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Re: ABT conversions?
I'm looking at a couple of TQC's that had ABT "Stage 2" conversions done
to them some time ago. Can anyone tell me specifically what this
implies as to changes involved, engine output, maintainability, and
availability of repair parts or methods of undoing the mods if
I assume that this upgrade implied some ECU changes, but how about the
turbo, cam, and other hard parts? Is the engine still diagnosable and/or
repairable if it has problems? Did this conversion imply suspension
changes as well?
Bottom line - is such a car a good deal, or is ABT the long-run kiss of
death for an '83 TQC?
Below is a post from 1995 or do detailing the ur-q products which were
available in the Abt catalog. I believe the Stage 2 mod included the Sport
pressure regulator(tweeked warm up regulator), sport wastegate(spring),
and euro control unit.
I have had the opportuninty to check out various Abt tweeked cars and
the work performed in this time period was a real hack. In the mid-late
80's, Abt was based in California and run by Jo Hoppen and his sons.
They really had no clue what they were doing, except making lots of $$.
To up the hp of the cars they tried to duplicate the euro spec cars which
started out with 200hp. I almost bought a Abt stage 3 1985 urq in the
early 90's. It was the stage 2 and then included the front mounted
intercooler, big valve head, camshaft, etc. It had no O2 sensor and the
O2 frequency valve was removed. There was a straight pipe in place
of the cat. It was a real hack and to get this car to pass Colorado
emissions would have been a problem. You could smell the unburned
fuel in the exhaust. I passed on the car, for the asking price it needed
too much TLC to get it straight again.
When looking over any urq, I would check over it very carefully. For
an Abt modified urq, I would make sure all the emissions controls are
present and functioning.
Dave Lawson Boulder, CO
1990 200 TQ Avant
Abt catalog & price list revised 12/1/87
P/N desc price
ABT Qm 1 Group 1 Mod $1695 US (200 HP, Euro Spec)
ABT Qm 2 Group 2 Mod $2720 (230 HP)
ABT Qm 3 Group 3 Mod $8735 (260 HP)
035-133-403 SP Sport Press Reg $ 275
035-145-705 SP Sport WG $ 725 (mighty expen$ive
spring for .2 BAR more!)
T300-305-296 KO 296 cam $ 695 (Schrick 296 degree
11.2 mm lift, 3500-4500 RPM)
T857-100-211 SP adj boost valve $ 775
T857-100-210 SP modd cont unit $ 250
T857-100-209 SP modd euro unit $1825 (and you thought Ned was
T857-100-260 SP large valve head $1550
T857-100-261 SP Abt sport icooler $1675
T857-100-263 SP Abt sport oil cooler $ 475
T800-100-202 SP hi perf head gasket $ 275
437-253-100 SP cat test pipe $ 59.95
4088.80 80C thermostat $ 26.95 (is now 75 C)
481D.85 fan thermo sw $ 23.95
857-400-001 Abt spt springs $ 645
86V-2086 Koni Sport front $ 225.90 each
86V-2087 Koni Sport rear $ 225.90 each
32-976-5 Boge TS front $ 70.10 each (OEM
32-977-6 Boge TA rear $ 70.10 each (OEM Quattro
437-600-301 SP ventd rotor front $ 300 each
437-600-302 SP vent rotor rear $ 240 each
437-600-221 SP Repco pads front $ 48.90
437-600-222 SP Repco pads rear $ 68.90
857-399-151 SP trans & diff mount $ 42.50 each (4 required)
857-407-181 SP cont arm bushing $ 18.50 each (8 required)
857-199-339 SP front torque mount $ 40
437-199-381 SP motor mount $199 each (2
035-145-900 SP turbo-life $ 249
855-900-400 SP early Cibie hd lites $ 625 (set)
855-900-500 SP late Hella hd lites $ 575 (set)
(got em for $495 on special in 88)
855-945-172 SP smoke tail lite left $ 99
855-945-182 SP smoke tail lite right $ 99
855-945-956 SP smoke center panel $ 140
H1s, H4s, VDO guages & senders, etc.....
Kindah makes the IA mod worth 60+ HP look pretty attrective at $795, $545
Catalog has a nice graph showing stock Euro and Group 3 Abt HP and torque
I tried to find better prices on the head and tail lights in Germany, UK,
Finland and Sweden.
All the prices were higher than those quoted by Abt above, a LOT higher. I
got em from Abt in CA in 2/88.
Abt HW is now available through _Europart_. Unknown to me about the
validity of the above
Abt P/Ns, prices, availability, etc.