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quattro-digest Sunday, 19 January 1997 Volume 04 : Number 119 * * Welcome to the digest version of the quattro list. * See the end of the digest for unsubscribe info. * In this issue: Re: Windshield stuff, gas? V8 Wood Dash Trim Re: Audi introduces the new coupe Re: Service bulletin on A/C programmer Re: temp guage Re: 200q oil temp That domain name does not exist. EDL's-The short course Re: Windshield stuff, gas? Re: Windshield stuff, gas? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bernie Strub <bstrub@silverlink.net> Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 20:30:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Windshield stuff, gas? "Meron" sed: >>and they now have 130/100 watt outers with stock inners. I don't have >I have been reading continuously from all of you "high wattage fans" and do >not yet understand this infatuation with high watt bulbs, the effectiveness >of the light in much more connected to the >SHAPE< of the prism and it's >>LOCATIO< than it is to high wattage, you are not improving the light (by >much), you are mostly causing discomfort to other drivers on the road >(using those ungodly powerful bulbs!!!!!), regardless of how well you >lights are aimed!!!!!!!!!!! >Why not just do a side by side comparison 55-60 versos 130-100 and maybe >you will see that it is NOT much of an improvement!!!! I guess it is my turn to enter the fray. My qualifications to comment are that in September, I installed the single-bulb "euro" type lights in my 87 4kq, replacing the stock US spec housings and bulbs. I upgraded the wiring, installed relays, and put in 80/100w H4 bulbs. The differences before and after are *quite* noticeable. 1) The sharp beam cutoff on low beam allows a lot of light to be accurately placed on the road, without interfering with the vision of other drivers. 2) The upgraded wiring allows (nearly) all of the voltage to reach the bulbs. When I cut into the stock harness, I was rather shocked to discover the gauge of the wire, to be generous, *might* be 20 ga. Mine is now 10 ga. 3) The color, and covering power of the light is significantly improved. I attribute this to a >50% increase in the wattage (and thus candlepower output) of the bulbs. Mr. Meron is internally inconsistant with his statement above. He first states that the difference is in light beam control, then says that additional wattage only blinds other drivers. If the beam is controlled, and the wattage is increased, the pattern on the road will become brighter. This higher candlepower will not somehow leak out and attack other drivers. Poor beam pattern control (or, ghod help us, poor aim) will result in blinding other drivers. Agreed, if you add in higher wattage bulbs, this will be exacerbated, BUT the hi-watt bulbs do not cause the problem. One only has to look at an oncoming recent Ford SUV to know that legal wattage can blind other drivers, due to poor pattern. It would seem that there is a great deal of confusion about wattage and pattern. If *I'm* not confused, the wattage does not change the location (direction, whatever) of the light coming out of your headlights, just the color/brightness. The _location_ of where all this light goes is affected by the geometryfluting, and aim of the headlight units. >Nomex on, flame me all you want!!!! (I am dead anyway, since I don't buy >into this synthetic oil religion we have on the list!). I don't buy your martyred attitude with this. There is no religion here, only diverging opinions. You are not the only person to put non-synthetic oil in their Audi. Perhaps if you were a bit less melodramatic, and more rooted in the facts of your arguments, the responses you get would be more reasoned as well. >Avi Meron >86 5Kcstq PS If you propose to "love" everyone on this list, my definition and usage of the word "love" is _much_ different than yours...BTW, there is nothing in this post intended as a flame, merely reasoned discussion, or commentary... >>>>>Bernie 87 4kcsq alpine white/light grey cloth QCUSA #1765 Member #47 NW Region AQC ------------------------------ From: Roland Broberg <broberg@cpg.mcw.edu> Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 22:33:28 -0800 Subject: V8 Wood Dash Trim Looking for one piece of wood dash trim for 90V8, left of steering wheel (US) that the air vent passes through. Probably same piece as used in 200. Mine is cracked. Check your parts bins. Roland Broberg Delafield, Wisconsin 414-646-8084 Home 414-257-5090 Work ------------------------------ From: "Graydon D. Stuckey" <graydon@apollo.gmi.edu> Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 23:36:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Audi introduces the new coupe On Sat, 18 Jan 1997 ScharfR@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 97-01-18 20:37:01 EST, honge@creighton.edu (Psycho Bob) > writes: > > << The new coupe, based on the A3, will be introduced in the auto show later > this year. It looks VERY small -- the car, wheels, and everything. >> > > Gee, and I thought the A3 based Coupe was going to be the TT. Are you > talking about another A3 based Coupe? Yes, Autoweek reported last week that Audi will release an A3-based coupe In Geneva I think. Sounds to me like the obvious choice for a return to World Rally. It will be very small, and nimble probably. Later, ---------------------------------------------------------- Graydon D. Stuckey '85 Mazda RX7 GS, no toys graydon@apollo.gmi.edu '86 Audi 5000 CS Turbo Quattro, has toys Flint, Michigan USA '89 Thunderbird SC, lotsa toys ------------------------------ From: Leah Mueller <muellerl@cadvision.com> Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 21:41:04 -0600 Subject: Re: Service bulletin on A/C programmer Special thanks to you Gary who put up the service bulletin for down loading on his home page. It has been extremely helpful. David ------------------------------ From: QSHIPQ@aol.com Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 23:44:15 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: temp guage In a message dated 97-01-18 19:15:09 EST, you write: << What are the odds of a brand new multi-function sensor being bad? I purchased a new, re-designed three prong sensor to take the place of my intermittent 4 prong sensor. The new sensor was slow to rise, went up to 1/4 deflection, then died. I've checked the wiring for continuity and whenever I short the temp guage to ground I get full scale deflection, as expected. Is the problem likely to be in the sensor or in the ground from the engine block? BTW: two new Bentley electrical errors. One diagramming error; the sensor should show an internal connection to ground via the engine block/ground cable. The other, I'm not sure what it is. >> Joe The new three pronged connector has no ground, that is via block, sounds to me like that is your problem. I have tho, purchased brand new sensors that were bad, now I keep 2 on hand JIC.... MacGuyver would have you put the jumper cables from a good ground to something close to the sensor.... Bentley seems to to a great job until it's a critical and/or common component, then you find the errors... Swear once, carry on.... HTH Scott ------------------------------ From: QSHIPQ@aol.com Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 00:08:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: 200q oil temp In a message dated 97-01-18 22:00:39 EST, you write: << Mine also runs right at 80 degrees C during normal driving and hits 140-145 degrees C on track.. Are all of the 200q's set up wrong by AoA? Rega >> That means that the car is running low oil temp (tho I suspect audi guages), but I hope based on the second number, that you change the oil immediately. Sounds to me like the sensor is whacked, if not, the thermo might be, but that thing is dumber than a coolant one.... When I raced and saw 140C oil, the call went out for a oil change quickly.... Scott ------------------------------ From: MAILER-DAEMON@grolen.com Date: 19 Jan 1997 00:45:40 EDT Subject: That domain name does not exist. The domain 'summa4.com' is an invalid Internet domain name. Message was undeliverable. From: quattro@coimbra.ans.net To: marriott@summa4.com Date: 8 Jan 1997 01:23:56 EDT Subject: quattro-digest V4 #31 quattro-digest Tuesday, 7 January 1997 Volume 04 : Number 031 * * Welcome to the digest version of the quattro list. * See the end of the digest for unsubscribe info. * In this issue: Instrumentation [WAS: Re: Chips for 94 90csq] BMW center carrier bearing works! Wagon info? RE: '97 A4Q Squeaky Brakes Won't Stop!! Re: Oil Filter Difference's, in general The smell of buring oil (HELP) Re: If it WASN'T a quattro... 