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V8 Rear Brakes
With 42K on 91 V8 it sounds like ist time to replace the back
ones..Geting price of about $400 incl rotors.. Does this sound about
right,,Front looks good still as they are the retofit brakes that were
done under orig owner..These were done at about 18K...Anyone have any
1) For all around daily driving an a few sprinpts well beyond legal
limits,,Are the rear pads of a certain kind better than original????
How about the rotors,,One guy said something about a pad "Brammo"????
Thats not right but starts w"B".. 2X as expensive as ones for around
2) How much can I expect from the fronts..They still look OK...
3) On dif. subject..Car is 6 yrs old..Audi says transmission (auto)
never needs changing..I have seen a couple of articles on this page
recently..Is a little prevention worth it?????
Any advise appreciated.. Richard Krucker, Cincinnati(
>Sent: Monday, March 03, 1997 2:41 PM
>Subject: quattro-digest V4 #387
>quattro-digest Monday, 3 March 1997 Volume 04 :
>* Welcome to the digest version of the quattro list.
>* See the end of the digest for unsubscribe info.
>* In this issue:
>2 Qu's(Fuel inj & Exhaust)
>still got a clunk
>Re: 4kcsq clutch acting up
>Re: Temp sensors
>4kcsq left front thunk noise
>Hydraulic system check valve?
>Anyone know the 800 number for Audi of America?
>H20 dripping exhaust...
>Re: Outside Temp Question
>Re: If you only buy one Audi video
>Re: Keeper: Defeating Headlight Warning for V8
>S4 turbo pressure measurement
>RE: Discount Tire Direct?
>Audi info (fwd)
>From: Raj AUDIocee <firstname.lastname@example.org>
>Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 11:24:22 -0600
>Subject: 2 Qu's(Fuel inj & Exhaust)
>Since its spring, warmer temp's means more time to work on my car. And
>I'm always thinking of new thing to make/fix. So I came up with a
>I dont know all the technial terms, so bear with me.
>1) Working with the fuel injection sys., how is the mass air flow
>plate supposed to be adjusted? According to my manual, it should be
>flush with the bottom of the cone, but the cone isn't a perfect cone.
>Where the MAF plate sits, the edges of the cone do not converge, but
>vertical for about 2-3mm. I was wondering if I am supposed to set the
>plate at the top if this 3mm or the bottom of the 3mm.
> Originally it was in the middle. Car had reasonable power, got approx
>330 km on 60L tank (~5.5 km/L = ~ 16 mpg) in city.
> At the top of the 3mm. Car has less power, still getting around
>(This is the main reason I am screwing around with this! The CO is
>adjust lean, vac guage reads 16 inhg. Rest of car checks out)
>2) I am thinking of putting in dual exhaust , I was wondering where to
>split the pipes up. Right now I was thinking right after the rear
>Is this a good place?
> I was also unsure about back pressure. My car is non turbo 4000s 5cyl.
>Last spring I cut off the pipe, evverything incl. the cat. So right now
>it is running a straight pipe (2.5") with a free flow exhaust(Cherry
>bomb), there is so much air being pumped out with out the cat
> If I went with dual exhaust, there would be even less pressure. Is
>ok for the car, or is back pressure essential.
> Also, I have done a few things with the intake, ie. K&N filter and I
>reducted the intake hose (from bottom of airbox) to the front grille
>with an 8" vent. (lots of air flow)
> If anyone has done this, please let me know. Thanks again.
>From: "Grant Lenahan" <email@example.com>
>Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 12:30:38 -0500
>Subject: re: suspension
>>>P.S. Suspension is my next upgrade... Am considering H&R Springs and
>>>Bilstein Sport Shocks as well as Urethane Bushings... Yes? No? Anything
>>>else to consider?
>The Bilstein sports will be very stiff. Your call. A thread not long
>that urethane bushings didn't last, and were not worht the hassle/ride.
>From: Dirk Dalton <firstname.lastname@example.org>
>Date: Sun, 02 Mar 1997 22:33:59 -0600
>Subject: Fuel Injectors
>I am looking for fuel injectors for my 87' 5KCSTq. Anyone know who has
>best price for these? The part number is 0 437 502 045. They are the
>(i think) for all the 84 and newer turbo I5's. I can get them for ~
>(my mechanics cost) but would like to pay less. Any sugggestions or
>anyone have a few used but good ones they would be willing to sell?
