difference's, in general
The smell of buring oil (HELP)
Re: If it WASN'T a quattro...
91' 200 20V wagon mods?
RE:Kemco needs a Quattro
Ordering an A6QW
RE: Wagon info?
Re: Cheap filters....
Re: Ignition wires
Audi Motorsports Pocket Guide/Calendar
Wheels for a 83 TQC
turbo lifetime?
Re: Cheap filters....


From: quk@sievers.com (Phil Payne)
Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 22:50:51 GMT
Subject: Instrumentation [WAS: Re: Chips for 94 90csq]

In message <199701070008.QAA08277@sled> steveb@falcon.kla.com (Steven Buchholz) writes:

> Phil Payne writes:
> > I've always thought the quadrant gauge fitted to Daimler-Benzs a very 
> > professional instrument.  Not obtrusive, and visible at a glance should you 
> > need it.
> > 
> ... well there is a company that sells aviation [looking] quality gauges which 
> include a number of multi gauge units ... you could certainly fit one of these 
> in your car ... I hear that they are a bit pricey ...

I've currently got an electrically-driven one languishing in the bottom of the 
driver's side cubby hole, down by the side of the steering column.  _I_ can see 
it, no one else can.  I'd like a digital one to match the orange display, but 
I'd much prefer one that wasn't dependent on the Audi sender.  I'd like to fit 
a T-piece and use a second sender - the Audi jampot (jellypot?) has failed 
twice in 70,000 miles - once almost a thousand miles from home.

- --
 Phil Payne
 Committee Member, UK Audi [ur-]quattro Owners Club


From: Brendan Rudack <rudack@ucsub.Colorado.EDU>
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 16:35:53 -0700 (MST)
Subject: BMW center carrier bearing works!

Well folks, about a month after my poor baby broke it is all together
again.  With the help of Steve B. Bruce B. and Graydon S. my 90Q is
running again with about $50 dollars  of parts.  I rebuilt my center
drive-shaft (carrier bearing and u-joint only).  The bearing was gotten
through GPR and is BMW part# 26121209532. It is the bearing including the
rubber surround and the mounting bracket as one piece, total cost $35.  
I successfully removed the bolt which holds the yoke to the foreshaft with
a 17mm box end(this required removing the zerk grease fitting from
u-joint) but found it too difficult to get the yoke off(no way to
press/pry/hammer/pull etc.). With Graydon's help I took apart the u-joint
and discovered it to be fairly "trashed" and stiff.  The only u-joint I
could find locally was a non-greasable unit made by Borg-Warner($15). If
has a part # for a greasable u-joint please let me know for future
reference.  After re-assembling everything I cleaned out the CV's,
regreased them and installed on the car. I sort of assumed that the
drive-shaft would self-align and it did!  The car runs great. All in all
it was a simple procedure, just a pain to get the necassary parts.

Brendan Rudack			rudack@ucsub.Colorado.EDU
'88 90Q                         brudack@student.flint.umich.edu
Fenton, Michigan USA


From: Jad.Duncan@GAT.COM (Jad Duncan)
Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 15:47:41 -0800
Subject: Wagon info?

I have a friend who is a bit of a car buff, who now has a baby.  Alfa Spider 
is gone, so I suggested a Audi or MB wagon.  Are most of the Audi's 5 
speeds?  My understanding is that the 5kqt's were all 5 speeds, does this 
apply to wagons?  What about the non-q non-turbo?  Any other feedback on the 
wagons would also be appreciated as I tend to ignore info on wagons, 
minivans, etc.


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From: Peter Henriksen <peterhe@microsoft.com>
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 15:55:50 -0800
Subject: RE: '97 A4Q Squeaky Brakes Won't Stop!!

Or, as domestic manufacturers frequently put it, "They all do that." :-)
- - peter
  peterhe@microsoft.com - http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/1001
  91 200qw
  94 acura legend gs
  issaquah, wa, usa

>-----Original Message-----
>From:	merlin [SMTP:merlin@ameritech.net]
>Sent:	Tuesday, January 07, 1997 11:07 AM
>To:	'jay c lee'; quattro@coimbra.ans.net
>Subject:	RE: '97 A4Q Squeaky Brakes Won't Stop!!
>ya know...it just cracks me up when they say that...
>From: 	jay c lee[SMTP:jayclee@juno.com]
>Sent: 	Monday, January 06, 1997 4:12 PM
>To: 	quattro@coimbra.ans.net
>Subject: 	Re: '97 A4Q Squeaky Brakes Won't Stop!!
>My A4 has 11.7k on the odometer and the brakes have been squeaking for
>the past 7k.  The noise is especially loud when braking in reverse.  The
>dealer (Carlsen Audi) service guy said there wasn't anything they could
>do about it.  Let me know if you find a solution....


