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quattro-digest            Friday, 24 January 1997      Volume 04 : Number 154

*  Welcome to the digest version of the quattro list.
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*  In this issue:
Bentley Manual
Re: Activa
Re: Engine aka question
Re: tire value:  attn gurus
Re: Oil Stuff
Re: horse glue
Re: Add-on HID Lites
Oil Stuff
Audi Motorsports Books - On the way (long)
Re: Lights in bumper...
Trip out. (most likely not very interesting)
Recommendations for '90 90 muffler replacement?
FS:front marker lights for 80/90/CQ
Re: What are my choices?
Re: What are my choices?
Dead Horses
Re: '85 parts car for my "new" GT Coupe
Re: 5KCSTQ - Idle Stabilizer Valve
5000 headliner
Re: Oil temp/voltage gauges
Corroded Wheels!??


From: jmonetti@us.net (Jonathan Monetti)
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 01:07:13
Subject: Bentley Manual

I wanted to ask--I bought the Bentley Manual, and incomparing it to the RB for my old 
85 Scirocco, found the Audi manual *much* more cryptic.  The VW RB has all info I 
could need, but is writtin in plain english and laid out clearly.  The Audi manual, 

Does anyone know of a more concise manual for troubleshooting purposes?  



From: ScharfR@aol.com
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 01:42:05 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Activa

In a message dated 97-01-22 12:39:29 EST, you write:

<< Is this a TRUE active suspension? >>

Not by your stated definition.  My recollection is that it actively, and
quickly, switches between two hydraulic circuits which control damping and
spring rate.  It is active in responding with spring and damping rates
appropriate to changing road conditions, but it is still a passive victim of
what ever the road throws at it.


From: ScottyCBoy@aol.com
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 01:47:40 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Engine aka question

The S4 and S6 engine code is AAN...



From: Mark Badger <mark@steinberg.net>
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 22:48:34 -0800
Subject: Re: tire value:  attn gurus

> Is the advantage of the 16-45 (whether SP or AVS (Pat M?) or whatever)
> going to be that great over the 15-50 D40?

NO !

get the 15-50 size.


1. you'll get a better ride.
2. the grip difference will be minimal.
3. the tires will be less prone to blowing out on pot-hole edges (etc).
4. you'll save your dollars for other expenses.



From: "Psychotic Don't-you-dare-tickle-me Elmo" <honge@creighton.edu>
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 01:23:27 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: Oil Stuff

>>He is living in the 1950's.  ALL multi-viscosity oils offer 
>>better protection against oil breakdown, and in the unfortunate event 

>Please send your multi viscosity oil (after app. 1000 miles) to an oil
>analysis test (independent laboratory) and this is what you will find out:
>YOUR OIL IS SINGLE GRADE, surprise, surprise, surprise......(true also for
>std. oils)

Avi, I think you need to put out some technical details here and there to
put some credibility behind your reply. What's viscosity modifiers (and
other good stuffs they mix in with engine oil)? How long do they last in
conventional oil? In synthetic oil? What do the data you've collected
suggest? What will Clinton do in the next 4 years?

- ------------- clip here with virtual scissors --------------
Send any interesting roadkills to honge@creighton.edu!
Keyboard stuck error. Press F1 to continue.
Fax (402) 593-8975
Just say "Your lights are on" to DRLs


From: "Psychotic Don't-you-dare-tickle-me Elmo" <honge@creighton.edu>
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 01:25:12 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: horse glue

>>Actually the Euro's are Homofocals and Not true Parabolics.

>Hey, lets not categorize our european friends in this manner
>and try to be a bit more open to those with alternative filament

I'm hetero-oriented. Very traditional.

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Keyboard stuck error. Press F1 to continue.
Fax (402) 593-8975
Just say "Your lights are on" to DRLs


From: STEADIRIC@aol.com
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 05:29:49 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Add-on HID Lites

>At the risk of being accused of encouraging the long lighting discussion, I
>note that my Jaunary 30, 1997 Autoweek back cover has an advert for KC
>HiLites HID add-ons.
>"The only high intensity discharge lighting available for immediate
>shipment.  900,000 candlepower - 50 watt & 600,000 candlepower - 35 watt
>models now in stock. Rolex 24 at Daytona Competitors KC HID Lights are _In
>Stock_ - You Can Have These Lights Tomorrow.  We'll Pay FED-EX Costs.