><trying to fix my sloooow start problem>
>Also: my brother had a mishap with his 86' 5KS last week... An
>hit head on into his passenger side going 45 mph! Threw the audi some
>feet where it hit a telephone pole about 4 feet above the ground. The
>slid down and he walked out and preceded to yell at them for not having
>their sirens (lights were on though). Went and looked at the vehicle
>other day, and I am _very_ impressed. Not too many cars would (could)
>sacrifice themselves like this for the safety of the driver.
>From: Dan Simoes <email@example.com>
>Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 12:37:13 -0500 (EST)
>Subject: still got a clunk
>Driving me crazy... after all the work I had done last week,
>and tightening the control arm bolts on Sat, there is still
>a clunk. Here's how it goes:
>quick turn to right, nothing
>quick turn to left, clunk
>It's most noticable when doing sharp left turns (ie into a parking
>lot). I feel it in the floor, so it might still be the control
>arm. Also, I get this shimmy/shake (top of steering wheel moves
>up/down at 70mph) that is always present but seems to diminish at
>I just reinstalled the D60A2s (less than 3k miles) so it's possible
>that they are unbalanced, but unlikely (on MSW rims, balanced last
>Do these two "symptoms" sound familiar? My mechanic is about 45mins
>away and busy as always...
>Spent part of Sat/Sun installing the triple gauges in the console
>of the 84 4kq, relocated diff lock pull and lights to the lower
>dash panel, just to the right of the wheel. Had to splice the lights
>and redo the vac. lines, but it looks pretty good. Thanks to everyone
>who donated parts :)
>| Dan |
>Dan Simoes firstname.lastname@example.org
>100 Clearbrook Road (914) 789-5378 (voice)
>Elmsford, NY 10523 (914) 789-5310 (fax)
>Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 12:33:47 -0800
>Subject: Re: 4kcsq clutch acting up
>Tony Lum wrote:
>> Just got the quattro back from the mechanic on Friday evening. Went for
>> a nice drive today, and when I get back the clutch starts acting weird.
>> It acts like its pinned to the floor! I can lift it up with my toe and
>> get a couple shifts out of it, then it sticks again.
>The clutch MC. I've rebuilt it on 2 Audis (15 bux for the OEM rebuild
>Once you are at it, I strongly suggest replacing the Slave Cyl (not
>rebuildable) coz it probably has accumulated tons of hydro/rubber/gummy
>doodoo. Aaah, and the pressure hose too.
>In order to bleed the clutch completely you need a pressure bleeder.
>Bentley also confirms it.
>Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 12:44:09 -0800
>Subject: Re: Temp sensors
>> >I bought it (actually asked for it as a Christmas present, heh, heh...=
>> >Brookstone (i.e. specialty/gadget store) for $20. It has a wire lead w=
>> >temp sensor on the end, for the outside temp. >Hope this helps. This m=
>ay be a
>> >viable alternative for you, instead of
>> >spending the big $$ to get one in a package from the dealer.
>> the VDO oustside temp gauge with sensor goes for $120 or so.
>> i've always wondered why it was so expensive...
>JCWhiney sale book No.93JB shows the "LCD digital inside/outside
>thermometer" for $6.95! P/N 81PK1702B.
>Without a doubt, one of them will go into my new A4TQ this coming
>(if only this gauge is switchable to =B0C, coz the only Farenhight that
>recognize comes in a tan 100cc spray bottle and is made by Christian
>Incidently, the same sale book shows my glass mount CB antenna, P/N
>71RC1330U for $24.99. Somebody asked me about it in a private mail.
>From: "Dan Cooke Cooke@cs.lmco.com" <COOKE@taurus.cs.lmco.com>
>Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 12:51:05 -0500 (EST)
>Subject: 4kcsq left front thunk noise
>I replaced a broken coil spring on the front of my 4kcsq 2 weekends
>ago. I also
>replaced all the strut inserts with KYBs. The left front area now
>THUNK noise when going slow (<5-10mph) over large bumps (didn't use
>tower bearings are new as well. Nut on top seems to be tight, what
>it be? A worn ball joint wouldn't make this loud of a noise would it?
>replaced coil spring was from an '85; mine's an '86.
>From: Michael Spiers <email@example.com>
>Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 11:22:41 -0700
>Subject: Hydraulic system check valve?