91' 200 20V wagon mods? RE:Kemco needs a Quattro Ordering an A6QW RE: Wagon info? Re: Cheap filters.... Re: Ignition wires Audi Motorsports Pocket Guide/Calendar Wheels for a 83 TQC turbo lifetime? Re: Cheap filters.... - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: quk@sievers.com (Phil Payne) Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 22:50:51 GMT Subject: Instrumentation [WAS: Re: Chips for 94 90csq] In message <199701070008.QAA08277@sled> steveb@falcon.kla.com (Steven Buchholz) writes: > Phil Payne writes: > > > I've always thought the quadrant gauge fitted to Daimler-Benzs a very > > professional instrument. Not obtrusive, and visible at a glance should you > > need it. > > > ... well there is a company that sells aviation [looking] quality gauges which > include a number of multi gauge units ... you could certainly fit one of these > in your car ... I hear that they are a bit pricey ... I've currently got an electrically-driven one languishing in the bottom of the driver's side cubby hole, down by the side of the steering column. _I_ can see it, no one else can. I'd like a digital one to match the orange display, but I'd much prefer one that wasn't dependent on the Audi sender. I'd like to fit a T-piece and use a second sender - the Audi jampot (jellypot?) has failed twice in 70,000 miles - once almost a thousand miles from home. - - -- Phil Payne phil@sievers.com Committee Member, UK Audi [ur-]quattro Owners Club - ------------------------------ From: Brendan Rudack <rudack@ucsub.Colorado.EDU> Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 16:35:53 -0700 (MST) Subject: BMW center carrier bearing works! Well folks, about a month after my poor baby broke it is all together again. With the help of Steve B. Bruce B. and Graydon S. my 90Q is running again with about $50 dollars of parts. I rebuilt my center drive-shaft (carrier bearing and u-joint only). The bearing was gotten through GPR and is BMW part# 26121209532. It is the bearing including the rubber surround and the mounting bracket as one piece, total cost $35. I successfully removed the bolt which holds the yoke to the foreshaft with a 17mm box end(this required removing the zerk grease fitting from u-joint) but found it too difficult to get the yoke off(no way to press/pry/hammer/pull etc.). With Graydon's help I took apart the u-joint and discovered it to be fairly "trashed" and stiff. The only u-joint I could find locally was a non-greasable unit made by Borg-Warner($15). If anyone has a part # for a greasable u-joint please let me know for future reference. After re-assembling everything I cleaned out the CV's, regreased them and installed on the car. I sort of assumed that the drive-shaft would self-align and it did! The car runs great. All in all it was a simple procedure, just a pain to get the necassary parts. Brendan Rudack rudack@ucsub.Colorado.EDU '88 90Q brudack@student.flint.umich.edu Fenton, Michigan USA - ------------------------------ From: Jad.Duncan@GAT.COM (Jad Duncan) Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 15:47:41 -0800 Subject: Wagon info? I have a friend who is a bit of a car buff, who now has a baby. Alfa Spider is gone, so I suggested a Audi or MB wagon. Are most of the Audi's 5 speeds? My understanding is that the 5kqt's were all 5 speeds, does this apply to wagons? What about the non-q non-turbo? Any other feedback on the wagons would also be appreciated as I tend to ignore info on wagons, minivans, etc. Jad 90q 914 2.0l ***************************************** *** Jad Duncan *********************** *** Contract Administrator ********** *** General Atomics ***************** *** (619) 455-4561 ******************* *** (619) 455-3545 fax *************** ***************************************** - ------------------------------ From: Peter Henriksen <peterhe@microsoft.com> Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 15:55:50 -0800 Subject: RE: '97 A4Q Squeaky Brakes Won't Stop!! Or, as domestic manufacturers frequently put it, "They all do that." :-) - - - peter peterhe@microsoft.com - http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/1001 91 200qw 94 acura legend gs issaquah, wa, usa >-----Original Message----- >From: merlin [SMTP:merlin@ameritech.net] >Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 1997 