From: "M Tipton" <miktip@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 17:59:50 -0600
Subject: Re: Oil Filter Difference's, in general

You are catching on to the biggest "scam" in the auto industry!  That
is for dealers, and oil companies to "take" your money!  The industry
as a whole prays on people's fears, and lack of knowledge! 

The oil filter is made of different type of filtering media. That is
the filter inside the can can be made from paper(most common)
metalic(rare) or a combination of two or more type's of media!  Most
filters are made by a company contracted to fill an order from another
company(Fram, Deutsch, Perolator, Amsoil, etc...)
These companies make tens of thousands of filters and sell to anyone,
and put anyone's name on the can! 
The thing to do is go out and buy every different make of filter you
can find(BTDT)
Then cut each one open and compare the filter media! There you will
see the difference and the simularities!  There you will be able to
draw a conclusion!

Now the filter size plays an important role in its capacity to "clean"
and duration
of its service life!  Take a look at the filter on a VW diesel Golf!
There Huge!
Almost twice the size of a "normal" Golfs filter.  Why is this?  In
order to get
the filter to clean the oil enough, and long enough, the thing has to
be BIG enough.
The diesel motor makes oil very dirty, very quickly!

So why dont all cars come with a huge filter?  Here's the scam!  If
you filter the oil
too good, it doesnt have to be changed as often, nor does the filter,
and the motor will last longer!  This all equates to "Money" .  Money
spent to change that dirty oil
and filter at 3K at the dealer!  Now your new car has a bigger filter,
and oil is changed at 7.5K.  Bigger filter, less change, more
duration, better filtration!  Less cost? NO! Filter costs more to
offset that money the dealer has grown use to
from past filter changes!  Plus the synthetic oil costs 3 times as
much as conventional oil! If you think it doesnt add up, the auto
repair industry
(dealers) banked 16 billion in profit last year from changing oil!

How much was your last oil change at the dealership? 

Mine was $18 with 4 quarts Mobil 1 + filter!   


From: "Mein, Twain" <Twain.Mein@wellsfargo.com>
Date: Tue, 07 Jan 97 15:58:00 PST
Subject: The smell of buring oil (HELP)

So I drove the wagon to the dump this weekend. Of course, silly kid that I 
am, I drove through as much mud and water as possible. On the way home, at a 
stop light, I smelled burnt oil. It was faint but definitely present.

Since then (2 days, 100 miles) the problem is still vaguely there. It has 
never had this problem before. Any ideas? Otherwise, the car is running very 
strong (cold air seems to make the turbo perk up).

I am taking it in for a 90,000 mile check tomorrow to get this smell 
investigated and to get: brake fluid replaced, potentially new brake pads, 
smogged, tuned, *hopefully* get the speedo/odo fixed, and I think that's it. 
The broken light and faulty demist/washer will just have to wait!

Lord knows the piggy bank will take a beating of $1000.

Cheerfully we Audi (or is it Quattro only?) fans march forward to the 
drubbing of money flowing out...Maybe Bob is right....

200QTW '89


From: Dennis Ruffing <altia!dennisr@uucp-1.csn.net>
Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 17:14:28 -0700
Subject: Re: If it WASN'T a quattro...

Hey there,

Thought I'd de-lurk to put in my two Audi's worth on this fascinating 

As I have two 88 90's, one Q, one not, I get to ponder this question 
daily.  The short answer is:


If I had to do it all over again and the Q wasn't an option, I would 
still by my front wheeler 90.  At the time (coming up on 4 years with 
it), I could have bought any number of Japanese sedans- the 
Maximaccordamrys- and got an older car with many fewer options.  Having 
driven my fun little GTI for four years, I knew that a German car was 
just the trick.  For 7k at a dealership I purchased an education in 
mechanics and endurance.  Where else do you get leather, power, ABS, 
heated mirrors, powered sunroof, etc. etc. for 7k?  You don't!  Compare 
the price of a 91 200Q to a 92 Civic sometime...

To compare the two, one should address the categories that have been 
brought up:

Speed (performance?)
Status (we're all a little narcicistic with our Audis, are we not?)