Ran the, last year at Sebring.... AWSOME Light.

>The drawing shows a typical add-on type round light, with internals
>revealing definitely non-standard electrical bits, including the black box
>full of circuits.
>My guess is that these are somewhat spendy, but they must have some
>confidence in their reliability if they are offering them to race teams of
>this caliber...

Very Spendy.... and MUCH More Reliable than Tungsten Halagon hulbs 
because there is NO filiment to break.


Eric Fletcher S.O.C.
St. Louis, MO



From: Phil Payne <quk@sievers.com>
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 09:26:55 GMT
Subject: Oil Stuff

In message <Pine.HPP.3.95.970124010748.27673A-100000@bluejay.creighton.edu> "Psychotic Don't-you-dare-tickle-me Elmo" writes:

> What will Clinton do in the next 4 years?

Buy an '83 urq and fit Euros?

Get out of Troopergate with an unblemished reputation?
(And before you laugh - which of the above is more likely?)

- --
 Phil Payne
 Committee Member, UK Audi [ur-]quattro Owners Club


From: ScharfR@aol.com
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 06:13:00 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Audi Motorsports Books - On the way (long)

Sorry to address this to the list in general, but I can kill about 50 birds
with one E-mail this way, and which of us isn't just a little bit lazy?  To
all of you who responded to my original posting on 7 January of this year,
the Audi Motorsports Pocket Guide Books are on the way.  Through indolence
and preoccupation (rather, occupation) I was only able to get them all
wrapped up and sent off today.  But they are finally in the mail.  Those of
you who ordered from the Old Country will be pleased to know that postage was
sufficiently modest to permit my sticking to the original terms, resulting in
the same price world wide, albeit with decidedly slower delivery across the
ocean. Those ordering from the New World should expect delivery to take about
a week, given the slow pace of fourth-class book-rate mail (necessary to
prevent my running a deficit). Thanks to all who ordered.

I admire the self-restraint practiced by all of you who responded and asked
for only "one or two, if there are any left." Such a display of civility and
deference wasn't really necessary.  (Besides, who _else_ practices
self-restraint and good manners among an anonyous group like this?)  Those of
you who were insufficiently greedy the first time around now have permission
to be completely churlish in satisfying your desire for any additional
quantity, however unseemly. And if you have only a vague recollection of the
original offer, but intended to request a book, or books, now is your chance.
 Below, I have repeated the details once again (begging the indulgence of
those who pay by the minute).  Even if you have _no_ recollection of the
original post, you _still_ have a chance to order. Operators are standing

<<<<  Text of original post >>>>

At the risk of raising the ire of those who detest intemet and/or list
advertising, here is an ad of sorts. (I did consult Dan the listmeister on
the propriety of this offer. If you still object, please let me know in a
private E-mail rather than start another pointless series of list-clogging

Through a business contact (friend of a friend of a friend...) I have come
across a number of outdated 1996 Audi Motorsports Pocket Guide/Calendars.
These are small, pocket-size books with 320 pages, divided into several

> Information on the teams, drivers and series in which Audi competed in
1996. Includes driver profiles, description of each circuit, and plenty of
color photos; ca 130 pages.
> A small historical section on the 1935 Auto Union racing season, B/W
pictures; ca 10 pages.
> A 1996 planner/calendar (out of date now); ca. 60 pages
> A season-by-season review of _every_ year of racing quattros from
1981-1995, including: a photo and technical description of every racing
version from the urquattro to the A4 quattro Super Touring cars; the
race-by-race results for every rally and race the factory works team entered
from 1981-1995; and plenty of color pictures of people, cars and circuits; ca
120 pages.

