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RE: The Postman
I apologize in advance for the length of this post and I promise this will be
my last post on this subject to the list. Scott I hope someday when we meet
we can agree that we disagree on this subject and can move past it.
Ah, yes, waiting for that one. Reality check. Hey Pat, I own ONLY 3 audis,
no scoobydues or bummers.
The question is why do you own 3 of them if you feel them to be overweight,
poorly balanced, and with that useless quattro?
Bottom line, my objective is to advocate to this list and Audi AG,
that maybe we need to push audi into the performance market. At a level
higher than the to date commitment. Comparing Apples to Apples, audis have
been put in the back seat more than a few times. YOU and others here have the
ability to pass that advocation on to the boys at Ingolstat. Whack the
Do you really think that Audi of America could give a crap what you or I think
right now? They have one thing in mind right now and that is market share.
They have smarter guys than you or I deciding what to bring and not to right
now and 2000 enthusiasts have very little say in the big picture. Do I agree
with it? Hell no. BMW has the ability to bring in whatever they want because
they have more market share. Ingolstat either has very little to do with the
USA situation or they think that Audi USA is doing a fine job. If you look at
the sales #s could you blame them?
I am also somewhat surprised at the subjectivity of some of the posts here. I
understand completely this is the q-list. You can go back 4+ years here and
find NO ONE that has put out longer technical posts regarding the audis, from
understanding and explaining torsens, to turbos, to doing clutches. It
appears I'm also somewhat more objective on the subject of autos. I look at
post regarding snow prowess of quattro, and say 'hunh'? Most of those that
say it, have never been to a steamboat event, where reality rules, or bites.
I look at awd in the dry, and say, hey, btdt to quattro club, bmw club, viper
club, and Lotus club. My stopwatch must be off.
I for one appreciate your technical posts but you lose me when you keep on,
when someone disagrees with you. You seem not to have the ability to let
someone disagree with you without you claiming "the numbers don't lie" or "we
are waving the flag". Can you not accept that others will disagree and they
may have a point. For instance you claim awd has no advantage over a well
balanced rear drive. I completely disagree with that and that's fine. I will
never convince you and you will never convince me so I say drop it. Rehashing
the same old stuff will not change my beliefs just as I am sure it would not
change yours. Several very experienced drivers on this list will also
disagree with you, does that make anyone wrong? I think not. I think that
everyone has their favorite tool that makes them a better driver. With most
of us on the quattro list, quattro helps to make us better drivers. My
personal experience says my car laps faster than a comparable BMW (before
conversion). You would prefer a well balanced rear driver and I an all wheel
driver and that's why the earth goes round.
I have the pleasure of driving a very windy road home everyday from work. I
have had opportunities to drive many a car on this road. I have driven
everything from the 4kqt featured in European car to a Mazda 626 and found
compromises everywhere I look. The EC 4kqt is too stiff to take this road
comfortably. On the track it is a great car but get it on this road and it
skips like a rock on a lake. The 4kqt I own is quicker and a lot more
confident on this road. I suspect a seasoned M3 driver would never take the
road at the speed I can safely. Would it whip me on the track? Maybe, but we
shall see :-). The point is that when this never ending thread started it was
about large luxury cars. Would the BMW 7 driver be able to keep up with the
Audi on this road? I doubt it.
I also make a habit of driving every car possible, to evaluate not only where
the competition is, but where it stands in relation to "our" marque. That
isn't without some bones to audis. I worked thru the Big Red conversion kit
for the 44 chassis cars, cuz I drove a stock M3 with brakes. I have reference
material, and race car background that makes me question some of the chassis
dynamics that audi seemed to compromise on.
I too drive as many cars as possible and have had many cars in the past. You
assume a lot about which you know nothing. You would assume that since I
disagree I must be either ignorant or blinded by the Audi light. If you think
there are too many compromises how do you propose Audi change it? Quattro
demands that the engine be moved forward to meet the front wheels. Are you
proposing Audi scrap quattro. I am sure that would do wonders for sales.
So pardon me for being somewhat more worldly in my view. Few find me at a
quattro club event bashing quattros, more teaching the hows and why's from
driving to understanding. So Pat, cut me some slack. Happy to talk quattros
or any other machines, objectively and subjectively. Flag waving isn't part
of that mix. Sorry.
Worldly. This is just the pretentiousness I am talking about. You again
assume a lot about your knowledge compared to others. Example is the torsen
thread. You assume that Phil and Dave are ignorant since they don't agree
with you. It does not even occur to you that you could be wrong. Walter Rohl
is also wrong because he accepts awd as superior.
Pat Martin (ignorant, not worldly, and obviously blinded by my flag)
864000csq turbo, 2 1/2 cat back, H&R-Boge, MC and loving it. Drilled rotors
stopping it. Koenig Cobra 16x7 with AVS Intermediates turning it, K&N and
95 subaru legacy