11:07 AM >To: 'jay c lee'; quattro@coimbra.ans.net >Subject: RE: '97 A4Q Squeaky Brakes Won't Stop!! > >ya know...it just cracks me up when they say that... > >---------- >From: jay c lee[SMTP:jayclee@juno.com] >Sent: Monday, January 06, 1997 4:12 PM >To: quattro@coimbra.ans.net >Subject: Re: '97 A4Q Squeaky Brakes Won't Stop!! > >My A4 has 11.7k on the odometer and the brakes have been squeaking for >the past 7k. The noise is especially loud when braking in reverse. The >dealer (Carlsen Audi) service guy said there wasn't anything they could >do about it. Let me know if you find a solution.... > >Jay > > > - ------------------------------ From: "M Tipton" <miktip@worldnet.att.net> Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 17:59:50 -0600 Subject: Re: Oil Filter Difference's, in general You are catching on to the biggest "scam" in the auto industry! That is for dealers, and oil companies to "take" your money! The industry as a whole prays on people's fears, and lack of knowledge! The oil filter is made of different type of filtering media. That is the filter inside the can can be made from paper(most common) metalic(rare) or a combination of two or more type's of media! Most filters are made by a company contracted to fill an order from another company(Fram, Deutsch, Perolator, Amsoil, etc...) These companies make tens of thousands of filters and sell to anyone, and put anyone's name on the can! The thing to do is go out and buy every different make of filter you can find(BTDT) Then cut each one open and compare the filter media! There you will see the difference and the simularities! There you will be able to draw a conclusion! Now the filter size plays an important role in its capacity to "clean" and duration of its service life! Take a look at the filter on a VW diesel Golf! There Huge! Almost twice the size of a "normal" Golfs filter. Why is this? In order to get the filter to clean the oil enough, and long enough, the thing has to be BIG enough. The diesel motor makes oil very dirty, very quickly! So why dont all cars come with a huge filter? Here's the scam! If you filter the oil too good, it doesnt have to be changed as often, nor does the filter, and the motor will last longer! This all equates to "Money" . Money spent to change that dirty oil and filter at 3K at the dealer! Now your new car has a bigger filter, and oil is changed at 7.5K. Bigger filter, less change, more duration, better filtration! Less cost? NO! Filter costs more to offset that money the dealer has grown use to from past filter changes! Plus the synthetic oil costs 3 times as much as conventional oil! If you think it doesnt add up, the auto repair industry (dealers) banked 16 billion in profit last year from changing oil! (maintenance) How much was your last oil change at the dealership? Mine was $18 with 4 quarts Mobil 1 + filter! M - ------------------------------ From: "Mein, Twain" <Twain.Mein@wellsfargo.com> Date: Tue, 07 Jan 97 15:58:00 PST Subject: The smell of buring oil (HELP) So I drove the wagon to the dump this weekend. Of course, silly kid that I am, I drove through as much mud and water as possible. On the way home, at a stop light, I smelled burnt oil. It was faint but definitely present. Since then (2 days, 100 miles) the problem is still vaguely there. It has never had this problem before. Any ideas? Otherwise, the car is running very strong (cold air seems to make the turbo perk up). I am taking it in for a 90,000 mile check tomorrow to get this smell investigated and to get: brake fluid replaced, potentially new brake pads, smogged, tuned, *hopefully* get the speedo/odo fixed, and I think that's it. The broken light and faulty demist/washer will just have to wait! Lord knows the piggy bank will take a beating of $1000. Cheerfully we Audi (or is it Quattro only?) fans march forward to the drubbing of money flowing out...Maybe Bob is right.... -Twain 200QTW '89 http://www.concentric.net/~meint/pages/audi.htm - ------------------------------ From: Dennis Ruffing <altia!dennisr@uucp-1.csn.net> Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 17:14:28 -0700 Subject: Re: If it WASN'T a quattro... Hey there, Thought I'd de-lurk to put in my two Audi's worth on this fascinating subject. As I have two 88 90's, one Q, one not, I get to ponder this question daily. The short answer