From dale at themccormacks.org Sun Apr 1 10:53:43 2001 From: dale at themccormacks.org (Dale McCormack) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:51 2003 Subject: [200q20v] 50's something Corvair digression References: <200103311700.MAA18969@www.audifans.com> <3AC62E9C.91274591@themccormacks.org> <3AC634C1.19FD0A22@netconnx.net> Message-ID: <3AC740F7.2DBDD319@themccormacks.org> Tom, Sold in 59 as a 60 model? Also, I believe the 180 only came in the upgraded sports model called Corsa (1965-67), and wasn't aware of its' being sold as a Monza. Carb syncing certainly was an acquired (and appreciated) skill with the 4 carb setup. These recollections are a bit fuzzy as I only started following these after they'd ceased production. Had plans for dumping one in a Karmann Ghia or putting a V8 in the back seat of a post 65 model. I failed to mention something you pointed out. Unlike the 356 Porsche with swing axles, the Corvair had a full IRS setup. Dale 89 200tq avant 91 200q20v Tom Donohue wrote: > > I thought the first year was '59...my brother had a '63 Monza coupe with the 140 hp > 4-carb setup (last of the "first generation body style) and I had a '65 Monza > convertible with the 180 turbo...it was a blast. > Tom Donohue > 91 200q20v avant > 89 Isuzu Space Cab pickup > 52 VW Deluxe split window > 50 VW Standard split window > 51 Ford 8N tractor > 68 Ford 4000 tractor > and other toys > > Dale McCormack wrote: > > > The Corvair was introduced in 1960 (same year as the Ford Falcon) to > > offer Americans an "Economy Car". The last year of Corvair production > > was 1969 (though very few were rolling off the assembly line due to > > Ralph Nader. > > > > Imagine if it had hung on for a few more years...180 turbocharged > > American hoursepower with disc brakes! > > > > It can be done anyway relatively easily with Camaro parts, but it isn't > > "stock". > > > > Its fun, but frustrating to think of a 4-seater American-made Stuttgart > > competitor...thanks Ralph! > > > > 200q20v-request@audifans.com wrote: > > > > > > Send 200q20v mailing list submissions to > > > 200q20v@audifans.com > > > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v > > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > > 200q20v-request@audifans.com > > > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > > 200q20v-admin@audifans.com > > > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > > than "Re: Contents of 200q20v digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > > > 1. Re: RE : [200q20v] 20V's and other cars (Tomsaudi200@aol.com) > > > 2. Re: RE : [200q20v] 20V's and other cars (C1J1Miller@aol.com) > > > 3. RE: RE : [200q20v] 20V's and other cars (Martin, Gary G) > > > 4. RE: RE : [200q20v] 20V's and other cars (Peer Oliver Schmidt) > > > 5. Distributor Rotor Question (Mike & Tanya Atkisson) > > > 6. Re: RE : [200q20v] 20V's and other cars (ELLIEOLSEN@aol.com) > > > 7. AUDI DELTA radio (omllenado) > > > 8. Re: Distributor Rotor Question (C1J1Miller@aol.com) > > > 9. Re: RE : [200q20v] 20V's and other cars (Paul Waterloo) > > > 10. RE: RE : [200q20v] 20V's and other cars (TM) > > > 11. Wheels for TQ Avant (Dale McCormack) > > > 12. Plastic Bumper Repairs (Dale McCormack) > > > 13. RE: RE : [200q20v] Competition (Henry A Harper III) > > > 14. RE: what later Audi rims fit over ufo's? (Henry A Harper III) > > > 15. Re: RE : [200q20v] 20V's and other cars (Gronberg) > > > > > > --__--__-- > > > > > > Message: 1 > > > From: Tomsaudi200@aol.com > > > Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 01:14:26 EST > > > Subject: Re: RE : [200q20v] 20V's and other cars > > > To: calvinlc@earthlink.net, 200q20v@audifans.com > > > > > > I admit I just caught the last strand of a thread I wasn't following too > > > closely, but found it interesting we that we have a member with a1972 Pontiac > > > Firebird. Got me to wondering what other cars are in the stables of other > > > list members. While we all share a common interest in our 20V 200's, much can > > > be said of what "other" cars we own. I look with great interest, and > > > curiousity, as to what you all have to say. > > > > > > To get the ball rolling..... > > > > > > 1991 Audi 200 Quattro, navy blue > > > 1995 Audi 90, Burgundy > > > 1978 MG Midget, Brooklands Green > > > > > > --__--__-- > > > > > > Message: 2 > > > From: C1J1Miller@aol.com > > > Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 01:23:07 EST > > > Subject: Re: RE : [200q20v] 20V's and other cars > > > To: Tomsaudi200@aol.com, calvinlc@earthlink.net, 200q20v@audifans.com > > > > > > 1991 Audi 200q20v sedan > > > 1981 VW Scirocco hatch > > > 1984 VW GTI hatch (for sale) > > > 2000 Honda CRV (mini-suv for the wife) > > > Chris > > > > > > --__--__-- > > > > > > Message: 3 > > > From: "Martin, Gary G" > > > To: "'200q20v'" <200q20v@audifans.com> > > > Subject: RE: RE : [200q20v] 20V's and other cars > > > Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 01:25:52 -0500 > > > > > > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand > > > this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. > > > > > > ------_=_NextPart_000_01C0B9AB.6F5CC1F0 > > > Content-Type: text/plain; > > > charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > > > 94 Audi UrS4 > > > 91 Audi 200 20v TQA > > > 94 SAAB 900S > > > 86 SAAB 9000Turbo 237,000 mi. > > > 97 MotoGuzzi 1100Sport > > > 95 KTM 250EXC > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Tomsaudi200@aol.com [mailto:Tomsaudi200@aol.com] > > > Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 1:14 AM > > > To: calvinlc@earthlink.net; 200q20v@audifans.com > > > Subject: Re: RE : [200q20v] 20V's and other cars > > > > > > I admit I just caught the last strand of a thread I wasn't following too > > > closely, but found it interesting we that we have a member with a1972 > > > Pontiac > > > Firebird. Got me to wondering what other cars are in the stables of other > > > list members. While we all share a common interest in our 20V 200's, much > > > can > > > be said of what "other" cars we own. 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> > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: 200q20v-admin@audifans.com [mailto:200q20v-admin@audifans.com]On > > > Behalf Of Tomsaudi200@aol.com > > > Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 7:14 AM > > > To: calvinlc@earthlink.net; 200q20v@audifans.com > > > Subject: Re: RE : [200q20v] 20V's and other cars > > > > > > I admit I just caught the last strand of a thread I wasn't following too > > > closely, but found it interesting we that we have a member with a1972 > > > Pontiac > > > Firebird. Got me to wondering what other cars are in the stables of other > > > list members. While we all share a common interest in our 20V 200's, much > > > can > > > be said of what "other" cars we own. I look with great interest, and > > > curiousity, as to what you all have to say. > > > > > > To get the ball rolling..... > > > > > > 1991 Audi 200 Quattro, navy blue > > > 1995 Audi 90, Burgundy > > > 1978 MG Midget, Brooklands Green > > > _______________________________________________ > > > 200q20v mailing list > > > 200q20v@audifans.com > > > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v > > > > > > --__--__-- > > > > > > Message: 5 > > > Reply-To: "Mike & Tanya Atkisson" > > > From: "Mike & Tanya Atkisson" > > > To: <200q20v@audifans.com> > > > Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 13:57:09 +0200 > > > Subject: [200q20v] Distributor Rotor Question > > > > > > List members, > > > I finally got the correct rotor. Even here in Germany it was hard to > > > track down. The local Bosch Distributor said that he has never ordered that > > > part number before and his main warehouse didn't have it in stock. What a > > > pain........... > > > Now that I have all of the parts, I tried to track down the Loctite to > > > glue the Rotor on. No one over here has ever heard of Loctite 640. All > > > that was available was Loctite 271. > > > Can I use this instead?? The package states "Locks studs, bushings, and > > > large fasteners against vibration loosening" and "Strengthens slip and light > > > press fits" > > > > > > Isn't this basically what I need it to do??? Please help........ > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > --__--__-- > > > > > > Message: 6 > > > From: ELLIEOLSEN@aol.com > > > Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 07:10:06 EST > > > Subject: Re: RE : [200q20v] 20V's and other cars > > > To: Tomsaudi200@aol.com, calvinlc@earthlink.net, 200q20v@audifans.com > > > > > > --part1_44.c97fecb.27f7231e_boundary > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > > > Here is my current list > > > '83 GTI > > > '91 200 20vTQA > > > '96 A4 2.8Q > > > Shawn > > > > > > --part1_44.c97fecb.27f7231e_boundary > > > Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" > > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > > > Here is my current list > > >
'83 GTI > > >
'91 200 20vTQA > > >
'96 A4 2.8Q > > >
Shawn > > > > > > --part1_44.c97fecb.27f7231e_boundary-- > > > > > > --__--__-- > > > > > > Message: 7 > > > From: "omllenado" > > > To: <200q20v@audifans.com> > > > Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 05:27:07 -0700 > > > Subject: [200q20v] AUDI DELTA radio > > > > > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > > > > > ------=_NextPart_000_00A4_01C0B9A3.39FF14C0 > > > Content-Type: text/plain; > > > charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > > > well there goes my radio, > > > > > > just went to prestige imports (audi's, porsche, saab dealer) and they = > > > told me that my radio needs to be replaced 'cause of the 6 tries that i = > > > did in decoding it(safe mode after doing the alternator), well first i = > > > was given 3 tries then it goes to safe mode, i then removed the neg(-) = > > > battery terminal and given 3 more tries but to no avail.=20 > > > 1. does anyone know how to remove the radio, i was thinking of getting = > > > an aftermarket radio, well since the old remanufactured radio would cost = > > > $150 from the dealer, might as well get a newer radio. > > > 2. would installing a 45 watts radio fry my stock speakers? > > > 3. is there a shop that buy old audi radios, i just want to dispose it, = > > > or would it be wise to just keep it?. > > > > > > btw the audis & porsche's @ prestige imports got me drooling there for a = > > > 30 minutes. > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > > "Imagination is more important than knowledge, for knowledge is limited = > > > while imagination embraces the entire world."(Einstein) > > > > > > Oliver M. Llenado > > > Analyst/Programmer > > > Denver Colorado 80220 > > > Homepage http://www8.ewebcity.com/omllenado > > > > > > ------=_NextPart_000_00A4_01C0B9A3.39FF14C0 > > > Content-Type: text/html; > > > charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > > > > > > > > > > > charset=3Diso-8859-1"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
well there goes my radio,
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just went to prestige imports (audi's, = > > > porsche,=20 > > > saab dealer) and they told me that my radio needs to be replaced 'cause = > > > of the 6=20 > > > tries that i did in decoding it(safe mode after doing the alternator), = > > > well=20 > > > first i was given 3 tries  then it goes to safe mode, i then = > > > removed the=20 > > > neg(-) battery terminal and given 3 more tries but to no avail. = > > >
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1. does anyone know how to remove the = > > > radio, =20 > > > i was thinking of getting an aftermarket radio, well since the old=20 > > > remanufactured radio would cost $150 from the dealer, might as well get = > > > a newer=20 > > > radio.
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2. would installing a 45 watts radio = > > > fry my stock=20 > > > speakers?
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3. is there a shop that buy old audi = > > > radios, i just=20 > > > want to dispose it, or would it be wise to just keep it?.
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btw the audis & porsche's @ = > > > prestige imports=20 > > > got me drooling there for a 30 minutes.
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thanks,
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"Imagination is more important than = > > > knowledge, for=20 > > > knowledge is limited while imagination embraces the entire=20 > > > world."(Einstein)
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> > >
Oliver M. = > > > Llenado
Analyst/Programmer
Denver=20 > > > Colorado 80220
Homepage > > href=3D"http://www8.ewebcity.com/omllenado">http://www8.ewebcity.com/omll= > > > enado
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> > > > > > ------=_NextPart_000_00A4_01C0B9A3.39FF14C0-- > > > > > > --__--__-- > > > > > > Message: 8 > > > From: C1J1Miller@aol.com > > > Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 07:51:38 EST > > > Subject: Re: [200q20v] Distributor Rotor Question > > > To: matkisson@yahoo.com, 200q20v@audifans.com > > > > > > there is a "kleen and prime" surface activator, plus the loctite. > > > basically, it just locks it in place; any of their products would work ok. > > > Chris > > > > > > --__--__-- > > > > > > Message: 9 > > > From: "Paul Waterloo" > > > To: "'200q20v'" <200q20v@audifans.com> > > > Subject: Re: RE : [200q20v] 20V's and other cars > > > Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 07:09:08 -0600 > > > > > > 91 200q (pearl) > > > 77 BMW R100RS > > > 85 Honda VFR 500 Interceptor (no, not a police cruiser) > > > 1975 Triumph TR6 undergoing a frame up restoration > > > _____________________________________________________ > > > Paul Waterloo > > > Applied Energy Services > > > Phone 708-524-9464 > > > Fax 708-524-0079 > > > Voicemail/pager 888-962-7304 > > > pwaterloo@compuserve.com > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Martin, Gary G" > > > To: "'200q20v'" <200q20v@audifans.com> > > > Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 12:25 AM > > > Subject: RE: RE : [200q20v] 20V's and other cars > > > > > > > > > > > 94 Audi UrS4 > > > > 91 Audi 200 20v TQA > > > > 94 SAAB 900S > > > > 86 SAAB 9000Turbo 237,000 mi. > > > > 97 MotoGuzzi 1100Sport > > > > 95 KTM 250EXC > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Tomsaudi200@aol.com [mailto:Tomsaudi200@aol.com] > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 1:14 AM > > > > To: calvinlc@earthlink.net; 200q20v@audifans.com > > > > Subject: Re: RE : [200q20v] 20V's and other cars > > > > > > > > > > > > I admit I just caught the last strand of a thread I wasn't following too > > > > closely, but found it interesting we that we have a member with a1972 > > > > Pontiac > > > > Firebird. Got me to wondering what other cars are in the stables of other > > > > list members. While we all share a common interest in our 20V 200's, much > > > > can > > > > be said of what "other" cars we own. I look with great interest, and > > > > curiousity, as to what you all have to say. > > > > > > > > To get the ball rolling..... > > > > > > > > 1991 Audi 200 Quattro, navy blue > > > > 1995 Audi 90, Burgundy > > > > 1978 MG Midget, Brooklands Green > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > 200q20v mailing list > > > > 200q20v@audifans.com > > > > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v > > > > > > > > > > --__--__-- > > > > > > Message: 10 > > > From: "TM" > > > To: <200q20v@audifans.com> > > > Subject: RE: RE : [200q20v] 20V's and other cars > > > Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 10:07:28 -0500 > > > > > > Well, since you asked: > > > > > > '86 5ktq (for sale), Zermatt Silver > > > '91 200q, Black > > > '92 Eagle Talon TSi AWD (parts car for sale cheap) > > > '99.5 A4tqw > > > '01 NB 2.0 auto (Mom's car) > > > > > > That is our family stable for the time being. Jag S-type or > > > XK8 are a possible new addition in the future, although most > > > likely, the A4tqw will be replaced by an allroad. > > > > > > Taka > > > > > > --__--__-- > > > > > > Message: 11 > > > Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 09:25:20 -0600 > > > From: Dale McCormack > > > Organization: Strategic Business Systems, Inc. > > > To: rberlin@feltonberlin.com, 200q20v@audifans.com > > > Subject: [200q20v] Wheels for TQ Avant > > > > > > Hi Richard, > > > Hope you've received the BernieBrace products by now. > > > > > > Earlier this week I put a set of 17 x 8 ASA IS6 wheels (35mm offset) > > > w/235/40-17 Kuhmo tires on for about $1200 from TireRack. Perfect fit, > > > a modestly understated, but elegant look and zero clearance problems. > > > > > > As Chris has mentioned before, the 35mm is the key for good Type 44 Audi > > > fitment, even on non-flared fenders where I've put 17 x 7 wheels > > > w/205/50 tires. Again zero clearance problems. > > > > > > The larger diameter provides better steering w/o any perceptible comfort > > > tradeoffs. > > > > > > Both cars are close to stock spring heights. > > > > > > HTH > > > Dale > > > > > > --__--__-- > > > > > > Message: 12 > > > Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 09:34:19 -0600 > > > From: Dale McCormack > > > Organization: Strategic Business Systems, Inc. > > > To: Audi 91 200Q list <200q20v@audifans.com> > > > Subject: [200q20v] Plastic Bumper Repairs > > > > > > If you've got a crack in your bumper, you might find a repair cheaper > > > than replacement at a motorcycle repair shop. Plastic welding products > > > have been available for several years and the rods are available in > > > various color (obviously black in this case). > > > > > > HTH > > > > > > --__--__-- > > > > > > Message: 13 > > > From: Henry A Harper III > > > To: "'Calvin & Diana Craig'" , > > > "200q20v@audifans.com" > > > <200q20v@audifans.com> > > > Subject: RE: RE : [200q20v] Competition > > > Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 08:40:59 -0700 > > > > > > On Friday, March 30, 2001 10:37 PM, Calvin & Diana Craig > > > [SMTP:calvinlc@earthlink.net] wrote: > > > > > > >....I must say though, that the > > > > acceleration of cars like this is totally different from the Audis. The 20 > > > > valves are kind of like a 747....constant thrust in your back that just > > > > pulls hard and constant through the whole RPM range > > > > > > That's funny - when I took a co-worker for a ride she happily screamed, "Whee! > > > It's just like an airplane!" > > > > > > >...I just like G-forces > > > > > > You aren't the only one... > > > > > > Henry > > > > > > --__--__-- > > > > > > Message: 14 > > > From: Henry A Harper III > > > To: "'james austin'" , > > > "200q20v@audifans.com" > > > <200q20v@audifans.com> > > > Subject: RE: [200q20v] what later Audi rims fit over ufo's? > > > Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 08:58:41 -0700 > > > > > > On Friday, March 30, 2001 7:31 PM, james austin [SMTP:jra914@excite.com] wrote: > > > > > > > > What Audi rims from the later cars fit the 91 tq with ufo brakes? > > > > > > I believe the UrS4/S6 rims fit, but most A4/A6 rims might need spacers while > > > A8/neuS4/A62.7T/A64.2 (cars with bigger brakes) fit fine. > > > > > > All I have is the stock BBS and a set of steelies, though I was admiring the > > > shiny flat-spoke wheels on an A64.2 last year. > > > > > > Henry Harper > > > http://www.srv.net/~hah > > > 1991 200 quattro, 112k, ought to drive that again sometime soon > > > 1988 GTI 16v, 217k, time for summer tires & oil for both cars very soon as well > > > > > > --__--__-- > > > > > > Message: 15 > > > Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 08:36:17 -0800 (PST) > > > From: Gronberg > > > Subject: Re: RE : [200q20v] 20V's and other cars > > > To: 200q20v@audifans.com > > > > > > Running? > > > 1991 Audi 200q20v sedan > > > 2001 Dorf Windstar (company Car) > > > 1995 Chevy Suburban Diesel > > > 1996 Olds Bravada > > > 1998 Merc M-Class > > > > > > Not Running? > > > '51 Willys Jeepster > > > '53 MG TF w/ Supercharger > > > '63 Mercedes 200 > > > '50-something Corvair > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > > > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text > > > > > > --__--__-- > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > 200q20v mailing list > > > 200q20v@audifans.com > > > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v > > > > > > End of 200q20v Digest > > _______________________________________________ > > 200q20v mailing list > > 200q20v@audifans.com > > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v From wolff at turboquattro.com Sun Apr 1 10:13:18 2001 From: wolff at turboquattro.com (Wolff) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:51 2003 Subject: [200q20v] what later Audi rims fit over ufo's? References: Message-ID: <001b01c0bac6$aa3588e0$6401a8c0@pacbell.net> Check the clearance between the outermost part of the UFO and the inside of the spokes of the wheels. You need to make sure that the wheel is riding on the hub and not the UFO. The 16x7 speedlines off of a 97 A6 for example need spacers to fit over UFO's and I've heard of them being bolted up wiyhout it being obvious that there isn't enough clearance. HTH, Wolff ----- Original Message ----- From: Martin, Gary G To: '200q20v' <200q20v@audifans.com> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 4:26 PM Subject: RE: [200q20v] what later Audi rims fit over ufo's? > I just swapped my OEM UrS4 16" wheels(225x50), ET40, onto my 91 200TQA. Seem > to fit just fine. Put 17's on the S4, and have a set of almost new, noisy > a$$**ed, Nordman snow tires for sale, if anyone is interested. > Gary > 94UrS4 > 91 200TQA > > -----Original Message----- > From: Henry A Harper III [mailto:hah@srv.net] > Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 10:59 AM > To: 'james austin'; 200q20v@audifans.com > Subject: RE: [200q20v] what later Audi rims fit over ufo's? > > > On Friday, March 30, 2001 7:31 PM, james austin [SMTP:jra914@excite.com] > wrote: > > > > What Audi rims from the later cars fit the 91 tq with ufo brakes? > > I believe the UrS4/S6 rims fit, > > _______________________________________________ > 200q20v mailing list > 200q20v@audifans.com > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v > From Chewy4000 at aol.com Sun Apr 1 14:23:06 2001 From: Chewy4000 at aol.com (Chewy4000@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:51 2003 Subject: [200q20v] 20V's and other cars Message-ID: <30.12af4446.27f8bdfa@aol.com> In my yard: 91 200tq pearl white 87 4000cs q (rallyx) 87 4000cs q (parts) 84 4000s q (parts) 93 90 q (brothers) 84 4000s q ( bro's rallyx) 92 stanza (moms) 90 full bronco (dads) 84 jeep scrambler ( plow) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.audifans.com/pipermail/200q20v/attachments/20010401/2a9c1d19/attachment.htm From wolff at turboquattro.com Sun Apr 1 13:03:01 2001 From: wolff at turboquattro.com (Wolff) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:51 2003 Subject: [200q20v] 50's something Corvair digression References: <200103311700.MAA18969@www.audifans.com> <3AC62E9C.91274591@themccormacks.org> <3AC634C1.19FD0A22@netconnx.net> <3AC740F7.2DBDD319@themccormacks.org> Message-ID: <005f01c0bade$5ff56e40$6401a8c0@pacbell.net> I saw a very nice pearl white Corvair last month. Show quality. Check it out: http://www.succulents.com/quattro/corvair/ Notice the difference between a 200 in Audi pw and the "whiter" pw on the Chevy. Someone had a lot of time and money. Wolff ----- Original Message ----- From: Dale McCormack To: Tom Donohue ; Audi 91 200Q list <200q20v@audifans.com> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 7:53 AM Subject: [200q20v] 50's something Corvair digression > Tom, > Sold in 59 as a 60 model? Also, I believe the 180 only came in the > upgraded sports model called Corsa (1965-67), and wasn't aware of its' > being sold as a Monza. Carb syncing certainly was an acquired (and > appreciated) skill with the 4 carb setup. > > These recollections are a bit fuzzy as I only started following these > after they'd ceased production. Had plans for dumping one in a Karmann > Ghia or putting a V8 in the back seat of a post 65 model. > > I failed to mention something you pointed out. Unlike the 356 Porsche > with swing axles, the Corvair had a full IRS setup. > > Dale > > > 89 200tq avant > 91 200q20v > From mod2000 at home.com Sun Apr 1 16:39:19 2001 From: mod2000 at home.com (Mike O'Donnell) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:51 2003 Subject: [200q20v] After-run fan. Message-ID: <002e01c0bafc$97084380$7f9c0618@sttls1.wa.home.com> It's been a slow day on the list and I've got a burning question about the after-run system on our cars. There was a recent thread about the radiator fan fuse which got me thinking that my after-run fan has not kicked on during the winter months and I should probably look into this further. I tested the system with the engine hot, removed the two wires to the temp switch (temp sensor) and confirmed both the after run fan and turbo cooling pump are working properly, but not when plugged into the switch. I replace the switch with the part number from SJM's web-site but nothing has changed. Just to add confusion, a few days after I replaced the switch, I did hear the after-run fan run for 20 seconds and then cut out. That was a week ago and I have not heard a thing since. Before I begin tracking down an electrical gremlin, can the after-run relay operate intermittently? I'm assuming they either work or they don't. Hopefully someone's BDTD. Thanks as always. Mike O. Seattle, WA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.audifans.com/pipermail/200q20v/attachments/20010401/30a9956d/attachment.htm From MartinGG at aetna.com Sun Apr 1 20:50:27 2001 From: MartinGG at aetna.com (Martin, Gary G) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:51 2003 Subject: [200q20v] After-run fan. Message-ID: Mike, it will only run if the coolant gets hot enough after engine shutdown. From MartinGG at aetna.com Sun Apr 1 20:53:40 2001 From: MartinGG at aetna.com (Martin, Gary G) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:51 2003 Subject: [s-cars] Re: [200q20v] what later Audi rims fit over ufo's? Message-ID: Ooops, wrong list. -----Original Message----- From: Gary Martin [mailto:motogo1@home.com] Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 3:32 PM To: Audi S4 Subject: [s-cars] Re: [200q20v] what later Audi rims fit over ufo's? Yep, they do. Just checked them, a good 6 to8mm clearance. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wolff" To: <200q20v@audifans.com> Cc: "Martin, Gary G" Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [200q20v] what later Audi rims fit over ufo's? > Check the clearance between the outermost part of the UFO and the inside of > the spokes of the wheels. You need to make sure that the wheel is riding on > the hub and not the UFO. The 16x7 speedlines off of a 97 A6 for example need > spacers to fit over UFO's and I've heard of them being bolted up wiyhout it > being obvious that there isn't enough clearance. > HTH, > Wolff > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Martin, Gary G > To: '200q20v' <200q20v@audifans.com> > Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 4:26 PM > Subject: RE: [200q20v] what later Audi rims fit over ufo's? > > > > I just swapped my OEM UrS4 16" wheels(225x50), ET40, onto my 91 200TQA. > Seem > > To unsubscribe, email: s-car-list-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! 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There was a recent thread >about the radiator fan fuse which got me thinking that my after-run >fan has not kicked on during the winter months and I should probably >look into this further Most of the time, my after-run wouldn't come on period, and I've lived in MA and NY. 200q20v's are infamous for rarely running their after-run fans. It only came on during the hot summer days after a heavy run. My old 5000CST would run the after-run fan almost constantly during the summer months. The "my after run fan rarely runs" is a frequent newcomer question. Hopefully we're right in saying "don't worry about it" :-) Brett From C1J1Miller at aol.com Sun Apr 1 23:45:45 2001 From: C1J1Miller at aol.com (C1J1Miller@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:51 2003 Subject: [200q20v] After-run fan. Message-ID: In a message dated 4/1/01 10:39:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, brettd@speakeasy.net writes: > At 3:39 PM -0700 4/1/01, Mike O'Donnell wrote: > >It's been a slow day on the list and I've got a burning question > >about the after-run system on our cars. There was a recent thread > >about the radiator fan fuse which got me thinking that my after-run > >fan has not kicked on during the winter months and I should probably > >look into this further > > > Most of the time, my after-run wouldn't come on period, and I've > lived in MA and NY. 200q20v's are infamous for rarely running their > after-run fans. It only came on during the hot summer days after a > heavy run. My old 5000CST would run the after-run fan almost > constantly during the summer months. > > The "my after run fan rarely runs" is a frequent newcomer question. > Hopefully we're right in saying "don't worry about it" :-) > > Brett Some, however, run fairly often, such as mine; certainly runs less in winter, but still runs on occasion. The system and setup are the same as the earlier 5000 series cars... Chris From mod2000 at home.com Sun Apr 1 22:00:30 2001 From: mod2000 at home.com (Mike O'Donnell) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:51 2003 Subject: [200q20v] After-run fan. References: Message-ID: <004001c0bb29$773e51c0$7f9c0618@sttls1.wa.home.com> Thanks for the advice. I think I'll just wait for some warmer weather to see if the system functions more often. I am running an 80 degree thermostat which may allow the engine to operate below the threshold of the temp switch. I've also noticed coolant seepage from some hoses which I thought may indicate a problem with the after-run.....probably just 10 year old hoses needing replacement. Are all our coolant hoses dealer only items? Mike O. ----- Original Message ----- From: Martin, Gary G To: '200q20v' <200q20v@audifans.com> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 4:50 PM Subject: RE: [200q20v] After-run fan. > Mike, it will only run if the coolant gets hot enough after engine shutdown. > From my experience with my 94 S4, it almost never came on when I had a 80 > degree thermostat in the car. After changing to 87, it almost always comes > on in the Summer, but rarely in the Winter. I could check the Bentley for > the temps. it comes on at if you would like. I'm not home now. I just got > the 91 200 20v and have just changed the thermo from 80 to 87, and it hasn't > come on yet either. I need to run the test to make sure it works. HTH > > Gary > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike O'Donnell [mailto:mod2000@home.com] > Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 6:39 PM > To: 200q20v@audifans.com > Subject: [200q20v] After-run fan. > > > It's been a slow day on the list and I've got a burning question about the > after-run system on our cars. There was a recent thread about the radiator > fan fuse which got me thinking that my after-run fan has not kicked on > during the winter months and I should probably look into this further. > > I tested the system with the engine hot, removed the two wires to the temp > switch (temp sensor) and confirmed both the after run fan and turbo cooling > pump are working properly, but not when plugged into the switch. I replace > the switch with the part number from SJM's web-site but nothing has changed. > > Just to add confusion, a few days after I replaced the switch, I did hear > the after-run fan run for 20 seconds and then cut out. That was a week ago > and I have not heard a thing since. Before I begin tracking down an > electrical gremlin, can the after-run relay operate intermittently? I'm > assuming they either work or they don't. Hopefully someone's BDTD. Thanks > as always. > > Mike O. > Seattle, WA > > From MikeMilr at blackfoot.net Sun Apr 1 23:37:33 2001 From: MikeMilr at blackfoot.net (Mike Miller) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:51 2003 Subject: [200q20v] After-run fan. References: Message-ID: <003101c0bb2e$a35c5180$c122200c@lcs1> ----- Original Message ----- From: > Some, however, run fairly often, such as mine; certainly runs less in winter, > but still runs on occasion. The system and setup are the same as the earlier > 5000 series cars... > Chris Mine almost always runs within 10 minutes of shutdown - even here in Montana's sub 10 deg(F) weather. Same in the summer when it's 90+ - it's like it is on a timer almost. mike miller with inconsistent empathy for owner/dealer problems From rmezic at keyspanenergy.com Mon Apr 2 09:25:22 2001 From: rmezic at keyspanenergy.com (RICHARD MEZIC) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:51 2003 Subject: [200q20v] re: 20V's and other cars Message-ID: <000001c0bb6f$fcba36c0$2b0fa8c0@p17-60A.crg.bug.com> Couldn't resist: Running: '97 Passat TDI (47mpg, 800+ miles per tank) '91 200 Avant (new son, needed a wagon) '98 Honda Civic GX (natural-gas company car) Working On It: '79 Malibu Coupe (stock V8, full gauges, posi rear and 40,000 miles) '67 Pontiac Tempest (w/ two-speed Powerglide transmission) Gone: At least five '83-84 GTIs (one with a custom turbo setup) (BTW - Some were sold, some were parted-out. Anyone need parts for a GTI?) -RJM- From dschaible at penw.com Mon Apr 2 09:42:05 2001 From: dschaible at penw.com (David Schaible) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:51 2003 Subject: [200q20v] 20V's and other cars In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20010402084205.00c08b00@mailhost.pny.penw.com> 91 200 avant-maroon w/ tan interior, mtm chipset, k&n, euro lites (stonegard too), konis, & still lovin the warp free ufo's 83 urq-zermatt silver w/black (chocolate) interior, chip, k&n, h&r springs, boge shocks, cross drilled rotors, 4pt simpson harnesses, euro 4 lite setup w/ harness & relays, 4000 series guages added, momo wheel, rolled fender wells, 15x8 ronal wheels (black), new blaupunkt stereo w/ disc changer & amps, euro style bumpers (pulled in us bumpers), & yeah, i kinda tinted some of the windows to match the black wheels...well the rings in the front grill kinda got blacked out too (just to complete the stealth thing) fellow avant owners, i replaced my rear window trim seals about two years ago with "new style" ones that weren't susposed to warp and they have just started to warp, any success stories with this issue out there ? At 01:14 AM 3/31/01 EST, Tomsaudi200@aol.com wrote: >I admit I just caught the last strand of a thread I wasn't following too >closely, but found it interesting we that we have a member with a1972 Pontiac >Firebird. Got me to wondering what other cars are in the stables of other >list members. While we all share a common interest in our 20V 200's, much can >be said of what "other" cars we own. I look with great interest, and >curiousity, as to what you all have to say. > >To get the ball rolling..... > >1991 Audi 200 Quattro, navy blue >1995 Audi 90, Burgundy >1978 MG Midget, Brooklands Green >_______________________________________________ >200q20v mailing list >200q20v@audifans.com >http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v > From Thomas.Forhan at mail.house.gov Mon Apr 2 10:53:14 2001 From: Thomas.Forhan at mail.house.gov (Forhan, Thomas) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:51 2003 Subject: [200q20v] AUDI DELTA radio Message-ID: <6BAA4FF604A4D2119AD10008C7A4EFBB074648B0@hrm06.house.gov> Did you look in the . I seem to recall from the Bentley that you can leave the radio on for an hour or something and then get moer chances, but after six tries maybe you don't have the correct code. Aftermarket radios are limited if you want to maintain the gorgeous orginal look of the orange/red dash. There is one Blaupunkt that has the right lights, but looks kind of wierd. Nakamichi has several models that have the right look and are excellent units. The other things is to make sure you know what system you have - Bose or non-Bose. See Chris' pages. Good luck, Tom -----Original Message----- From: omllenado [mailto:omllenado@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 7:27 AM To: 200q20v@audifans.com Subject: [200q20v] AUDI DELTA radio well there goes my radio, just went to prestige imports (audi's, porsche, saab dealer) and they told me that my radio needs to be replaced 'cause of the 6 tries that i did in decoding it(safe mode after doing the alternator), well first i was given 3 tries then it goes to safe mode, i then removed the neg(-) battery terminal and given 3 more tries but to no avail. 