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><< he compromises to the 540 are that it is heavy and is not the best
> performer. It just isnt. You make compromises when you buy a sedan, it
> is just simple physics. And for a 1.8 liter engine, yeah, it has a lot
> of potential. Im not talking about stressing the hell out of it. for
> relatively cheap you can chip it and a couple other things and get a nice
> performer, not the ultimate performer, but a decent one at least.
>Ask audi about that. And your warrantee too. There are a lot of concerns
>with 1.8tweeks, from the boys that built them. You may want to compare the
>540 to a whole plethora of perfomance machines. You might be surprised.
>Drive one, you aren't.
Fine, but i never said anything about aything but performance potential
did i? We dont seem to be comparing anything but performance here, that
is my whole freakin point.
>> outperforms....so the hell what? Most people do not buy these cars for
>> ultimate performance. When you get the cheapest car outperforming the
>> more expensive car in a difference that is only significant on the race
>> track, what is the point? Come on, they all perform approximately the
>> same, and therefore, luxury cars should be judged on LUXURY. I dont
>> understnand why that is so hard to accept.
>Apples to Apples sir. Expectation level is high in the "luxury" market.
>all perform NOT the same. Someone is serious that 50/50 is a good thing,
>right up to the creme. And someone isn't. So documented. Tires? Righteo.
>Nope, tires just make for a feel. Subjectively, you don't give that buyer as
>much credit as I do.
Does 50/50 always equal better performance? NO. Just flat out NO.
Yeah, it is a big factor, but come on, weight distribution is only one
part of handling. You still argue that tires dont make a difference
except subjectively, is that correct? How can you POSSIBLY make that
argument? I put AVS Intermediates on my old coupe, an upgrade from BF
Goodrich HR4's and yeah, there was a huge objective handling increase.
It would corner harder, respond quicker, brake better. Those arent
subjective measurements. That is the difference a tire can make.
>> You cant compare it to pure performance cars, you just cant. pure
> >performance cars designed for performance and performance only will beat
>> these luxocruisers.
>Drive the 540, then drive the M3. Case in my point. Drive a 944TS, drive a
>911, case in my point. Seat time Mike, you are not correct.
What exactly is your point here? The 540 is a much more powerful car in
a body that is not that much heavier than the M3, has a completely
different everything. I still dont see what the point is with that
comparison. And what in the hell are you tlaking about with the 951 and
the 911? i dont understand that. They are both built for pure
performance, both are pure sports cars. They are just very different
layouts, what is the point?
> >you got performance out of the S class? What? Im interested to know, are
>> you just alking acceleration? If so, that is only one part of
>> performance. I have NEVER heard anyone before you right now say that the
> >S500 can perform. It doesnt corner, it doesnt handle, it just
> >accelerates and cruises, which an argument can be made to include that in
> >luxury, not necessarily performance.
>Coupe does pretty well, performance and handling.
Just so i can read it, do you by chance have the test dates so that i can
check them out? Im just curious
>> The neon from my last read, in the sport version, handles pretty damn
> >well. The 0-60 is not performance in the terms of what im talking about.
> > And even then, there will always be a car that can outaccelerate any
>> sedan. Come on...everything is a compromise, and when you buy a sedan,
>> you compromise performance....
>Hmm, get a read of the next M5. You are right tho, may not be number 1. My
>last drive of the neon was fun, but please, so was my first drive of a
There is still the factor of aerodynamics. Inherently, the aerodynamics
of a sedan arent going to be as good for high speed as those of a sports
car. There is a reason why sports cars look like they do, it isnt justa
coincedence. Look at the McLaren, Daur 962, Avus...notice a trend? Not
one of the fastest cars on the road are sedans...
Michael Sheridan Williams
My new one: 1985 4000 S Quattro
175,000+ miles, and going like a new car
Well, went like a new car.....right into a guard rail :o(