I still love to look at my non-Q 90; it's modern and unique.  The best 
angle is from an elevated, rear-oriented side view.  Yes.  The first 
time it looked old was last September when I saw that first A4 at the 
dealership.  As an aside, the A4 was front to back with a new M3...  
Shame on me, but I thought the A4 looked better.  I'm very critical of  
automotive design, and consider the 3 series in the top 5 designs.  
Guess where the A4 and S6 fall...

The Q, however, looks better.  The wing cleans up the back end, the BBS 
rs wheels are growing on me, and the Tornado Red....  oh, when it's 
clean!  I bought it for my wife in June and everyone thought it was a 
new car. :^)

Speed (performance):
300 Pounds of drivetrain slows ya down.  Yup.  With another 30 or so HP 
(20v, anyone?) it would be zippy.  But it ain't fast.
The Non-Q IS zippy, and likes to run to the redline, even with 196k on 
the clock.  3rd is a fun gear.  Highways are fun.  Not FAST, but zippy 
enough.  Yes, 30 hp would really be fun with the non-Q

I'm sorry, but I will complain further here.  These I5's should have, 
non-aspirated, at least 150 hp and torque.  They just need a *little 
bit* more.  The gears are long enough and the engine is usable over the 
rpm range, but ooh, a little more...  My short runs with 90 Coupe 
Quattros- 20v, left me with mixed emotions.  Yup, they're faster, better 
looking, rare, (should I go on?) but there's *nuthin*, especially in 
Denver's thin air, below 3500 rpm.  Out of one and into my 10v and the 
10v feels more responsive, until the cams come on.  FWIW, one can 
double-clutch the 10v into 3rd at about 55-60 and enjoy engine-blowing 
pull and performance...

Ya know, the non-Q has great balance, little roll, and is great in high 
speed corners.  It is a car that handles quite well.  But use its 
zippiness out of a corner and you know it's front-wheel drive.

The Q.  Well, you all know what the Q is like, wet or dry.  I'll sum up 
this one by saying that I hope I never buy a non-Q again!

I'm one of those pompous jerks that says things like "Out of the way, 
fools, an Audi is coming!"  I enjoy driving and these cars are meant for 
driving.  The Non-Q has put a smug look on my face for four years, and I 
still scoff at those driving high end japanese (Lexus?  Acura?) when 
they could own such a fine car for a third the cost.  Of course, I make 
up the difference in sacrifices to the Audi gods...

The only time I feel low is when I pull up next to another fine Audi and 
I'm not in the Q.  I feel like I'm a Q wanna-be.  God, I need help.


The Q makes it fun to simply leave a stoplight.  You FEEL the quattro 
driveline. I love that.

Well,  the horse has been beaten.

Oh, btw, My wife tripped 100k miles on the Q today.  I should pass 200k 
miles on my non-Q in another month.

All I worry about is the damned suspension bushings and all the wiring. 
 The engine, clutch, body and exhaust are permanent.  I like these cars!



- -- 
Dennis M. Ruffing, Altia, Inc.  
dennisr@altia.com,  http://www.altia.com
~~~~~ Put a smile on your face.  Drive a Quattro. ~~~~~


From: Hulda Jowett <hjowett@nasc.mass.edu>
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 19:35:37 -0500 (EST)
Subject: 91' 200 20V wagon mods?

Hey everyone,

A friend of mine recently picked up a 91 200 20V wagon w/ a blown turbo 
(149k) for $2700! He did all the usual maint. (he's a VW/Audi master 
tech). Since it needed a new Turbo, he installed a larger one, along 
with some Schrick cams. With the chip and wastgate spring, he's getting 
2.1 bar and some 340hp. Anyone care to comment on the reliability of this 
set-up? I've seen metion of hoses blowing and such with the higher boost 




From: Mark Nelson <mnelson@brls.com>
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 17:03:09 -0800
Subject: RE:Kemco needs a Quattro

Sport Quattro definitely!!  That was the ultimate rally car (600HP) in
1986.  What other cars are in the game, is the Porsche a Carrera 4 or
new Turbo, a 959 (used in the Paris-Dakar and Pharaonen Rally), the
1984-86 4wd 911 driven by S. Al Hajri.  What's the name of the game?

- -Mark Nelson
'87 5KTQ
'91 CQ


From: loren01@ix.netcom.com (Scott Bermes)
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 17:11:58 -0800
Subject: Ordering an A6QW

Does anybody know if the dealers are as "accomodating" to ordering a 
wagon?  From reading everybody's posts, ordering an A4 seems fairly 
common, although it's sounds like it's not a great experience!

I recently lost out on a great deal on a '96 A6QW with 7k on it.  The 

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