1. does anyone know how to remove the radio, i was thinking of getting an aftermarket radio, well since the old remanufactured radio would cost $150 from the dealer, might as well get a newer radio. 2. would installing a 45 watts radio fry my stock speakers? 3. is there a shop that buy old audi radios, i just want to dispose it, or would it be wise to just keep it?. btw the audis & porsche's @ prestige imports got me drooling there for a 30 minutes. thanks, "Imagination is more important than knowledge, for knowledge is limited while imagination embraces the entire world."(Einstein) Oliver M. 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I missed the warning ( was there one ? ) about the euro units hitting the battery jump terminal on the passenger side, among other issues. After finishing as the sun was going down, I began testing. The normal beams seem OK, but the driver's high was dead. After going back out in full dark to check out the road-going improvement of the low beams ( wonderful! ), I noticed that it wasn't the driver side city light that had been coming on, but the hi-beam at a low power. Since the lows seemed OK and they are good enough for normal highway driving, I haven't yet futzed with this any more. I have to go back in and change out a last minute add-on to deal with the wrong part that Blau put in the harness for the city lights, they provided a connector for and described a plug that didn't exist on my car. My question here is are the plug contact positions in the Bosch assemblies the same on each side or mirror images ? The harness instructions did not include a schematic and only mentioned that the blue and brown wires should be at the top of the connector. I threw my Fluke in the glove box and might get a chance to diag this for lunch today, but would appreciate any correct info that would save me a bit of time. Charlie -- Anyone who cannot cope with Mathematics is not fully human. At best (he) is a tolerable sub-human who has learned to wear shoes, bathe, and not make messes in the house. - Lazarus Long From hah at srv.net Mon Apr 2 12:15:00 2001 From: hah at srv.net (hah@srv.net) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:51 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Blau wiring harness for new Bosches seems miswired Message-ID: <200104021715.LAA28451@idscc05.onewest.net> >We had a sunny weekend here, I popped the new units in on Sunday. > >I missed the warning ( was there one ? ) about the euro units hitting >the battery jump terminal on the passenger side, among other issues. > >After finishing as the sun was going down, I began testing. The >normal beams seem OK, but the driver's high was dead. After going >back out in full dark to check out the road-going improvement of the >low beams ( wonderful! ), I noticed that it wasn't the driver side >city light that had been coming on, but the hi-beam at a low power. > >Since the lows seemed OK and they are good enough for normal highway >driving, I haven't yet futzed with this any more. I have to go back >in and change out a last minute add-on to deal with the wrong part >that Blau put in the harness for the city lights, they provided a >connector for and described a plug that didn't exist on my car. > >My question here is are the plug contact positions in the Bosch >assemblies the same on each side or mirror images ? The harness >instructions did not include a schematic and only mentioned that >the blue and brown wires should be at the top of the connector. > >I threw my Fluke in the glove box and might get a chance to diag >this for lunch today, but would appreciate any correct info that >would save me a bit of time. See http://www.sjmautotechnik.com/eurolght.html (yes, it's missing the "i" in "light") - they are the same on each side. I'm not familiar with the Blau harness, but "city light instead of highbeam" sure sounds like a mis-wired H4 to me. Ground and low/high swapped, so high/low goes through both filaments? HTH Henry Harper http://www.srv.net/~hah 1991 200 quattro, 112k 1988 GTI 16v, 217k From C1J1Miller at aol.com Mon Apr 2 14:20:45 2001 From: C1J1Miller at aol.com (C1J1Miller@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:51 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Blau wiring harness for new Bosches seems miswired Message-ID: <20.14434812.27fa0eee@aol.com> I think the connections are the same from side to side; why make two connector parts? See this page for a detailed answer and pics to help you out: http://www.sjmautotechnik.com/eurolght.html Chris In a message dated Mon, 2 Apr 2001 1:09:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Charles Baer writes: << We had a sunny weekend here, I popped the new units in on Sunday. I missed the warning ( was there one ? ) about the euro units hitting the battery jump terminal on the passenger side, among other issues. After finishing as the sun was going down, I began testing. The normal beams seem OK, but the driver's high was dead. After going back out in full dark to check out the road-going improvement of the low beams ( wonderful! ), I noticed that it wasn't the driver side city light that had been coming on, but the hi-beam at a low power. Since the lows seemed OK and they are good enough for normal highway driving, I haven't yet futzed with this any more. I have to go back in and change out a last minute add-on to deal with the wrong part that Blau put in the harness for the city lights, they provided a connector for and described a plug that didn't exist on my car. My question here is are the plug contact positions in the Bosch assemblies the same on each side or mirror images ? The harness instructions did not include a schematic and only mentioned that the blue and brown wires should be at the top of the connector. I threw my Fluke in the glove box and might get a chance to diag this for lunch today, but would appreciate any correct info that would save me a bit of time. Charlie -- Anyone who cannot cope with Mathematics is not fully human. At best (he) is a tolerable sub-human who has learned to wear shoes, bathe, and not make messes in the house. - Lazarus Long _______________________________________________ 200q20v mailing list 200q20v@audifans.com http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v >> From Vztante at aol.com Mon Apr 2 14:34:40 2001 From: Vztante at aol.com (Vztante@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:51 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Re: RE : [200q20v]how do you like the IA stage 3? Message-ID: I'm loving the extra oomph. It has made a very significant improvement throughout the same power range. Ned Ritchie says that the torque comes on strong at 2500 rpm. He doubts Audi's claim of the stock torque plateau beginning at 1900 rpm. In other words, he said that with his chip, the low-end kick is very close to or equally as low on the rpm band as on the stock car. There isn't any difference according to my butt-o-meter. The added power is a kick. In fact, I keep trying to think of excuses for "errand runs." The down side is that driving a serious sleeper may get me into trouble. It's hard to resist surprising M3s, Mustangs and such when given the all too infrequent opportunity. Ned uses his 200tq to tow his 450 hp 4000 race car to the track. He runs it at higher boost, I believe with his stage 3+ or more (and different turbo?). He'd be the guy to ask about which chip to use for such and such towing capacity. He encouraged me to go with the Stage 3 verses the 3+, given that the latter pushes the turbo to its maximum capacity, thus risking greater wear and tear. The 2 programs are rated at 277-280 hp, with the 3+ adding more to the mid-range without loss down low. HTH, Mitch Frey '00 A6 2.7t '91 200tq20v IA Stage 3 From charlie at istari.com Mon Apr 2 10:57:09 2001 From: charlie at istari.com (Charles Baer) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:51 2003 Subject: [200q20v] 20V's and other cars References: Message-ID: <3AC8A155.D6FCF896@istari.com> here be the current toys with wheels: '91 200q20v '84 4000S Quat '79 911SC (Euro lightweight,lowslung) '68 Triumph GT6+ '99 F250SD (Moby Dick!) '91 CBR1000F From copley at snet.net Mon Apr 2 17:54:49 2001 From: copley at snet.net (copley one) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:51 2003 Subject: [200q20v] [Fwd: Re: sources?] Message-ID: <3AC8E719.C79A1FC9@snet.net> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: sources? Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 16:47:38 -0400 From: Aaron Traussi To: Copley One The only sources I have would only have a large amount about a hundred but a good source and online would be http://www.bellmetric.com/ as well they are very "Euro" friendly On 4/2/01 4:45 PM, "copley one" wrote: > Message: 13 > Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 11:47:52 -0400 > From: Peter Schulz > Subject: Those elusive copper crush washers > > > > Found out the hard way this past weekend that it is best to start a job > requiring crush washers with an extra supply... > > With the help of Chris Miller, I replaced the fuel pressure regulator on > > the 200...of course when I ordered the replacement part, I neglected to > order the "sealing washers"..I hope to reuse the existing ones, which > promptly leaked. Found a NAPA that helped us out by breaking open the > package on a Bosch Fuel filter and giving us a set of washers. Of > course > this also did not seal the banjo bolt on the fuel rail...Went to two > more > parts places to no avail.... > > I decided to push my luck, clean the area around the fuel rail > connection > with a file and emory board, and reuse the washers - luckily it held w/o > > leaking fuel. I ran a few subsequent high boost runs to ensure that it > was > indeed tight. > > I will have to remove the washers again when I pull the injectors, but > want > to ensure that I have some extra washers on hand... which gets me to the > > point of this email... > > Other than the dealer, where can I get the myriad of crush washers that > the > cars need? In this case the FA called for an A12 x 15.5...???? > > John, Scott, anybody - source recommendations? > > TIA!!! > > Peter Schulz > 1990 CQ > 1991 200 20v TQW > Chelmsford, MA USA > peschulz@cisco.com > > > From calvinlc at earthlink.net Mon Apr 2 20:39:58 2001 From: calvinlc at earthlink.net (Calvin & Diana Craig) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:51 2003 Subject: [200q20v] After-run fan. In-Reply-To: <200104020408.AAA00890@www.audifans.com> Message-ID: Does the same switch operate the after run fan as the turbo coolant pump? If so, does this fan/pump not running cause the turbo to "bake" after hard running in the winter time? --Calvin From ekellock at juno.com Mon Apr 2 20:42:55 2001 From: ekellock at juno.com (Edward J Kellock) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:51 2003 Subject: [200q20v] empathies and apologies Message-ID: <20010402.194258.-592197.0.ekellock@juno.com> I believe that is my cue... I incorrectly attributed a post to Mike recently. I have reviewed my sent mail and found that there was no inconsistency in his empathy. I apologize for my mistatement. Ed Colorado Springs On Sun, 1 Apr 2001 22:37:33 -0600 "Mike Miller" writes: > > mike miller > with inconsistent empathy for owner/dealer problems ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From calexlee at us.ibm.com Mon Apr 2 16:34:43 2001 From: calexlee at us.ibm.com (Alex Lee) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:51 2003 Subject: [200q20v] 20V's and other cars Message-ID: Currently: 91 200q20v sedan, pearl, 17X8 Speedline w/ 255/40-17 91 200q20v Avant, lago blue, 16X7 A6 wheels w/ 225/50-16 87 5000cstq Avant, pearl, Fuchs, IA chip + spring Sold a month ago: 86 5000cstq sedan, red, Fuchs -Alex Lee San Jose, Calif. From C1J1Miller at aol.com Mon Apr 2 23:18:35 2001 From: C1J1Miller at aol.com (C1J1Miller@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:51 2003 Subject: [200q20v] empathies and apologies Message-ID: In a message dated 4/2/01 10:01:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ekellock@juno.com writes: > I believe that is my cue... > > I incorrectly attributed a post to Mike recently. > I have reviewed my sent mail and found that > there was no inconsistency in his empathy. > I apologize for my mistatement. > > Ed > Colorado Springs > > On Sun, 1 Apr 2001 22:37:33 -0600 "Mike Miller" > writes: > > > > mike miller > > with inconsistent empathy for owner/dealer problems Hi Ed and Mike, Was probably my post that Ed recalls, and since I'm also a Miller, not a hard mistake for Ed to make. (I wasn't very sensitive to this unknown guy's problem, mainly due to what I perceived as inconsistencies in his story about buying a car without any oil in the crankcase). Chris From Tomsaudi200 at aol.com Tue Apr 3 01:40:28 2001 From: Tomsaudi200 at aol.com (Tomsaudi200@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:51 2003 Subject: [200q20v] 20V's and other cars, Epilogue Message-ID: <14.11f7560a.27faae3c@aol.com> Well, I have certainly received many responses as to what other cars sit in our respective stables. Not that I was at all surprised, but an overwhelming majority of us own at least two Audi's, in some cases, you own several Audi's. The list owns Audi's that span nearly two decades. Some of you have modified 4000 Quattros, 5000 Turbo Quattros, which makes up for the 80's cars, the others own S-series Audi's from the 90's. I admit I am in the minority since other 1990's Audi is (regrettably) not an S-series car. Still, it impresses me that owners of newer, faster S-series cars continue to hang on to the 200 20V Quattro. Obviously the money is there for a more modern car, but I'd love to hear from any of you as to what keeps the 200 in your driveway despite the fact. Also, I would be remiss if I didn't comment on the muted VW fanatacism some of you share. I can certainly understand it. My first car was an '82 Scirocco; my wife and I later owned a '94 Jetta that was totalled in an accident (which is when we bought the '95 90). Some of you also mentioned the minivan or SUV of your spouse, the respective family hauler, and there are a couple of you with some American muscle cars too. Otherwise, you guys are diehard German car fans, I seem to be the lone British car owner with my MG. Laziness on my behalf prevented me from putting together hard data, but I think the above is a fair summary of what we drive. Thanks for your participation! Tom From Tomsaudi200 at aol.com Tue Apr 3 01:50:33 2001 From: Tomsaudi200 at aol.com (Tomsaudi200@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:51 2003 Subject: [200q20v] What is Ur? and other dumb ?'s Message-ID: <8b.4914dca.27fab099@aol.com> Presenting the most ignorant question of the year.... I frequently see several of you pre-empt your car's model number with "Ur". What does that stand for? I'm sorry for such a dumb question, but I have never seen it explained. Have any of you read the car reviews on Chris Miller's home page? Granted, most of them say it is a great car, which it is, but are the performance figures quoted accurate? Copied on one of the reviews is a 0-60mph comparison of the 200 20V with some pretty exotic company, including claims that the 200 can beat out a Ferrari 328GTS to 60mph, amoung others. The accompanied article states the 200 can keep pace on the 1/4 mile with a Vette and a Testarossa. Is there any truth to this? I'd be a liar if I said I never put my foot to the floor of my car, and yes, the car is very quick, but it doesn't feel like I can take on a Ferrari. Some of you guys track your cars....ever come nose to nose with a car you'd never expect to? Maybe the car is isolating me from the momentum, but is this thing really as fast as it is claimed to be? Tom From Tomsaudi200 at aol.com Tue Apr 3 02:15:03 2001 From: Tomsaudi200 at aol.com (Tomsaudi200@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:51 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Stalling,cont'd Message-ID: For any of you who are still interested, I am actively taking notes on my car's behavior as I prepare a visit to the dealer to hopefully put this problem to rest. And to reiterate my previous point, I am not on some witchhunt against my dealer; I just want this problem corrected, and to make sure that I did not dump several hundreds of dollars into the car, out of my pocket, for nothing. That said, the dealer indicated they wanted a mechanic to ride with me, to see if I can replicate the problem for them. I am fearful that this will be impossible to do. I have purposely tried to "simulate" situations in which I think the car would stall, but any attempt I make on purpose fails. Some questions the dealer had was if the car makes any noise prior to the stall. It doesn't. In fact, the stalling is so subdued that I only notice it once the steering gets heavy, and I see the bank of idiot lights lit up. Another question was if it happens when the car is cold. It can happen then, and it can happen after I have been driving it for over an hour. What I have picked on is that it likes to stall upon sudden deceleration, accompanied by a downshift. The one place I can almost count on my car stalling out is entering the driveway to my company. If the light is green, I am usually travelling at 35-45mph, turn left to cross the road, downshift into 2nd, and then the engine dies. This is the one instance in which the car consistently fails on me, and it is an especially dangerous place for it to happen given the fast-moving traffic. This convinces me that somewhere in that engine there is a vacuum leak that is reacting to a sudden loss of revs that shuts the engine down, or sucks out enough air to cut the engine. Naturally, when I come to the dealer next week, I'll tell them the same symptoms, but I thought I would share some more details on the circumstances of the stalling to see what you guys thought. Thanks for bearing with me! Tom From nathan.stuart at maine.edu Tue Apr 3 02:45:10 2001 From: nathan.stuart at maine.edu (Nate Stuart) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:51 2003 Subject: [200q20v] What is Ur? and other dumb ?'s References: <8b.4914dca.27fab099@aol.com> Message-ID: <01a401c0bc01$3f9bfaf0$0400a8c0@newt> > Presenting the most ignorant question of the year.... > > I frequently see several of you pre-empt your car's model number with "Ur". > What does that stand for? I'm sorry for such a dumb question, but I have > never seen it explained. Ur means original in German. -Nate '89 90q From matkisson at yahoo.com Tue Apr 3 16:06:05 2001 From: matkisson at yahoo.com (Mike & Tanya Atkisson) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:51 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Washer Fluid Warning Light Message-ID: <000c01c0bc3e$d8ffa240$874056d9@michael> I just did a tune up on my car today. Cap, rotor, wires, spark plugs, afterrun fan sensor, and the hydraulic system suction hose. When I start the car now it tells me my washer fluid is low. I went and added a gallon of fluid and it stills shows I am low. Is there anything near where I was working that would go to the washer fluid warning system?? Does anyone know where the sensor is on the fluid tank?? Since I have a German spec car the Euro lights block most of the fluid tank and I can't see the sensor. I thought this is kind of weird......anyone else experience something like this?? Mike _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From MikeMilr at blackfoot.net Tue Apr 3 09:31:47 2001 From: MikeMilr at blackfoot.net (Mike Miller) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:51 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Stalling,cont'd References: Message-ID: <004801c0bc4a$d18303c0$e722200c@lcs1> Tom, Try this to make it stall: Floor the throttle to get it on boost at around 2500 -3000 rpm. With the boost gauge reading 1.5+, lift the throttle and push in the clutch at the same time. When my TBV was bad, pulling into a driveway was one of the very annoying things that would frequently cause a stall. Isn't it nice these cars are so smooth that you have to have external input like all the dash lights or heavy steering to make you notice the engine is not running. mike miller From fundsaloracing at yahoo.com Tue Apr 3 11:54:32 2001 From: fundsaloracing at yahoo.com (Fundsalo Racing) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:51 2003 Subject: [200q20v] [Fwd: Re: sources?] In-Reply-To: <3AC8E719.C79A1FC9@snet.net> Message-ID: <20010403175432.13443.qmail@web13605.mail.yahoo.com> NEA in Concord NH - 603-228-0533 http://www.northerneuropeanautomotive.com/ -glen OOOO --- copley one wrote: > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: sources? > Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 16:47:38 -0400 > From: Aaron Traussi > To: Copley One > > The only sources I have would only have a large > amount about a hundred > but a > good source and online would be > http://www.bellmetric.com/ as well they are > very "Euro" friendly > > > On 4/2/01 4:45 PM, "copley one" > wrote: > > > Message: 13 > > Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 11:47:52 -0400 > > From: Peter Schulz > > Subject: Those elusive copper crush washers > > > > > > > > Found out the hard way this past weekend that it > is best to start a job > > requiring crush washers with an extra supply... > > > > With the help of Chris Miller, I replaced the fuel > pressure regulator on > > > > the 200...of course when I ordered the replacement > part, I neglected to > > order the "sealing washers"..I hope to reuse the > existing ones, which > > promptly leaked. Found a NAPA that helped us out > by breaking open the > > package on a Bosch Fuel filter and giving us a set > of washers. Of > > course > > this also did not seal the banjo bolt on the fuel > rail...Went to two > > more > > parts places to no avail.... > > > > I decided to push my luck, clean the area around > the fuel rail > > connection > > with a file and emory board, and reuse the washers > - luckily it held w/o > > > > leaking fuel. I ran a few subsequent high boost > runs to ensure that it > > was > > indeed tight. > > > > I will have to remove the washers again when I > pull the injectors, but > > want > > to ensure that I have some extra washers on > hand... which gets me to the > > > > point of this email... > > > > Other than the dealer, where can I get the myriad > of crush washers that > > the > > cars need? In this case the FA called for an A12 > x 15.5...???? > > > > John, Scott, anybody - source recommendations? > > > > TIA!!! > > > > Peter Schulz > > 1990 CQ > > 1991 200 20v TQW > > Chelmsford, MA USA > > peschulz@cisco.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > 200q20v mailing list > 200q20v@audifans.com > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From jbeer at boosecasey.com Tue Apr 3 19:14:05 2001 From: jbeer at boosecasey.com (Beer, Jerald) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:51 2003 Subject: [200q20v] fuel economy gauge Message-ID: Does anyone know if a "fuel economy gauge" 893 919 151e will swap into the 200q. t is the computer readouts for various functions. It looks like it has instant MPG instead of boost(maybe from a 100?). Since I have an analog boost gauge,and don't need gauge boost I'm thinking of swapping if someone knows if it will fit. TIA Regards, Jerry 91 200q From charlie at istari.com Tue Apr 3 10:19:18 2001 From: charlie at istari.com (Charles Baer) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:51 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Stalling,cont'd References: Message-ID: <3AC9E9F6.1BB23DA9@istari.com> I've had my 200q20v for three? weeks now, in addition to a stall on the pre-purchase test drive, I've probably experienced a total of six. Your problem sounds similar to mine when I get it up to temperature, maybe you can create the failure in the way I've experienced it. They seem to mostly occur after I've blipped the throttle and made a downshift while coming to a stop. It dies when I put in the clutch and come to a stop, e.g.: hard on throttle for a sec, grab the gear and brake, not touching the gas peddle again. YMMV, any engineer will tell you that trying to show somebody else an intermittent problem is a sure way to a headache. I've not had much time to fiddle, the steering rack and fear of using the old headlights at night used up all diagnosis/repair time to date. Other listers have covered about everything I've come up with in the Bentley that I plan to look at. Charlie Tomsaudi200@aol.com wrote: > > For any of you who are still interested, I am actively taking notes on my > car's behavior as I prepare a visit to the dealer to hopefully put this > problem to rest. And to reiterate my previous point, I am not on some > witchhunt against my dealer; I just want this problem corrected, and to make > sure that I did not dump several hundreds of dollars into the car, out of my > pocket, for nothing. > > That said, the dealer indicated they wanted a mechanic to ride with me, to > see if I can replicate the problem for them. I am fearful that this will be > impossible to do. I have purposely tried to "simulate" situations in which I > think the car would stall, but any attempt I make on purpose fails. > > Some questions the dealer had was if the car makes any noise prior to the > stall. It doesn't. In fact, the stalling is so subdued that I only notice it > once the steering gets heavy, and I see the bank of idiot lights lit up. > Another question was if it happens when the car is cold. It can happen then, > and it can happen after I have been driving it for over an hour. > > What I have picked on is that it likes to stall upon sudden deceleration, > accompanied by a downshift. The one place I can almost count on my car > stalling out is entering the driveway to my company. If the light is green, I > am usually travelling at 35-45mph, turn left to cross the road, downshift > into 2nd, and then the engine dies. This is the one instance in which the car > consistently fails on me, and it is an especially dangerous place for it to > happen given the fast-moving traffic. > > This convinces me that somewhere in that engine there is a vacuum leak that > is reacting to a sudden loss of revs that shuts the engine down, or sucks out > enough air to cut the engine. > > Naturally, when I come to the dealer next week, I'll tell them the same > symptoms, but I thought I would share some more details on the circumstances > of the stalling to see what you guys thought. Thanks for bearing with me! > > Tom > _______________________________________________ > 200q20v mailing list > 200q20v@audifans.com > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v -- Anyone who cannot cope with Mathematics is not fully human. At best (he) is a tolerable sub-human who has learned to wear shoes, bathe, and not make messes in the house. - Lazarus Long From Chewy4000 at aol.com Tue Apr 3 12:47:40 2001 From: Chewy4000 at aol.com (Chewy4000@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:51 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Mt. Wash. June? Message-ID: Anyone going to the climb to the clouds? I just checked there website, but it seams they dont have this coming schedule up yet. Chewy From b.m.benz at prodigy.net Tue Apr 3 11:19:54 2001 From: b.m.benz at prodigy.net (Bernie Benz) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:51 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Re: [audi20v] Re: PS Advice In-Reply-To: <002401c0bc54$42488ea0$b5042aa6@mcit.com> Message-ID: 99.5% of all rack failures, Audi and otherwise, are high pressure rod seal failures. In today's rack designs all other high pressure dynamic seals are designed to leak into the return fluid volume within the rack, and therefore cause no problem and are never obvious external leaks. A high pressure, linear motion dynamic rod seal is just one tough design problem under automotive cost constraints. Type 44 rack failures are more prevelent than are type 89 failures because the 44 operates at a higher average pressure (smaller piston area), the reason for requiring a piston type pump rather than the vane type of the 89. All racks have relatively large "dead" volumes at either end of the piston stroke that serve as debris deposit areas. Such deposits cause no harm and can not be removed by flushing, only by disassembly. The rod seal is above and out of this debris deposit area, thus uneffected by it. The best way to prolong the life of your rack's high pressure rod seal, is to limit the peak pressure to which it is subjected. NEVER hold the steering wheel against the end stops in parking, back off just an 1/8th turn. Bernie > From: Chris Woodward > Reply-To: chris.woodward@wcom.com > Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 11:39:23 -0400 > To: "'Bernie Benz'" , "'Audi 20V'" > > Subject: RE: [audi20v] Re: PS Advice > > So to what do you attribute the common type 44 rack failure? Does not fine > grit accelerate > wear? > > Chris > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Bernie Benz [mailto:b.m.benz@prodigy.net] >> Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 12:55 PM >> To: Audi 20V >> Subject: [audi20v] Re: PS Advice >> >> >> Chris, >> >> I've R&R'ed and overhauled the rack in a 5KTQ, a larger rack >> but probably >> just as tight, removal being the biggest PITA. IMO, too many >> beers, if you >> held that dirty, dripping rack over your head! >> >> I disagree with your subjective logic that somehow "changing >> Pentosin is >> cheap insurance". My belief is that all it really buys is >> "that warm, fuzzy >> feeling of a thinner wallet". Just topping up to replace >> normal hose and >> pump leakage is change enough. Any dirt or crud entrained in >> the fluid that >> will pass through the reservoir screen, will also pass right >> thru the rack >> without harm thereto, the pump being the more contamination critical >> component. But few pumps fail because of internal failure, >> usually just >> external leakage. >> >> Another contrarian opinion worth >.02 >> >> Bernie >> > From knotnook at traverse.com Tue Apr 3 16:05:07 2001 From: knotnook at traverse.com (Kneale Brownson) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:51 2003 Subject: [200q20v] 20V's and other cars, Epilogue In-Reply-To: <14.11f7560a.27faae3c@aol.com> Message-ID: <4.3.1.2.20010403145614.00b1def0@traverse.com> At 12:40 AM 04/03/2001 -0400, Tomsaudi200@aol.com wrote: >Well, I have certainly received many responses as to what other cars sit in >our respective stables. Not that I was at all surprised, but an overwhelming >majority of us own at least two Audi's, in some cases, you own several Audi's. If you drive an Audi, you need something else to drive while fixing/awaiting parts for your driver, so, owning several seems to be a natural result. That's why there are five...no, wait, it's now six...Audis in my yard. >The list owns Audi's that span nearly two decades. Some of you have modified >4000 Quattros, 5000 Turbo Quattros, which makes up for the 80's cars, the >others own S-series Audi's from the 90's. I admit I am in the minority since >other 1990's Audi is (regrettably) not an S-series car. Still, it impresses >me that owners of newer, faster S-series cars continue to hang on to the 200 >20V Quattro. Obviously the money is there for a more modern car, but I'd love >to hear from any of you as to what keeps the 200 in your driveway despite the >fact. We're NUTS. >Also, I would be remiss if I didn't comment on the muted VW fanatacism some >of you share. I can certainly understand it. My first car was an '82 >Scirocco; my wife and I later owned a '94 Jetta that was totalled in an >accident (which is when we bought the '95 90). Wow. My first car was a '53 Ford. My first wife and I got divorced after buying a 61 Beetle. She got the Beetle, I ended up with a fourth-hand NSU (Prinz?). >Some of you also mentioned the minivan or SUV of your spouse, the respective >family hauler, and there are a couple of you with some American muscle cars >too. Otherwise, you guys are diehard German car fans, I seem to be the lone >British car owner with my MG. I didn't list, but my yard also houses a Chebby Suburban, a one-ton dump truck, a Do-Mor 707 4X4 loader-grader tractor that "crabs" with four-wheel steering and a smaller diesel 4X4 tractor with a loader and rototiller. >Laziness on my behalf prevented me from putting together hard data, but I >think the above is a fair summary of what we drive. Thanks for your >participation! From C1J1Miller at aol.com Tue Apr 3 21:34:55 2001 From: C1J1Miller at aol.com (C1J1Miller@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:51 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Mt. Wash. June? Message-ID: <102.1417113.27fbc62f@aol.com> In a message dated 4/3/01 7:10:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Chewy4000@aol.com writes: > Anyone going to the climb to the clouds? > > I just checked there website, but it seams they dont have this coming > schedule up yet. > > Chewy The Northeast Region Quattro Club USA will sponsor an Audi corral at the base; I'll post to the list once details are finalized. Chris From sscalmanini at yahoo.com Tue Apr 3 15:26:26 2001 From: sscalmanini at yahoo.com (Scalmanini Steve) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:51 2003 Subject: [200q20v] default phone codes (was: re: voice activated phone fs) In-Reply-To: <001001c0bb27$42371a40$d97afea9@noone> Message-ID: <20010403212626.77700.qmail@web12408.mail.yahoo.com> Just turn on the power for the phone (press the PWR (?) key) and after a few seconds the phone will display loc'd (?). Dial the unlock code (factory default "123") and the phone will unlock itself; no need to press "send" or anything after simply dialing the unlock code. This is the usual procedure if the ignition is off, even if the phone is set to turn on with the ignition. (If it was on when the ignition was turned off, then it'll turn on when the ignition is next turned on.) Let me know if this works for you. Steve --- TM wrote: > Steve, > Do you know what the actual procedure is to unlock > the phone? I don't have the phone manual for my car. > > Taka > > -----Original Message----- > > I thought the factory default unlock code was "123" > and the "000000" was the default password to change > that unlock code and to reprogram the phone. > > Steve > > Sat, 24 Mar 2001 10:46:41 -0500 > > I seem to recall that "all zeros" is the factory > default code, unless you've changed it. > > Phil Rose > > At 10:14 AM -0500 3/24/01, TM wrote: > > ... my phone is on "lock" and I haven't the faintest > idea how to unlock it ... > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Tomsaudi200 at aol.com Wed Apr 4 01:30:22 2001 From: Tomsaudi200 at aol.com (Tomsaudi200@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:51 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Stalling,cont'd Message-ID: Thanks Mike, I'll give it a try, but according to what you're saying, it sounds like you are right on the money! Tom From dpulvino at agraus.com Tue Apr 3 22:39:44 2001 From: dpulvino at agraus.com (Derek Pulvino) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:51 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Inlet air temp sensor (and crush washers) Message-ID: Hey all, Just got had the check engine light come on in my car this morning; running faults gave me the inlet air temp sensor. Anybody else have any experience with this? Also noticed on my drive home this evening the car feeling sluggish and as mentioned before, not very smooth (in a previous post). As an ancilary, noticed the boost-o-meter, was only getting to 1.6 bar in 3rd. These seem to add up; any others with experience here? Derek Pulvino PS, Pete, as for crush washers, I've had luck getting them from my local wrench; he keeps a good supply on hand for vw/audi's, haven't been let down yet (except when he's closed). Likewise I imagine in a pinch, a local euro specialty shop would be a good place to look for these in the future. From calvinlc at earthlink.net Tue Apr 3 23:40:56 2001 From: calvinlc at earthlink.net (Calvin & Diana Craig) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:51 2003 Subject: [200q20v] What is Ur? and other dumb ?'s In-Reply-To: <200104032313.TAA09772@www.audifans.com> Message-ID: Tom, As far as the 1/4 mile & 0-60 times go. I think most, if not all of these are a LITTLE exaggeration for a stock 200. Chipped...that's another story. I'll describe each of the car's mentioned here as far as perf. goes. Ferrari 328 GTS C&D Review 0-60 5.6, 1/4 = 14.2@97 Corvette C&D Review (1986 model) 0-60 6.0, 1/4 = 14.5@95 Testarossa ran low 5 second 0-60 and mid 13 second 1/4's...quite an exaggeration. The Corvette's it totally depends on the year. 85-92 were low to mid 14's in the 1/4. 