is: Yes. If I had to do it all over again and the Q wasn't an option, I would still by my front wheeler 90. At the time (coming up on 4 years with it), I could have bought any number of Japanese sedans- the Maximaccordamrys- and got an older car with many fewer options. Having driven my fun little GTI for four years, I knew that a German car was just the trick. For 7k at a dealership I purchased an education in mechanics and endurance. Where else do you get leather, power, ABS, heated mirrors, powered sunroof, etc. etc. for 7k? You don't! Compare the price of a 91 200Q to a 92 Civic sometime... To compare the two, one should address the categories that have been brought up: Looks Speed (performance?) Handling Status (we're all a little narcicistic with our Audis, are we not?) Driveability Looks: I still love to look at my non-Q 90; it's modern and unique. The best angle is from an elevated, rear-oriented side view. Yes. The first time it looked old was last September when I saw that first A4 at the dealership. As an aside, the A4 was front to back with a new M3... Shame on me, but I thought the A4 looked better. I'm very critical of automotive design, and consider the 3 series in the top 5 designs. Guess where the A4 and S6 fall... The Q, however, looks better. The wing cleans up the back end, the BBS rs wheels are growing on me, and the Tornado Red.... oh, when it's clean! I bought it for my wife in June and everyone thought it was a new car. :^) Speed (performance): 300 Pounds of drivetrain slows ya down. Yup. With another 30 or so HP (20v, anyone?) it would be zippy. But it ain't fast. The Non-Q IS zippy, and likes to run to the redline, even with 196k on the clock. 3rd is a fun gear. Highways are fun. Not FAST, but zippy enough. Yes, 30 hp would really be fun with the non-Q I'm sorry, but I will complain further here. These I5's should have, non-aspirated, at least 150 hp and torque. They just need a *little bit* more. The gears are long enough and the engine is usable over the rpm range, but ooh, a little more... My short runs with 90 Coupe Quattros- 20v, left me with mixed emotions. Yup, they're faster, better looking, rare, (should I go on?) but there's *nuthin*, especially in Denver's thin air, below 3500 rpm. Out of one and into my 10v and the 10v feels more responsive, until the cams come on. FWIW, one can double-clutch the 10v into 3rd at about 55-60 and enjoy engine-blowing pull and performance... Handling: Ya know, the non-Q has great balance, little roll, and is great in high speed corners. It is a car that handles quite well. But use its zippiness out of a corner and you know it's front-wheel drive. The Q. Well, you all know what the Q is like, wet or dry. I'll sum up this one by saying that I hope I never buy a non-Q again! Status: I'm one of those pompous jerks that says things like "Out of the way, fools, an Audi is coming!" I enjoy driving and these cars are meant for driving. The Non-Q has put a smug look on my face for four years, and I still scoff at those driving high end japanese (Lexus? Acura?) when they could own such a fine car for a third the cost. Of course, I make up the difference in sacrifices to the Audi gods... The only time I feel low is when I pull up next to another fine Audi and I'm not in the Q. I feel like I'm a Q wanna-be. God, I need help. Driveability: The Q makes it fun to simply leave a stoplight. You FEEL the quattro driveline. I love that. Well, the horse has been beaten. Oh, btw, My wife tripped 100k miles on the Q today. I should pass 200k miles on my non-Q in another month. All I worry about is the damned suspension bushings and all the wiring. The engine, clutch, body and exhaust are permanent. I like these cars! Audieux, Dennis - - -- Dennis M. Ruffing, Altia, Inc. 719-598-4299 dennisr@altia.com, http://www.altia.com ~~~~~ Put a smile on your face. Drive a Quattro. ~~~~~ - ------------------------------ From: Hulda Jowett <hjowett@nasc.mass.edu> Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 19:35:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: 91' 200 20V wagon mods? Hey everyone, A friend of mine recently picked up a 91 200 20V wagon w/ a blown turbo (149k) for $2700! He did all the usual maint. (he's a VW/Audi master tech). Since it needed a new Turbo, he installed a larger one, along with some Schrick cams. With