>I started the replacement of the bomb in the '84 5kS this weekend. In
>the middle, I went to a friends house to discuss life. This friend
>happens to be an authorized Audi mechanic, so (after he gave me the
>booklet I've been searching all over the place for) we started talking
>Audi's (what else do you talk to an Audi mechanic about?) and I told
>what I was doing to Ann's 5k. He told me to check what I *think* was
>called the check valve. We went out to my TQ in his drive, and he
>pointed out what he was talking about. He pointed to the return hose
>from the block behind the master cylinder that returns to the top of
>hydraulic fluid reservoir, and said "the way to check it is to take
>fitting off, and start the car. If no fluid leaks out (don't _touch_
>the brakes!) the valve is OK, if some leaks it's bad." What valve was
>he talking about? It _is_ the block of aluminum between the master
>cylinder & the firewall right? What's that thing called? If this
>is bad, is it going to spray Pentosin from to Germany? TIA-
>'87 5kCS TQ (Fort Collins, Colorado)
>'84 5kS (Boulder, Colorado)
>'90 80 (Bethesda, Maryland)
>From: "Sean Ford" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
>Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 13:18:09 -0500
>Subject: Anyone know the 800 number for Audi of America?
>Hi, could some knowing person on the list send me the 800 number for
>of America? I had it, but I don't know where I put it. Thanks.
>Newton, MA 02162 (USA)
>From: email@example.com (Steven Buchholz)
>Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 10:30:06 -0800
>Subject: Re: Speed
>> I just sent my husband off on this beautiful, early for northern
>> Vermont, spring day in my Audi. I told him, "Don't drive fast if your're
>> in a hurry; only if you do it for fun." He smiled.
>.... it just so happens I spent the majority of my Saturday in a
>Improvement" class to mask a recent ticket ...
>The class was taught by a CHP officer, and he said that he was much
>likely to let someone off with a warning if they were "enjoying the
>rather than being stressed or in a hurry. He said that once he let a
>off with a warning that he had clocked at 90MPH because the guy told
>that he had just hit the point where the engine was completely broken
>and that combined with the beautiful day made him a bit exhuberant.
>He also said that he lets people off with a warning on their birthday
>San Jose, CA (USA)
>From: "Sean Ford" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
>Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 13:43:22 -0500
>Subject: H20 dripping exhaust...
>Please excuse the WB, if this is a stupid question, but none of my
>cars have ever done this... last Saturday before departing on "Audi
>Metro Boston" day, I started my '92 100 up in the driveway and let it
>up (I'm guessing it ran for approx. 5 minutes). I noticed that there
>pool of water (?) forming directly below the exhaust tips and water was
>dripping from the exhaust. What would cause this? I've owned a VW Golf,
>Honda Accord, and a Toyota Cressida; and none of them have ever dripped
>anything from the exhaust. I can't even say if this is still happening
>since it rained on Sunday and I did not have time to warm it up this
>Oh, by the way, is anyone else's spouse sick of hearing about your
>Newton, MA 02162 (USA)
>From: DRANCHAK@commgate.kirtland.af.mil (DRANCHAK)
>Date: Mon, 03 Mar 97 11:00:16 MST
>Subject: Re: Outside Temp Question
> On my 92 100 CSQW, the outside temp sensor is located behind the
> lower plastic grille near center and is easily removed. It sounds
> like mine may have the same problem as yours. It indicates
> -40 and -15 degrees C with no correlation to the outside temp.
> Following the owner's manual procedure for changing from degrees F
> degrees C has no effect. I was told that a new sensor is about
> Does anyone know of a way to test the sensor.
> Albuquerque, NM, USA
> 92 100 CSQW
> 92 100 S
>From: Aaron LaPointe <email@example.com>
>Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 17:35:46 -0800
>Subject: Re: If you only buy one Audi video
>Allan Jones wrote:
>> I wrote:
>> > Charles A. Schliebs wrote:
>> > >
>> > > "The Triumph of an Idea", now called Audi Quattro-- The Official
>> > > available from Autogalerie Ltd. They have a new toll free no.:
>> > > that is good for US and Canada The price is $19.95 plus shipping.
>>I agree, the
>> > > video makes you want to go right out and buy an Audi if you didn't
>> > > before.
>> > These guys got swamped for this video, hooray for quattro! I
>> > just ordered it and I have to wait until they get more from wherever
>> > they get it from. I was talking to the guy there and he told me about
>> > several other Audi quattro videos that they have, one that caught my
>> > attention in particular was called "Rally Supercars." It has one
>> > volume on q's and get this- hosted by none other than the great Rohl
>> > himself. I ordered one, it's like 29.95 or something. Has anyone heard
>> > of this video before? Seen it? Oh, well.
