[200q20v] Re: Oversteer
Edward J Kellock
ekellock at juno.com
Thu Nov 30 07:24:09 EST 2000
Glad to hear you seem to have solved the conundrum.
I'm sure you're aware that your tires are one size smaller
than recommended. I speak from direct personal experience
when I say, get a matching set of tires in the right size, as soon
as is reasonable for you.
On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 02:01:48 -0800 "Derek Pulvino" <DPulvino at agraus.com>
> Wow! That's some response, and...and...and... I'm pleased to report
> that I have solved the "oversteer issue." Once I got the second
> opinion of someone who thought that the problem might lie in the
> tires, I decided it was time for a little rotation action. So
> Blammo, decided this morning to enact a front to back, and back to
> front type scenario (tires specifically, not the train) Ya know,
> I'll be damned if I can get the tail to hang anymore! :) :( A
> little safer, a little more conservative of a setup, but I can do a
> little harder chargin' now in the wet. To be honest though, I do
> miss those wet power-on oversteer moments, but I don't miss a
> certain wet twitchines/instability, from the rear at speeds of 50
> odd miles an hour on freeway interchanges.
> I think my most haenous (sp?) incident with this setup occured going
> over one of the local passes in the wet, I was taking a corner at
> around 80ish, (it was the fun twisty section at the top of
> Snoqualmie Pass if you know the area) and decided to I think it's
> called "apex" the corner, shot or more aptly drifted from the
> outside lane (3rd) land to the inside lane and I swear my eyes
> probably opened to my forehead as I felt the back end come loose.
> It was probably just a tad, but I was "front and center" real quick.
> Got a little oposite lock and all was fine, but good lord! Can't
> remember specifically if I had lifted the throttle at the same time
> as heading to the inside, or just turned in, but I didn't crap, my
> heart did skip, and my driving surely slowed down for a little while
> I appreciate everyones input on this, I wasn't really sure if this
> was the way the car was supposed to handle. Kind of went with a
> Piech idea I'd heard of how he really liked the 911 because it
> required ultimate concentration by the drived or ye gonna get bit in
> the ass (more of a paraphrase than actual quote I believe). So I
> thought that since the 5k/100/200 was his baby, and since it could
> be convincingly argued that the '91 200Q was the so called crescendo
> of the line, that maybe he went ahead and had this tendency
> enginered into the vehicle. All the reviews I'd read seem to call
> the car "neutral," so I figured, ya that makes sense, it does what I
> tell it right? In retrospect, this was probabably a slight
> oversteer tendency. I knew a friend of mines experience with their
> 100 never ilicited such response, but I figured the different
> stance, suspension set, and the "Piech's baby" factor etc could have
> come into play.
> This was the tire setup I had on the car when purchased so I didn't
> have any reference point for this particular year, setup, and all.
> And for the big unveiling I'll go ahead and disclose the tires that
> are on the now "understeering beast." When I purchased the car, the
> previous owner had just put those 100,000 mile Toyo tires on the
> front due to a reported sidewall bubble, and some other such Toyo
> touring tire was still hanging on in the back (I think the previous
> incarnation of the miracle 100k mile tire); all four are in a
> 205/60/15 on the stock BBS's. Ah, fer the love of god! It's been a
> good way to learn the car though.
> Now to the bushings issue. With the rotation action, I have noticed
> that the 100,000 mile tires track really well, and in fact track so
> well that they were doing a good job of masking the short coming in
> the front end. Now with the non 100k tires in the front, front end
> bushing slop is approximately 4000 times more noticeable. I see,
> skinned knuckles in my future, new bushings and so on ala Mr.
> So thank's again everybody for your input! I figured after all the
> ideas I got, I should at least give a back at least half a diatribe!
> PS: If there's anybody else out there in the Seattle area, to the
> best of my knowledge, I currently hold the land speed record for
> cornering at the Seatac Airport Parking Garage curly-cue
> entrance/exit ramps with a speed of 23 MPH in my stock 85 GTI. No
> noticeable effect on speed was discerened with ascending or
> descending the ramp. Any takers? Just be aware, it is a two person
> operation, one to drive and one to speedo gawk. And as far as that
> Coupe GT trade, are you sure you're looking out for my best
> interest? I mean, isn't that a front-wheel drive Pontiac or
> Chrysler or something? I appreciate the offer, but I think I'll go
> ahead and stick with the 200 :)!
> Hasta Luego
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