93-96 were high 13's...97 to present are low to mid 13's....mid 70's to 84 were low 15's (the only vette's I know of in the last 35 years that the 200 could keep up with). The thing is though, that none of these haul 4 adults, none of 'em do worth a damn in the snow and bring the Ferrari 328 or mid 80's corvette up here to Denver and I'll spank it's butt in the thin air :) I have done a few runs with the 200 and it does just about what R & T and C&D said it did...low 15's in the low 90's. However, even including one Trans Am that we built that skidpadded at just over 1.0 G's...I have NEVER owned another car (excluding the S4) that was as stable at 140 mph as the 200...simply incredible!!! The S4 I can accomplish high 14's in the 1/4 in stock trim. It's a bit of an exagerration on these cars that the articles say it can keep up with BUT it doesn't lessen the point that there are only a handful of sedans built in '91 that can keep up with the 200. --Calvin (1/4 mile junky) From Tomsaudi200 at aol.com Wed Apr 4 01:50:44 2001 From: Tomsaudi200 at aol.com (Tomsaudi200@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:51 2003 Subject: [200q20v] What is Ur? and other dumb ?'s Message-ID: Thanks for the clarification Calvin, Which brings me to my next question. Who was the competition back in '91? Going back that far, I'm not sure if BMW had introduced an M5 in the states since it's 1988 debut. I recall the Benz 500E, which was one stupendously fast sedan, but I don't know when it came out, and how the 200 20V stacks up against it. Any thoughts? Tom From C1J1Miller at aol.com Wed Apr 4 08:31:48 2001 From: C1J1Miller at aol.com (C1J1Miller@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:51 2003 Subject: [200q20v] What is Ur? and other dumb ?'s Message-ID: <3a.132eb387.27fc6025@aol.com> The reference to cars that the 200q20v can keep up with is directly from an Audi brochure, using factory published numbers. http://members.aol.com/c1j1miller/brochure.html Audi's performance numbers are not off from some of the magazine's reviews; for example, Sports Car International: http://members.aol.com/c1j1miller/sci-6-91.html gives a 0-60 of 6.13 and 1/4 of 14.78 @90.6mph. "On the dragstrip, the Audi 200 Quattro is one of the fastest accelerating luxury cars we have yet put through our track test regime. Only the BMW M5 beats it, and it may be argued that the BMW is realy a sport sedan heavier on the "sport" than the "sedan". Clutch slip seems to be the limiting factor, as the revs can be heard to climb, but the tires stay firmly hooked up. We launched at 4,500 rpm with the rear differential locked. The resulting 0-60 time of 6.13 seconds beats many a sports car, including the Nissan 300ZX, Pontiac Firebird Formula/GTA/Chevy Camaro 1LE, Eagle Talon TSi AWD, Ford Probe GT, Taurus SHO, Thunderbird SC, Mazda RX-7, Toyota MR2 Turbo, and the Porsche 8\944 S2. In such company, it handidly beats the Lexus LS400, Infinity Q45, and Jaguar XJ6. " The brochure from audi used numbers from Road and Track/Car and Driver's reviews of various model year cars... the Audi didn't beat the ferrari testarossa, but did beat the 1988 328 GTS; the audi didn't beat a corvette, but didn't trail it by much... You guys willing to replace clutches and possibly trannies? AWD at a launch can easily break things... You gave some performance numbers from your 200q; was that at altitide (Denver)? Remember that the turbo may add boost to keep similar HP levels, but there is more lag, so 1/4 mile and 0-60 numbers may suffer... Chris In a message dated Wed, 4 Apr 2001 12:43:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "Calvin & Diana Craig" writes: << Tom, As far as the 1/4 mile & 0-60 times go. I think most, if not all of these are a LITTLE exaggeration for a stock 200. Chipped...that's another story. I'll describe each of the car's mentioned here as far as perf. goes. Ferrari 328 GTS C&D Review 0-60 5.6, 1/4 = 14.2@97 Corvette C&D Review (1986 model) 0-60 6.0, 1/4 = 14.5@95 Testarossa ran low 5 second 0-60 and mid 13 second 1/4's...quite an exaggeration. The Corvette's it totally depends on the year. 85-92 were low to mid 14's in the 1/4. 93-96 were high 13's...97 to present are low to mid 13's....mid 70's to 84 were low 15's (the only vette's I know of in the last 35 years that the 200 could keep up with). The thing is though, that none of these haul 4 adults, none of 'em do worth a damn in the snow and bring the Ferrari 328 or mid 80's corvette up here to Denver and I'll spank it's butt in the thin air :) I have done a few runs with the 200 and it does just about what R & T and C&D said it did...low 15's in the low 90's. However, even including one Trans Am that we built that skidpadded at just over 1.0 G's...I have NEVER owned another car (excluding the S4) that was as stable at 140 mph as the 200...simply incredible!!! The S4 I can accomplish high 14's in the 1/4 in stock trim. It's a bit of an exagerration on these cars that the articles say it can keep up with BUT it doesn't lessen the point that there are only a handful of sedans built in '91 that can keep up with the 200. --Calvin (1/4 mile junky) _______________________________________________ 200q20v mailing list 200q20v@audifans.com http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v >> From t44tq at mindspring.com Wed Apr 4 20:54:07 2001 From: t44tq at mindspring.com (TM) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:51 2003 Subject: [200q20v] What is Ur? and other dumb ?'s In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000f01c0bd62$89463be0$d97afea9@noone> Tom, The funny thing is, there was no competition for the S4 or the 200q back in '92 and '91, respectively. The M5 was going for about $60k back then (significantly more than either Audi) and the 500E was a bit more- $65k, IIRC. The E34 M5 came out in '91 in the States. I believe the 500E came out in '92. Model years, that is. I don't remember when the cars actually hit the dealerships. I drove the E34 M5 in the spring of 1992 and it was a relatively new car at that time, I think. Neither Audi was pricewise in the same ballpark, nor was either car really in the same performance ballpark either. The Audis were significantly slower than the M5 and much cheaper. Taka From C1J1Miller at aol.com Wed Apr 4 22:45:56 2001 From: C1J1Miller at aol.com (C1J1Miller@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:51 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Parts kit available for "Bernie brace" front strut braces Message-ID: You may recall fellow lister Bernie Benz's design for a strut shaft to strut shaft front brace for the type 44 (100/200/5000) cars (see: http://members.aol.com/c1j1miller/strutbrace.html ) Back when Bernie first posted his idea to the list, there was a lot of interest and discussion. Bernie's had these installed on two cars, and seems quite pleased with the outcome. Fellow list member Dale McCormack took the initiative to find a machine shop, and coordinate the construction/purchase of the special parts needed to create these strut shaft braces. With my encouragement, he's willing to put these parts together in a package for interested listers. (Dale was kind enough to send me samples of the machined parts; they are very nice.) Here's the details; contact Dale, not me, if you're interested in these. --- EarlyBird Discount thru 4/30: There has been sufficient interest that ALL technical components (rod ends, jam nuts, strut adapter nuts) for your BernieBrace Strut Reinforcement Brace are packaged together. You will need to locally source (Home Depot, Ace Hardware, et.al.) approximately 40" of EMT thinwall (aka conduit) tubing and perform some "hand fitment" to complete the job. For you EarlyBirds, there's a 10% savings (until 4.30.01) too! DEDUCT it from the prices below. (Refunds will be sent to those overpaid.): Package Prices Postpaid (to one address): One car $70 $63 EarlyBird Two cars $125 $112.50 EarlyBird Additional car(s) $55 (NO EarlyBird Discount) Nevada residents add appropriate state tax Shipping: USA Insured Priority Mail INCLUDED International Orders Canada $3 additional ground $8 air UK & Europe $10 air Ordering: 1) email your order (dale@themccormacks.org) 2) make check or money order Payable and Mail to: Strategic Business Systems, Inc. 3885 S. Decatur, Suite 2010 Las Vegas, NV 89103 Yes, a website IS under development w/credit card convenience. Available soon, but don't wait for it. From pdowker at cisco.com Wed Apr 4 23:03:48 2001 From: pdowker at cisco.com (Peter Dowker) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:51 2003 Subject: [200q20v] 200 20V stalling Message-ID: <3ACBD284.D6917EF4@cisco.com> I have the same problem myself. Based on the pulled codes from the diagnostic computer - it's a low voltage issue. These cars have a chronic problem - poor alternator design and high load from Headlights,A/C, radio etc will reproduce your symptoms on my car - usually in the rain... I believe Avi Meron has a rebuilt alternator that seems to be the ticket - as usual, no problem that : time, money, and ingenuity can't solve. -- Regards, Peter Dowker 1991 200tq - still working the prop shaft bearing issues- From r-tav at concentric.net Wed Apr 4 11:28:31 2001 From: r-tav at concentric.net (Arthur) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:52 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Re: 20V's and other cars, epilogue In-Reply-To: <200104032310.TAA09626@www.audifans.com> Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.20010404102831.006ad3e8@pop3.concentric.net> Tom, You know, you're correct about keeping the 200 with so many other cars available. I really prefer to drive the '91 TQ wagon over my '93 S4, to the point that I'm considering selling the S4. The wagon is so smooth and quiet on the highway, and the speed is so subtle. The styling of the 20V wagon is excellent in my opinion and the utility of the car (bikes, skiis, labrador, hardware, etc) keeps everything inside - no roof rack. The car is a bit slow off the line, but once in 3rd, its pretty incredible. Mine's totally stock, and will easily go 100+ to the continental divide here in Colorado (I've done it). What a car! PS - I've also had 5 various VW's from bugs to GTI's. Good place to start before the move 'up' to Audi. Steve Arthur '91 200 TQ Wagon Metallic Grey/Black '93 S4 Pearl/Black At 07:10 PM 4/3/2001 -0400, you wrote: >Send 200q20v mailing list submissions to > 200q20v@audifans.com > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > 200q20v-request@audifans.com > >You can reach the person managing the list at > 200q20v-admin@audifans.com > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of 200q20v digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Blau wiring harness for new Bosches seems miswired (Charles Baer) > 2. Re: Blau wiring harness for new Bosches seems miswired (hah@srv.net) > 3. Re: Blau wiring harness for new Bosches seems miswired (C1J1Miller@aol.com) > 4. Re: RE : [200q20v]how do you like the IA stage 3? (Vztante@aol.com) > 5. Re: RE : [200q20v] 20V's and other cars (Charles Baer) > 6. [Fwd: Re: sources?] (copley one) > 7. RE: After-run fan. (Calvin & Diana Craig) > 8. empathies and apologies (Edward J Kellock) > 9. re: 20V's and other cars (Alex Lee) > 10. Re: empathies and apologies (C1J1Miller@aol.com) > 11. 20V's and other cars, Epilogue (Tomsaudi200@aol.com) > 12. What is Ur? and other dumb ?'s (Tomsaudi200@aol.com) > 13. Stalling,cont'd (Tomsaudi200@aol.com) > 14. Re: What is Ur? and other dumb ?'s (Nate Stuart) > 15. Washer Fluid Warning Light (Mike & Tanya Atkisson) > >--__--__-- > >Message: 1 >Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 10:17:18 -0600 >From: Charles Baer >Organization: Istari Technologies >To: 200q20v@audifans.com >Subject: [200q20v] Blau wiring harness for new Bosches seems miswired > >We had a sunny weekend here, I popped the new units in on Sunday. > >I missed the warning ( was there one ? ) about the euro units hitting >the battery jump terminal on the passenger side, among other issues. > >After finishing as the sun was going down, I began testing. The >normal beams seem OK, but the driver's high was dead. After going >back out in full dark to check out the road-going improvement of the >low beams ( wonderful! ), I noticed that it wasn't the driver side >city light that had been coming on, but the hi-beam at a low power. > >Since the lows seemed OK and they are good enough for normal highway >driving, I haven't yet futzed with this any more. I have to go back >in and change out a last minute add-on to deal with the wrong part >that Blau put in the harness for the city lights, they provided a >connector for and described a plug that didn't exist on my car. > >My question here is are the plug contact positions in the Bosch >assemblies the same on each side or mirror images ? The harness >instructions did not include a schematic and only mentioned that >the blue and brown wires should be at the top of the connector. > >I threw my Fluke in the glove box and might get a chance to diag >this for lunch today, but would appreciate any correct info that >would save me a bit of time. > >Charlie > >-- >Anyone who cannot cope with Mathematics is not fully human. At >best (he) is a tolerable sub-human who has learned to wear shoes, >bathe, and not make messes in the house. > - Lazarus Long > >--__--__-- > >Message: 2 >From: hah@srv.net >Subject: Re: [200q20v] Blau wiring harness for new Bosches seems miswired >To: Charles Baer >Cc: 200q20v@audifans.com >Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 11:15 +0100 > >>We had a sunny weekend here, I popped the new units in on Sunday. >> >>I missed the warning ( was there one ? ) about the euro units hitting >>the battery jump terminal on the passenger side, among other issues. >> >>After finishing as the sun was going down, I began testing. The >>normal beams seem OK, but the driver's high was dead. After going >>back out in full dark to check out the road-going improvement of the >>low beams ( wonderful! ), I noticed that it wasn't the driver side >>city light that had been coming on, but the hi-beam at a low power. >> >>Since the lows seemed OK and they are good enough for normal highway >>driving, I haven't yet futzed with this any more. I have to go back >>in and change out a last minute add-on to deal with the wrong part >>that Blau put in the harness for the city lights, they provided a >>connector for and described a plug that didn't exist on my car. >> >>My question here is are the plug contact positions in the Bosch >>assemblies the same on each side or mirror images ? The harness >>instructions did not include a schematic and only mentioned that >>the blue and brown wires should be at the top of the connector. >> >>I threw my Fluke in the glove box and might get a chance to diag >>this for lunch today, but would appreciate any correct info that >>would save me a bit of time. > >See http://www.sjmautotechnik.com/eurolght.html (yes, it's missing the "i" >in "light") - they are the same on each side. > >I'm not familiar with the Blau harness, but "city light instead of >highbeam" sure sounds like a mis-wired H4 to me. Ground and low/high >swapped, so high/low goes through both filaments? > >HTH >Henry Harper >http://www.srv.net/~hah >1991 200 quattro, 112k >1988 GTI 16v, 217k > >--__--__-- > >Message: 3 >From: C1J1Miller@aol.com >Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 13:20:45 EDT >Subject: Re: [200q20v] Blau wiring harness for new Bosches seems miswired >To: >Cc: <200q20v@audifans.com> > >I think the connections are the same from side to side; why make two connector parts? > >See this page for a detailed answer and pics to help you out: >http://www.sjmautotechnik.com/eurolght.html >Chris > > > >In a message dated Mon, 2 Apr 2001 1:09:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Charles Baer writes: > ><< We had a sunny weekend here, I popped the new units in on Sunday. > >I missed the warning ( was there one ? ) about the euro units hitting >the battery jump terminal on the passenger side, among other issues. > >After finishing as the sun was going down, I began testing. The >normal beams seem OK, but the driver's high was dead. After going >back out in full dark to check out the road-going improvement of the >low beams ( wonderful! ), I noticed that it wasn't the driver side >city light that had been coming on, but the hi-beam at a low power. > >Since the lows seemed OK and they are good enough for normal highway >driving, I haven't yet futzed with this any more. I have to go back >in and change out a last minute add-on to deal with the wrong part >that Blau put in the harness for the city lights, they provided a >connector for and described a plug that didn't exist on my car. > >My question here is are the plug contact positions in the Bosch >assemblies the same on each side or mirror images ? The harness >instructions did not include a schematic and only mentioned that >the blue and brown wires should be at the top of the connector. > >I threw my Fluke in the glove box and might get a chance to diag >this for lunch today, but would appreciate any correct info that >would save me a bit of time. > >Charlie > >-- >Anyone who cannot cope with Mathematics is not fully human. At >best (he) is a tolerable sub-human who has learned to wear shoes, >bathe, and not make messes in the house. > - Lazarus Long >_______________________________________________ >200q20v mailing list >200q20v@audifans.com >http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v > >> > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 4 >From: Vztante@aol.com >Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 13:34:40 EDT >To: MartinGG@aetna.com, Vztante@aol.com, 200q20v@audifans.com >Subject: [200q20v] Re: RE : [200q20v]how do you like the IA stage 3? > >I'm loving the extra oomph. It has made a very significant improvement >throughout the same power range. Ned Ritchie says that the torque comes on >strong at 2500 rpm. He doubts Audi's claim of the stock torque plateau >beginning at 1900 rpm. In other words, he said that with his chip, the >low-end kick is very close to or equally as low on the rpm band as on the >stock car. There isn't any difference according to my butt-o-meter. > >The added power is a kick. In fact, I keep trying to think of excuses for >"errand runs." The down side is that driving a serious sleeper may get me >into trouble. It's hard to resist surprising M3s, Mustangs and such when >given the all too infrequent opportunity. > >Ned uses his 200tq to tow his 450 hp 4000 race car to the track. He runs it >at higher boost, I believe with his stage 3+ or more (and different turbo?). >He'd be the guy to ask about which chip to use for such and such towing >capacity. He encouraged me to go with the Stage 3 verses the 3+, given that >the latter pushes the turbo to its maximum capacity, thus risking greater >wear and tear. The 2 programs are rated at 277-280 hp, with the 3+ adding >more to the mid-range without loss down low. > >HTH, > >Mitch Frey >'00 A6 2.7t >'91 200tq20v IA Stage 3 > >--__--__-- > >Message: 5 >Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 09:57:09 -0600 >From: Charles Baer >Organization: Istari Technologies >To: 200q20v@audifans.com >Subject: Re: RE : [200q20v] 20V's and other cars > >here be the current toys with wheels: > >'91 200q20v >'84 4000S Quat >'79 911SC (Euro lightweight,lowslung) >'68 Triumph GT6+ >'99 F250SD (Moby Dick!) >'91 CBR1000F > >--__--__-- > >Message: 6 >Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 16:54:49 -0400 >From: copley one >To: chris miller , > 200q20V mailing list <200q20v@audifans.com> >Subject: [200q20v] [Fwd: Re: sources?] > > > >-------- Original Message -------- >Subject: Re: sources? >Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 16:47:38 -0400 >From: Aaron Traussi >To: Copley One > >The only sources I have would only have a large amount about a hundred >but a >good source and online would be http://www.bellmetric.com/ as well they are >very "Euro" friendly > > >On 4/2/01 4:45 PM, "copley one" wrote: > >> Message: 13 >> Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 11:47:52 -0400 >> From: Peter Schulz >> Subject: Those elusive copper crush washers >> >> >> >> Found out the hard way this past weekend that it is best to start a job >> requiring crush washers with an extra supply... >> >> With the help of Chris Miller, I replaced the fuel pressure regulator on >> >> the 200...of course when I ordered the replacement part, I neglected to >> order the "sealing washers"..I hope to reuse the existing ones, which >> promptly leaked. Found a NAPA that helped us out by breaking open the >> package on a Bosch Fuel filter and giving us a set of washers. Of >> course >> this also did not seal the banjo bolt on the fuel rail...Went to two >> more >> parts places to no avail.... >> >> I decided to push my luck, clean the area around the fuel rail >> connection >> with a file and emory board, and reuse the washers - luckily it held w/o >> >> leaking fuel. I ran a few subsequent high boost runs to ensure that it >> was >> indeed tight. >> >> I will have to remove the washers again when I pull the injectors, but >> want >> to ensure that I have some extra washers on hand... which gets me to the >> >> point of this email... >> >> Other than the dealer, where can I get the myriad of crush washers that >> the >> cars need? In this case the FA called for an A12 x 15.5...???? >> >> John, Scott, anybody - source recommendations? >> >> TIA!!! >> >> Peter Schulz >> 1990 CQ >> 1991 200 20v TQW >> Chelmsford, MA USA >> peschulz@cisco.com >> >> >> > >--__--__-- > >Message: 7 >From: "Calvin & Diana Craig" >To: <200q20v@audifans.com> >Subject: RE: [200q20v] After-run fan. >Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 19:39:58 -0600 > >Does the same switch operate the after run fan as the turbo coolant pump? >If so, does this fan/pump not running cause the turbo to "bake" after hard >running in the winter time? >--Calvin > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 8 >To: MikeMilr@blackfoot.net >Cc: 200q20v@audifans.com >Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 19:42:55 -0600 >From: Edward J Kellock >Subject: [200q20v] empathies and apologies > >I believe that is my cue... > >I incorrectly attributed a post to Mike recently. >I have reviewed my sent mail and found that >there was no inconsistency in his empathy. >I apologize for my mistatement. > >Ed >Colorado Springs > >On Sun, 1 Apr 2001 22:37:33 -0600 "Mike Miller" >writes: >> >> mike miller >> with inconsistent empathy for owner/dealer problems >________________________________________________________________ >GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! >Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! >Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: >http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > >--__--__-- > >Message: 9 >From: "Alex Lee" >Subject: re: [200q20v] 20V's and other cars >To: 200q20v@audifans.com >Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 15:34:43 -0600 > > >Currently: > 91 200q20v sedan, pearl, 17X8 Speedline w/ 255/40-17 > 91 200q20v Avant, lago blue, 16X7 A6 wheels w/ 225/50-16 > 87 5000cstq Avant, pearl, Fuchs, IA chip + spring >Sold a month ago: > 86 5000cstq sedan, red, Fuchs > >-Alex Lee > San Jose, Calif. > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 10 >From: C1J1Miller@aol.com >Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 22:18:35 EDT >Subject: Re: [200q20v] empathies and apologies >To: ekellock@juno.com, MikeMilr@blackfoot.net >CC: 200q20v@audifans.com > >In a message dated 4/2/01 10:01:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >ekellock@juno.com writes: > >> I believe that is my cue... >> >> I incorrectly attributed a post to Mike recently. >> I have reviewed my sent mail and found that >> there was no inconsistency in his empathy. >> I apologize for my mistatement. >> >> Ed >> Colorado Springs >> >> On Sun, 1 Apr 2001 22:37:33 -0600 "Mike Miller" >> writes: >> > >> > mike miller >> > with inconsistent empathy for owner/dealer problems > >Hi Ed and Mike, >Was probably my post that Ed recalls, and since I'm also a Miller, not a hard >mistake for Ed to make. (I wasn't very sensitive to this unknown guy's >problem, mainly due to what I perceived as inconsistencies in his story about >buying a car without any oil in the crankcase). >Chris > >--__--__-- > >Message: 11 >From: Tomsaudi200@aol.com >Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 00:40:28 EDT >To: 200q20v@audifans.com >Subject: [200q20v] 20V's and other cars, Epilogue > >Well, I have certainly received many responses as to what other cars sit in >our respective stables. Not that I was at all surprised, but an overwhelming >majority of us own at least two Audi's, in some cases, you own several Audi's. > >The list owns Audi's that span nearly two decades. Some of you have modified >4000 Quattros, 5000 Turbo Quattros, which makes up for the 80's cars, the >others own S-series Audi's from the 90's. I admit I am in the minority since >other 1990's Audi is (regrettably) not an S-series car. Still, it impresses >me that owners of newer, faster S-series cars continue to hang on to the 200 >20V Quattro. Obviously the money is there for a more modern car, but I'd love >to hear from any of you as to what keeps the 200 in your driveway despite the >fact. > >Also, I would be remiss if I didn't comment on the muted VW fanatacism some >of you share. I can certainly understand it. My first car was an '82 >Scirocco; my wife and I later owned a '94 Jetta that was totalled in an >accident (which is when we bought the '95 90). > >Some of you also mentioned the minivan or SUV of your spouse, the respective >family hauler, and there are a couple of you with some American muscle cars >too. Otherwise, you guys are diehard German car fans, I seem to be the lone >British car owner with my MG. > >Laziness on my behalf prevented me from putting together hard data, but I >think the above is a fair summary of what we drive. Thanks for your >participation! > >Tom > >--__--__-- > >Message: 12 >From: Tomsaudi200@aol.com >Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 00:50:33 EDT >To: 200q20v@audifans.com >Subject: [200q20v] What is Ur? and other dumb ?'s > >Presenting the most ignorant question of the year.... > >I frequently see several of you pre-empt your car's model number with "Ur". >What does that stand for? I'm sorry for such a dumb question, but I have >never seen it explained. > >Have any of you read the car reviews on Chris Miller's home page? Granted, >most of them say it is a great car, which it is, but are the performance >figures quoted accurate? Copied on one of the reviews is a 0-60mph comparison >of the 200 20V with some pretty exotic company, including claims that the 200 >can beat out a Ferrari 328GTS to 60mph, amoung others. The accompanied >article states the 200 can keep pace on the 1/4 mile with a Vette and a >Testarossa. Is there any truth to this? > >I'd be a liar if I said I never put my foot to the floor of my car, and yes, >the car is very quick, but it doesn't feel like I can take on a Ferrari. Some >of you guys track your cars....ever come nose to nose with a car you'd never >expect to? Maybe the car is isolating me from the momentum, but is this thing >really as fast as it is claimed to be? > >Tom > >--__--__-- > >Message: 13 >From: Tomsaudi200@aol.com >Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 01:15:03 EDT >To: 200q20v@audifans.com >Subject: [200q20v] Stalling,cont'd > >For any of you who are still interested, I am actively taking notes on my >car's behavior as I prepare a visit to the dealer to hopefully put this >problem to rest. And to reiterate my previous point, I am not on some >witchhunt against my dealer; I just want this problem corrected, and to make >sure that I did not dump several hundreds of dollars into the car, out of my >pocket, for nothing. > >That said, the dealer indicated they wanted a mechanic to ride with me, to >see if I can replicate the problem for them. I am fearful that this will be >impossible to do. I have purposely tried to "simulate" situations in which I >think the car would stall, but any attempt I make on purpose fails. > >Some questions the dealer had was if the car makes any noise prior to the >stall. It doesn't. In fact, the stalling is so subdued that I only notice it >once the steering gets heavy, and I see the bank of idiot lights lit up. >Another question was if it happens when the car is cold. It can happen then, >and it can happen after I have been driving it for over an hour. > >What I have picked on is that it likes to stall upon sudden deceleration, >accompanied by a downshift. The one place I can almost count on my car >stalling out is entering the driveway to my company. If the light is green, I >am usually travelling at 35-45mph, turn left to cross the road, downshift >into 2nd, and then the engine dies. This is the one instance in which the car >consistently fails on me, and it is an especially dangerous place for it to >happen given the fast-moving traffic. > >This convinces me that somewhere in that engine there is a vacuum leak that >is reacting to a sudden loss of revs that shuts the engine down, or sucks out >enough air to cut the engine. > >Naturally, when I come to the dealer next week, I'll tell them the same >symptoms, but I thought I would share some more details on the circumstances >of the stalling to see what you guys thought. Thanks for bearing with me! > >Tom > >--__--__-- > >Message: 14 >From: "Nate Stuart" >To: , <200q20v@audifans.com> >Subject: Re: [200q20v] What is Ur? and other dumb ?'s >Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 01:45:10 -0400 > >> Presenting the most ignorant question of the year.... >> >> I frequently see several of you pre-empt your car's model number with >"Ur". >> What does that stand for? I'm sorry for such a dumb question, but I have >> never seen it explained. > >Ur means original in German. > >-Nate >'89 90q > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 15 >Reply-To: "Mike & Tanya Atkisson" >From: "Mike & Tanya Atkisson" >To: "200TQ20V List" <200q20v@audifans.com> >Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 15:06:05 +0200 >Subject: [200q20v] Washer Fluid Warning Light > >I just did a tune up on my car today. Cap, rotor, wires, spark plugs, >afterrun fan sensor, and the hydraulic system suction hose. >When I start the car now it tells me my washer fluid is low. I went and >added a gallon of fluid and it stills shows I am low. Is there anything >near where I was working that would go to the washer fluid warning system?? >Does anyone know where the sensor is on the fluid tank?? Since I have a >German spec car the Euro lights block most of the fluid tank and I can't see >the sensor. >I thought this is kind of weird......anyone else experience something like >this?? >Mike > > >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > >--__--__-- > >_______________________________________________ >200q20v mailing list >200q20v@audifans.com >http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v > > >End of 200q20v Digest > > From PeterBergin at aol.com Wed Apr 4 16:14:11 2001 From: PeterBergin at aol.com (PeterBergin@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:52 2003 Subject: [200q20v] summer tires? Message-ID: Hi guys, I am considering buying Bridgestone Potenza RE 950's for my 91 Avant (stock rims). Any BTDT's or recommendations? I live in Minnesota, with rough summer roads and a lot of rain. I do have separate snows. Can I go a little wider without getting taller? Looking forward to your feed back, Pete 91 Avant -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.audifans.com/pipermail/200q20v/attachments/20010404/80401c4d/attachment.htm From fundsaloracing at yahoo.com Wed Apr 4 14:07:15 2001 From: fundsaloracing at yahoo.com (Fundsalo Racing) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:52 2003 Subject: [200q20v] .25 ETs etc In-Reply-To: <3a.132eb387.27fc6025@aol.com> Message-ID: <20010404200715.71118.qmail@web13605.mail.yahoo.com> Sometimes a little clutch slippage can be your friend. Q driveline parts are not cheap.... A Centerforce dual-friction clutch might be a good upgrade for this type of werk? When .25ing my 85 ur-q I found the following launch technique worked best; open diffs both, bring revs up to launch RPM and hold (not as easy as it sounds), very gently let clutch out to take up all slack in the drive-line, only then release the clutch very agressively so as to spin the front tires relieveing a lot of the shock to the driveline and saving the clutch. Really love the feel when the steering gets light as those big front tires break loose! Have not (yet) abused the 200q20v in a similar manner, only got one run down the .25, first ever in this car and car was pure stock. Launch was very poor due to excess RPM and my shifting was far from optimal. Sure surprised that 5.0 rustang though! :) Data: location: NED (New England Dragway, Epping, NH, USA) date: 4/7/99 time: 1810H mileage: 127,620 car #: 168 lane: right R/T: .840 (poor) 60': 2.101 (not bad) 330': 6.235 1/8: 9.689 MPH: 71.74 1000: 12.618 1/4: 15.082 (yeah - 14s are easily in reach!) MPH: 91.25 (yeah, 95 MPH is also in reach) Will be making additional 'tests' this spring with both the 200q20v mit Stage III+ and well as with the ur-q mit KUQEFH once I get the pop-off valve installed. Anyone up for a Quattro Challenge (Tm) at NED when the snopack melts? -glen OOOO __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From brett at brettd.dsl.speakeasy.net Wed Apr 4 17:10:14 2001 From: brett at brettd.dsl.speakeasy.net (Brett Dikeman) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:52 2003 Subject: [200q20v] vanity Message-ID: is when you have both the domain name and the plate :-) I was tempted by a variety of other choices that were available: "20VT"(and variants) "HAUDI"(and backwards variant) etc. "PRSCHSDN" was tempting, too. On a side note, Safelite glass just gave me a quote for replacing my windshield, which has been cracked for ages now. "Hoooboy. That's got a moulding on it. This one's gonna hurt. $736." That's for the official, honest to god factory glass; generic glass is 2-something. My current