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Re: Snow tire roundup: Guardex 600 & Winter 210 Asimmetrico (longish)
I can attest to the Yokohama Guardex 600's in the snow. I won't put
anything else on my car in the snow! They are THAT good!
One of the car rags did a comparison test with these tires last year. They
pitted a Yokohama shod Camry against a factory tire'd Toyota Fore-Runner.
They tested the cars for acceleration, deceleration, and a snow covered race
track timed event. The Camry with the Yokohama's smoked the Fore-Runner in
The Yokohama's are very soft like you had stated and are not that great on
dry pavement, but hey, you are buying snow tires here.
From: Chris Newbold <email@example.com>
To: firstname.lastname@example.org <email@example.com>
Date: Monday, December 01, 1997 11:34 AM
Subject: Snow tire roundup: Guardex 600 & Winter 210 Asimmetrico (longish)
>Winter is approaching and since I put nice TSW Imolas with
>summer-only D40M2s on the 1993 90 back in the spring, it's time
>for real snow tires...
>I decided to put real snows on my wife's A3 Golf too, with the
>expectation of getting real rubber for it next spring...
>I went with Yokohama Guardex 600 185/60 14 for the Golf. It's
>light and doesn't have ABS, so it begs for maximum winter grip.
>These tires have been a pleasant surprise. Though softer than
>the OEM Goodyear Invicta GLs (Q vs. H rated) they handle *better*.
>Sharper turn-in and more apparent stability. That's probably faint
>praise for the 600s and dammnation for the Goodyears (trust me,
>they really suck), but not bad for snow tires. The 600s are quiet
>and smooth around town, though they set up a vibration around
>60-65MPH like corrugated or sirrated pavement. Go faster and they're
>fine :-) I'm happy that the car feels at least as secure in the
>dry and wet as before.
>For the Audi (much weight, ABS) I picked up the Pirelli Winter
>210 Asimmetricos, 205/60 15. These are the replacements for the
>old Winter P210, and are H rated. I would have preferred 195/65s,
>but for some reason that sized doesn't seem to be imported. The
>205/60 is listed as an alternate fittment for the 93-95 90s, though.
>They're a tad wide for the 6" OEM Ronal rims--if these weren't snows
>I'd be worried about sidewall rollover, but hey, you've got to slow
>down a little in the snow :-).
>I can whole-heartedly endorse these tires. They are most certainly
>less capable in the dry than the D40M2s, but they feel very stable
>and secure. Directional stability isn't bad; turn-in is a little
>squishy, but what wouldn't be after the Z-rated D40M2s? They have
>about the same feel as the OEM Goodyear Eagle GA touring tires the
>car came with. Again, a pretty crappy handling tire, but...
>They work well in the wet, too. I over-cooked an exit ramp the other
>night in fog and rain/drizzle: didn't see the stop sign at the end
>until quite late. I got into the brakes hard and got some four-wheel
>ABS action and came to a halt about 20 ft before the sign. The 210s
>didn't feel anywhere near as secure as the D40M2s under those
>conditions, but they got the job done; though with more dramatic
>We haven't had any snow here yet, so I can't report on how well either
>of these tires fair "in their element". Time will tell...
>1993 90CS 62k