the chip and wastgate spring, he's getting 2.1 bar and some 340hp. Anyone care to comment on the reliability of this set-up? I've seen metion of hoses blowing and such with the higher boost levels. Thanks Brian - ------------------------------ From: Mark Nelson <mnelson@brls.com> Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 17:03:09 -0800 Subject: RE:Kemco needs a Quattro Sport Quattro definitely!! That was the ultimate rally car (600HP) in 1986. What other cars are in the game, is the Porsche a Carrera 4 or new Turbo, a 959 (used in the Paris-Dakar and Pharaonen Rally), the 1984-86 4wd 911 driven by S. Al Hajri. What's the name of the game? - - -Mark Nelson mnelson@blrs.com '87 5KTQ '91 CQ - ------------------------------ From: loren01@ix.netcom.com (Scott Bermes) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 17:11:58 -0800 Subject: Ordering an A6QW Does anybody know if the dealers are as "accomodating" to ordering a wagon? From reading everybody's posts, ordering an A4 seems fairly common, although it's sounds like it's not a great experience! I recently lost out on a great deal on a '96 A6QW with 7k on it. The <<< Continued to next message >>> ------------------------------ From: ScharfR@aol.com Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 01:07:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: EDL's-The short course dmiller@iea.com asked, "EDLs - what are they?" EDL is simply Audi's name for a form of brake-intervention traction control. It uses much of the controller and hardware of the ABS system to cycle the brake on a powered wheel when wheel spin is detected on that wheel. It's a low-speed only system (to avoid overheating the brakes). Here is the short course on EDL. The front and rear differentials (conventional open designs) do not physically "lock." As you probably know, an open diff will always divide torque (NOT rpm) evenly between the two output shafts. When one wheel spins due to near-zero traction, it is transmitting near-zero torque. The non-spinning wheel on the same axle has the same near-zero torque applied to its half shaft, but that isn't even enough to rotate the wheel. Hence, on most 2WD cars, if you spin one wheel you go nowhere (same will happen on many 4WD vehicles, or a first-generation quattro if no diff locks are applied). EDL selectively applies the brake to the spinning wheel, thereby increasing the torque necessary to continue powering that wheel's output shaft. The same increased torque is applied to the other output shaft and Viola! you can transmit enough torque to the wheel with better traction to achieve drive-away. As you observed in your driveway test, this would be accomplished with one wheel still spinning (albeit not wildly out of control) and the other wheel on the same axle providing the drive-away capability. The system will continue to cycle the brake on the wheel with least traction until the rpm delta between the two wheels on that axle is reduced below the triggering threshold (or until a road speed of ca. 25 mph is attained). EDL can also switch the brake-cycling from side-to-side in cases where you are driving off on extremely variable surfaces. It's pretty elegant engineering, in that you gain quite a lot of functional capability with only a very minor cost and developemnt penalty over the price of a contemporary ABS system On today's front drive Audis, EDL applies to the front wheels only. On the quattros it applies to the front and rear. In combination with the Torsen center differential, a modern quattro can distribute drive torque from side-to-side at both the front and rear axles (at low speeds), and front-to-rear over the entire speed range. As an aside, there is no fundamental difference in the performance of Audi's EDL system and that used by VW on the VR6-equipped GTI/Jetta/Passat models, or by Volvo on the 850 (and by a number of other cars). In addition, the _new_ Mercedes-Benz 4-Matic system will use an essentially similar EDL capability without, however, a torsen center differential. ------------------------------ From: ScharfR@aol.com Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 01:07:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Windshield stuff, gas? In a message dated 97-01-18 04:30:29 EST, quk@sievers.com (Phil Payne) writes: << Does anyone have an Audi with headlight _wipers_? >> As far as I can recall, that type of system was limited to the V8 quattros. ------------------------------ From: "Meron" <phwomp@cosmoslink.net> Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 22:54:12 -0800 Subject: Re: Windshield stuff, gas? Lighten up Bernie, Try to take life a bit easier, your comments were "way too heavy" if you have a difficulty with a bit a humor thats too bad!!!!! Half your comments don't deserve an answer because you went too far!!! the other ones I will be happy to comment on, please don't get too excited, will you please LIGHTEN UP!!!!!! Now lets go to your sensible comments Comment # 1: >My qualifications to comment are >that in September, I installed the single-bulb "euro" type lights in my 87 >4kq, replacing the stock US spec housings and bulbs. I upgraded the wiring, >installed relays, and put in 80/100w H4 bulbs. The differences before and >after are *quite* noticeable. Answer: Congratulation, I believe you, I am not there to judge it, all I am telling you is to try a 55/60 watt bulb, try it side by side and you might discover that >extra wattage does not equate more light< that is my point!!!!!! Comment # 2: >The upgraded wiring allows (nearly) all of the voltage to reach the >bulbs. When I cut into the stock harness, I was rather shocked to discover >the gauge of the wire, to be generous, *might* be 20 ga. Mine is now 10 ga. >3) The color, and covering power of the light is significantly improved. >I attribute this to a >50% increase in the wattage (and thus candlepower >output) of the bulbs. Answer: Totally irrelevant to my point, if you comment on my post, restrict yourself to the subject. Comment # 3: >Mr. Meron is internally inconsistent with his statement above. He first >states that the difference is in light beam control, Answer: when I refer to light beam control, I mean the design and the shape of the prism, you just don't stick a higher watt bulb and think that because you have increased wattage you have a better light, prisms are designed to accommodate a specific bulb size, admittedly some times if the bulb (to begin with) is under size you might get a small improvement, but most of the time (with very few exceptions) IT IS NOT THE CASE! Comment # 4: >then says that >additional wattage only blinds other drivers. If the beam is controlled, >and the wattage is increased, the pattern on the road will become brighter Answer: Bernie, Bernie, what am I going to do with you......... do you always drive around with the same amount of fuel, do you ever carry anything in your Q? do you ever have any passengers? did you aim your lights the PROPER way, do you ever go over speed bumps and on, and on, every time one of the factors above is not in optimum condition you are sticking your high power beam in the face of other drivers!!!!!!! that is not nice Bernie, if you will check and see, may be you will blind the other drivers with only 55/60 watt? Comment # 4: >The _location_ of where all this light goes is affected >by the geometryfluting, and aim of the headlight units. Answer: Very good Bernie, I agree 100% Comment # 5: >I don't buy your martyred attitude with this. Answer: One of your comments Brnie that absolutely does not warrant an answer, please see beginning of post. Comment # 6: >BTW, there is nothing in >this post intended as a flame, merely reasoned discussion, or commentary Answer: Bernie listen to your post, read what you write!!!!!!! yes it was a flame and a bad one at that!!!!!! you must be the type of person that shoot somebody in the heart and than asks "I hope this did not hurt" "I did not mean to kill you" merely have a discussion with you!!!! This end this discussion, behave yourself Bernie or I will have to end my post with love to everybody excluding Bernie!! Still love everybody INCLUDING Bernie (that has not been very nice to me lately). Avi Meron 86 5Kcstq with lousy headlights and awesome auxiliary lights, with many high wattage bulbs from past use (many $ spent on very spendy bulbs) ------------------------------ End of quattro-digest V4 #119 ***************************** * * To unsubscribe, mail to majordomo@coimbra.ans.net and in the body of * your note, say: * unsubscribe quattro-digest * Questions, comments to quattro-owner@coimbra.ans.net
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