windshield is a generic, and the whole thing is garbage; the seal's wrong(too fat, bulges out), the chrome is cheap(uneven/wavy surface) etc. "Oh, I was expecting more like $100-150" "Yhea, right, that's South Bronx prices." "'Borrowed' from one car by the installer, installed in another, right?" He chuckles.."you got it..." Brett '91 200q20v, NY plates "200Q20V"(I guess this is the opposite of blurring your plates, right? :-) www.200q20v.com From charlie at istari.com Wed Apr 4 16:22:39 2001 From: charlie at istari.com (Charles Baer) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:52 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Bosch headlights with Blau harness Message-ID: <3ACB909F.569E1EA6@istari.com> Just wanted to post a note about my Bosch installation using the pre-wired harness from Blau. The paper with the harness indicated that the blue and brown wires should be UP when connected to the installed headlamp units. The drivers side that was not working properly on high beams had its connectors rotated 180 degrees from the positions on the passenger side. I don't know if that is normal on the these units or the socket was miswired or twisted while the factory glue was curing or whatever bizarre reason. The plug bodies of the harness were shaved down either to fit or remove outside keying material, so flipping one over to match the unit pinout was no problem. Blau sent a modified relay to exchange for the standard dead bulb monitor. Since there are relays in the system now, the control unit can't detect a problem anyhow, but I'm going to try dummy loads in the dangling passenger connector instead of using the modified part. Charlie From Alan.Cordeiro at mts.com Wed Apr 4 17:23:10 2001 From: Alan.Cordeiro at mts.com (Cordeiro, Alan) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:52 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Serious driving experience, but in the passenger seat Message-ID: I spent about 6 hours at the Porsche design center in Weissach today. We met with about eight engineers and managers, talks went very well all morning. We were treated to lunch in their beautiful cafeteria, and as we were rounding up closing action items and packing up we were looking out the window on the third floor watching the cars on the test track at the back of the center grounds. The manager who was our host asked if any of us would be interested in going for a couple of laps on the 0.5 km test track. Our German sales person visits them twice a month, has BDTD, but I volunteered IMMEDIATELY. The manager took me in his personal Carrera (a mere 300 HP) to a rest point on the track where he asked one of the test track drivers to take me around. The driver spoke excellent English. He has been doing this for 25 years. He was testing a 425 HP turbo flat six, fat 30 series P-zeros, large wing on the back.. Its amazing how fast such a car can go on a twisting track when someone who knows the track, and the limits of the car, is driving ( no, visitors are NOT allowed to drive..) I was given three laps, full acceleration between corners, and full braking at the last minute, with controlled wheel side out of the corner. More than a few times I wondered if we would make the corner. When we stopped, there was a strong smell from the brakes and tires. I was told later that sometimes tires only last a few hours Saw two SUVs, one up close, one on the track, quite large, bigger than the X-5, and all I can tell you is that they will be "high performance". We asked if they were secret, but were told it would be OK to mention them as long as we were vague about performance. We leave very early tomorrow morning for Munich, I am in Stuttgart right now, to visit two well known companies there. And yes, the second company we visit right after lunch is located in Ingolstadt... Just had to tell someone... Alan From C1J1Miller at aol.com Thu Apr 5 00:34:08 2001 From: C1J1Miller at aol.com (C1J1Miller@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:52 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Bosch headlights with Blau harness Message-ID: In a message dated 4/4/01 11:07:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, charlie@istari.com writes: > Blau sent a modified relay to exchange for the standard dead bulb > monitor. Since there are relays in the system now, the control unit > can't detect a problem anyhow, but I'm going to try dummy loads in > the dangling passenger connector instead of using the modified part. > > > Charlie Simplest fix is to cut one wire from behind the bulb monitor relay; if you want to return to stock at some point, splice the wire. If you can't figure out that one bulb is out without the monitor... Chris From calvinlc at earthlink.net Wed Apr 4 22:43:37 2001 From: calvinlc at earthlink.net (Calvin & Diana Craig) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:52 2003 Subject: [200q20v] What is Ur? and other dumb ?'s In-Reply-To: <3a.132eb387.27fc6025@aol.com> Message-ID: Chris, Those numbers were at altitude, however, the R&T magazine I have a copy of has a road test at 0-60 of 7.2 and 1/4 of 15.4@88.5 mph. This is very similar to the Taurus SHO (I've owned both) and at sea level the two were very comparable. I know that I am running a little slower at altitude than I would at sea level but when I look at the R&T test it seems to be right on. As far as the GTS goes I guess I find it hard to believe that they got slower from '86 to '88. I always loved the opportunity to race these relatively slow Ferarris because they were easy pickings and usually thoroughly embarassed the owners in my '78 (a little modified)Camaro :) No question the times will vary by driver but the MPH should be relatively stable. MPH at the end of 1/4 mile is usually very immune (i.e. no more than about 1-2mph) with launches, etc. Was the one tested in Sports Car Intl. a German model, were there any differences?? I would imagine that they may be a little lighter, less emissions control maybe??? I don't know enough about that, but I'm sure one of you guys do. Has anyone out there run a sub 15-second 1/4 with a bone stock 200? Regardless of times, the thing that I find most amazing about the 20 valves is the constant pull over the RPM range, for a T-charged engine it is unbelievable. It changed me into a believer 2.5 years ago that you can build a responsive turbocharged engine. --Calvin -----Original Message----- From: C1J1Miller@aol.com [mailto:C1J1Miller@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 5:32 AM To: calvinlc@earthlink.net Cc: 200q20v@audifans.com Subject: RE: [200q20v] What is Ur? and other dumb ?'s The reference to cars that the 200q20v can keep up with is directly from an Audi brochure, using factory published numbers. http://members.aol.com/c1j1miller/brochure.html Audi's performance numbers are not off from some of the magazine's reviews; for example, Sports Car International: http://members.aol.com/c1j1miller/sci-6-91.html gives a 0-60 of 6.13 and 1/4 of 14.78 @90.6mph. "On the dragstrip, the Audi 200 Quattro is one of the fastest accelerating luxury cars we have yet put through our track test regime. Only the BMW M5 beats it, and it may be argued that the BMW is realy a sport sedan heavier on the "sport" than the "sedan". Clutch slip seems to be the limiting factor, as the revs can be heard to climb, but the tires stay firmly hooked up. We launched at 4,500 rpm with the rear differential locked. The resulting 0-60 time of 6.13 seconds beats many a sports car, including the Nissan 300ZX, Pontiac Firebird Formula/GTA/Chevy Camaro 1LE, Eagle Talon TSi AWD, Ford Probe GT, Taurus SHO, Thunderbird SC, Mazda RX-7, Toyota MR2 Turbo, and the Porsche 8\944 S2. In such company, it handidly beats the Lexus LS400, Infinity Q45, and Jaguar XJ6. " The brochure from audi used numbers from Road and Track/Car and Driver's reviews of various model year cars... the Audi didn't beat the ferrari testarossa, but did beat the 1988 328 GTS; the audi didn't beat a corvette, but didn't trail it by much... You guys willing to replace clutches and possibly trannies? AWD at a launch can easily break things... You gave some performance numbers from your 200q; was that at altitide (Denver)? Remember that the turbo may add boost to keep similar HP levels, but there is more lag, so 1/4 mile and 0-60 numbers may suffer... Chris In a message dated Wed, 4 Apr 2001 12:43:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "Calvin & Diana Craig" writes: << Tom, As far as the 1/4 mile & 0-60 times go. I think most, if not all of these are a LITTLE exaggeration for a stock 200. Chipped...that's another story. I'll describe each of the car's mentioned here as far as perf. goes. Ferrari 328 GTS C&D Review 0-60 5.6, 1/4 = 14.2@97 Corvette C&D Review (1986 model) 0-60 6.0, 1/4 = 14.5@95 Testarossa ran low 5 second 0-60 and mid 13 second 1/4's...quite an exaggeration. The Corvette's it totally depends on the year. 85-92 were low to mid 14's in the 1/4. 93-96 were high 13's...97 to present are low to mid 13's....mid 70's to 84 were low 15's (the only vette's I know of in the last 35 years that the 200 could keep up with). The thing is though, that none of these haul 4 adults, none of 'em do worth a damn in the snow and bring the Ferrari 328 or mid 80's corvette up here to Denver and I'll spank it's butt in the thin air :) I have done a few runs with the 200 and it does just about what R & T and C&D said it did...low 15's in the low 90's. However, even including one Trans Am that we built that skidpadded at just over 1.0 G's...I have NEVER owned another car (excluding the S4) that was as stable at 140 mph as the 200...simply incredible!!! The S4 I can accomplish high 14's in the 1/4 in stock trim. It's a bit of an exagerration on these cars that the articles say it can keep up with BUT it doesn't lessen the point that there are only a handful of sedans built in '91 that can keep up with the 200. --Calvin (1/4 mile junky) _______________________________________________ 200q20v mailing list 200q20v@audifans.com http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v >> From C1J1Miller at aol.com Thu Apr 5 00:57:53 2001 From: C1J1Miller at aol.com (C1J1Miller@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:52 2003 Subject: [200q20v] What is Ur? and other dumb ?'s Message-ID: <9a.12744bad.27fd4741@aol.com> In a message dated 4/4/01 11:44:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, calvinlc@earthlink.net writes: > Chris, > Those numbers were at altitude, however, the R&T magazine I have a copy of > has a road test at 0-60 of 7.2 and 1/4 of 15.4@88.5 mph. This is very > similar to the Taurus SHO (I've owned both) and at sea level the two were > very comparable. I know that I am running a little slower at altitude than > I would at sea level but when I look at the R&T test it seems to be right > on. Is that the R&T review of 12/90? They were not very specific about how they tested the car; sounds like they tested it on the streets of San Francisco, not a closed track with 5th wheel. http://members.aol.com/c1j1miller/rt-12-90.html Look at the C&D test, for example; " During all-out acceleration from a standing start, the tires put it to the pavement. Also to the clutch, to its smelly detriment. Our test car showed signs of battle when we picked it up with 7000 miles on its odo: a scarred wheel rim, a plastic brake-cooling scoop shorn loose by violent abrasion, a drivetrain less silky than those in the 200s we previewed in Colorado (C/D, November 1990). Abuse may also have contributed to the engine-warning light flashing on; the engine's diagnostic memory fingered a temperature sensor in the intake tract and confirmed it as intermittant. Audi of America had Gregg Motors in Santa Barbara immediately replace the sensor (though we wondered later if it might simply have been jarred loose by the earlier hammering). In any case, hammering the throttle and the slippy clutch produced a 0-60-mph time of 6.8 seconds - very quick, but three-tenths shy of Audi's claim." slippy clutch and a temp sensor problem? As far as the GTS goes I guess I find it hard to believe that they got > slower from '86 to '88. Emissions? Bad example? Talk to C&D or R&T or whoever did the two tests. I always loved the opportunity to race these > relatively slow Ferarris because they were easy pickings and usually > thoroughly embarassed the owners in my '78 (a little modified)Camaro :) No > question the times will vary by driver but the MPH should be relatively > stable. MPH at the end of 1/4 mile is usually very immune (i.e. no more > than about 1-2mph) with launches, etc. Was the one tested in Sports Car > Intl. a German model, were there any differences?? I would imagine that > they may be a little lighter, less emissions control maybe??? I think SCI is based in California. I don't know > enough about that, but I'm sure one of you guys do. Has anyone out there > run a sub 15-second 1/4 with a bone stock 200? Regardless of times, the > thing that I find most amazing about the 20 valves is the constant pull over > the RPM range, for a T-charged engine it is unbelievable. It changed me > into a believer 2.5 years ago that you can build a responsive turbocharged > engine. > --Calvin From Tomsaudi200 at aol.com Wed Apr 4 21:21:16 2001 From: Tomsaudi200 at aol.com (Tomsaudi200@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:52 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Stalling: EUREKA! Message-ID: If I remember who told me to try getting the car at or near full boost, then drop the clutch and see what happens, I'd buy you a beer! I was on a straight stretch of highway at rush hour tonight, saw an opening, floored it, got to 1.5 bar, and pressed in the clutch, and viola, it stalled. This should help greatly when I take the car back to the dealer, or in the very least, help me recreate the problem for them if need be. Thanks! Tom From MikeMilr at blackfoot.net Thu Apr 5 00:53:53 2001 From: MikeMilr at blackfoot.net (Mike Miller) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:52 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Stalling: EUREKA! References: Message-ID: <004b01c0bd94$cced7f20$f422200c@lcs1> You're welcome, Tom!! Glad it worked :-) mike ----- Original Message ----- From: To: <200q20v@audifans.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 6:21 PM Subject: [200q20v] Stalling: EUREKA! > If I remember who told me to try getting the car at or near full boost, then > drop the clutch and see what happens, I'd buy you a beer! > > I was on a straight stretch of highway at rush hour tonight, saw an opening, > floored it, got to 1.5 bar, and pressed in the clutch, and viola, it stalled. > > This should help greatly when I take the car back to the dealer, or in the > very least, help me recreate the problem for them if need be. > > Thanks! > Tom > _______________________________________________ > 200q20v mailing list > 200q20v@audifans.com > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v > From fundsaloracing at yahoo.com Thu Apr 5 06:11:06 2001 From: fundsaloracing at yahoo.com (Fundsalo Racing) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:52 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Bosch headlights with Blau harness In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010405121106.76333.qmail@web13601.mail.yahoo.com> Even simpler, remove the relay and bend the pin, 'K' I think it is, over 90 degrees and re-insert the relay. Bassoon! Super simple and easily reversible, BTDT. -glen OOOO __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From fundsaloracing at yahoo.com Thu Apr 5 06:34:11 2001 From: fundsaloracing at yahoo.com (Fundsalo Racing) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:52 2003 Subject: [200q20v] What competition??? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010405123411.41200.qmail@web13603.mail.yahoo.com> There was no competition back in 91 - none of the cars listed below had AWD. -glen OOOO --- Tomsaudi200@aol.com wrote: > Thanks for the clarification Calvin, > > Which brings me to my next question. Who was the > competition back in '91? > Going back that far, I'm not sure if BMW had > introduced an M5 in the states > since it's 1988 debut. I recall the Benz 500E, which > was one stupendously > fast sedan, but I don't know when it came out, and > how the 200 20V stacks up > against it. Any thoughts? > > Tom > _______________________________________________ > 200q20v mailing list > 200q20v@audifans.com > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From brett at brettd.dsl.speakeasy.net Thu Apr 5 16:29:52 2001 From: brett at brettd.dsl.speakeasy.net (Brett Dikeman) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:52 2003 Subject: [200q20v] glass replacement tip Message-ID: Just a tip...this shop, unlike the last, taped two pieces of tape from the top of the car to the glass. "Yhea, that's why the old glass was so low. They didn't tape it, and it slid down before the adhesive set. Leave the tape on for a day or so." They mangled a cover chrome clip in the middle at the bottom; I pointed it out, and asked them to fix it. They got a new clip and put it in, but it looks kind of half-baked; not very flush/tight, so I'm a little annoyed about that, but I'll live; the chrome at first look appeared much better than the last replacement windshield. Total came to $300-ish for generic glass, including labor, NY sales tax, etc. Brett From brett at brettd.dsl.speakeasy.net Thu Apr 5 16:29:52 2001 From: brett at brettd.dsl.speakeasy.net (Brett Dikeman) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:52 2003 Subject: [200q20v] glass replacement tip Message-ID: Just a tip...this shop, unlike the last, taped two pieces of tape from the top of the car to the glass. "Yhea, that's why the old glass was so low. They didn't tape it, and it slid down before the adhesive set. Leave the tape on for a day or so." They mangled a cover chrome clip in the middle at the bottom; I pointed it out, and asked them to fix it. They got a new clip and put it in, but it looks kind of half-baked; not very flush/tight, so I'm a little annoyed about that, but I'll live; the chrome at first look appeared much better than the last replacement windshield. Total came to $300-ish for generic glass, including labor, NY sales tax, etc. Brett From rberlin at feltonberlin.com Thu Apr 5 11:47:33 2001 From: rberlin at feltonberlin.com (Richard E. Berlin, Jr.) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:52 2003 Subject: [200q20v] RE: 200q20v digest, Vol 1 #331 - 13 msgs In-Reply-To: <200104050053.UAA08623@www.audifans.com> Message-ID: Hi CB, I'm fine; newh ouse is really coming along, and I'm off to UVA tomorrow for the weekend. Craig and Uncle Andy are spending the night with me tonight as a warm-up to the big re-visit tomorrow. Can't wait to see you and Fred. I'll call Sunday night! xoxo, Richard -----Original Message----- From: 200q20v-admin@audifans.com [mailto:200q20v-admin@audifans.com]On Behalf Of 200q20v-request@audifans.com Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 8:54 PM To: 200q20v@audifans.com Subject: 200q20v digest, Vol 1 #331 - 13 msgs Send 200q20v mailing list submissions to 200q20v@audifans.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to 200q20v-request@audifans.com You can reach the person managing the list at 200q20v-admin@audifans.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of 200q20v digest..." From pwpetersen at earthlink.net Thu Apr 5 10:33:53 2001 From: pwpetersen at earthlink.net (Peter Petersen) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:52 2003 Subject: [200q20v] (no subject) Message-ID: Hey Brett: I just had my windshield replaced and it cost me nothing. Good'ol insurance allows a replacement every so often as part of the basic plan. If you call your agent they can tell you a) if you have the coverage and b) if it will affect your rates. I had a $200 deductable but by calling around I found a company willing to do it at no cost to me. It is so nice to have glass I can see through again. Pete 91 200 96 KTM 620 pwpetersen@earthlink.net From Charlie at DCSi.com Thu Apr 5 10:53:08 2001 From: Charlie at DCSi.com (Charles Baer) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:52 2003 Subject: [200q20v] RE: 200 20V stalling Message-ID: <41F83F3C4394D1119CEB006097C114523260CF@kool.dcsi.com> Does your tach drop to 200rpm for a moment while just sitting waiting for the light to turn green ? I get this bounce from time to time and I think the stalls are the more severe instances of the same problem, probably aggravated by a fast drop to idle, and maybe also involving the bypass valve. I seriously doubt that the bypass valve is the complete cure, since the dynamics of its function are pretty quiescent while sitting at idle. Of course that doesn't mean there are multiple problems. I specifically asked the shop to check the bypass during the post-buy inspection three weeks ago, I'm not ruling it out as a problem even though they said it was OK. I haven't diagnosed anything yet and I expect this weekend will go towards retrieving my 915 gearbox from my old mechanic up in the hills. That leaves the rest of the summer to pave the mud patch I jokingly call a driveway, build a garage ( tired of installing trannies in the snow ), and deal with the page of repairs the inspecting shop gave me for the 200q, WHEEEEE!! Charlie > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Dowker [mailto:pdowker@cisco.com] > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 8:04 PM > To: Charles Baer > Cc: Audi 200q List > Subject: 200 20V stalling > > > I have the same problem myself. Based on the pulled codes from the > diagnostic computer - it's a low voltage issue. These cars have a > chronic problem - poor alternator design and high load from > Headlights,A/C, radio etc will reproduce your symptoms on my car - > usually in the rain... > > I believe Avi Meron has a rebuilt alternator that seems to be > the ticket > - as usual, no problem that : time, money, and ingenuity can't solve. > > -- > Regards, > > Peter Dowker > 1991 200tq > - still working the prop shaft bearing issues- > From charlie at istari.com Thu Apr 5 12:34:55 2001 From: charlie at istari.com (Charles Baer) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:52 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Parts kit available for "Bernie brace" front strut braces References: Message-ID: <3ACCACBF.924A23C3@istari.com> I think I missed the start of this and most of the discussion. What research/analysis was done to assure adopters of this design that the bolt that was put there by the Audi engineers to handle downward pull by the strut will survive lateral stresses caused by this bar ? I checked the tower webs on my 200q20v when I first saw it. I am definitely going to put in a brace, and this design was along the lines of what I was thinking of making. The potential stress on the center bolt made me want to fit a plate to the outer bolts instead, but that is a lot more work. Charlie C1J1Miller@aol.com wrote: > > You may recall fellow lister Bernie Benz's design for a strut shaft to strut > shaft front brace for the type 44 (100/200/5000) cars (see: > http://members.aol.com/c1j1miller/strutbrace.html ) > > Back when Bernie first posted his idea to the list, there was a lot of > interest and discussion. Bernie's had these installed on two cars, and seems > quite pleased with the outcome. > > Fellow list member Dale McCormack took the initiative to find a machine shop, > and coordinate the construction/purchase of the special parts needed to > create these strut shaft braces. With my encouragement, he's willing to put > these parts together in a package for interested listers. > (Dale was kind enough to send me samples of the machined parts; they are very > nice.) > > Here's the details; contact Dale, not me, if you're interested in these. > --- > EarlyBird Discount thru 4/30: > > There has been sufficient interest that ALL technical > components (rod > ends, jam nuts, strut adapter nuts) for your BernieBrace Strut > Reinforcement Brace are packaged > together. You will > need to locally source (Home Depot, Ace Hardware, et.al.) > approximately > 40" of EMT thinwall (aka conduit) tubing and perform some > "hand fitment" > to complete the job. > > For you EarlyBirds, there's a 10% savings (until 4.30.01) > too! DEDUCT > it from the prices below. (Refunds will be sent to those > overpaid.): > > Package Prices Postpaid (to one address): > One car $70 > $63 EarlyBird > Two cars $125 > $112.50 EarlyBird > Additional car(s) $55 (NO > EarlyBird Discount) > Nevada residents add appropriate state tax > > Shipping: > USA > Insured Priority Mail INCLUDED > International Orders > Canada $3 additional > ground $8 air > UK & Europe $10 air > > Ordering: > 1) email your order (dale@themccormacks.org) > 2) make check or money order Payable and Mail to: > Strategic Business Systems, Inc. > 3885 S. Decatur, Suite 2010 > Las Vegas, NV 89103 > > Yes, a website IS under development w/credit card > convenience. > Available soon, but don't wait for it. > _______________________________________________ > 200q20v mailing list > 200q20v@audifans.com > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v -- Anyone who cannot cope with Mathematics is not fully human. At best (he) is a tolerable sub-human who has learned to wear shoes, bathe, and not make messes in the house. - Lazarus Long From malth at umich.edu Thu Apr 5 16:03:45 2001 From: malth at umich.edu (Chris Covington) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:52 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Stalling: EUREKA! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Why don't you just change the Turbo bypass valve yourself? It takes about a half hour and costs $40.. and alleviates all whining. Even I could, and did, do that... Chris '91 2cq On Wed, 4 Apr 2001 Tomsaudi200@aol.com wrote: > If I remember who told me to try getting the car at or near full boost, then > drop the clutch and see what happens, I'd buy you a beer! > > I was on a straight stretch of highway at rush hour tonight, saw an opening, > floored it, got to 1.5 bar, and pressed in the clutch, and viola, it stalled. > > This should help greatly when I take the car back to the dealer, or in the > very least, help me recreate the problem for them if need be. > > Thanks! > Tom > _______________________________________________ > 200q20v mailing list > 200q20v@audifans.com > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v > From brettd at speakeasy.net Thu Apr 5 21:22:17 2001 From: brettd at speakeasy.net (Brett Dikeman) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:52 2003 Subject: [200q20v] ADMIN: lists up Message-ID: For a few hours, a stale lock file kept mail from getting delivered to all lists; this particular lock file keeps multiple copies of a mailman subprogram from running(this program runs every 5 minutes and is integral to delivery.) It will be quite some time before all mail that's backed up is delivered. The system is going through all the queues for several lists, each with its own backed up mail from mid-morning onwards. Remember, don't email the list with test messages during these outages; they only make the problem worse when things get running again :-) If you can, please try to cut down on mailings to the list for the next few hours...though you folks may not get this message for several hours(it's 8:30pm EST), so oh well :-) Brett #2 geek-in-residence 200q20v listmaster From MTrank at exch.co.albemarle.va.us Thu Apr 5 16:53:58 2001 From: MTrank at exch.co.albemarle.va.us (Mark Trank) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:52 2003 Subject: [200q20v] venerable 200qs Message-ID: Just ran into a gentleman outside my office whose pearl 200q20v caught my eye...car has 250k miles on it! He told me that he had an identical 91 that he put comparable miles on before selling it. Seems he is retired and travels a great deal, mainly by auto! Also has a 99 A6 at home but, as he put it, "sure isn't the same car that this one is!" Nice to see one of ours going strong (a bit faded, perhaps, but after 250k+ on the road, why not?) at that point. Mark 91 200q20v 86k miles (a mere babe in the woods) From John.Chaplen at us.wmmercer.com Thu Apr 5 16:48:44 2001 From: John.Chaplen at us.wmmercer.com (Chaplen, John ) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:52 2003 Subject: [200q20v] What competition??? Message-ID: Hey anyone think any of these cars can beat us in 0-60 in the snow... (or even rain for that matter) -----Original Message----- From: Fundsalo Racing [mailto:fundsaloracing@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 5:34 AM To: Tomsaudi200@aol.com; calvinlc@earthlink.net; 200q20v@audifans.com Subject: Re: [200q20v] What competition??? There was no competition back in 91 - none of the cars listed below had AWD. -glen OOOO --- Tomsaudi200@aol.com wrote: > Thanks for the clarification Calvin, > > Which brings me to my next question. Who was the > competition back in '91? > Going back that far, I'm not sure if BMW had > introduced an M5 in the states > since it's 1988 debut. I recall the Benz 500E, which > was one stupendously > fast sedan, but I don't know when it came out, and > how the 200 20V stacks up > against it. Any thoughts? > > Tom > _______________________________________________ > 200q20v mailing list > 200q20v@audifans.com > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! 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Thank you for your cooperation. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From auditude at neta.com Thu Apr 5 18:51:17 2001 From: auditude at neta.com (Ken Keith) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:52 2003 Subject: [200q20v] eurolight wiring Message-ID: <3ACCB095.10045.24E2F32@localhost> Regarding a recent post about installing Type 44 eurolights: My eurolights were the same, the driver side connector was upside down. A real head scratcher until you figure it out. I couldn't find my post, "5kcstq eurolight first impressions", on the Google search on Audifans.com. Are the mailman archives not searchable or something? Thanks, Ken From b.m.benz at prodigy.net Thu Apr 5 18:13:04 2001 From: b.m.benz at prodigy.net (Bernie Benz) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:52 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Drive Shaft Problems In-Reply-To: <3ACC7BB0.22E49DB3@cisco.com> Message-ID: Hi Peter, Is that 1/4" play axial or radial? I have overhauled drive shafts on several 5KQs, but as yet not on my 200Q nor the 90Q, only because the exhaust systems on both are almost toast and could not be removed without total distruction. Soon to be replaced though. On my first 5K many years ago, I replaced the center bearing with one for a Ford Ranger, but I expect that using the BMW bearing would be slightly easier. This center bearing alignment, both axial and radial, is critical when replacing the drive shaft. I have developed my own straight edge alignment technique for the two plane radial adjustment of this center bearing, thus avoiding the need for Audi's special tool. The front CV joint is subject to much heat from the exhaust pipe, and needs a shield. Over time, 100K miles, the joint grease fries hard, causing joint problems. I've always been able to save this joint by r&r, cleaning, and relubing. A suitable shield is easily made, using a piece of flat sheet metal held to, and just off of the exhaust pipe by two muffler clamps. Add this shield when you are working in the area. Here is an interesting and simple procedure that I developed, not previously disclosed, to test the relative alignment of the engine and rear end, while the drive shaft is removed. In doing this, I found that Audi apparently does absolutely no such alignment, and thus relies totally on the CV joints to mask gross missalignments. Further, correcting this engine/rear end missalignment really smooths out the drive train viberation, rumble and noise under high torque loads. Here is the rational and procedure. Optimumly, the rotational axis of the transmission output shaft should be congruent with the rotational axis of the rear differential input shaft. A basic chassis design objective, the CV joints being used only to handle engine, tranny and rear end rubber mount dynamic deflection errors. This shaft alignment can be easily tested to a high degree of angular accuracy, and not quite so easily corrected, with the drive shaft removed, as follows: Stretch a string between the tranny and rear end CV flanges, such that it is tangent to the OD of each flange. To check alignment in the vertical plane, rotate the flanges such that the string is on the bottom of the flanges in the vertical plane through the shaft center lines. For the horizontal plane, the string wants to be in the plane of the horizontal shaft CLs. Now, using a machinest's 12" blade tri-square, reference the base of the square on the flange face and note/measure the error at the 12" end of the blade to the string. Do this for each flange in both the H and V planes. Now, all you need to do is to move the engine/tranny and/or the rear end such as to eliminate these alignment errors. In one case, I have had to rotate the engine/tranny on its vertical axis, and rotate the rear end on its horizontal axis to correct angular errors that measured as much as 1/4" in the 12"! This procedure is exactly what one must do if one is using a rigid coupling shaft between driving and driven machinery components. Are we having fun yet! Go for it! Bernie > From: Peter Dowker > Organization: Cisco Systems, Inc. > Reply-To: pdowker@cisco.com > Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 10:05:37 -0400 > To: Bernie Benz > Subject: Re: [200q20v] 200 20V stalling > > Hi Bernie: > > Intersting comment about the alternator - my understanding is based on several > years of quattro list threads and my personal experience. > > Re: the prop shaft - 1999 replaced center drive shaft bearing (and got > $crewed > for the entire shaft 'cause I didn't know better....) now the front drive > shaft > CV joint has about .25 inches play in it and is rattling under moderate > acceleration. > > Bernie Benz wrote: > >> Peter, >> >> I don't believe that these cars have a basic alternator problem. Some may >> have high current wire junction or connector problems, but not alternator. >> >> Tell me the symptoms of your propeller shaft problems and what you have done >> about them. I had some on a 5KTQ and have some unique solutions. >> >> Bernie >> >>> From: Peter Dowker >>> Organization: Cisco Systems, Inc. >>> Reply-To: pdowker@cisco.com >>> Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 22:03:48 -0400 >>> To: Charles Baer >>> Cc: Audi 200q List <200q20v@audifans.com> >>> Subject: [200q20v] 200 20V stalling >>> >>> I have the same problem myself. Based on the pulled codes from the >>> diagnostic computer - it's a low voltage issue. These cars have a >>> chronic problem - poor alternator design and high load from >>> Headlights,A/C, radio etc will reproduce your symptoms on my car - >>> usually in the rain... >>> >>> I believe Avi Meron has a rebuilt alternator that seems to be the ticket >>> - as usual, no problem that : time, money, and ingenuity can't solve. >>> >>> -- >>> Regards, >>> >>> Peter Dowker >>> 1991 200tq >>> - still working the prop shaft bearing issues- >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> 200q20v mailing list >>> 200q20v@audifans.com >>> http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v > > -- > Regards, > > Peter Dowker > Manager, Systems Engineering > Cisco Systems, Inc. > Empowering the Internet Generation > > +1.804.762.5556 > > From charlie at istari.com Thu Apr 5 20:11:14 2001 From: charlie at istari.com (Charles Baer) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:52 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Blau harness and Bosch euro headlights Message-ID: <3ACD17B2.6527EC70@istari.