>> I do not have faith, but this may be worth a try(since I never
>> supplier when I recently asked where to buy) - Does *THIS* company also
>> have "Secret's of Speed . . ." Please oh please. . .say yes! If NO and
>> someone on the list knows how I can get a copy, PLEASE O PLEASE LET ME
>> TIA. Allan Jones and one half of SoS
> I cannot tell you if they have said video, but the number is
>888-288-race if you are that interested. They are located in
>Pennsylvania. I called at like 1 a.m. and got some guy who said he was
>working really late to try to get more of the "Triumph of an idea,"
>Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 13:56:07 -0500 (EST)
>Subject: Re: Keeper: Defeating Headlight Warning for V8
>In a message dated 97-03-03 12:00:26 EST, you write:
><< missed the original post. I presume this refers to defeating the
> "bonger" for when you open the door and have left your lights on.
> I on the mark so far? If so, will this fix correct the radio
> well? That's the one that annoys me the most. Does this have
> affect on the buzzer for leaving your transmission anywhere
> park? TIA.
> Jack Rich >>
>No, Jack. Its refers to disabling the headlight bulb out display in
>for those cars so equiped. Has nothing to to with "accessory on" chime
>auto trans buzzer. The "accessory on" chime is a relay with built-in
>in relay box under driver's side (U.S.) parcel sheldf on my '85 4KQ,
>where on other cars. The chime, if it annoys you, can be disabled by
>removing it. Can be distinguished from other relays in that it has
>speaker perforations on top.
>- -Ingo Rautenberg
>90 V8Q 163k+
>85 4KQ 130k
>From: Morten Astrup Steen <firstname.lastname@example.org>
>Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 19:59:06 +0100
>Subject: S4 turbo pressure measurement
>I'm starting to get used to my new jewel, the '94 S4 aquired not long
>ago. Some details bother me though, the only thing I'll bother you all
>with today is this:
>My digital turbopressure gauge shows 0.5 at idle. approx. 0.9-1.2 at
>normal driving and when really hitting it I've seen 1.7 and I think 1.8
>once or twice. Is this correct?
>I thought it should be 1.0 at idle (atm. pressure) and only below 1.0
>when breaking with the engine downhill (so that underpressure would be
>created). Is this my paranoia or is something not right?
>Thankful for any relief from you gurus out there :))
>Morten Astrup Steen, StrÝtvetveien 15, N-3014 Drammen, Norway
>Homephone:(+47) 32 83 12 93 Work phone:(+47) 67 13 30 65
>Mobilephone:(+47) 90 68 61 30 Work fax:(+47) 67 13 37 20
>Email: email@example.com WWW: http://home.sn.no/~mosteen
>From: Peter Henriksen <firstname.lastname@example.org>
>Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 11:07:46 -0800
>Subject: RE: Discount Tire Direct?
>I don't actually know much else about the D40-M2s and JLB except that I
>saw it on a flyer the other day when at Discount Tire. The reason for
>the heads-up on making sure any new purchases has JLB is that I
>want anybody to be stuck with the old style (not that they were bad - I
>swear by them for price/performance).
>- - peter, email@example.com,
> issaquah, wa, usa
> 91 200qw
> 94 acura legend gs
>>From: Bart Chambers [SMTP:firstname.lastname@example.org]
>>Sent: Sunday, March 02, 1997 4:54 AM
>>To: Peter Henriksen; Quattro@coimbra.ans.net
>>Subject: Re: Discount Tire Direct?
>>Hi Peter, fellow Q-heads,
>>> Good experiences (4 times - twice for D40-M2s (make sure you get the
>>> ones with JLB technology), once for Michelin Alpin snows and once for
>>> P210 snows).
>> CONGRATULATIONS Peter!!! You gave us all quite a heart-stopper there Mate!
>>Yer Kindly Ol' Unka Bart is *awfully* glad to see that you dodged the bullet
>>this time, sorry about the 200, but...
>>And tell me more about the JBL technology viz the D40-M2s. I have the
>>on my other toy and never knew that there was any other thing to know about
>From: email@example.com (Will Gadd)
>Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 12:13:52 -0600
>Subject: Driving Schools?