The books measure 5 1/2" x 4" x 1/2". They are in English, soft bound with a
plastic (greasy-finger-resistant) cover. It's just the thing to settle
obscure bar room arguments (For example, using this book, I was able to prove
Steadiric's racing recollections wrong. Think how proud that would make _you_
feel!) Every Audi-nut needs at least one. Here's the deal. I will offer these
at the near-zero profit price of $3.00, including shipping, to U.S. or
Canadian addresses. If you want more than one, the additional copies will be
$1.50 each, if sent to the same address, at the same time. The price to list
members in other countries will be structured similarly, I simply want to
cover my costs for mailing and packaging.  << New text: Same prices, world
wide. >>


Excuse that outburst, but if you want one, simply E-mail me directly with the
quantity you want. Make sure that you include your name and shipping address.
Iíll send them off and you pay when you get them.

Now we return to our regular, noncommercial, broadcast.


From: AUDIDUDI@delphi.com
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 06:27:13 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Lights in bumper...

>  > Jeff Goggin discovered that the fogs in the new Camaro have 
>  > exactly the  right size AND ANGLE to fit in the turn signal 
>  > opening of the  5000/100/200 cars! 
> Great, but then what do you do for turn signals?

Add a second bulb to the sidemarker lights ... alas, this won't work on the
turbo sidemarker lights.  Yet another reason why I am working on converting
my 200q over to quad 5-3/4" rounds...

     _             _             
    / l       l o l  \       l o   Jeffrey Goggin
   /__l l l / l l l  l l l / l l   AudiDudi@delphi.com
  /   l l_l \_l l l__/ l_l \_l l   http://people.delphi.com/AudiDudi            


From: Mike <mike@padd.press.net>
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 11:31:47 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Trip out. (most likely not very interesting)

I took my car for what is most likely longest trip I have used it for so 
far at a *mere* 305 miles yesterday. (The place being some Hotel on the 
road between Northampton and Kettering).
Anyway I took someone with me, and I drove down there quite steady, 
mainly due to the traffic on the M1 (thats a 200+ mile rolling car park 
if your not from the uk ;-) ) and the fact it was misty and pis#ing it 
down with rain. I dont think I did over 90 mph.
On the way back, being the end of the day, and just wanting to get home, 
it was a different matter.
The guy in the car with me, commented on how well the car pulled in 5th 
from 70-80mph...... ah, I said, you should see how much better it is once 
the Turbo's spinning, which I consequentlly did at around 90 and 110. 
Mmmmm he says, its pulls better at 110 than it does at 90 :-)
Its also quite good at winding up the "I've got a company BMW xyz" 
drivers, when they suddenly find that their pride and joy is not quite as 
fast as they thought it was.
Anyway I got home, and my average mpg was 26.4, so I don't think I did 
too bad.

Take care

Michael Burton
Systems Administrator, PA Data Design
4 Wheels - Audi Quattro - 88 Model	UK Audi Quattro Owners Club
2 Wheels - Suzuki RG500 - 88 Model	Might be able to insure it one day
4 Legs   - A raving *nutter* horse	Just on Loan
2 Legs   - Shanks Pony                  Last resort


From: RELAYER@aol.com
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 07:33:39 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Recommendations for '90 90 muffler replacement?

Sure sounds like my front muffler is going out on the 90....which of course
is the harder one to replace!
So, can anyone recommend a replacement brand that isn't expensive--i'm not
looking for a sport muffler since the 90 will hopefully be for sale in early
1998 to help me buy an A4.


                    /\        _I             Christian J. Long
                  /    \ I_I I_I I           Orlando, Florida, USA
                                             University of Central Florida
Class of 1994
1990 Coupe Quattro    Red/Black, K&N cone, BBS wheels, 80K          
1990 90                     Gold/Tan, 70K, LOOKING FOR REAR WING SPOILER
Past Audis:
'80 5KT  '84 Coupe GT  '85 Coupe GT  '87 Coupe GT2.3  '875KCST(was Dad's)  


From: RELAYER@aol.com
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 07:33:38 -0500 (EST)
Subject: FS:front marker lights for 80/90/CQ

Well, I just replaced my front marker lights with some Euro clear lenses
(which look just wonderful!)....so now i'm left with 2 perfectly good amber
marker lights.

So, if anyone needs a pair email me directly, so as not to waste bandwidth,
and make me an offer.