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: david_haupt@agilent.com [mailto:david_haupt@agilent.com] > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 6:19 PM > To: charlie@istari.com > Subject: Blau harness > > > Charlie, > > Is there a diagram of that harness available? I was unable > to find it on Blau's site > ...snip... Nada, did you catch the post I made about the harness probably being OK ? Didnna' want to castigate Blau when it were kosher. It seems pretty straightforward, three relays, driven by the driver side OEM socket, and a connection to the driver side marker. I didn't bother checking anything before installing, a mistake that I know better than to make. The whole reason I bought the harness was the notion that after the cost of parts, the time spent designing, wiring and tearing my hair out in EEM catalogs and getting Audi parts would be worth the difference; I now would have preferred to make my own harness and run shorter lengths for the hi current runs, as well as add a circuit to keep the dead light warning intact. I'd been to this page: http://www.sjmautotechnik.com/eurolght.html that describes the units and the H4 bulb. The socket pinout did NOT match my driver side unit; and contrary to the procedure sent with the harness, the Audi parking marker plug did not mate to the connector they provide. I have tons of stuff lying around and just grabbed a short fuse holder already with quick-disconnects and shoved it in, the plastic housing around the connector on the two blue wires didn't mate with what was on the car. The SJM site also warns about the jump-start block behind the passenger side headlamp possibly needing relocation. I, of course, spaced this out in my hurry to get outside and do the job before the sun went down. Fortunately, I was able to make a BAD temp relocation by using the wrong hole of the block to mis-mount it on one of the base holes. I'd have some aluminum plate handy or whatever you like to fab a new mount very early on during the job, as soon as you can position a euro unit for the fit. Also look at where the bumper cover and trim sit relative to the underlying structure so you can tell where to fit the harness when you route it across the front. BTW: Can you get any info on the LumiLeds venture w/ Philips ? I want to add some amber LEDs where the old side markers used to live. I noticed your Agilent address and went "OhBoyOhBoyOhBoy!". I think some of the SnapLED parts will do the job, I know they've released a CHMSL back-window product. Charlie -- Anyone who cannot cope with Mathematics is not fully human. At best (he) is a tolerable sub-human who has learned to wear shoes, bathe, and not make messes in the house. - Lazarus Long From dpulvino at agraus.com Thu Apr 5 21:29:31 2001 From: dpulvino at agraus.com (Derek Pulvino) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:52 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Re: glass replacement tip Message-ID: Has anybody who has replaced windsheild noticed an increase in the effectiveness of their windsheild wipers? I've tried cleaning the window with all kinds of things, running new bosch blades, all to no avail. My latest guess is the windsheild stone pits. Any ideas or experience with this? Derek P Message: 1 Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 15:29:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Brett Dikeman To: 200q20v@audifans.com Subject: [200q20v] glass replacement tip Just a tip...this shop, unlike the last, taped two pieces of tape from the top of the car to the glass. "Yhea, that's why the old glass was so low. They didn't tape it, and it slid down before the adhesive set. Leave the tape on for a day or so." They mangled a cover chrome clip in the middle at the bottom; I pointed it out, and asked them to fix it. They got a new clip and put it in, but it looks kind of half-baked; not very flush/tight, so I'm a little annoyed about that, but I'll live; the chrome at first look appeared much better than the last replacement windshield. Total came to $300-ish for generic glass, including labor, NY sales tax, etc. Brett From brettd at speakeasy.net Fri Apr 6 01:13:13 2001 From: brettd at speakeasy.net (Brett Dikeman) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:52 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Re: glass replacement tip In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 8:29 PM -0700 4/5/01, Derek Pulvino wrote: >Has anybody who has replaced windsheild noticed an increase in the >effectiveness of their windsheild wipers? I've tried cleaning the >window with all kinds of things, running new bosch blades, all to no >avail. My latest guess is the windsheild stone pits. Any ideas or >experience with this? Yes, it's because the glass gets a rough surface. There are some very gentle polishes that remove mineral buildup and the like, maybe that would help. RainX, which fills the little pits, causes water to roll off. The stuff is quite impressive; I also find it does one hell of a good job at getting glass clean; I've cleaned glass, then applied rainx, only to find lots of dirt on the cloth. Brett From Tomsaudi200 at aol.com Fri Apr 6 01:15:19 2001 From: Tomsaudi200 at aol.com (Tomsaudi200@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:52 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Stalling: EUREKA! Message-ID: <77.12a6513f.27fe9cd7@aol.com> I would, but mechanically speaking, I am a total idiot. I find the 200 such a complex machine I wouldn't even think of laying my hands on her. Even my '78 MG, which is about as complex as a lawn mower, I am hesitant to dig in to deep. Call it a phobia... Tom From Tomsaudi200 at aol.com Fri Apr 6 01:18:25 2001 From: Tomsaudi200 at aol.com (Tomsaudi200@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:52 2003 Subject: [200q20v] RE: 200 20V stalling Message-ID: <98.12f88757.27fe9d91@aol.com> Charlie- No, my idle speed does not vary as dramatically as yours, but sitting at a light it might dip to 700-800 rpm, then back up to 1,000 rpm. In any case, idle speed does not always remain constant. Another piece of the puzzle perhaps? We'll see... Tom From calvinlc at earthlink.net Fri Apr 6 00:06:39 2001 From: calvinlc at earthlink.net (Calvin & Diana Craig) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:52 2003 Subject: [200q20v] What competition??? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: When did the Mitsu Galant VR-4 come out...I believe it was '92? Just on performance it was dang close....however let's not talk reliability, terrible gauge package, crappy construction, etc. :) --Calvin -----Original Message----- From: Chaplen, John [mailto:John.Chaplen@us.wmmercer.com] Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 2:49 PM To: 'Fundsalo Racing'; Tomsaudi200@aol.com; calvinlc@earthlink.net; 200q20v@audifans.com Subject: RE: [200q20v] What competition??? Hey anyone think any of these cars can beat us in 0-60 in the snow... (or even rain for that matter) -----Original Message----- From: Fundsalo Racing [mailto:fundsaloracing@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 5:34 AM To: Tomsaudi200@aol.com; calvinlc@earthlink.net; 200q20v@audifans.com Subject: Re: [200q20v] What competition??? There was no competition back in 91 - none of the cars listed below had AWD. -glen OOOO From packley at bellatlantic.net Fri Apr 6 11:08:43 2001 From: packley at bellatlantic.net (packley) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:52 2003 Subject: [200q20v] What competition??? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000401c0bea3$172325e0$010000c0@delloptiplex> I owned a 1991 Galant VR4, in fact, I just sold it three months ago. 4wd That car beat the Audi for bang for the buck! I put Eibach springs, GAB adj shocks, HKS defencer, large fuel pump, 3" exhaust, 17" rims, Centerforce clutch, Greddy boost controller. larger special turbo, porting, etc. An easy 300 hp screamer. Stock it was almost as fast as the urs4, improved it was really quick, but did not have the torque of the Audi. These were fast cars, and needed big brakes. The engine was indestructible. Transmissions took a beating however. Viscous coupling center and front diffs. A later mod was rear viscous limited slip-you had it all, front rear, left right! A real sleeper four door, and would blow away the new 2000S4. It did not have the interior quality, but in 1991 it was a $24,000 car that did not sell well, but was the fastest street 4wd around, and would trounce my 91 Avant! My 96 S6 with RS2 manifold, turbo, mtm 3bar chip, Stromung full 3" exhaust and Abt springs, shocks, and S8 struts/brakes, and 235-45-17 tires is much faster. In fact that car is much faster than just about anything as we found out at VIR this past week. 125+ front straight, 135+ back straight, uncatchable in the rain! Audi quality does reign supreme, but at a high initial cost! -----Original Message----- From: 200q20v-admin@audifans.com [mailto:200q20v-admin@audifans.com] On Behalf Of Calvin & Diana Craig Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 1:07 AM To: Chaplen, John ; 'Fundsalo Racing'; Tomsaudi200@aol.com; 200q20v@audifans.com Subject: RE: [200q20v] What competition??? When did the Mitsu Galant VR-4 come out...I believe it was '92? Just on performance it was dang close....however let's not talk reliability, terrible gauge package, crappy construction, etc. :) --Calvin -----Original Message----- From: Chaplen, John [mailto:John.Chaplen@us.wmmercer.com] Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 2:49 PM To: 'Fundsalo Racing'; Tomsaudi200@aol.com; calvinlc@earthlink.net; 200q20v@audifans.com Subject: RE: [200q20v] What competition??? Hey anyone think any of these cars can beat us in 0-60 in the snow... (or even rain for that matter) -----Original Message----- From: Fundsalo Racing [mailto:fundsaloracing@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 5:34 AM To: Tomsaudi200@aol.com; calvinlc@earthlink.net; 200q20v@audifans.com Subject: Re: [200q20v] What competition??? There was no competition back in 91 - none of the cars listed below had AWD. -glen OOOO _______________________________________________ 200q20v mailing list 200q20v@audifans.com http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v From malth at umich.edu Fri Apr 6 11:48:58 2001 From: malth at umich.edu (Chris Covington) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:52 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Stalling: EUREKA! In-Reply-To: <77.12a6513f.27fe9cd7@aol.com> Message-ID: So am I, but really there is nothing involved to changing it except removing a few hoses, etc. Have you looked at how to do it? I guarantee you that you can. Chris '91 2cq On Fri, 6 Apr 2001 Tomsaudi200@aol.com wrote: > I would, but mechanically speaking, I am a total idiot. I find the 200 such a > complex machine I wouldn't even think of laying my hands on her. Even my '78 > MG, which is about as complex as a lawn mower, I am hesitant to dig in to > deep. Call it a phobia... > > Tom > _______________________________________________ > 200q20v mailing list > 200q20v@audifans.com > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v > From brett at brettd.dsl.speakeasy.net Fri Apr 6 13:32:38 2001 From: brett at brettd.dsl.speakeasy.net (Brett Dikeman) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:52 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Stalling: EUREKA! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If we're talking about the TBPV, then you need to get a 1/8th drive 6mm socket with a flex extension and screwdriver handle(this will make the job a 30 second one instead of a 3 bloody-fingers and 20 minute job.) Undo the two clamps; pull the valve towards the front of the car and up. Disconnect the vacuum hose. Wiggle the new valve into place(if it seems like it doesn't fit right, you've got it reversed.) Resecure clamps. You should replace the control line unless it's new/recently replaced. That's a little more involved, but you need to remove the metal plate/guard thing that sits on top(well, to the left of) the metal intake pipe. Once that's off, remove the bolts holding the metal intake pipe(2 I think?) Loosen the clamps, remove the intercooler->pipe hose, raise the front of the pipe, and wiggle it while pulling to the left to get it off the throttle body hose assembly. Trace the control hose back to the rear of the manifold; unscrew the clamp, etc etc...rethread new line, reinstall everything. Don't forget to tighten down all the clamps. I've done it a few times, so I could probably do it in about 5 minutes if I rushed. It might take you 20 if you took your time about it. While you're in there with the intake pipe off, clean the throttle body assembly with some throttle body cleaner. Also, clean the michellin-man hose and inspect it completely for leaks. Bend/stretch it, fill it with water, whatever, just be complete. okay everybody...did I miss anything? Corrections? Brett On Fri, 6 Apr 2001, Chris Covington wrote: > So am I, but really there is nothing involved to changing it except > removing a few hoses, etc. Have you looked at how to do it? I guarantee > you that you can. > > Chris > '91 2cq > > On Fri, 6 Apr 2001 Tomsaudi200@aol.com wrote: > > > I would, but mechanically speaking, I am a total idiot. I find the 200 such a > > complex machine I wouldn't even think of laying my hands on her. Even my '78 > > MG, which is about as complex as a lawn mower, I am hesitant to dig in to > > deep. Call it a phobia... > > > > Tom > > _______________________________________________ > > 200q20v mailing list > > 200q20v@audifans.com > > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v > > > > _______________________________________________ > 200q20v mailing list > 200q20v@audifans.com > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v > From sidman at montereynet.net Fri Apr 6 11:11:19 2001 From: sidman at montereynet.net (George Sidman) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:52 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Re: New Windshield Tip References: <200104061603.MAA18964@www.audifans.com> Message-ID: <3ACDF8B7.744B8916@montereynet.net> I noticed in Bentley that moving the car for 24 hours after new glass has been installed is a no-no. I went through this on my Volvo 1800 and a Jag, and had to hassle with the glass guy endlessly. When I drove the Jag from the shop parking lot to the street, over a standard driveway, I actually heard the sealant coming loose as the body flexed. A little research revealed that the glass shops are told by the sealant mfrs. that full cure takes more than 8 hours, in spite of recent product breakthroughs. The shearing forces at work in a flexing body are very high and will tear the bond loose. So, when time came to replace the glass in my 200 TQW, I asked the glass shop to keep the car over night, and I picked it up late the next afternoon. That was 120,000 miles ago, and all has been perfect....... -- George Sidman, President Nousoft, Inc. - Monterey Network Center www.nousoft.com - www.montereynet.net sidman@montereynet.net 9701 Blue Larkspur Lane Monterey, CA 93940 831 657-1510 From omllenado at hotmail.com Fri Apr 6 11:54:23 2001 From: omllenado at hotmail.com (omllenado) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:52 2003 Subject: [200q20v] What competition??? References: <000401c0bea3$172325e0$010000c0@delloptiplex> Message-ID: wow that's one mean vr4, btw how much did u sell it?, was looking for one back then in california but this audi gave me away. was it a 4g63 turbo engine?, I'm excited that mitsubishi will be bringing its Evolution VII to the u.s. well subaru got here first, but these are mean machines I dunno about the riding comfort if they mach against audi. i love this car. "Imagination is more important than knowledge, for knowledge is limited while imagination embraces the entire world."(Einstein) Oliver M. Llenado Analyst/Programmer 805 Dahlia Street, Apt 22 Denver Colorado 80220 Homepage http://www8.ewebcity.com/omllenado ----- Original Message ----- From: "packley" To: "'Calvin & Diana Craig'" ; "'Audi 200group'" <200q20v@audifans.com> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 8:08 AM Subject: RE: [200q20v] What competition??? > I owned a 1991 Galant VR4, in fact, I just sold it three months ago. 4wd > > That car beat the Audi for bang for the buck! > > I put Eibach springs, GAB adj shocks, HKS defencer, large fuel pump, 3" > exhaust, 17" rims, Centerforce clutch, Greddy boost controller. larger > special turbo, porting, etc. An easy 300 hp screamer. > > Stock it was almost as fast as the urs4, improved it was really quick, but > did not have the torque of the Audi. > > These were fast cars, and needed big brakes. The engine was indestructible. > Transmissions took a beating however. > > Viscous coupling center and front diffs. A later mod was rear viscous > limited slip-you had it all, front rear, left right! > > A real sleeper four door, and would blow away the new 2000S4. It did not > have the interior quality, but in 1991 it was a $24,000 car that did not > sell well, but was the fastest street 4wd around, and would trounce my 91 > Avant! > > My 96 S6 with RS2 manifold, turbo, mtm 3bar chip, Stromung full 3" exhaust > and Abt springs, shocks, and S8 struts/brakes, and 235-45-17 tires is much > faster. In fact that car is much faster than just about anything as we > found out at VIR this past week. 125+ front straight, 135+ back straight, > uncatchable in the rain! > Audi quality does reign supreme, but at a high initial cost! > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: 200q20v-admin@audifans.com [mailto:200q20v-admin@audifans.com] On > Behalf Of Calvin & Diana Craig > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 1:07 AM > To: Chaplen, John ; 'Fundsalo Racing'; Tomsaudi200@aol.com; > 200q20v@audifans.com > Subject: RE: [200q20v] What competition??? > > When did the Mitsu Galant VR-4 come out...I believe it was '92? Just on > performance it was dang close....however let's not talk reliability, > terrible gauge package, crappy construction, etc. :) > --Calvin > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chaplen, John [mailto:John.Chaplen@us.wmmercer.com] > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 2:49 PM > To: 'Fundsalo Racing'; Tomsaudi200@aol.com; calvinlc@earthlink.net; > 200q20v@audifans.com > Subject: RE: [200q20v] What competition??? > > > Hey anyone think any of these cars can beat us in 0-60 in the snow... > > (or even rain for that matter) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fundsalo Racing [mailto:fundsaloracing@yahoo.com] > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 5:34 AM > To: Tomsaudi200@aol.com; calvinlc@earthlink.net; 200q20v@audifans.com > Subject: Re: [200q20v] What competition??? > > > > There was no competition back in 91 - none of the cars > listed below had AWD. > > -glen > > OOOO > > > > _______________________________________________ > 200q20v mailing list > 200q20v@audifans.com > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v > > _______________________________________________ > 200q20v mailing list > 200q20v@audifans.com > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v > From brett at brettd.dsl.speakeasy.net Fri Apr 6 17:26:53 2001 From: brett at brettd.dsl.speakeasy.net (Brett Dikeman) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:52 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Re: New Windshield Tip In-Reply-To: <3ACDF8B7.744B8916@montereynet.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 6 Apr 2001, George Sidman wrote: > I noticed in Bentley that moving the car for 24 hours after > new glass has been installed is a no-no. I went through this > on my Volvo 1800 and a Jag, and had to hassle with the glass > guy endlessly. When I drove the Jag from the shop parking > lot to the street, over a standard driveway, I actually > heard the sealant coming loose as the body flexed. A little > research revealed that the glass shops are told by the > sealant mfrs. that full cure takes more than 8 hours, in > spite of recent product breakthroughs. The shearing forces > at work in a flexing body are very high and will tear the > bond loose. From MartinGG at aetna.com Fri Apr 6 20:22:43 2001 From: MartinGG at aetna.com (Martin, Gary G) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:52 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Tranny oil Message-ID: Looking for opinions and or experience with using Redline MTL or MT90 in the 91 200 transmission. Positive, negative or no difference? TIA Gary 91 200 20v TQA 94 UrS4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Positive, negative or no difference? TIA Gary 91 200 20v TQA 94 UrS4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2507 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.audifans.com/pipermail/200q20v/attachments/20010406/50dddf87/attachment.bin From t44tq at mindspring.com Sat Apr 7 10:30:08 2001 From: t44tq at mindspring.com (TM) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:52 2003 Subject: [200q20v] What competition??? In-Reply-To: <000401c0bea3$172325e0$010000c0@delloptiplex> Message-ID: <002901c0bf66$dd479800$d97afea9@noone> Speaking of the AWD turbo Mitsubishis, yes, the Galant VR-4 in terms of raw performance is one seriously fast sedan. However, IMHO, the cars have a fatal flaw that precludes me from ever buying one again. The transfer case has a design defect that results in spontaneous case seal failure, resulting in the loss of transfer case oil and the results are that the transfer case seizes up. If this occurs at high speed, you are likely to lose control of the vehicle. I've had the case fail on me twice, both on extended trips. Never again will I drive that thing more than 50 miles from home. Recall or not, after experiencing that, I don't trust the design. Taka From omllenado at hotmail.com Sat Apr 7 11:08:51 2001 From: omllenado at hotmail.com (omllenado) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:52 2003 Subject: [200q20v] What competition??? References: <002901c0bf66$dd479800$d97afea9@noone> Message-ID: I think even the other older DSM models like the eclipse has this problem I just don't know what model., well mitsu-japan is in hot water after conceiling customer complaints for years. Oliver M. Llenado "Imagination is more important than knowledge, for knowledge is limited while imagination embraces the entire world."(Einstein) Analyst/Programmer 805 Dahlia Street, Apt 22 Denver Colorado 80220 Telephone (303) 322-6613 Mobile (720) 849-8762 Homepage http://www8.ewebcity.com/omllenado ----- Original Message ----- From: "TM" To: ; "'Calvin & Diana Craig'" ; "'Audi 200group'" <200q20v@audifans.com> Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 7:30 AM Subject: RE: [200q20v] What competition??? > Speaking of the AWD turbo Mitsubishis, yes, the Galant VR-4 > in terms of raw performance is one seriously fast sedan. > > However, IMHO, the cars have a fatal flaw that precludes me > from ever buying one again. The transfer case has a design > defect that results in spontaneous case seal failure, resulting > in the loss of transfer case oil and the results are that the > transfer case seizes up. If this occurs at high speed, you are > likely to lose control of the vehicle. > > I've had the case fail on me twice, both on extended trips. Never > again will I drive that thing more than 50 miles from home. Recall > or not, after experiencing that, I don't trust the design. > > Taka > _______________________________________________ > 200q20v mailing list > 200q20v@audifans.com > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v > From dak-ignore at rochester.rr.com Sun Apr 8 18:38:41 2001 From: dak-ignore at rochester.rr.com (DAK) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:52 2003 Subject: [200q20v] general starter Q Message-ID: <3AD0DA61.9070707@rochester.rr.com> A question that probably pertains to many audis (if not other makes). The little braided connection from the solenoid to the starter has fallen apart. (hence the no-start condition!) It looks like it runs right into the starter itself. Seems like this provides power from the solenoid to the starter motor itself. Any ideas on fixing this in-situ? I could take the motor out and have it fixed by a starter refurb place. David From kevphill at mediaone.net Sun Apr 8 20:14:49 2001 From: kevphill at mediaone.net (Kevin Phillips) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:52 2003 Subject: [200q20v] general starter Q In-Reply-To: <3AD0DA61.9070707@rochester.rr.com> Message-ID: This braided cable is connected to the brush carrier in the motor. It can be replaced as a unit for about $20-30 but I could not find one in this area. I got a used starter from Chris Semple that happened to have a new looking brush unit so I just popped this into my already cleaned and lubricated motor. If you can find a Bosch dealer in your area this should be an easy fix. Good luck. Kevin Phillips AIM "quattrohead" Western Massachusetts 1990 200q 1995 900 SET Cell 413 519 9034 -----Original Message----- From: 200q20v-admin@audifans.com [mailto:200q20v-admin@audifans.com]On Behalf Of DAK Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2001 17:39 To: 200q20v Subject: [200q20v] general starter Q A question that probably pertains to many audis (if not other makes). The little braided connection from the solenoid to the starter has fallen apart. (hence the no-start condition!) It looks like it runs right into the starter itself. Seems like this provides power from the solenoid to the starter motor itself. Any ideas on fixing this in-situ? I could take the motor out and have it fixed by a starter refurb place. David _______________________________________________ 200q20v mailing list 200q20v@audifans.com http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v From C1J1Miller at aol.com Sun Apr 8 23:25:30 2001 From: C1J1Miller at aol.com (C1J1Miller@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:52 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Re: AOB and ADZ - is there a difference? Message-ID: <6c.957ffe3.2802779a@aol.com> Hi Rob, I'm forwarding this to the 200q20v list. I've generally reproduced the factory brochure here: http://members.aol.com/c1j1miller/brochure.html which shows the gear ratios as 4.11:1 HTH, Chris Miller, c1j1miller@aol.com In a message dated 4/8/01 2:19:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, robbrauns@bb.eulink.net writes: > Hi Chris: > > Thanks for your response. Keith actually bought 3 ADZ trannies and wanted > more, > but there are no more ADZ. The AOB is the closest I can come with and he > wants > 5-6, but needs to be convinved that the AOB will work. > > Keith is convinced that the ADZ really has a 3.89 drive ratio and that the > AOB > has a 4.11 FD ratio. > > Chris, a lot of 200 20V owners seem to have transmission problems and once > this > stock of AOBs are gone, then the stock of availalbe new, old stock will be > gone > forever. So, would do me a favor and post my post to the 20 V turbo list. > > I remember that about 2 months ago, at least 10 people emailed me for an ADZ > and > some weren't too happy about having to get a rebuild. The AOBs are not going > as > fast as the ADZ, but once people realise that they are similar, that might > change. > > Thanks for your help. > > Kind Regards > > Rob > > ********** > > C1J1Miller@aol.com schrieb: > > > Hi Rob, > > I think Keith is wrong; the '91 200q20v used a 4.11:1 tranny. The AOB > tranny > > you're talking about, however, is also a 4.11:1 tranny, I believe. > > Looking at ETKA, they both use the same rear diff, AAT > > 017 500 040D or > > 017 500 044J > > Looks like it would work fine; not sure if the gears are different, or if > the > > '91 200q20v gears were reinforced for the higher power output. > > HTH, Chris Miller, Windham NH, c1j1miller@aol.com > > http://members.aol.com/c1j1miller/ > > > > Hello Again: > > > > Those ADZs are gone, but I can get 36 units of AOB. According to my > > version of FA, these 2 trannies are identical except for the rear tail > > housing. We compared them both and only see one hole in the ADZ (used > > for a timing light) that is not there on the AOB. FA shows the > > bellhousing as having the same number. We couldn't see any difference in > > the tail housings at all. > > > > Keith at Anderson Motorsport told me that the ADZ has a final drive > > ratio of 3.89 and that FA is wrong. I believe that the AOB can be used > > instead of the ADZ, since there are probably a lot of people wanting one > > of those new, but old stock ADZ. If the AOB works, I can get 36 of them > > for less than $900 each... > > > > Kind Regards > > > > Rob > From fundsaloracing at yahoo.com Mon Apr 9 05:48:15 2001 From: fundsaloracing at yahoo.com (Fundsalo Racing) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:52 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Tranny oil In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010409114815.30714.qmail@web13606.mail.yahoo.com> Cannot comment BTDT on that, but had great luck over many years in many different vehicles with Mobil 1 gear oil, BTDT there. YMMV. -glen OOOO --- "Martin, Gary G" wrote: > Looking for opinions and or experience with using > Redline MTL or MT90 in the > 91 200 transmission. Positive, negative or no > difference? TIA > > Gary > 91 200 20v TQA > 94 UrS4 > > ATTACHMENT part 2 application/ms-tnef __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From malth at umich.edu Mon Apr 9 12:20:34 2001 From: malth at umich.edu (Chris Covington) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:52 2003 Subject: [200q20v] general starter Q In-Reply-To: <3AD0DA61.9070707@rochester.rr.com> Message-ID: I had that same problem about a year ago, and a local parts place had a rebuilt starter in stock that had the solenoid, etc. rebuilt on it as well. It was only $120 I believe. Chris '91 2cq On Sun, 8 Apr 2001, DAK wrote: > A question that probably pertains to many audis (if not other makes). > > The little braided connection from the solenoid to the starter has > fallen apart. (hence the no-start condition!) > It looks like it runs right into the starter itself. Seems like this > provides power from the solenoid to the starter motor itself. Any ideas > on fixing this in-situ? I could take the motor out and have it fixed by > a starter refurb place. > > > David > > _______________________________________________ > 200q20v mailing list > 200q20v@audifans.com > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v > From dak-ignore at rochester.rr.com Mon Apr 9 13:51:09 2001 From: dak-ignore at rochester.rr.com (DAK) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:52 2003 Subject: [200q20v] general starter Q References: Message-ID: <3AD1E87D.7080301@rochester.rr.com> Thanks for all of the replies. I'm going to take the starter out and drop it at a local re-builder. If it only needs the brushes, I'll try to buy and install them myself. David Chris Covington wrote: > I had that same problem about a year ago, and a local parts place had a > rebuilt starter in stock that had the solenoid, etc. rebuilt on it as > well. It was only $120 I believe. > > Chris > '91 2cq > > On Sun, 8 Apr 2001, DAK wrote: > >> A question that probably pertains to many audis (if not other makes). >> >> The little braided connection from the solenoid to the starter has >> fallen apart. (hence the no-start condition!) >> It looks like it runs right into the starter itself. Seems like this >> provides power from the solenoid to the starter motor itself. Any ideas >> on fixing this in-situ? I could take the motor out and have it fixed by >> a starter refurb place. >> >> >> David >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 200q20v mailing list >> 200q20v@audifans.com >> http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v >> > > _______________________________________________ > 200q20v mailing list > 200q20v@audifans.com > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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TIA, Dale McCormack From peschulz at cisco.com Mon Apr 9 15:38:10 2001 From: peschulz at cisco.com (Peter Schulz) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:52 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Momentary Brake Warning light In-Reply-To: <3AD1FE81.46B3463A@themccormacks.org> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010409143518.00b55d88@tub.cisco.com> At 01:25 PM 4/9/2001 -0500, Dale McCormack wrote: >Request for focused wisdom input: > >Occasionally during a quick, hard brake application the red warning >light will momentarily flash. No other time. Brake fluid level, pads, >master cylinder float, all fine. > >Had a similar problem on an 87 type 44 too, it had ss brake lines. > >Comments invited. > >TIA, > >Dale McCormack >_______________________________________________ >200q20v mailing list >200q20v@audifans.com >http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v Dale: Pressure Accumulator (aka Bomb) ok? Test is at http://members.aol.com/c1j1miller/brake.html#Bomb or brake booster HTH Peter Schulz 1990 CQ 1991 200 20v TQW Chelmsford, MA USA peschulz@cisco.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.audifans.com/pipermail/200q20v/attachments/20010409/d8b52639/attachment.htm From ELLIEOLSEN at aol.com Mon Apr 9 15:38:18 2001 From: ELLIEOLSEN at aol.com (ELLIEOLSEN@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:52 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Momentary Brake Warning light Message-ID: <5f.136a17b0.28035b9a@aol.com> Hi Dale, My wagon has been doing the same for about 85000 miles. At first I freaked, but I checked everything out and like with your car all systems were fine. Most importantly I have never had a problem stopping. Shawn '91 200 20v TQW -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.audifans.com/pipermail/200q20v/attachments/20010409/ed4cc64c/attachment.htm From C1J1Miller at aol.com Mon Apr 9 15:43:57 2001 From: C1J1Miller at aol.com (C1J1Miller@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:52 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Momentary Brake Warning light Message-ID: The hydraulic pressure accumulator (bomb) stores pressure in case the engine stalls/throws a belt; without stored pressure, you've lost your brake assist. Dangerous. Which light is on, the handbrake warning light? That is also triggered by low brake fluid, as well as low system pressure. Does that light come on and stay on for a bit after every start? That is the system building up enough pressure to trip the switch... Chris In a message dated Mon, 9 Apr 2001 2:39:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ELLIEOLSEN@aol.com writes: << Hi Dale, My wagon has been doing the same for about 85000 miles. At first I freaked, but I checked everything out and like with your car all systems were fine. Most importantly I have never had a problem stopping. Shawn '91 200 20v TQW >> From motogo1 at home.com Mon Apr 9 15:55:20 2001 From: motogo1 at home.com (Gary Martin) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:52 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Momentary Brake Warning light References: <3AD1FE81.46B3463A@themccormacks.org> Message-ID: <008201c0c126$a0a8a9e0$6a01b418@granby1.ct.home.com> I assume your brake 'bomb' is good? Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale McCormack" To: "Audi 91 200Q list" <200q20v@audifans.com> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 2:25 PM Subject: [200q20v] Momentary Brake Warning light > Request for focused wisdom input: > > Occasionally during a quick, hard brake application the red warning > light will momentarily flash. No other time. Brake fluid level, pads, > master cylinder float, all fine. > > Had a similar problem on an 87 type 44 too, it had ss brake lines. > > Comments invited. > > TIA, > > Dale McCormack > _______________________________________________ > 200q20v mailing list > 200q20v@audifans.com > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v From dale at themccormacks.org Mon Apr 9 15:02:29 2001 From: dale at themccormacks.org (Dale McCormack) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:52 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Momentary Brake Warning light References: Message-ID: <3AD20745.C4CA87C2@themccormacks.org> Thanks for all input, Most have suggested the "bomb". However, there are ZERO additional corroborating symptoms of "bomb" problems. Original description of problem remains. The brake light flashes momentarily on hard brake application, goes out immediately and comes on at no other time. Car (w/UFO's) stops on a dime and gives change. Brake pedal height fine, doesn't go down. More comments? Dale McCormack 91 200 20valve tq 89 200tq Avant From C1J1Miller at aol.com Mon Apr 9 16:07:56 2001 From: C1J1Miller at aol.com (C1J1Miller@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:52 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Momentary Brake Warning light Message-ID: <96.1290e82b.2803628c@aol.com> You've done the test with engine off? Push pedal, and count "pumps" until you get a hard pedal. Chris In a message dated Mon, 9 Apr 2001 3:06:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Dale McCormack writes: << Thanks for all input, Most have suggested the "bomb". However, there are ZERO additional corroborating symptoms of "bomb" problems. Original description of problem remains. The brake light flashes momentarily on hard brake application, goes out immediately and comes on at no other time. Car (w/UFO's) stops on a dime and gives change. Brake pedal height fine, doesn't go down. More comments? Dale McCormack 91 200 20valve tq 89 200tq Avant >> From Chewy4000 at aol.com Mon Apr 9 16:14:04 2001 From: Chewy4000 at aol.com (Chewy4000@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:52 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Momentary Brake Warning light Message-ID: <17.143e562e.280363ff@aol.com> The reason why I say dirty sensors, is a friend and I have the same problems as you and he poped out the abs sensors, actually the teath the sensors read, and no more problem for him. Chewy In a message dated Mon, 9 Apr 2001 3:07:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Dale McCormack writes: << Thanks for all input, Most have suggested the "bomb". However, there are ZERO additional corroborating symptoms of "bomb" problems. Original description of problem remains. The brake light flashes momentarily on hard brake application, goes out immediately and comes on at no other time. Car (w/UFO's) stops on a dime and gives change. Brake pedal height fine, doesn't go down. More comments? Dale McCormack 91 200 20valve tq 89 200tq Avant _______________________________________________ 200q20v mailing list 200q20v@audifans.com http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v >> From C1J1Miller at aol.com Mon Apr 9 16:20:06 2001 From: C1J1Miller at aol.com (C1J1Miller@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:52 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Momentary Brake Warning light Message-ID: <37.1359103b.28036567@aol.com> sorry, if the "brake" warning light is coming on during braking, it has nothing to do with the ABS system or ABS sensors; perhaps you have two problems, not one. Chris In a message dated Mon, 9 Apr 2001 3:17:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Chewy4000@aol.com writes: << The reason why I say dirty sensors, is a friend and I have the same problems as you and he poped out the abs sensors, actually the teath the sensors read, and no more problem for him. Chewy In a message dated Mon, 9 Apr 2001 3:07:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Dale McCormack writes: << Thanks for all input, Most have suggested the "bomb". However, there are ZERO additional corroborating symptoms of "bomb" problems. Original description of problem remains. The brake light flashes momentarily on hard brake application, goes out immediately and comes on at no other time. Car (w/UFO's) stops on a dime and gives change. Brake pedal height fine, doesn't go down. More comments? Dale McCormack 91 200 20valve tq 89 200tq Avant _______________________________________________ 200q20v mailing list 200q20v@audifans.com http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v >> _______________________________________________ 200q20v mailing list 200q20v@audifans.com http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v >> From C1J1Miller at aol.com Mon Apr 9 16:29:06 2001 From: C1J1Miller at aol.com (C1J1Miller@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:52 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Momentary Brake Warning light Message-ID: Going from memory, as I don't have all my manuals etc. here in front of me... there are a number of brake system warnings that may occur. Leave the handbrake on, the "brake" warning comes on. Bad handbrake switch, the "brake" warning comes on. Low system pressure (such as after the car sits for a few days, or after pumping down stored pressure in the bomb) and the "brake" warning comes on. Low level of brake fluid in the reservoir, and the "brake" warning comes on. Worn front pads, break in pad warning sensor circuit, and the pad warning comes on in autocheck. Malfunction in the ABS system (dirty/misadjusted/damaged sensors, "ABS Off" button depressed), and the "ABS Off" warning comes on. -hth, Chris In a message dated Mon, 9 Apr 2001 3:07:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Dale McCormack writes: << Thanks for all input, Most have suggested the "bomb". However, there are ZERO additional corroborating symptoms of "bomb" problems. Original description of problem remains. The brake light flashes momentarily on hard brake application, goes out immediately and comes on at no other time. Car (w/UFO's) stops on a dime and gives change. Brake pedal height fine, doesn't go down. More comments? Dale McCormack 91 200 20valve tq 89 200tq Avant >> From rao at pixar.com Mon Apr 9 14:08:34 2001 From: rao at pixar.com (Arun Rao) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:52 2003 Subject: Fatal design flaws (Was Re: [200q20v] What competition???) References: <002901c0bf66$dd479800$d97afea9@noone> Message-ID: <3AD216C2.DDD617D6@pixar.com> TM wrote: [..] > However, IMHO, the cars have a fatal flaw that precludes me > from ever buying one again. The transfer case has a design >defect that results in spontaneous case seal failure, resulting [..] Talking about design flaws, anyone ever heard of the camshaft sprocket key breaking on a 3B? Friend of mine had his 200Q in the shop to have a bad distributor replaced. The mechanic (a fellow I trust, by the way) was test driving the car after replacement when the engine suddenly made a noise and quit. He pulled over immediately, suspecting that the timing belt had gone, but it turned out that the key that holds the camshaft sprocket to the shaft had literally broken off, causing the sprocket to run free. Ouch! Don't know for sure yet, but it's probably a safe bet that he's got a few bent valves in there now. Anyone heard of this happening? The mechanic claims he's seen it on 16-valve VW engines, but I don't remember anyone ever posting such a failure mode to the list. Car has somewhere around 160K on the clock: has me worried about *my* sprocket at 136K. Good thing to replace with the timing belt, it sounds like. -Arun From maxesales at home.com Mon Apr 9 19:11:44 2001 From: maxesales at home.com (Max Conover) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:52 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Door Handle Pull Message-ID: <3AD24FBB.8BE27127@home.com> Dear Listers, I am experiencing the following: when pulling up on either front door outside door handle, it hits a spot right before the door opens where you have to lift with more effort. It almost feels as if the door is locked but you are forcing it open by lifting the door handle. Has anyone else had this problem ? Am I due for the dreaded lock fix ? Car is 91 Avant with 76K. Thanks, Max From brett at brettd.dsl.speakeasy.net Mon Apr 9 18:13:23 2001 From: brett at brettd.dsl.speakeasy.net (Brett Dikeman) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:52 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Borbet's Message-ID: So, I just called tire rack and tried to get a quote for a set of 17x8.5 ET30 Borbet Type C's(from what I hear, a merc application, that works just fine with a 5mm spacer ring.) "Nope, I'm showing that as discontinued. Can I interest you in our house brand, moda R4?" "Hmm, let me see... ...no, I don't think so, thanks anyway." Anyone know of any places that might still carry these? The one lead I had turned out to be a company with a disconnected 800 number, and a wrong regular number(along with a page that instructs you to fax in your credit card number and order details..ummm..no :-) If I can't get these, I'm screwed...these were the only aftermarket wheels I really liked looking at... Brett From copley at snet.net Mon Apr 9 18:22:42 2001 From: copley at snet.net (copley one) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:52 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Borbet's References: Message-ID: <3AD22821.3579C6CB@snet.net> try this: http://www.eliteone.com/wheels/borbet.htm paul k From brett at brettd.dsl.speakeasy.net Mon Apr 9 18:35:26 2001 From: brett at brettd.dsl.speakeasy.net (Brett Dikeman) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:52 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Borbet's In-Reply-To: <3AD22821.3579C6CB@snet.net> Message-ID: Aha, EliteOne would be the company I was talking about :-) The link below gave me yet another phone number; apparently, the number at the bottom of the Borbet section is different. Answering machine message: "Hi. You've reached Elite One and Matthew. Please leave a message." Or so I thought. So, I call the number a second time a little while later. "Hello?" "Yes, is this Elite One?" "No, I'm sorry, you've got their old number." Man, these guys change phone numbers more than Guido in the witness protection program. They didn't answer two emails to rpm@eliteone.com, which is what they list as an email contact. Even if I do get a hold of them, this will probably be the first company I call the BBB about first...yeesh. Do you know of anyone that's done business with them before, or has current contact info? B On Mon, 9 Apr 2001, copley one wrote: > try this: > http://www.eliteone.com/wheels/borbet.htm > paul k > > From b.m.benz at prodigy.net Mon Apr 9 16:37:27 2001 From: b.m.benz at prodigy.net (Bernie Benz) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:52 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Cam Shaft/Sprocket key failure In-Reply-To: <3AD216C2.DDD617D6@pixar.com> Message-ID: IMO, something put an abnormal torque load on the cam drive system. The old distributor was replaced because of a bad drive gear? Gear pieces worked their way into the timing chain? New dist. not installed properly, or suffered infant mortallity? Let us know. Bernie > From: Arun Rao > Organization: Pixar Animation Studios > Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 13:08:34 -0700 > To: TM > Cc: packley@bellatlantic.net, "'Calvin & Diana Craig'" > , "'Audi 200group'" <200q20v@audifans.com> > Subject: Fatal design flaws (Was Re: [200q20v] What competition???) > > > Talking about design flaws, anyone ever heard of the camshaft sprocket > key breaking on a 3B? > > Friend of mine had his 200Q in the shop to have a bad distributor > replaced. The mechanic (a fellow I trust, by the way) was test driving > the car after replacement when the engine suddenly made a noise and > quit. He pulled over immediately, suspecting that the timing belt had > gone, but it turned out that the key that holds the camshaft sprocket to > the shaft had literally broken off, causing the sprocket to run free. > Ouch! > > Don't know for sure yet, but it's probably a safe bet that he's got a > few bent valves in there now. Anyone heard of this happening? The > mechanic claims he's seen it on 16-valve VW engines, but I don't > remember anyone ever posting such a failure mode to the list. > > Car has somewhere around 160K on the clock: has me worried about *my* > sprocket at 136K. Good thing to replace with the timing belt, it sounds > like. > > -Arun > > > _______________________________________________ > 200q20v mailing list > 200q20v@audifans.com > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v From pwaterloo at compuserve.com Mon Apr 9 18:55:23 2001 From: pwaterloo at compuserve.com (Paul Waterloo) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:52 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Ten of a kind (2 cool!) Message-ID: <004101c0c148$296d2a00$cdfbb318@elmhst1.il.home.com> My car reached a milestone a couple of weeks ago, 222,222 miles! When it turned that, I had the trip odometer set so it would also be at 222.2 during the mile......so I decided to one up it! I brought the car up to 222 KPH (about 143 MPH) and took a picture! I did get three pictures, but the flash was not on, so it really didn't capture it! But you see the speedo at almost 145 and the tach is at 5700 RPM....too cool! Paul Proud owner of 91 200q!!! _____________________________________________________ Paul Waterloo Applied Energy Services Phone 708-524-9464 Fax 708-524-0079 Voicemail/pager 888-962-7304 pwaterloo@compuserve.com From sidman at montereynet.net Mon Apr 9 17:04:49 2001 From: sidman at montereynet.net (George Sidman) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:52 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Re: Brake Light Possibility References: <200104092136.RAA19345@www.audifans.com> Message-ID: <3AD24011.9569431D@montereynet.net> I had a flashing brake light a few years ago, and after much testing, etc. it turned out to be the pressure sensor on the master cylinder. It was failing and over-reacting to high pressure on its way out...... -- George Sidman, President Nousoft, Inc. - Monterey Network Center www.nousoft.com - www.montereynet.net sidman@montereynet.net 9701 Blue Larkspur Lane Monterey, CA 93940 831 657-1510 From knotnook at traverse.com Mon Apr 9 21:15:00 2001 From: knotnook at traverse.com (Kneale Brownson) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:52 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Door Handle Pull In-Reply-To: <3AD24FBB.8BE27127@home.com> Message-ID: <4.3.1.2.20010409200931.00b19840@traverse.com> Try spraying a bit of lubricant (I use a teflon-inclusive spray now, but used to use WD40) everywhere you can put the little spray tube while you're holding the handle up. Also lubricate the latching mechanism on the trailing edge of the door. I do this a couple times a year now. Started doing it quarterly to keep Team Doorhandle handles working more smoothly on 4KQ and 5KQ cars, and now use it semi-annually on the slightly newer cars. I squirt into the key openings too, including the one on the trunklid. It's a messy process, so I keep paper towels handy while doing it to catch drips and go back half an hour later for a final drip catch. At 06:11 PM 04/09/2001 -0700, Max Conover wrote: >Dear Listers, > >I am experiencing the following: when pulling up on either front door >outside door handle, it hits a spot right before the door opens where >you have to lift with more effort. It almost feels as if the door is >locked but you are forcing it open by lifting the door handle. > >Has anyone else had this problem ? > >Am I due for the dreaded lock fix ? > >Car is 91 Avant with 76K. > >Thanks, >Max > >_______________________________________________ >200q20v mailing list >200q20v@audifans.com >http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v > From calvinlc at earthlink.net Mon Apr 9 19:21:31 2001 From: calvinlc at earthlink.net (Calvin & Diana Craig) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:52 2003 Subject: [200q20v] RE: Trip Computer In-Reply-To: <200104092136.RAA19345@www.audifans.com> Message-ID: I had posted a message awhile back on my '92 S4 trip computer reading instantaneous MPG instead of Boost in the Boost spot. It turns out that the coding plug (little PCB in the back of the instrument cluster) is for a 100 instead of the S4. Of course Audi has discontinued this part. All this "plug" does is short a few sockets together that I am sure are just digital inputs into the computer to tell it what car it is. So a few questions. Does anyone know what pins need to be shorted to what for this plug as I could modify the one I have. Does anybody know if a 200 plug will work in it's place? Does anyone know of a junkyard that might have a '92 S4? Thanks. --Calvin From knotnook at traverse.com Mon Apr 9 21:44:12 2001 From: knotnook at traverse.com (Kneale Brownson) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:52 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Borbet's In-Reply-To: <3AD22821.3579C6CB@snet.net> References: Message-ID: <4.3.1.2.20010409204219.00b3d850@traverse.com> I think Brett wanted a cheap rip-off Borbet look-alike. Me too :~). I like the Borbet-C's my car's PO used for summer wheels, and wanted to get something similar for winter tires. At 05:22 PM 04/09/2001 -0400, copley one wrote: >try this: >http://www.eliteone.com/wheels/borbet.htm >paul k > >_______________________________________________ >200q20v mailing list >200q20v@audifans.com >http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v > From C1J1Miller at aol.com Mon Apr 9 22:17:39 2001 From: C1J1Miller at aol.com (C1J1Miller@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:52 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Cam Shaft/Sprocket key failure Message-ID: <55.13d50117.2803b933@aol.com> In a message dated 4/9/01 6:18:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, b.m.benz@prodigy.net writes: > IMO, something put an abnormal torque load on the cam drive system. The old > distributor was replaced because of a bad drive gear? Gear pieces worked > their way into the timing chain? New dist. not installed properly, or > suffered infant mortallity? Let us know. > > Bernie > > > From: Arun Rao > > Organization: Pixar Animation Studios > > Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 13:08:34 -0700 > > To: TM > > Cc: packley@bellatlantic.net, "'Calvin & Diana Craig'" > > , "'Audi 200group'" <200q20v@audifans.com> > > Subject: Fatal design flaws (Was Re: [200q20v] What competition???) > > Check the s-car archives; think someone posted about a similar issue last week, immediately after a timing belt replacement. Chris From dpulvino at agraus.com Tue Apr 10 00:09:38 2001 From: dpulvino at agraus.com (Derek Pulvino) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:52 2003 Subject: [200q20v] (no subject) Message-ID: Dale, My car illustrates the same brake light characteristics (sitting on level ground with the brakes off, or coming off of speed, stomp the pedal hard and the brake light will momentarily illuminate) I'll too conjecture that the symptom ties back to the bomb. Pentosin was recently replaced; brake fluid levels, e-brake system, abs sensors, and pads are all fine (some of which are on seperate circuits). Differing here though from your testimony, my "bomb" does not pass the stringent "good bomb" tests. I also agree with Mr. 85k milers synopsis- it's not a problem; car's been doing it since I purchased (35k'ish miles), and as to be attested in a story to follow, panic stops are not an issue. Derek Pulvino Message: 2 Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 13:25:05 -0500 From: Dale McCormack Organization: Strategic Business Systems, Inc. To: Audi 91 200Q list <200q20v@audifans.com> Subject: [200q20v] Momentary Brake Warning light Request for focused wisdom input: Occasionally during a quick, hard brake application the red warning light will momentarily flash. No other time. Brake fluid level, pads, master cylinder float, all fine. Had a similar problem on an 87 type 44 too, it had ss brake lines. Comments invited. TIA, Dale McCormack From dpulvino at agraus.com Tue Apr 10 00:20:39 2001 From: dpulvino at agraus.com (Derek Pulvino) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:52 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Re: Door Handle Pull Message-ID: Max, Had that problem; try lubing the door mechanism contact points with some lithium grease. Unless someone else a better way, the main pain is taking the door panel off to access the machinery. May let you quote me on this, but don't think resistance in the door handle pull is indicative of lock cylinder arm problems. The more frequently used side will go first. Derek Pulvino Message: 13 Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 18:11:44 -0700 From: Max Conover Reply-To: maxesales@home.com To: maxesales@home.com Subject: [200q20v] Door Handle Pull Dear Listers, I am experiencing the following: when pulling up on either front door outside door handle, it hits a spot right before the door opens where you have to lift with more effort. It almost feels as if the door is locked but you are forcing it open by lifting the door handle. Has anyone else had this problem ? Am I due for the dreaded lock fix ? Car is 91 Avant with 76K. Thanks, Max From dpulvino at agraus.com Tue Apr 10 00:21:11 2001 From: dpulvino at agraus.com (Derek Pulvino) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:52 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Hello Body Shop Message-ID: From dpulvino at agraus.com Tue Apr 10 00:39:17 2001 From: dpulvino at agraus.com (Derek Pulvino) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:52 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Hello Body Shop (This time for real) Message-ID: Hey all, Well, chalk another one up for the miracle works. Paying a little too little attetion today, had to make a panic stop. Pleased to report my brakes performed wonders (peripherally saw the "brake" light come on, abs engaged). Unfortunately, the Chevy C2500 pickup behind me was paying slightly less attention. My car now has a very "non-factory" look. The metal will be easy, but matching pearl white... More to come as I the saga continues. Anybody with suggestions for the premier auto body shop in the Seattle area? Estoy mirando por buen suerte grata Derek Pulvino From linust at mindspring.com Tue Apr 10 01:20:51 2001 From: linust at mindspring.com (Linus Toy) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:52 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Hello Body Shop (This time for real) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20010410001704.01ab6868@mail.mindspring.com> At 11:39 PM 4/9/2001 -0700, Derek Pulvino wrote: >Anybody with suggestions for the premier auto body shop in the Seattle area? sorry to hear about your car...two places in the Seattle area I've seen do wonders with paint work are Bernard's (223-8th Ave N, 206-382-0921) and Callahan's on about 12th and Madison. Good luck. --Linus *--------------------------------------------------------------------* * Linus Toy Insanity is doing the same thing * * Mercer Island, WA you've always done and expecting * * linust@mindspring.com different results * * - Roger Milliken * *--------------------------------------------------------------------* From C1J1Miller at aol.com Tue Apr 10 09:06:18 2001 From: C1J1Miller at aol.com (C1J1Miller@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:52 2003 Subject: [200q20v] (no subject) Message-ID: One other thing lights up the "brake" light that I may not have mentioned yesterday; low pentosin level, or a sticky float in the reservoir. Pentosin levels in the reservoir changes slightly when the bomb is repressurized. Chris In a message dated Tue, 10 Apr 2001 2:11:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "Derek Pulvino" writes: << Dale, My car illustrates the same brake light characteristics (sitting on level ground with the brakes off, or coming off of speed, stomp the pedal hard and the brake light will momentarily illuminate) I'll too conjecture that the symptom ties back to the bomb. Pentosin was recently replaced; brake fluid levels, e-brake system, abs sensors, and pads are all fine (some of which are on seperate circuits). Differing here though from your testimony, my "bomb" does not pass the stringent "good bomb" tests. I also agree with Mr. 85k milers synopsis- it's not a problem; car's been doing it since I purchased (35k'ish miles), and as to be attested in a story to follow, panic stops are not an issue. Derek Pulvino Message: 2 Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 13:25:05 -0500 From: Dale McCormack Organization: Strategic Business Systems, Inc. To: Audi 91 200Q list <200q20v@audifans.com> Subject: [200q20v] Momentary Brake Warning light Request for focused wisdom input: Occasionally during a quick, hard brake application the red warning light will momentarily flash. No other time. Brake fluid level, pads, master cylinder float, all fine. Had a similar problem on an 87 type 44 too, it had ss brake lines. Comments invited. TIA, Dale McCormack _______________________________________________ 200q20v mailing list 200q20v@audifans.com http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v >> From montesawong at yahoo.com Tue Apr 10 07:29:09 2001 From: montesawong at yahoo.com (CL Wong) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:52 2003 Subject: [200q20v] wiring / Alarm / trunk question (keyless entry) Message-ID: <20010410132909.12144.qmail@web10102.mail.yahoo.com> Hi folks. I recently bought an Avital keyless entry device (ebay, $38 delivered) and plan on fitting it to my 200 using the wiring diagram for the autoloc keyless entry on the 20v.org site. Bentley seems to indicate that I could use 2 wires from the trunk lock to send a signal to the alarm control unit to fool it into arming and unarming. Can someone confirm that the trunk lock has this capability? I don't recall ever hearing the alarm "meep" when I locked the trunk separately and I'm not sure how to check the system is actually armed. thanks Chi __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From b.m.benz at prodigy.net Tue Apr 10 08:34:55 2001 From: b.m.benz at prodigy.net (Bernie Benz) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:52 2003 Subject: [200q20v] wiring / Alarm / trunk question (keyless entry) In-Reply-To: <20010410132909.12144.qmail@web10102.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Chi, I think that you need to do a little more in depth study into the 200's lock/alarm system and consider just how your RKE system can be integrated into it, as your questions and intent are not clear. IMO, intergrate your RKE into the Audi system, do not use electromechanical actuators to operate the audi door lock mechanisms. This requires that your RKE system have LOCK and UNLOCK relay outputs and that their pulse lengths be adjustable. See Chris Miller's web page for previous documentation. Bernie > From: CL Wong > Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 06:29:09 -0700 (PDT) > To: 200q <200q20v@audifans.com> > Subject: [200q20v] wiring / Alarm / trunk question (keyless entry) > > Hi folks. > > I recently bought an Avital keyless entry device > (ebay, $38 delivered) and plan on fitting it to my 200 > using the wiring diagram for the autoloc keyless entry > on the 20v.org site. > > Bentley seems to indicate that I could use 2 wires > from the trunk lock to send a signal to the alarm > control unit to fool it into arming and unarming. > > Can someone confirm that the trunk lock has this > capability? I don't recall ever hearing the alarm > "meep" when I locked the trunk separately and I'm not > sure how to check the system is actually armed. > > > thanks > Chi > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > 200q20v mailing list > 200q20v@audifans.com > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v From brett at brettd.dsl.speakeasy.net Tue Apr 10 11:42:22 2001 From: brett at brettd.dsl.speakeasy.net (Brett Dikeman) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:52 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Borbet's In-Reply-To: <20010409.222531.-645461.0.ekellock@juno.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 9 Apr 2001, Edward J Kellock wrote: > So with the spacer, that would be an net effect of ET25, right? Nope, sounds like I had it wrong. I heard somewhere that Greg was using a spacer on his wheels. Of course, none of this does me any good. I still can't find a single reseller that carries them. Ugh. I tried every link Chris had on his "wheels for 200q20v's" and came up short. B From brett at brettd.dsl.speakeasy.net Tue Apr 10 11:45:36 2001 From: brett at brettd.dsl.speakeasy.net (Brett Dikeman) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:52 2003 Subject: [200q20v] wiring / Alarm / trunk question (keyless entry) In-Reply-To: <20010410132909.12144.qmail@web10102.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: This sensor merely tells the alarm "hey, someone turned the lock mechanism, it's cool if you get a sensor opening here..." It doesn't arm/disarm the system. You need to tap into the system using either front door's sensors. Go in parallel for anything that's NO, series for anything that's NC. Brett On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, CL Wong wrote: > Hi folks. > > I recently bought an Avital keyless entry device > (ebay, $38 delivered) and plan on fitting it to my 200 > using the wiring diagram for the autoloc keyless entry > on the 20v.org site. > > Bentley seems to indicate that I could use 2 wires > from the trunk lock to send a signal to the alarm > control unit to fool it into arming and unarming. > > Can someone confirm that the trunk lock has this > capability? I don't recall ever hearing the alarm > "meep" when I locked the trunk separately and I'm not > sure how to check the system is actually armed. > > > thanks > Chi > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > 200q20v mailing list > 200q20v@audifans.com > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v > From crangus at rof.net Tue Apr 10 09:49:01 2001 From: crangus at rof.net (Craig Angus) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:52 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Hello Body Shop (This time for real) Message-ID: <3.0.32.20010410084900.00e205d4@rof.net> At 11:39 PM 4/9/01 -0700, you wrote: (. . .) >Well, chalk another one up for the miracle works. Paying a little too little attention today, had to make a panic stop. >The metal will be easy, but matching pearl white... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>REPLY>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does anyone know of a decent touch-up paint for smaller chips in the pearl white? Perhaps a little jar from the repaint mix (I think its a three layer process). My wife just got a nasty chip on the roof I can hardly stand to look at! Why do they always look so much worse when someone else does them... Thanks, Craig in CO From knotnook at traverse.com Tue Apr 10 12:32:36 2001 From: knotnook at traverse.com (Kneale Brownson) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:52 2003 Subject: [200q20v] (no subject) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.3.1.2.20010410112928.00b36480@traverse.com> At 11:09 PM 04/09/2001 -0700, Derek Pulvino wrote: >Differing here though from your testimony, my "bomb" does not pass the >stringent "good bomb" tests. > >I also agree with Mr. 85k milers synopsis- it's not a problem; car's been >doing it since I purchased (35k'ish miles), and as to be attested in a >story to follow, panic stops are not an issue. Panic stopping is not the problem. It's panic stopping with the engine shut down for whatever reason and no longer turning the hydraulic pump to supply boost. If you bomb doesn't hold pressure immediately after the engine is turned off, you no longer have boosted braking if the engine quits while you're going at any typical highway speed. You have unassisted hydraulic brakes. From C1J1Miller at aol.com Tue Apr 10 12:34:16 2001 From: C1J1Miller at aol.com (C1J1Miller@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:53 2003 Subject: [200q20v] (no subject) Message-ID: <6d.1219bad9.280481f9@aol.com> In a message dated Tue, 10 Apr 2001 11:28:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Kneale Brownson writes: << At 11:09 PM 04/09/2001 -0700, Derek Pulvino wrote: > Panic stopping is not the problem. It's panic stopping with the engine shut down for whatever reason and no longer turning the hydraulic pump to supply boost. If you bomb doesn't hold pressure immediately after the engine is turned off, you no longer have boosted braking if the engine quits while you're going at any typical highway speed. You have unassisted hydraulic brakes. >> Kind of funny, considering the list traffic lately on cars stalling after coming off boost. Sounds like when you need to stop? Chris From knotnook at traverse.com Tue Apr 10 12:44:15 2001 From: knotnook at traverse.com (Kneale Brownson) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:53 2003 Subject: [200q20v] (no subject) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.3.1.2.20010410114244.00b3fec0@traverse.com> At 08:06 AM 04/10/2001 -0400, C1J1Miller@aol.com wrote: >One other thing lights up the "brake" light that I may not have mentioned >yesterday; low pentosin level, or a sticky float in the reservoir. > >Pentosin levels in the reservoir changes slightly when the bomb is >repressurized. >Chris Doesn't the Pentosin level check procedure call for a level car with the oil fully warmed and the engine operating? From fundsaloracing at yahoo.com Tue Apr 10 09:43:42 2001 From: fundsaloracing at yahoo.com (Fundsalo Racing) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:53 2003 Subject: [200q20v] source for header for NA I5? In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20010410114244.00b3fec0@traverse.com> Message-ID: <20010410154342.42516.qmail@web13606.mail.yahoo.com> Anyone know of a source for a header for a normally aspirated I5? Thanks! -glen OOOO __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From alexn at seanet.com Tue Apr 10 10:44:13 2001 From: alexn at seanet.com (Alex) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:53 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Looking For Message-ID: <3AD3385D.D10E8AAD@seanet.com> Hi all, I am in the market for a couple of items. Number One: A speedo for a 1992 - 1994 S4. Number Two: A tranny for a 1985 - 1987 4000 Quattro. Please email me direct with any leads. TIA, Alex p.s. Adam could you please pass this on to the S-Car list? Thanks. From malth at umich.edu Tue Apr 10 13:56:47 2001 From: malth at umich.edu (Chris Covington) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:53 2003 Subject: [200q20v] source for header for NA I5? In-Reply-To: <20010410154342.42516.qmail@web13606.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: A wrecked 1990 CQ. Wouldn't the RS2, etc. headers work also? Chris '91 2cq On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Fundsalo Racing wrote: > > Anyone know of a source for a header for a normally > aspirated I5? > > Thanks! > > -glen > > OOOO > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > 200q20v mailing list > 200q20v@audifans.com > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v > From Vztante at aol.com Tue Apr 10 14:36:55 2001 From: Vztante at aol.com (Vztante@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:53 2003 Subject: [200q20v] alternator replaced, stereo fuzziness gone, stalling Message-ID: <21.a22af39.28049eb7@aol.com> Hi all, After having the alternator replaced a week ago, the static/fuzziness that I used to hear through the radio during throttle input is completely gone! On the other hand, the car now stalls once every other time I take it out, usually after coming off of boost, or coming to a stop. I wonder if the idle may be set too low. It seems to have a tendency to dip below the usual rpm as I come to a stop. Mitch Frey '00 A6 2.7t '91 200tq20v IA Stage 3 From Vztante at aol.com Tue Apr 10 14:38:43 2001 From: Vztante at aol.com (Vztante@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:53 2003 Subject: [200q20v] where to buy replacement amp for rear speaker? Message-ID: One of mine was replaced by the PO. The other now seems to go in and out. No popping yet. TIA, Mitch Frey '00 A6 2.7t '91 200tq20v IA Stage 3 From brett at brettd.dsl.speakeasy.net Tue Apr 10 18:07:30 2001 From: brett at brettd.dsl.speakeasy.net (Brett Dikeman) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:53 2003 Subject: [200q20v] where to buy replacement amp for rear speaker? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: http://www.audifans.com Click on Parts/Vendors for a complete list. Favorites include Mac@Clair Parts, Linda@Carlsen, etc. Carlsen=west coast, Clair=east coast. Brett On Tue, 10 Apr 2001 Vztante@aol.com wrote: > One of mine was replaced by the PO. The other now seems to go in and out. > No popping yet. > > TIA, > > Mitch Frey > '00 A6 2.7t > '91 200tq20v IA Stage 3 > _______________________________________________ > 200q20v mailing list > 200q20v@audifans.com > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v > From b.m.benz at prodigy.net Tue Apr 10 17:44:48 2001 From: b.m.benz at prodigy.net (Bernie Benz) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:53 2003 Subject: [200q20v] wiring / Alarm / trunk question (keyless entry) In-Reply-To: <20010410154555.37900.qmail@web10102.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I don't know where or how to get you started, if you don't know an amp from a volt. you need a knowlegable, helpful, and nearby friend. Have you read and down loaded all the stuff from Chris' site? I have contributed some integrating wiring diagrams thereto. The easiest install RKEs are those that have the output relays built in, neater, more compact, and less wiring to do. You should be looking for instructions for integrating with an "electrically activated vacuum locking system", some call it a Type E system, as used by MB and Audi. I think that the "one wire systems" Type F, also called Cut to lock, Ground to unlock, were used only on rice burners. Bernie > From: CL Wong > Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 08:45:55 -0700 (PDT) > To: Bernie Benz > Subject: Re: [200q20v] wiring / Alarm / trunk question (keyless entry) > > Bernie, > > I need to first understand how to read bentley. Maybe > it's because I don't have an engineering background > but those wiring diagrams are virtually meaningless to > me. > > Can you give me a hint where I could integrate? The > rke directions seem to indicate the use of relays for > audi "one wire" applications. > > thanks > > Chi. > > --- Bernie Benz wrote: >> Chi, >> >> I think that you need to do a little more in depth >> study into the 200's >> lock/alarm system and consider just how your RKE >> system can be integrated >> into it, as your questions and intent are not clear. >> >> IMO, intergrate your RKE into the Audi system, do >> not use electromechanical >> actuators to operate the audi door lock mechanisms. >> This requires that your >> RKE system have LOCK and UNLOCK relay outputs and >> that their pulse lengths >> be adjustable. See Chris Miller's web page for >> previous documentation. >> >> Bernie >> >>> From: CL Wong >>> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 06:29:09 -0700 (PDT) >>> To: 200q <200q20v@audifans.com> >>> Subject: [200q20v] wiring / Alarm / trunk question >> (keyless entry) >>> >>> Hi folks. >>> >>> I recently bought an Avital keyless entry device >>> (ebay, $38 delivered) and plan on fitting it to my >> 200 >>> using the wiring diagram for the autoloc keyless >> entry >>> on the 20v.org site. >>> >>> Bentley seems to indicate that I could use 2 wires >>> from the trunk lock to send a signal to the alarm >>> control unit to fool it into arming and unarming. >>> >>> Can someone confirm that the trunk lock has this >>> capability? I don't recall ever hearing the alarm >>> "meep" when I locked the trunk separately and I'm >> not >>> sure how to check the system is actually armed. >>> >>> >>> thanks >>> Chi >>> >>> >>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>> Do You Yahoo!? >>> Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. >>> http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> 200q20v mailing list >>> 200q20v@audifans.com >>> http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dpulvino at agraus.com Tue Apr 10 19:32:14 2001 From: dpulvino at agraus.com (Derek Pulvino) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:53 2003 Subject: [200q20v] (no subject) Message-ID: Kneale, God lord! No steering, and no brakes? Hope next time a "panic stop" comes up, my car doesn't decide it's time to simultaneously stop running. Now that'd be one in a million. If the tbv goes out, guess it'll be time to replace it or the bomb, stat! Although I guess a bad vacuum assist system would also loose strength with the engine running, I wonder how much reserve assist is in one of those systems. Derek P <<< Kneale Brownson 4/10 8:27a >>> At 11:09 PM 04/09/2001 -0700, Derek Pulvino wrote: >Differing here though from your testimony, my "bomb" does not pass the >stringent "good bomb" tests. > >I also agree with Mr. 85k milers synopsis- it's not a problem; car's been >doing it since I purchased (35k'ish miles), and as to be attested in a >story to follow, panic stops are not an issue. Panic stopping is not the problem. It's panic stopping with the engine shut down for whatever reason and no longer turning the hydraulic pump to supply boost. If you bomb doesn't hold pressure immediately after the engine is turned off, you no longer have boosted braking if the engine quits while you're going at any typical highway speed. You have unassisted hydraulic brakes. From knotnook at traverse.com Tue Apr 10 22:49:21 2001 From: knotnook at traverse.com (Kneale Brownson) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:53 2003 Subject: [200q20v] (no subject) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.3.1.2.20010410214632.00b461f0@traverse.com> You'd have both steering and brakes, but no assist. Just like we used to drive before power-everything. The vacuum-assist braking systems in Audi 4K's would get you stopped OK if the engine quit at speed. At 06:32 PM 04/10/2001 -0700, Derek Pulvino wrote: >Kneale, > >God lord! No steering, and no brakes? Hope next time a "panic stop" comes >up, my car doesn't decide it's time to simultaneously stop running. Now >that'd be one in a million. > >If the tbv goes out, guess it'll be time to replace it or the bomb, stat! > >Although I guess a bad vacuum assist system would also loose strength with >the engine running, I wonder how much reserve assist is in one of those >systems. > >Derek P > ><<< Kneale Brownson 4/10 8:27a >>> >At 11:09 PM 04/09/2001 -0700, Derek Pulvino wrote: > > >Differing here though from your testimony, my "bomb" does not pass the > >stringent "good bomb" tests. > > > >I also agree with Mr. 85k milers synopsis- it's not a problem; car's been > >doing it since I purchased (35k'ish miles), and as to be attested in a > >story to follow, panic stops are not an issue. > > >Panic stopping is not the problem. It's panic stopping with the engine >shut down for whatever reason and no longer turning the hydraulic pump to >supply boost. If you bomb doesn't hold pressure immediately after the >engine is turned off, you no longer have boosted braking if the engine >quits while you're going at any typical highway speed. You have unassisted >hydraulic brakes. > > > > From linust at mindspring.com Tue Apr 10 22:10:19 2001 From: linust at mindspring.com (Linus Toy) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:53 2003 Subject: [200q20v] source for header for NA I5? In-Reply-To: <20010410154342.42516.qmail@web13606.mail.yahoo.com> References: <4.3.1.2.20010410114244.00b3fec0@traverse.com> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20010410210925.00a6a078@mail.mindspring.com> At 08:43 AM 4/10/2001 -0700, Fundsalo Racing wrote: >Anyone know of a source for a header for a normally >aspirated I5? > >Thanks! > >-glen Don't recall which cars you have, but I understand the stock manifold off the later 4kcsq ('85 > '87) were really quite good. Probably true for the later 80/90q cars as well. --Linus *--------------------------------------------------------------------* * Linus Toy Insanity is doing the same thing * * Mercer Island, WA you've always done and expecting * * linust@mindspring.com different results * * - Roger Milliken * *--------------------------------------------------------------------* From fundsaloracing at yahoo.com Wed Apr 11 05:45:07 2001 From: fundsaloracing at yahoo.com (Fundsalo Racing) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:53 2003 Subject: [200q20v] source for header for NA I5? In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20010410210925.00a6a078@mail.mindspring.com> Message-ID: <20010411114507.38200.qmail@web13603.mail.yahoo.com> Do you have information to the effect that the 4KQ 85 > 87 systems is any better Vs the 4KQ 84 system? I had thought they were identical, cast 5-into-3 EM bolts to head and tubular 3-into-1 bolts to EM. It is a very nice factory system, takes advantage of the 5-into-3-into-1 design and is quiet and long-lasting due to the cast EM at the head Vs 100% tubular. Thoughts? Thanks! -glen OOOO --- Linus Toy wrote: > At 08:43 AM 4/10/2001 -0700, Fundsalo Racing wrote: > > >Anyone know of a source for a header for a normally > >aspirated I5? > > > >Thanks! > > > >-glen > > Don't recall which cars you have, but I understand > the stock manifold off > the later 4kcsq ('85 > '87) were really quite good. > Probably true for the > later 80/90q cars as well. > > --Linus > *--------------------------------------------------------------------* > * Linus Toy Insanity is doing > the same thing * > * Mercer Island, WA you've always done > and expecting * > * linust@mindspring.com different results > * > * - Roger > Milliken * > *--------------------------------------------------------------------* __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From gregsj at iea.com Wed Apr 11 07:30:41 2001 From: gregsj at iea.com (Greg Johnson) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:53 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Suspension Bushings Message-ID: <3AD45C81.CB009D42@iea.com> My '91 200 TQA is just over 10 years old. I have been thinking about replacing all of its suspension bushings. Any BTDTs and if so, about how much did it cost? Greg J From dpulvino at agraus.com Wed Apr 11 09:15:22 2001 From: dpulvino at agraus.com (Derek Pulvino) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:53 2003 Subject: [200q20v] (no subject) Message-ID: Tremendously handicapped however. Derek <<< Kneale Brownson 4/10 6:43p >>> You'd have both steering and brakes, but no assist. Just like we used to drive before power-everything. The vacuum-assist braking systems in Audi 4K's would get you stopped OK if the engine quit at speed. At 06:32 PM 04/10/2001 -0700, Derek Pulvino wrote: >Kneale, > >God lord! No steering, and no brakes? Hope next time a "panic stop" comes >up, my car doesn't decide it's time to simultaneously stop running. Now >that'd be one in a million. > >If the tbv goes out, guess it'll be time to replace it or the bomb, stat! > >Although I guess a bad vacuum assist system would also loose strength with >the engine running, I wonder how much reserve assist is in one of those >systems. > >Derek P > ><<< Kneale Brownson 4/10 8:27a >>> >At 11:09 PM 04/09/2001 -0700, Derek Pulvino wrote: > > >Differing here though from your testimony, my "bomb" does not pass the > >stringent "good bomb" tests. > > > >I also agree with Mr. 85k milers synopsis- it's not a problem; car's been > >doing it since I purchased (35k'ish miles), and as to be attested in a > >story to follow, panic stops are not an issue. > > >Panic stopping is not the problem. It's panic stopping with the engine >shut down for whatever reason and no longer turning the hydraulic pump to >supply boost. If you bomb doesn't hold pressure immediately after the >engine is turned off, you no longer have boosted braking if the engine >quits while you're going at any typical highway speed. You have unassisted >hydraulic brakes. > > > > From pck at gte.net Wed Apr 11 11:47:12 2001 From: pck at gte.net (Pete Kunzler) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:53 2003 Subject: [200q20v] source for header for NA I5? Message-ID: <00af01c0c2af$72bf9f40$99ff153f@petekunz> The 84-87 are the same headers. It is a better system than the single pipe that came on the coupes. That is what accounted for the 10-15 horse increase that the 4k had over the coupe. This is a common upgrade for the coupe owners. Pete -----Original Message----- From: Fundsalo Racing To: Linus Toy ; 200q20v@audifans.com <200q20v@audifans.com> Date: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 4:46 AM Subject: Re: [200q20v] source for header for NA I5? > >Do you have information to the effect that the 4KQ 85 >> 87 systems is any better Vs the 4KQ 84 system? I had >thought they were identical, cast 5-into-3 EM bolts to >head and tubular 3-into-1 bolts to EM. It is a very >nice factory system, takes advantage of the >5-into-3-into-1 design and is quiet and long-lasting >due to the cast EM at the head Vs 100% tubular. >Thoughts? > >Thanks! > >-glen > >OOOO From gregsj at iea.com Wed Apr 11 21:33:02 2001 From: gregsj at iea.com (Greg Johnson) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:53 2003 Subject: [200q20v] source for header for NA I5? Message-ID: <3AD521EE.8ED88211@iea.com> I recently saw the exhaust manifold from a 91-20V Coupe and it looked pretty good. Let me see, it's still where I saw it last. Greg J From linust at mindspring.com Thu Apr 12 00:36:23 2001 From: linust at mindspring.com (Linus Toy) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:53 2003 Subject: [200q20v] source for header for NA I5? In-Reply-To: <20010411114507.38200.qmail@web13603.mail.yahoo.com> References: <4.2.0.58.20010410210925.00a6a078@mail.mindspring.com> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20010411233408.00ae6738@mail.mindspring.com> At 04:45 AM 4/11/2001 -0700, Fundsalo Racing wrote: >Do you have information to the effect that the 4KQ 85 > > 87 systems is any better Vs the 4KQ 84 system? I had >thought they were identical, cast 5-into-3 EM bolts to >head and tubular 3-into-1 bolts to EM. It is a very >nice factory system, takes advantage of the >5-into-3-into-1 design and is quiet and long-lasting >due to the cast EM at the head Vs 100% tubular. >Thoughts? > >Thanks! > >-glen Sorry, no. you might check the family album to see if the p/n are the same or different. Related thought: I once spoke with a tech at Borla, inquiring about systems for the 4kcsq. This was back in the late 80s when they were still new, but few exhaust systems needed replacement then, so very limited market. At any rate, his comment was that they were having (then) a tough time improving on the factory system. Interesting. --Linus *--------------------------------------------------------------------* * Linus Toy Insanity is doing the same thing * * Mercer Island, WA you've always done and expecting * * linust@mindspring.com different results * * - Roger Milliken * *--------------------------------------------------------------------* From fundsaloracing at yahoo.com Thu Apr 12 06:30:01 2001 From: fundsaloracing at yahoo.com (Fundsalo Racing) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:53 2003 Subject: [200q20v] source for header for NA I5? In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20010411233408.00ae6738@mail.mindspring.com> Message-ID: <20010412123001.23786.qmail@web13602.mail.yahoo.com> I think one reason it is so difficult to improve on is that Audi required the 4KQ to be just as fast or faster Vs the Coupe GT of the same vintage for marketing reasons. They designed a special 2-piece cast/tubular heaser system and a very good exhaust system to get 5+ HP more from the otherwise identical engine in the Coupe GT to overcome the additional weight of the AWD and keep the 4KQ as fast or faster Vs the Coupe GT of the day. They put a lot of extra development work and expense into the 4KQ exaust for this reason. -glen OOOO --- Linus Toy wrote: > At 04:45 AM 4/11/2001 -0700, Fundsalo Racing wrote: > > >Do you have information to the effect that the 4KQ > 85 > > > 87 systems is any better Vs the 4KQ 84 system? I > had > >thought they were identical, cast 5-into-3 EM bolts > to > >head and tubular 3-into-1 bolts to EM. It is a very > >nice factory system, takes advantage of the > >5-into-3-into-1 design and is quiet and > long-lasting > >due to the cast EM at the head Vs 100% tubular. > >Thoughts? > > > >Thanks! > > > >-glen > > Sorry, no. you might check the family album to see > if the p/n are the same > or different. > Related thought: I once spoke with a tech at Borla, > inquiring about > systems for the 4kcsq. This was back in the late > 80s when they were still > new, but few exhaust systems needed replacement > then, so very limited > market. At any rate, his comment was that they were > having (then) a tough > time improving on the factory system. Interesting. > > --Linus > *--------------------------------------------------------------------* > * Linus Toy Insanity is doing > the same thing * > * Mercer Island, WA you've always done > and expecting * > * linust@mindspring.com different results > * > * - Roger > Milliken * > *--------------------------------------------------------------------* __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From malth at umich.edu Thu Apr 12 09:39:07 2001 From: malth at umich.edu (Chris Covington) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:53 2003 Subject: [200q20v] source for header for NA I5? In-Reply-To: <20010412123001.23786.qmail@web13602.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: But didn't the 87.5 Coupe GT have more power than any other 4KQ EVER (130hp?)? And I'm sure with more power and less weight, it was faster. I'm not so sure that the 4KQ was 'supposed' to be just as fast as the Coupe GT. Chris '91 2cq On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Fundsalo Racing wrote: > I think one reason it is so difficult to improve on is > that Audi required the 4KQ to be just as fast or > faster Vs the Coupe GT of the same vintage for > marketing reasons. They designed a special 2-piece > cast/tubular heaser system and a very good exhaust > system to get 5+ HP more from the otherwise identical > engine in the Coupe GT to overcome the additional > weight of the AWD and keep the 4KQ as fast or faster > Vs the Coupe GT of the day. They put a lot of extra > development work and expense into the 4KQ exaust for > this reason. > > -glen > > OOOO > > --- Linus Toy wrote: > > At 04:45 AM 4/11/2001 -0700, Fundsalo Racing wrote: > > > > >Do you have information to the effect that the 4KQ > > 85 > > > > 87 systems is any better Vs the 4KQ 84 system? I > > had > > >thought they were identical, cast 5-into-3 EM bolts > > to > > >head and tubular 3-into-1 bolts to EM. It is a very > > >nice factory system, takes advantage of the > > >5-into-3-into-1 design and is quiet and > > long-lasting > > >due to the cast EM at the head Vs 100% tubular. > > >Thoughts? > > > > > >Thanks! > > > > > >-glen > > > > Sorry, no. you might check the family album to see > > if the p/n are the same > > or different. > > Related thought: I once spoke with a tech at Borla, > > inquiring about > > systems for the 4kcsq. This was back in the late > > 80s when they were still > > new, but few exhaust systems needed replacement > > then, so very limited > > market. At any rate, his comment was that they were > > having (then) a tough > > time improving on the factory system. Interesting. > > > > --Linus > > > *--------------------------------------------------------------------* > > * Linus Toy Insanity is doing > > the same thing * > > * Mercer Island, WA you've always done > > and expecting * > > * linust@mindspring.com different results > > * > > * - Roger > > Milliken * > > > *--------------------------------------------------------------------* > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > 200q20v mailing list > 200q20v@audifans.com > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v > From C1J1Miller at aol.com Thu Apr 12 09:45:15 2001 From: C1J1Miller at aol.com (C1J1Miller@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:53 2003 Subject: [200q20v] source for header for NA I5? Message-ID: <33.13772498.2806fd60@aol.com> The 87.5 coupe was sold here as the "last" coupe in USA until the '90/91 new body style car; don't know what happened overseas. Keep in mind we're usually a year or two late on what we get; the new body style 4000 (read our '88 on 80/90) was out with the 130 hp engine/ CIS-EIII everywhere else, so it really was Audi not upgrading the last of the 4kq's... Chris In a message dated Thu, 12 Apr 2001 8:40:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Chris Covington writes: << But didn't the 87.5 Coupe GT have more power than any other 4KQ EVER (130hp?)? And I'm sure with more power and less weight, it was faster. I'm not so sure that the 4KQ was 'supposed' to be just as fast as the Coupe GT. Chris '91 2cq On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Fundsalo Racing wrote: > I think one reason it is so difficult to improve on is > that Audi required the 4KQ to be just as fast or > faster Vs the Coupe GT of the same vintage for > marketing reasons. They designed a special 2-piece > cast/tubular heaser system and a very good exhaust > system to get 5+ HP more from the otherwise identical > engine in the Coupe GT to overcome the additional > weight of the AWD and keep the 4KQ as fast or faster > Vs the Coupe GT of the day. They put a lot of extra > development work and expense into the 4KQ exaust for > this reason. > > -glen > > OOOO > > --- Linus Toy wrote: > > At 04:45 AM 4/11/2001 -0700, Fundsalo Racing wrote: > > > > >Do you have information to the effect that the 4KQ > > 85 > > > > 87 systems is any better Vs the 4KQ 84 system? I > > had > > >thought they were identical, cast 5-into-3 EM bolts > > to > > >head and tubular 3-into-1 bolts to EM. It is a very > > >nice factory system, takes advantage of the > > >5-into-3-into-1 design and is quiet and > > long-lasting > > >due to the cast EM at the head Vs 100% tubular. > > >Thoughts? > > > > > >Thanks! > > > > > >-glen > > > > Sorry, no. you might check the family album to see > > if the p/n are the same > > or different. > > Related thought: I once spoke with a tech at Borla, > > inquiring about > > systems for the 4kcsq. This was back in the late > > 80s when they were still > > new, but few exhaust systems needed replacement > > then, so very limited > > market. At any rate, his comment was that they were > > having (then) a tough > > time improving on the factory system. Interesting. > > > > --Linus > > > *--------------------------------------------------------------------* > > * Linus Toy Insanity is doing > > the same thing * > > * Mercer Island, WA you've always done > > and expecting * > > * linust@mindspring.com different results > > * > > * - Roger > > Milliken * > > > *--------------------------------------------------------------------* > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > 200q20v mailing list > 200q20v@audifans.com > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v > _______________________________________________ 200q20v mailing list 200q20v@audifans.com http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v >> From fundsaloracing at yahoo.com Thu Apr 12 06:48:36 2001 From: fundsaloracing at yahoo.com (Fundsalo Racing) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:53 2003 Subject: [200q20v] source for header for NA I5? In-Reply-To: <33.13772498.2806fd60@aol.com> Message-ID: <20010412124836.18399.qmail@web13606.mail.yahoo.com> The last (some?) of the Coupe GTs here in the US got the 130/136/137HP (depending who you ask) engine with higher compression, piston squirters, better oil-pan baffling, etc. Not a direct comparison with the older Coupe GTs and the 4KQs of US-spec. -glen OOOO --- C1J1Miller@aol.com wrote: > The 87.5 coupe was sold here as the "last" coupe in > USA until the '90/91 new body style car; don't know > what happened overseas. > > Keep in mind we're usually a year or two late on > what we get; the new body style 4000 (read our '88 > on 80/90) was out with the 130 hp engine/ CIS-EIII > everywhere else, so it really was Audi not upgrading > the last of the 4kq's... > Chris > > In a message dated Thu, 12 Apr 2001 8:40:44 AM > Eastern Daylight Time, Chris Covington > writes: > > << But didn't the 87.5 Coupe GT have more power than > any other 4KQ EVER > (130hp?)? And I'm sure with more power and less > weight, it was faster. > I'm not so sure that the 4KQ was 'supposed' to be > just as fast as the > Coupe GT. > > Chris > '91 2cq > > > On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Fundsalo Racing wrote: > > > I think one reason it is so difficult to improve > on is > > that Audi required the 4KQ to be just as fast or > > faster Vs the Coupe GT of the same vintage for > > marketing reasons. They designed a special 2-piece > > cast/tubular heaser system and a very good exhaust > > system to get 5+ HP more from the otherwise > identical > > engine in the Coupe GT to overcome the additional > > weight of the AWD and keep the 4KQ as fast or > faster > > Vs the Coupe GT of the day. They put a lot of > extra > > development work and expense into the 4KQ exaust > for > > this reason. > > > > -glen > > > > OOOO > > > > --- Linus Toy wrote: > > > At 04:45 AM 4/11/2001 -0700, Fundsalo Racing > wrote: > > > > > > >Do you have information to the effect that the > 4KQ > > > 85 > > > > > 87 systems is any better Vs the 4KQ 84 > system? I > > > had > > > >thought they were identical, cast 5-into-3 EM > bolts > > > to > > > >head and tubular 3-into-1 bolts to EM. It is a > very > > > >nice factory system, takes advantage of the > > > >5-into-3-into-1 design and is quiet and > > > long-lasting > > > >due to the cast EM at the head Vs 100% tubular. > > > >Thoughts? > > > > > > > >Thanks! > > > > > > > >-glen > > > > > > Sorry, no. you might check the family album to > see > > > if the p/n are the same > > > or different. > > > Related thought: I once spoke with a tech at > Borla, > > > inquiring about > > > systems for the 4kcsq. This was back in the > late > > > 80s when they were still > > > new, but few exhaust systems needed replacement > > > then, so very limited > > > market. At any rate, his comment was that they > were > > > having (then) a tough > > > time improving on the factory system. > Interesting. > > > > > > --Linus > > > > > > *--------------------------------------------------------------------* > > > * Linus Toy Insanity is > doing > > > the same thing * > > > * Mercer Island, WA you've always > done > > > and expecting * > > > * linust@mindspring.com different > results > > > * > > > * - Roger > > > Milliken * > > > > > > *--------------------------------------------------------------------* > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > > 200q20v mailing list > > 200q20v@audifans.com > > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v > > > > _______________________________________________ > 200q20v mailing list > 200q20v@audifans.com > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v > >> > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From malth at umich.edu Thu Apr 12 10:39:18 2001 From: malth at umich.edu (Chris Covington) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:53 2003 Subject: [200q20v] source for header for NA I5? In-Reply-To: <20010412124836.18399.qmail@web13606.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Well, they're both 87 models, so I have a hard time believing that comparing an 87 4KQ with an 87.5 CGT is not applicable. I think Audi just knew that the CGT was the sportier and faster car, and didn't try to keep the 4KQ faster, for some reason. Chris '91 2cq On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Fundsalo Racing wrote: > The last (some?) of the Coupe GTs here in the US got > the 130/136/137HP (depending who you ask) engine with > higher compression, piston squirters, better oil-pan > baffling, etc. Not a direct comparison with the older > Coupe GTs and the 4KQs of US-spec. > > -glen > > OOOO > > --- C1J1Miller@aol.com wrote: > > The 87.5 coupe was sold here as the "last" coupe in > > USA until the '90/91 new body style car; don't know > > what happened overseas. > > > > Keep in mind we're usually a year or two late on > > what we get; the new body style 4000 (read our '88 > > on 80/90) was out with the 130 hp engine/ CIS-EIII > > everywhere else, so it really was Audi not upgrading > > the last of the 4kq's... > > Chris > > > > In a message dated Thu, 12 Apr 2001 8:40:44 AM > > Eastern Daylight Time, Chris Covington > > writes: > > > > << But didn't the 87.5 Coupe GT have more power than > > any other 4KQ EVER > > (130hp?)? And I'm sure with more power and less > > weight, it was faster. > > I'm not so sure that the 4KQ was 'supposed' to be > > just as fast as the > > Coupe GT. > > > > Chris > > '91 2cq > > > > > > On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Fundsalo Racing wrote: > > > > > I think one reason it is so difficult to improve > > on is > > > that Audi required the 4KQ to be just as fast or > > > faster Vs the Coupe GT of the same vintage for > > > marketing reasons. They designed a special 2-piece > > > cast/tubular heaser system and a very good exhaust > > > system to get 5+ HP more from the otherwise > > identical > > > engine in the Coupe GT to overcome the additional > > > weight of the AWD and keep the 4KQ as fast or > > faster > > > Vs the Coupe GT of the day. They put a lot of > > extra > > > development work and expense into the 4KQ exaust > > for > > > this reason. > > > > > > -glen > > > > > > OOOO > > > > > > --- Linus Toy wrote: > > > > At 04:45 AM 4/11/2001 -0700, Fundsalo Racing > > wrote: > > > > > > > > >Do you have information to the effect that the > > 4KQ > > > > 85 > > > > > > 87 systems is any better Vs the 4KQ 84 > > system? I > > > > had > > > > >thought they were identical, cast 5-into-3 EM > > bolts > > > > to > > > > >head and tubular 3-into-1 bolts to EM. It is a > > very > > > > >nice factory system, takes advantage of the > > > > >5-into-3-into-1 design and is quiet and > > > > long-lasting > > > > >due to the cast EM at the head Vs 100% tubular. > > > > >Thoughts? > > > > > > > > > >Thanks! > > > > > > > > > >-glen > > > > > > > > Sorry, no. you might check the family album to > > see > > > > if the p/n are the same > > > > or different. > > > > Related thought: I once spoke with a tech at > > Borla, > > > > inquiring about > > > > systems for the 4kcsq. This was back in the > > late > > > > 80s when they were still > > > > new, but few exhaust systems needed replacement > > > > then, so very limited > > > > market. At any rate, his comment was that they > > were > > > > having (then) a tough > > > > time improving on the factory system. > > Interesting. > > > > > > > > --Linus > > > > > > > > > > *--------------------------------------------------------------------* > > > > * Linus Toy Insanity is > > doing > > > > the same thing * > > > > * Mercer Island, WA you've always > > done > > > > and expecting * > > > > * linust@mindspring.com different > > results > > > > * > > > > * - Roger > > > > Milliken * > > > > > > > > > > *--------------------------------------------------------------------* > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > > > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > > > 200q20v mailing list > > > 200q20v@audifans.com > > > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > 200q20v mailing list > > 200q20v@audifans.com > > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v > > >> > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > 200q20v mailing list > 200q20v@audifans.com > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v > From C1J1Miller at aol.com Thu Apr 12 10:46:18 2001 From: C1J1Miller at aol.com (C1J1Miller@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:53 2003 Subject: [200q20v] source for header for NA I5? Message-ID: Nah, I think it was that Audi was discontinuing the 4kq platform (sedan), while the coupe continued for a bit. Way I look at it is similar to the 95.5 S6; it really was the next model year, but who wants to spend all that money certifying it for USA sale, when you don't plan on selling many of them? Lot of work to introduce a new engine management system, dash, etc. to a platform. Since the 4000 sedan was dead (and replaced), and the coupe wasn't ready yet, they continued to develop it a bit. They even sold it as a quattro (non-turbo, non-flared fenders, not made by hand) for a while over seas. Chris In a message dated Thu, 12 Apr 2001 9:39:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Chris Covington writes: << Well, they're both 87 models, so I have a hard time believing that comparing an 87 4KQ with an 87.5 CGT is not applicable. I think Audi just knew that the CGT was the sportier and faster car, and didn't try to keep the 4KQ faster, for some reason. Chris '91 2cq >> From prl at ptc.com Thu Apr 12 11:11:34 2001 From: prl at ptc.com (Paul R Luevano) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:53 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Wheel repair Message-ID: <3AD5B796.51987588@ptc.com> Another option for wheel repair is "Rim Pro" in Woburn, MA. 781-932-3132. No personal experience, but a co-worker had his wheels (Dorf SVT) refinished there when monkey lads scuffed up his wheels with an impact gun. He said he was skeptical, but when they were done they looked better than new. I plan of having them refinish the wheels on the 200 20V this summer. Just FYI. -- ____________________________________________________________________ Paul Luevano | AMA #418487 |'99 CBR 600F4 (Racebike) http://teamdaemon.com | USM * CCS #898|'97 CBR 1100XX (Streetbike) Waltham, MA USA | NMA #116657 |'91 200TQ20V (Winter) ________"Man's purpose is to live, not to exist."-Jack London_______ From copley at snet.net Thu Apr 12 11:27:21 2001 From: copley at snet.net (copley one) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:53 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Wheel repair References: <3AD5B796.51987588@ptc.com> Message-ID: <3AD5BB48.E8F987F2@snet.net> Wheelcraft in Wallingford,CT is still expensive but good: $175. Recently sent a now-suddenly-unobtainable Borbet C up there. Paul K From C1J1Miller at aol.com Thu Apr 12 11:28:32 2001 From: C1J1Miller at aol.com (C1J1Miller@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:53 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Wheel repair Message-ID: <8.12f0fac5.28071590@aol.com> Good article on VWVortex this morning; see: http://www.vwvortex.com/features/index_alloywheel.html Chris In a message dated Thu, 12 Apr 2001 10:13:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "Paul R Luevano" writes: << Another option for wheel repair is "Rim Pro" in Woburn, MA. 781-932-3132. No personal experience, but a co-worker had his wheels (Dorf SVT) refinished there when monkey lads scuffed up his wheels with an impact gun. He said he was skeptical, but when they were done they looked better than new. I plan of having them refinish the wheels on the 200 20V this summer. Just FYI. -- ____________________________________________________________________ Paul Luevano | AMA #418487 |'99 CBR 600F4 (Racebike) http://teamdaemon.com | USM * CCS #898|'97 CBR 1100XX (Streetbike) Waltham, MA USA | NMA #116657 |'91 200TQ20V (Winter) ________"Man's purpose is to live, not to exist."