>My lovely, most understanding wife and several friends have decided
>need to go to "race school" as a 30th birthday present. I've about
>the limit of what I think is sane/reasonable to do on public roads
>low-traffic ones), and I've always wanted to go someplace where I could
>really push my driving without endangering either other drivers or my
>Audi's aging bodywork too much. I'm also interested in racing; I do a
>several other risk sports competitively (paragliding, climbing), and I
>think auto racing looks extremely attractive. I've read some books etc,
>I'd like to know if anyone on this list has opinions about where to get
>some good training, preferrably in Colorado but anywhere in the US is
>I've heard of programs where you finish with some sort of basic
>that sounds interesting. As I know a bit of theory already, I'd be most
>interested in schools that focused on lots of performance driving
>of "Look over your shoulder before pulling out."
>Thanks for your input!
>- -Will Gadd
>Will Gadd Sports
>3035 Folsom Boulder, CO 80304, 303 939 9305, fax 303 939 9355,
>From: Dan Simoes <firstname.lastname@example.org>
>Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 14:29:50 -0500 (EST)
>Subject: Audi info (fwd)
>- ----- Forwarded message from Kendrick White -----
>From email@example.com Sun Mar 2 06:10:05 1997
>From: "Kendrick White" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
>Subject: Audi info
>Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 13:54:46 +0300
>X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R
>I am impressed by your knowledge of Audi and the collection of the
>links your have.
>I would like to ask your help. I desperately need to know as much as
>possible about electric heating elements currently used in any of Audi
>Who supplies the elements to Audi?
>Are they used to heat the interior in winter, the door locks,the
>wheel, the seats, the engine or for what other purposes?
>What are there characteristics and prices if available?
>If you cannot send the information, may be you could give some tips on
>where I should look for it?
>Please e-mail email@example.com
>Thank you for your time
>Dan Simoes firstname.lastname@example.org
>100 Clearbrook Road (914) 789-5378 (voice)
>Elmsford, NY 10523 (914) 789-5310 (fax)
>From: Hans-J Tannenberger <email@example.com>
>Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 11:34:05 -0800 (PST)
>Subject: Re: Turbo-leak?
>> I have an 89 200TQ that is generally a great car but yesterday, I developed
>> a problem that I don't seem to be able to find an answer for. The car
>> started surging yesterday when trying to accelerate and I thought it might
>> be because things got a little too wet due to torrential rains and pooling
>> water here in the Louisville, KY area (9 inches in 24 hours). I checked
>> again today and there seems to be an air leak (hissing) that varies in
>> intensity directly with engine speed when trying to accelerate. I couldn't
>> hear that yesterday due to road noise associated with wet roads, etc. I
>> visually checked all of the hoses, pipes, etc., but everthing seems to be
>> in order. I suspect that there is a problem between the turbocharger and
>> the engine and I looked at all of the gaskets, joints, etc., but couldn't
>> see much. I also checked the seal on the cap on the wastgate but that
>> seemed intact as well.
>> If anyone out there has had the same problem or has fix on what this
>> problem is, I would appreciate hearing from you. Thanks.
>> Mark Thomas
>check the hose running from the intercooler to the intake manifold.
>It broke on both of my cars, and shows exactly the symptoms you
>You have to take out the hose, since it usually rips on the underside
>due to gas/oil residues left there.
>- - Hans
>From: Farzaan Kassam <firstname.lastname@example.org>
>Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 11:38:39 -0800
>I've been a lurker for some time on this list. I'm in love with the
>A4, especially the yellow ABT one in one of the Eurpoean magazines.
>let me get to the point: yesterday I was driving around late at night
>my 89 944 Turbo after having a hard day; we have this really long hill
>on a stretch of highway that's very steep (uphill). A lot of guys test
>their cars up this long hill because it really gives you a chance to
>her rip. Well, here I am in the middle lane of three lanes and I see
>four headlights behind me getting closer and closer and closer. The
>were right behind each other just flying. Right as they came upon me,
>seperated into the two lanes around me, one to the left, one to the
>Here's a datapoint before I go into more detail, if your car can hit
>up this hill starting at speed limit (~80km/h) at the bottom, you've
>a fast car. These two cars were Audi Turbos (I think one was a 5000
>and the other was a 100[?] or something like that). They just blew
>like I was sitting there. What kind of surprised me was that both cars
>smelt really rich and at that very time, I was doing about 140km/h.
>speed that they came by at would mean they were likely doing close to
>180-200km/h. From the looks of it I would say they had a pretty good
>start from before the bottom with the speed they had near the middle.
>It was just cool to see two sedans hauling some serious speed up this
>and both drivers were obviously decent drivers as they did not make
>steering movements or anything stupid like that. It was interesting.
>This is in B.C. Canada BTW.
>1989 Porsche 944 Turbo - 14psi.
>End of quattro-digest V4 #387
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