                    /\        _I             Christian J. Long
                  /    \ I_I I_I I           Orlando, Florida, USA
                                             University of Central Florida
Class of 1994
1990 Coupe Quattro    Red/Black, K&N cone, BBS wheels, 80K          
1990 90                     Gold/Tan, 70K, LOOKING FOR REAR WING SPOILER
Past Audis:
'80 5KT  '84 Coupe GT  '85 Coupe GT  '87 Coupe GT2.3  '875KCST(was Dad's)  


From: ScharfR@aol.com
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 07:39:29 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: What are my choices?

In a message dated 97-01-24 01:45:00 EST, IDuff@charter.com (Duff, Ian)

<< What model years offered a 5 speed quattro wagon with seats in the way
 back? I lust after a nice '95 S6 Avant, but I fear the price asked would
 be stratospheric were one even available. >>

Within the U.S. market, the only Audi wagon that meets your criteria: 1)
all-wheel drive,  2) manual transmission,  3)  5+2 seating, would be an S6
wagon from the 1995 model year.

The new Swedish brick (model year 1998 V70) might also meet all of these
criteria when the AWD versions are released this summer.


From: Shaun Mullen <smullen@philly.infi.net>
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 08:09:28 -0800
Subject: Re: What are my choices?

Duff, Ian wrote:
> . . . Audi is our first choice, however, she is also considering
> one of those Swedish Bricks. Not a *bad* car, mind you, just no quattro.

At the risk of committing q-list hersesy, note that the AWD Volvo wagon
is skedded for late March-early April delivery in the states.  I have
heard it will be offered in a five-speed.  I also have heard that it
will only be offered with a slushbox.  The missus might check your local
Volvo dealer to see what kind of tranny is being offered.


From: QSHIPQ@aol.com
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 08:22:52 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Dead Horses

Please be advised that I consider the posts on lighting to this list dead.  A
member of this list seems to want to muddy the waters, and disrupt quests for
the facts.  So be it, the loss of availble information hardly mine as the
file thickens.  For those interested in exploring available technologies,
facts and following upgrades and tweeks can privately post me.  As Huw once
put it in a post to me, "signal can become noise quickly," well lets unplug
the radio.  My motivation is signal, others noise.  So be the open forum in
which we prose. 

This list, by definition, Dan's in fact, is unmoderated.  I parphrase "One
has a right to post whatever, and it is documented and author copywrited, all
posts available for others to see."  The first part in reference to this
subject has been certainly addressed, though my assumption is always the
second part being a protection from abusing the first.  Not so the case here.
 To avoid anymore trying of Dan's patience to the Rules of Engagement (self
rule), the lighting thread to the list from this author is now dead.

My posts are documented here with the intentions of sharing information I
have learned on q related topics, to get as much input as possible to correct
my errors and omissions.  However, my background includes statistical
analysis and 21 years with dad, Yale Professor (the late John W., ex dean of
Engineering: Yale and UofF) who really taught me to question everything
"experts" stated, it was his way.  Learn from the exercise and your desire
for knowledge.  Work and in q's, it's my job and my passion, the latter
documented here for 3 years.

Watching this particular thread with some interest, the noise here sometimes
becomes deafening, facts buried amongst the "ruined."  Unfortunately for me,
prose is harder to convey my messge in context, it tends to invoke the rising
of ego, not my quest, nor intention.   I don't appreciate wasted bandwidth,
when the summary could be a page.  The antethis are one liner posts that also
waste bandwidth, and frustrate any who have tried a search engine on posts.
 I do put my balls on the line here.  The reality of awd post comes to mind.
 Willing to discuss the specifics of the conclusions I draw with anyone,
trying to keep ego at bay.  Wrong, buzzers, slams, and resume recitals really
prevents the intimidated from any desire to share information, the fear of
slams ever present.  Information stifled in deference to ego.  Not a great
future in this direction, I see it all the time on some other lists, not

Knowledge is a powerful tool, you can build something with it, or destroy
with it.  I propose the former, the latter a dark trait of ego.  

my .02, arbitraged thru the peso

Scott Justusson



From: Glenn Lawton <lawtonglenn@gsmai.com>
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 08:27:31 -0600
Subject: Re: '85 parts car for my "new" GT Coupe

Jonathan Monetti wrote:
> ...85 coupe...significant differences...my 86 GT Coupe...
> ...was there an 85 coupe which was *not* a GT?




