[200q20v] 91 200 20v Pancake

Keith Maddock Keith.Maddock at trw.com
Wed Dec 13 00:12:50 EST 2000

I checked KBB.com.  Michigan retail value for 130k miles was $8300.  Retail value is much lower in Michigan compared to the rest of the country because cars wear more there, as well as a weak market for imports.

The interior is black, leather, sport seats.  Original bose system.  1 year old rear speaker's (rebuilts from Carleson)
Front brakes were converted using a front strut assembly from a 93 100CS Avant.  Includes ATE power slot rotors and brand spankin new Mintex pads.


Keith Maddock, TRW Automotive
Controls Engineering, Traction Control 
Livonia, MI
(734) 266 - 3971
**In Arvidsjaur Sweden from 12/4-12/18 Office Phone # 46 960 57 862 **
keith.maddock at trw.com

>>> <steve_scalmanini at agilent.com> 12/13/00 12:12AM >>>

Kelly Blue Book for our 91 2C20Vs was ~12K in summer when I last checked. 
Look yourself on the Web (http://www.kbb.com/). 

Salvage value is usually 20% of the car's value ... which is whatever 
you can negotiate with your insurance company. BTDT.   I bought my '86 
4KQ back from my insurance co. in '89 after being rear ended and totaled. 

If you want to salvage it yourself, buy it back from your own insurance 
co. for ~20% and part it our yourself ... or offer it to a known Audi 
wrecker like Dad's near Sacramento, CA ((800) 321-3237)... or wait 'till 
summer and drive it as a convertible ...  sometimes you hafta make 

You prob. don't hafta change anything back, especially if you salvage 
it yourself. 

Oh, if you do want it relicensed for operation after being totaled, 
you prob. have to pass a braking and lighting inspection. The euros 
might hang up then ... but I can't imagine you wanting to drive this 
thing practically. 

Don't let you insurance lapse until you get it to a nice safe final 
resting place on private property. And if your insurance co. wants 
to chisel you, let us know on the list; there's lots of experience 
here to help you. 

Good luck, 


PS: Wasn't there a dark sedan FS on the SF peninsula a few months back?
PPS: Listers might want parts. What color is the interior? UFOs or 
     conventional? Bose? Sport seats? etc. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Maddock [mailto:Keith.Maddock at trw.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 7:29 AM
To: WARATAP at aol.com; 200q20v at audifans.com; shawneolsen at juno.com 
Subject: [200q20v] 91 200 20v Pancake

Greetings Audi Friends and Audi Listers:

While out of the country on business, I have received word that my 91 200
Tq20v has been badly damaged.  It was parked in a friend's carport when the
carport was struck by a poorly driven U-Haul van.  The carport collapsed and
crushed the roof  ("creased" in the exact words of my friend), damaged all
four fenders, hood, trunk, and busted out the rear window.  

The insurance company is in the process of determining wether or not to
total out the car or not, so in the meantime I have a few questions I hope
you all might be able to help me out on...

1)   Can anyone suggest a top-rate body shop?  The car is located in Ann
Arbor, MI at the moment, I live in Livonia, MI.. so anywhere in the West
Detroit area would be appropriate.

2)  They claim the car is worth roughly 8000 bucks.  This seems low,  I'm
sure they always value them low so they don't have to pay out so much.  Does
anyone have any experience with fighting the insurance company's valuation?

3) Does anyone know what salvage value of these cars typically is?  All
mechanical hardware should be perfectly fine, including a new set of
Euro-Headlights, 3B motor / trans, Hoppen Stage I ECU, H&R Springs, Koni
Sport Shocks, SS Brake lines, new Hydraulic pump, new fuel pump, new TBV,,
new Bomb, new Brake Pads, etc etc etc.  I've heard rumors that the engines
go for 2-3k, so will the insurance company charge me that much or more to
buy it back from them?

4)  If anyone has had a car been "totaled" on them before, do you know they
let me swap back the original headlights, swap ECU's etc etc before they
take possession of the car?  I would think I have the right to sell the
non-stock items (NOT included in their valuation) as long as I replace them
with stock ones  If this ends up being the case, of the above listed items,
is anyone possibly interested in any exchanges?  The ECU and the headlights
are the key components that spring to mind there...

5) Does anyone have a really nice anthracite or black 200 for sale for about
8000 bucks?  Haha don't think so , but I have to ask.. I'll probably have to
pay more than 8000 for something as nice as mine was.

If anyone has any BTDT on this type of stuff, I'd really appreciate your
input.  This is very upsetting to me, compounded by the fact that I'm having
to deal with this from 5000 miles away.

Thanks in advance,
Keith Maddock

Keith Maddock, TRW Automotive
Controls Engineering, Traction Control 
Livonia, MI
(734) 266 - 3971
**In Arvidsjaur Sweden from 12/4-12/18 Office Phone # 46 960 57 862 **
keith.maddock at trw.com 

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