From: "Mark Pollan" <Mark.Pollan@MCI.Com>
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 08:50 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: 5KCSTQ - Idle Stabilizer Valve

I had two direct inquiries as to the cost of the ISV so there seems
to be an interest out there.  Here goes for any/all interested.

Linda's price=$120.02

I however am still looking for a part number on this item.  Anybody
with fiche or can somebody look under their hood?  I know that weather
permitting most of us are under the hood every day so while you're

Mark Pollan, 86 5KCSTQ 210K miles and stabilized?


From: jjwjr@ix.netcom.com (JEREMY J. WALTERS JR.)
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 05:54:02 -0800
Subject: 5000 headliner

Has anyone successfully replaced a headliner in a 5000?  Mine, as well 
as my dad's, is falling in the rear, from what I can see, the foam 
between the fabric and the board has disintegrated.  Re-glueing will 
not work.  I was wondering if I should have an upholstery shop do a new 
one, buy a dealer replacement $$$$, or try toremove one in a junkyard.  
It also seem that it would be difficult to remove in one piece, 
although my local dealer says it can be done through the right front 
Any help would be appreciated, as every 5000 with the cloth headliner 
seems to have this problem-the older hard headliners seem to stay well, 
but are probably noisier.

Jeremy Walters
San Ramon, CA


From: todd candey <tcandey@wwa.com>
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 08:13:56 -0800
Subject: Re: Oil temp/voltage gauges

J. Smethers wrote:
> Audi'tes,
> I took advantage of the mild weather today to replace some bulbs in the car.
> The cluster now has lights, greatly improving my nighttime speeding (ah, I
> mean driving).  On another note, I replaced the two small lights in back of
> the diff/volt/oil temp panel assuming that this is why I cannot read the
> volts or oil temp and also why the two diff. lights never come on.  Nothing
> changed, no lights at all.
> Does anyone have any tips for repairing this problem?  Is the PCB replaceable?

Jeff, As far as the dash illumination not coming back on, I can't really 
say... However I would like to add that the 2 green lights for the diff 
locks not coming on is usuallu a sign that the diffs are not locking.
If you can verify that the diffs are in fact locking when the switch is 
turned, then I would look to the senders in the respective housings.
I have seen this on each of the 4kq's I have owned. After a few years 
the little actuators break where the vaccum lines attach to it, or the 
little rod that works the lock gets rustly and quits moving. (I have 
saeen this more in the rear...)
Good luck, 

- -- 

Todd Candey                         The Composite Garage
271A Greenboro Ct.                       81 4k 5+5    
Elk Grove Village, IL                        85 4ksq
60007               USA                          89 90q


From: SOP8920@Siena.edu
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 9:29:55 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Corroded Wheels!??

Hi folks,
   I was gone for 11 days, and upon my return I found that my tires where
rather low on air. I took the Q out, and filled up the low tires. The next day,
the RF was flat and the RR was 1/2 way there. I pumped up the tires and drove
the car to where I purchased the tires. 
   The monkey-lads working the counter took my car in and checked out the
tires. When I picked it up, they said that they removed the tires from the
wheels and discovered that "corrosion" was causing the beads to not seal
properly. I said.. "huh"? He said that my wheels were old, paint peeling, etc,
and that there was some corrosion inside the wheel that was preventing proper
sealing. He said he cleaned things up a bit, then remounted the tires using the
bead-sealer stuff. He said that if they started to deflate again, I might need
to have the wheels professionally serviced. 
    I've never heard of this before! I've got an old shit-box at home whose
steel wheels have a nice layer of rust on them. They seem to seal fine.
Furthermore, these wheels are a Aluminum alloy.. right? Aluminum will oxidize,
but the thin layer of oxidation will coat it and prevent any further oxidation.
That's why old aluminum gets that white film on it. What the heck is he talking
    P.S. To those who kindly responded to my post about RV purchases, I'll be
getting back to that shortly. Things are currently in the works, and I'll reply
to you all shortly. 
                               -Osman Parvez
                                89 200q (150K miles)
                                Siena College
                                Albany NY


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