-Jack London_______ _______________________________________________ 200q20v mailing list 200q20v@audifans.com http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v >> From montesawong at yahoo.com Thu Apr 12 08:29:32 2001 From: montesawong at yahoo.com (CL Wong) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:53 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Wheel repair In-Reply-To: <3AD5BB48.E8F987F2@snet.net> Message-ID: <20010412142932.33381.qmail@web10103.mail.yahoo.com> I have a Ronal R28 that needs a minor dent repaired but paying $120-150 to repair a wheel that cost $195 doesn't seem like a great deal. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From fundsaloracing at yahoo.com Thu Apr 12 09:09:18 2001 From: fundsaloracing at yahoo.com (Fundsalo Racing) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:53 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Wheel repair In-Reply-To: <3AD5B796.51987588@ptc.com> Message-ID: <20010412150918.49791.qmail@web13603.mail.yahoo.com> They did good werk for me but others have had diffent luck with them.... -glen OOOO --- Paul R Luevano wrote: > Another option for wheel repair is "Rim Pro" in > Woburn, MA. 781-932-3132. No > personal experience, but a co-worker had his wheels > (Dorf SVT) refinished there > when monkey lads scuffed up his wheels with an > impact gun. He said he was > skeptical, but when they were done they looked > better than new. > > I plan of having them refinish the wheels on the 200 > 20V this summer. > > Just FYI. > > -- > ____________________________________________________________________ > Paul Luevano | AMA #418487 |'99 CBR > 600F4 (Racebike) > http://teamdaemon.com | USM * CCS #898|'97 CBR > 1100XX (Streetbike) > Waltham, MA USA | NMA #116657 |'91 > 200TQ20V (Winter) > ________"Man's purpose is to live, not to > exist."-Jack London_______ > _______________________________________________ > 200q20v mailing list > 200q20v@audifans.com > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From fundsaloracing at yahoo.com Thu Apr 12 09:14:14 2001 From: fundsaloracing at yahoo.com (Fundsalo Racing) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:53 2003 Subject: [200q20v] source for header for NA I5? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010412151414.80015.qmail@web13608.mail.yahoo.com> Very different engines, the 84-87 4KQ Vs the 130HP 87.5 CGT. -glen OOOO --- Chris Covington wrote: > Well, they're both 87 models, so I have a hard time > believing that > comparing an 87 4KQ with an 87.5 CGT is not > applicable. I think Audi just > knew that the CGT was the sportier and faster car, > and didn't try to keep > the 4KQ faster, for some reason. > > Chris > '91 2cq > > On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Fundsalo Racing wrote: > > > The last (some?) of the Coupe GTs here in the US > got > > the 130/136/137HP (depending who you ask) engine > with > > higher compression, piston squirters, better > oil-pan > > baffling, etc. Not a direct comparison with the > older > > Coupe GTs and the 4KQs of US-spec. > > > > -glen > > > > OOOO > > > > --- C1J1Miller@aol.com wrote: > > > The 87.5 coupe was sold here as the "last" coupe > in > > > USA until the '90/91 new body style car; don't > know > > > what happened overseas. > > > > > > Keep in mind we're usually a year or two late on > > > what we get; the new body style 4000 (read our > '88 > > > on 80/90) was out with the 130 hp engine/ > CIS-EIII > > > everywhere else, so it really was Audi not > upgrading > > > the last of the 4kq's... > > > Chris > > > > > > In a message dated Thu, 12 Apr 2001 8:40:44 AM > > > Eastern Daylight Time, Chris Covington > > > writes: > > > > > > << But didn't the 87.5 Coupe GT have more power > than > > > any other 4KQ EVER > > > (130hp?)? And I'm sure with more power and less > > > weight, it was faster. > > > I'm not so sure that the 4KQ was 'supposed' to > be > > > just as fast as the > > > Coupe GT. > > > > > > Chris > > > '91 2cq > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Fundsalo Racing wrote: > > > > > > > I think one reason it is so difficult to > improve > > > on is > > > > that Audi required the 4KQ to be just as fast > or > > > > faster Vs the Coupe GT of the same vintage for > > > > marketing reasons. They designed a special > 2-piece > > > > cast/tubular heaser system and a very good > exhaust > > > > system to get 5+ HP more from the otherwise > > > identical > > > > engine in the Coupe GT to overcome the > additional > > > > weight of the AWD and keep the 4KQ as fast or > > > faster > > > > Vs the Coupe GT of the day. They put a lot of > > > extra > > > > development work and expense into the 4KQ > exaust > > > for > > > > this reason. > > > > > > > > -glen > > > > > > > > OOOO > > > > > > > > --- Linus Toy wrote: > > > > > At 04:45 AM 4/11/2001 -0700, Fundsalo Racing > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >Do you have information to the effect that > the > > > 4KQ > > > > > 85 > > > > > > > 87 systems is any better Vs the 4KQ 84 > > > system? I > > > > > had > > > > > >thought they were identical, cast 5-into-3 > EM > > > bolts > > > > > to > > > > > >head and tubular 3-into-1 bolts to EM. It > is a > > > very > > > > > >nice factory system, takes advantage of the > > > > > >5-into-3-into-1 design and is quiet and > > > > > long-lasting > > > > > >due to the cast EM at the head Vs 100% > tubular. > > > > > >Thoughts? > > > > > > > > > > > >Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > >-glen > > > > > > > > > > Sorry, no. you might check the family album > to > > > see > > > > > if the p/n are the same > > > > > or different. > > > > > Related thought: I once spoke with a tech > at > > > Borla, > > > > > inquiring about > > > > > systems for the 4kcsq. This was back in the > > > late > > > > > 80s when they were still > > > > > new, but few exhaust systems needed > replacement > > > > > then, so very limited > > > > > market. At any rate, his comment was that > they > > > were > > > > > having (then) a tough > > > > > time improving on the factory system. > > > Interesting. > > > > > > > > > > --Linus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *--------------------------------------------------------------------* > > > > > * Linus Toy Insanity > is > > > doing > > > > > the same thing * > > > > > * Mercer Island, WA you've > always > > > done > > > > > and expecting * > > > > > * linust@mindspring.com different > > > results > > > > > * > > > > > * - > Roger > > > > > Milliken * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *--------------------------------------------------------------------* > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > > > > > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > 200q20v mailing list > > > > 200q20v@audifans.com > > > > > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > 200q20v mailing list > > > 200q20v@audifans.com > > > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > > 200q20v mailing list > > 200q20v@audifans.com > > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v > > > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From wolff at turboquattro.com Thu Apr 12 09:15:29 2001 From: wolff at turboquattro.com (Wolff) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:53 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Wheel repair References: <20010412142932.33381.qmail@web10103.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <009d01c0c363$693da480$6401a8c0@pacbell.net> I had 3 R-8's done at Wheel Techniques in Campbell CA for around $200. One was severely flattened. They even turned the lip on the 4 th wheel for free. Wolff "Nobody can forget the sound." - Michele Mouton ----- Original Message ----- From: CL Wong To: Quattro List ; 200TQ20V List <200q20v@audifans.com> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 7:29 AM Subject: Re: [200q20v] Wheel repair > I have a Ronal R28 that needs a minor dent repaired > but paying $120-150 to repair a wheel that cost $195 > doesn't seem like a great deal. > > From brett at brettd.dsl.speakeasy.net Thu Apr 12 12:24:55 2001 From: brett at brettd.dsl.speakeasy.net (Brett Dikeman) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:53 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Wheel repair In-Reply-To: <20010412150918.49791.qmail@web13603.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The tricky part with, say, 200q20v wheels is that the rim is machined and the clearcoated. You can't just polish it; it'll destroy the characteristics of the lip and the wheel will look horrible(not to mention, corrode immediately unless re-clearcoated.) I've been told by one wheel repair shop in MA that the wheels would take longer and cost more to refinish specifically because of the machined lip. "If you run your nail in+out of the lip, do you feel ridges?" "Yep" "that's a machined finish and the machine that does that specific kind of surface is very rare"(suspected translation: it's not rare, but we don't do many machined rims, so we have to send it out." :-) The ridges are basically what makes the rim look reflective, but not racer-boy-chrome-like :-) Brett On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Fundsalo Racing wrote: > > They did good werk for me but others have had diffent > luck with them.... > > -glen > > OOOO > > > --- Paul R Luevano wrote: > > Another option for wheel repair is "Rim Pro" in > > Woburn, MA. 781-932-3132. No > > personal experience, but a co-worker had his wheels > > (Dorf SVT) refinished there > > when monkey lads scuffed up his wheels with an > > impact gun. He said he was > > skeptical, but when they were done they looked > > better than new. > > > > I plan of having them refinish the wheels on the 200 > > 20V this summer. > > > > Just FYI. > > > > -- > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > > Paul Luevano | AMA #418487 |'99 CBR > > 600F4 (Racebike) > > http://teamdaemon.com | USM * CCS #898|'97 CBR > > 1100XX (Streetbike) > > Waltham, MA USA | NMA #116657 |'91 > > 200TQ20V (Winter) > > ________"Man's purpose is to live, not to > > exist."-Jack London_______ > > _______________________________________________ > > 200q20v mailing list > > 200q20v@audifans.com > > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > 200q20v mailing list > 200q20v@audifans.com > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v > From dpulvino at agraus.com Thu Apr 12 09:25:59 2001 From: dpulvino at agraus.com (Derek Pulvino) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:53 2003 Subject: [200q20v] source for header for NA I5? (tangent) Message-ID: Chris, What did they do to the 95.5 S6 that was different than the 95 and previous models of the line? I guess what I'm asking is what would require receritfication as a new model with that vehicle come 95 etc. Related to the rebadging? Weren't the underpinings and drivetrain unchanged? Derek P Message: 9 From: C1J1Miller@aol.com Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 09:46:18 EDT Subject: Re: [200q20v] source for header for NA I5? To: , Cc: , <200q20v@audifans.com> Nah, I think it was that Audi was discontinuing the 4kq platform (sedan), while the coupe continued for a bit. Way I look at it is similar to the 95.5 S6; it really was the next model year, but who wants to spend all that money certifying it for USA sale, when you don't plan on selling many of them? From C1J1Miller at aol.com Thu Apr 12 12:26:56 2001 From: C1J1Miller at aol.com (C1J1Miller@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:53 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Wheel repair Message-ID: <6a.d0889c1.28072340@aol.com> Nah, I think the rim lips are machined then _anodized_; that's what makes them a bit more difficult to refinish. Machining is easy, and any good wheel repair shop can do that. They could also just machine polish for the same effect. Chris In a message dated Thu, 12 Apr 2001 11:24:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Brett Dikeman writes: << The tricky part with, say, 200q20v wheels is that the rim is machined and the clearcoated. You can't just polish it; it'll destroy the characteristics of the lip and the wheel will look horrible(not to mention, corrode immediately unless re-clearcoated.) I've been told by one wheel repair shop in MA that the wheels would take longer and cost more to refinish specifically because of the machined lip. "If you run your nail in+out of the lip, do you feel ridges?" "Yep" "that's a machined finish and the machine that does that specific kind of surface is very rare"(suspected translation: it's not rare, but we don't do many machined rims, so we have to send it out." :-) The ridges are basically what makes the rim look reflective, but not racer-boy-chrome-like :-) Brett On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Fundsalo Racing wrote: > > They did good werk for me but others have had diffent > luck with them.... > > -glen > > OOOO > > > --- Paul R Luevano wrote: > > Another option for wheel repair is "Rim Pro" in > > Woburn, MA. 781-932-3132. No > > personal experience, but a co-worker had his wheels > > (Dorf SVT) refinished there > > when monkey lads scuffed up his wheels with an > > impact gun. He said he was > > skeptical, but when they were done they looked > > better than new. > > > > I plan of having them refinish the wheels on the 200 > > 20V this summer. > > > > Just FYI. > > > > -- > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > > Paul Luevano | AMA #418487 |'99 CBR > > 600F4 (Racebike) > > http://teamdaemon.com | USM * CCS #898|'97 CBR > > 1100XX (Streetbike) > > Waltham, MA USA | NMA #116657 |'91 > > 200TQ20V (Winter) > > ________"Man's purpose is to live, not to > > exist."-Jack London_______ > > _______________________________________________ > > 200q20v mailing list > > 200q20v@audifans.com > > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > 200q20v mailing list > 200q20v@audifans.com > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v > _______________________________________________ 200q20v mailing list 200q20v@audifans.com http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v >> From dpulvino at agraus.com Thu Apr 12 09:27:51 2001 From: dpulvino at agraus.com (Derek Pulvino) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:53 2003 Subject: [200q20v] (no subject) Message-ID: Thought I got this off to the list yesterday. Looks like I missed a step. Derek P From: "Chaplen, John " To: Derek Pulvino Subject: RE: [200q20v] Hello Body Shop (This time for real) Attachments: Mime.822 (Save As: Binary, Size=4400 bytes) Message: Good Luck, I hate dealing with claims and Insurance companies. It's just one of those things that I find that cars never drive the same after going into a body shop. Let me know how it goes... JP -----Original Message----- From: Derek Pulvino To: John.Chaplen@us.wmmercer.com Sent: 4/11/01 9:20 PM Subject: RE: [200q20v] Hello Body Shop (This time for real) Hey all, Well took the 200 down to a local shop today; Queen City Rebuild. Turns out they are a factory sponsored/endorsed Audi shop. Not only that, but they work on many a high end Euro car. Saw a couple A8's in there, not too mention various A6's, A4's, S4's, Jags, 911's, a 60's vintage Vette, and even a Testarossa. Estimate came in at 5700 odd dollars. Next week I meet with the insurance companies appraiser to double check the damage and the estimate. Thanks for advice to this point. I'm guessing they'll be a 200 under the knife next week, and a set of rental car keys in my pocket. Derek P <<< "Chaplen, John " 4/10 2:56p >>> if you want a great place in Oregon...hee hee, but there work is Awesome...could be worth it... John Chaplen CNE William M. Mercer, Incorporated Portland, OR, USA phone +1 503 273 5958 fax +1 503 273 5999 mailto:john.chaplen@us.wmmercer.com www.wmmercer.com -----Original Message----- From: Derek Pulvino [mailto:dpulvino@agraus.com] Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 11:39 PM To: 200q20v@audifans.com Subject: [200q20v] Hello Body Shop (This time for real) Hey all, Well, chalk another one up for the miracle works. Paying a little too little attetion today, had to make a panic stop. Pleased to report my brakes performed wonders (peripherally saw the "brake" light come on, abs engaged). Unfortunately, the Chevy C2500 pickup behind me was paying slightly less attention. My car now has a very "non-factory" look. The metal will be easy, but matching pearl white... More to come as I the saga continues. Anybody with suggestions for the premier auto body shop in the Seattle area? Estoy mirando por buen suerte grata Derek Pulvino _______________________________________________ 200q20v mailing list 200q20v@audifans.com http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v From C1J1Miller at aol.com Thu Apr 12 12:29:32 2001 From: C1J1Miller at aol.com (C1J1Miller@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:53 2003 Subject: [200q20v] source for header for NA I5? (tangent) Message-ID: As of '96, all cars for the USA required OBD-II compliance (emissions/engine management). Audi decided not to do that. The 95.5 cars are very similar, but different in several key ways: different keyless entry different traction control (no more lockable rear diff, all done with the ABS system, which is also slightly different). and I think some different bumper trim, etc. The S6 was sold in Canada through '97, I believe. Chris In a message dated Thu, 12 Apr 2001 11:26:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "Derek Pulvino" writes: << Chris, What did they do to the 95.5 S6 that was different than the 95 and previous models of the line? I guess what I'm asking is what would require receritfication as a new model with that vehicle come 95 etc. Related to the rebadging? Weren't the underpinings and drivetrain unchanged? Derek P Message: 9 From: C1J1Miller@aol.com Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 09:46:18 EDT Subject: Re: [200q20v] source for header for NA I5? To: , Cc: , <200q20v@audifans.com> Nah, I think it was that Audi was discontinuing the 4kq platform (sedan), while the coupe continued for a bit. Way I look at it is similar to the 95.5 S6; it really was the next model year, but who wants to spend all that money certifying it for USA sale, when you don't plan on selling many of them? >> From malth at umich.edu Thu Apr 12 13:09:19 2001 From: malth at umich.edu (Chris Covington) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:53 2003 Subject: [200q20v] source for header for NA I5? In-Reply-To: <20010412151414.80015.qmail@web13608.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Right.. and a quicker car, thus the "4KQ has to be faster" theory doesn't hold. Even a regular 87 CGT definitely "feels" faster than an 87 4KQ, though I don't have numbers to back that up. Chris '91 2cq On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Fundsalo Racing wrote: > Very different engines, the 84-87 4KQ Vs the 130HP > 87.5 CGT. > > -glen > > OOOO > > > --- Chris Covington wrote: > > Well, they're both 87 models, so I have a hard time > > believing that > > comparing an 87 4KQ with an 87.5 CGT is not > > applicable. I think Audi just > > knew that the CGT was the sportier and faster car, > > and didn't try to keep > > the 4KQ faster, for some reason. > > > > Chris > > '91 2cq > > > > On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Fundsalo Racing wrote: > > > > > The last (some?) of the Coupe GTs here in the US > > got > > > the 130/136/137HP (depending who you ask) engine > > with > > > higher compression, piston squirters, better > > oil-pan > > > baffling, etc. Not a direct comparison with the > > older > > > Coupe GTs and the 4KQs of US-spec. > > > > > > -glen > > > > > > OOOO > > > > > > --- C1J1Miller@aol.com wrote: > > > > The 87.5 coupe was sold here as the "last" coupe > > in > > > > USA until the '90/91 new body style car; don't > > know > > > > what happened overseas. > > > > > > > > Keep in mind we're usually a year or two late on > > > > what we get; the new body style 4000 (read our > > '88 > > > > on 80/90) was out with the 130 hp engine/ > > CIS-EIII > > > > everywhere else, so it really was Audi not > > upgrading > > > > the last of the 4kq's... > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > In a message dated Thu, 12 Apr 2001 8:40:44 AM > > > > Eastern Daylight Time, Chris Covington > > > > writes: > > > > > > > > << But didn't the 87.5 Coupe GT have more power > > than > > > > any other 4KQ EVER > > > > (130hp?)? And I'm sure with more power and less > > > > weight, it was faster. > > > > I'm not so sure that the 4KQ was 'supposed' to > > be > > > > just as fast as the > > > > Coupe GT. > > > > > > > > Chris > > > > '91 2cq > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Fundsalo Racing wrote: > > > > > > > > > I think one reason it is so difficult to > > improve > > > > on is > > > > > that Audi required the 4KQ to be just as fast > > or > > > > > faster Vs the Coupe GT of the same vintage for > > > > > marketing reasons. They designed a special > > 2-piece > > > > > cast/tubular heaser system and a very good > > exhaust > > > > > system to get 5+ HP more from the otherwise > > > > identical > > > > > engine in the Coupe GT to overcome the > > additional > > > > > weight of the AWD and keep the 4KQ as fast or > > > > faster > > > > > Vs the Coupe GT of the day. They put a lot of > > > > extra > > > > > development work and expense into the 4KQ > > exaust > > > > for > > > > > this reason. > > > > > > > > > > -glen > > > > > > > > > > OOOO > > > > > > > > > > --- Linus Toy wrote: > > > > > > At 04:45 AM 4/11/2001 -0700, Fundsalo Racing > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > >Do you have information to the effect that > > the > > > > 4KQ > > > > > > 85 > > > > > > > > 87 systems is any better Vs the 4KQ 84 > > > > system? I > > > > > > had > > > > > > >thought they were identical, cast 5-into-3 > > EM > > > > bolts > > > > > > to > > > > > > >head and tubular 3-into-1 bolts to EM. It > > is a > > > > very > > > > > > >nice factory system, takes advantage of the > > > > > > >5-into-3-into-1 design and is quiet and > > > > > > long-lasting > > > > > > >due to the cast EM at the head Vs 100% > > tubular. > > > > > > >Thoughts? > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-glen > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry, no. you might check the family album > > to > > > > see > > > > > > if the p/n are the same > > > > > > or different. > > > > > > Related thought: I once spoke with a tech > > at > > > > Borla, > > > > > > inquiring about > > > > > > systems for the 4kcsq. This was back in the > > > > late > > > > > > 80s when they were still > > > > > > new, but few exhaust systems needed > > replacement > > > > > > then, so very limited > > > > > > market. At any rate, his comment was that > > they > > > > were > > > > > > having (then) a tough > > > > > > time improving on the factory system. > > > > Interesting. > > > > > > > > > > > > --Linus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *--------------------------------------------------------------------* > > > > > > * Linus Toy Insanity > > is > > > > doing > > > > > > the same thing * > > > > > > * Mercer Island, WA you've > > always > > > > done > > > > > > and expecting * > > > > > > * linust@mindspring.com different > > > > results > > > > > > * > > > > > > * - > > Roger > > > > > > Milliken * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *--------------------------------------------------------------------* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > > > > > > > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > 200q20v mailing list > > > > > 200q20v@audifans.com > > > > > > > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > 200q20v mailing list > > > > 200q20v@audifans.com > > > > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > > > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > > > 200q20v mailing list > > > 200q20v@audifans.com > > > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > From martinkuetzing at att.net Thu Apr 12 18:27:58 2001 From: martinkuetzing at att.net (martinkuetzing@att.net) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:53 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Wheel repair Message-ID: <20010412172759.KHDV4349.mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> I have two sets of original 15" BBS wheels for my 200q20v & have had both sets refinished. One shop - here in San Diego - did one set. They did a superb job of cleaning up the pitting, and repainting the basket-weave area. Then they clear-coated the "bare" edges of the rim. These rims have been back twice, as the clear-coat always peeled off in a month or two. The last time, I went back, the first shop had sold out to another place, also in San Diego - Hub Cab Annie - some sort of national franchise. I decided to leave the first set alone - ie, let the clear coat peel off & stay off. For the second set, I let - mistakenly - HCA recondition the wheels. They charged extra to have the anodizing removed from the wheel lips & then polished them to a mirror finish. The mirror finish acutally looks sharp, but this second shop didn't know how to spray silver paint - the basket-weave looks real amateurish. Moral - if you want something done well, you need to really research the place & be prepared to pay. My guess is around $150/wheel to have a BBS type done right. Martin clip ... > Nah, I think the rim lips are machined then _anodized_; that's what makes them a > bit more difficult to refinish. > > Machining is easy, and any good wheel repair shop can do that. They could also > just machine polish for the same effect. > Chris > clip ... > > The ridges are basically what makes the rim look reflective, but not > racer-boy-chrome-like :-) > > > Brett > From fundsaloracing at yahoo.com Thu Apr 12 12:18:45 2001 From: fundsaloracing at yahoo.com (Fundsalo Racing) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:53 2003 Subject: [200q20v] source for header for NA I5? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010412181845.12717.qmail@web13608.mail.yahoo.com> Well, the 'has to be faster theory' (or at least as fast as I remeber) is more than a theory. I read this in one of the q books about the introduction of the 4KQ. I will try to dig up the source and report back..... If I remember right the 4KQ's contemporary CGT was 110HP and the 4KQ was 115HP due to the improved exhaust at marketing's request. (sure, I _could_ have just dreamed all this but.....) -glen OOOO --- Chris Covington wrote: > Right.. and a quicker car, thus the "4KQ has to be > faster" theory doesn't > hold. Even a regular 87 CGT definitely "feels" > faster than an 87 4KQ, > though I don't have numbers to back that up. > > Chris > '91 2cq > > > On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Fundsalo Racing wrote: > > > Very different engines, the 84-87 4KQ Vs the 130HP > > 87.5 CGT. > > > > -glen > > > > OOOO > > > > > > --- Chris Covington wrote: > > > Well, they're both 87 models, so I have a hard > time > > > believing that > > > comparing an 87 4KQ with an 87.5 CGT is not > > > applicable. I think Audi just > > > knew that the CGT was the sportier and faster > car, > > > and didn't try to keep > > > the 4KQ faster, for some reason. > > > > > > Chris > > > '91 2cq > > > > > > On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Fundsalo Racing wrote: > > > > > > > The last (some?) of the Coupe GTs here in the > US > > > got > > > > the 130/136/137HP (depending who you ask) > engine > > > with > > > > higher compression, piston squirters, better > > > oil-pan > > > > baffling, etc. Not a direct comparison with > the > > > older > > > > Coupe GTs and the 4KQs of US-spec. > > > > > > > > -glen > > > > > > > > OOOO > > > > > > > > --- C1J1Miller@aol.com wrote: > > > > > The 87.5 coupe was sold here as the "last" > coupe > > > in > > > > > USA until the '90/91 new body style car; > don't > > > know > > > > > what happened overseas. > > > > > > > > > > Keep in mind we're usually a year or two > late on > > > > > what we get; the new body style 4000 (read > our > > > '88 > > > > > on 80/90) was out with the 130 hp engine/ > > > CIS-EIII > > > > > everywhere else, so it really was Audi not > > > upgrading > > > > > the last of the 4kq's... > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated Thu, 12 Apr 2001 8:40:44 > AM > > > > > Eastern Daylight Time, Chris Covington > > > > > writes: > > > > > > > > > > << But didn't the 87.5 Coupe GT have more > power > > > than > > > > > any other 4KQ EVER > > > > > (130hp?)? And I'm sure with more power and > less > > > > > weight, it was faster. > > > > > I'm not so sure that the 4KQ was 'supposed' > to > > > be > > > > > just as fast as the > > > > > Coupe GT. > > > > > > > > > > Chris > > > > > '91 2cq > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Fundsalo Racing wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I think one reason it is so difficult to > > > improve > > > > > on is > > > > > > that Audi required the 4KQ to be just as > fast > > > or > > > > > > faster Vs the Coupe GT of the same vintage > for > > > > > > marketing reasons. They designed a special > > > 2-piece > > > > > > cast/tubular heaser system and a very good > > > exhaust > > > > > > system to get 5+ HP more from the > otherwise > > > > > identical > > > > > > engine in the Coupe GT to overcome the > > > additional > > > > > > weight of the AWD and keep the 4KQ as fast > or > > > > > faster > > > > > > Vs the Coupe GT of the day. They put a lot > of > > > > > extra > > > > > > development work and expense into the 4KQ > > > exaust > > > > > for > > > > > > this reason. > > > > > > > > > > > > -glen > > > > > > > > > > > > OOOO > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Linus Toy > wrote: > > > > > > > At 04:45 AM 4/11/2001 -0700, Fundsalo > Racing > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Do you have information to the effect > that > > > the > > > > > 4KQ > > > > > > > 85 > > > > > > > > > 87 systems is any better Vs the 4KQ > 84 > > > > > system? I > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > >thought they were identical, cast > 5-into-3 > > > EM > > > > > bolts > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > >head and tubular 3-into-1 bolts to EM. > It > > > is a > > > > > very > > > > > > > >nice factory system, takes advantage of > the > > > > > > > >5-into-3-into-1 design and is quiet and > > > > > > > long-lasting > > > > > > > >due to the cast EM at the head Vs 100% > > > tubular. > > > > > > > >Thoughts? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-glen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry, no. you might check the family > album > > > to > > > > > see > > > > > > > if the p/n are the same > > > > > > > or different. > > > > > > > Related thought: I once spoke with a > tech > > > at > > > > > Borla, > > > > > > > inquiring about > > > > > > > systems for the 4kcsq. This was back in > the > > > > > late > > > > > > > 80s when they were still > > > > > > > new, but few exhaust systems needed > > > replacement > > > > > > > then, so very limited > > > > > > > market. At any rate, his comment was > that > > > they > > > > > were > > > > > > > having (then) a tough > > > > > > > time improving on the factory system. > > > > > Interesting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Linus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *--------------------------------------------------------------------* > > > > > > > * Linus Toy > Insanity > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From brett at brettd.dsl.speakeasy.net Thu Apr 12 15:28:55 2001 From: brett at brettd.dsl.speakeasy.net (Brett Dikeman) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:53 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Wheel repair In-Reply-To: <20010412172759.KHDV4349.mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 12 Apr 2001 martinkuetzing@att.net wrote: > Moral - if you want something done well, you need to > really research the place & be prepared to pay. My > guess is around $150/wheel to have a BBS type done right. Which is worth it, considering how much these suckers cost new. If you can find them :-) It's not the dealer's fault. Hint: check out the price of -any- BBS wheel on Tirerack :-) B From dale at themccormacks.org Thu Apr 12 14:56:39 2001 From: dale at themccormacks.org (Dale McCormack) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:53 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Drivers Found: Treasury Sec'y Drives Audi Message-ID: <3AD5FA67.EE0D6F8F@themccormacks.org> Audist Alert: Saw a photo accompanying a hard-copy report in the Chicago Sun Times newspaper on Tuesday (4-10, Wm. O'Rourke column, photo not on their website), using an Associated Press photo showing Secy. Paul O' Neil. Many may know he's the former president of Alcoa, and is shown standing with his car in front of the Alcoa headquarters. It's definitely an Audi and looks like an A8. Appropriate, considering the significant aluminum content. Anyway, I thought it was interesting because most of our politicians couldn't identify the purpose of a steering wheel if it was handed to them. Rarely does a "civilian" auto accompany them in photos. Too many chauffeurs (aloofness), not enough drivers (reality), is but one of our problems in Washington. Happy Motoring, Dale McCormack From root at www.audifans.com Thu Apr 12 16:42:23 2001 From: root at www.audifans.com (root@www.audifans.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:53 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Virus Alert Message-ID: <200104121942.PAA09527@www.audifans.com> InterScan has detected a virus TROJ_HYBRIS.B in your mail traffic from on 04/12/2001 15:42:15 with an action delete. From knotnook at traverse.com Thu Apr 12 16:48:19 2001 From: knotnook at traverse.com (Kneale Brownson) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:53 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Drivers Found: Treasury Sec'y Drives Audi In-Reply-To: <3AD5FA67.EE0D6F8F@themccormacks.org> Message-ID: <4.3.1.2.20010412154652.00b64b10@traverse.com> I thought Alcoa teamed up with Audi in developing the aluminum technologies used for a bunch of the cast and stamped parts used in the A-8. At 01:56 PM 04/12/2001 -0500, Dale McCormack wrote: >Audist Alert: >Saw a photo accompanying a hard-copy report in the >Chicago Sun Times newspaper on Tuesday (4-10, Wm. O'Rourke column, photo >not on their website), using an Associated Press photo showing Secy. >Paul O' Neil. Many may know he's the former president of Alcoa, and is >shown standing >with his car in front of the Alcoa headquarters. It's definitely an >Audi and looks like an A8. Appropriate, considering the significant >aluminum content. > >Anyway, I thought it was interesting because most of our >politicians couldn't identify the purpose of a steering wheel if it >was handed to them. Rarely does a "civilian" auto accompany them in >photos. Too many chauffeurs (aloofness), not enough drivers (reality), >is >but one of our problems in Washington. > >Happy Motoring, > >Dale McCormack >_______________________________________________ >200q20v mailing list >200q20v@audifans.com >http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v > From fundsaloracing at yahoo.com Thu Apr 12 13:48:33 2001 From: fundsaloracing at yahoo.com (Fundsalo Racing) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:53 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Drivers Found: Treasury Sec'y Drives Audi In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20010412154652.00b64b10@traverse.com> Message-ID: <20010412194833.20734.qmail@web13602.mail.yahoo.com> Yes, Alcoa and Audi were technology development partners on the A8. -glen OOOO __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From v8q at bellsouth.net Thu Apr 12 18:01:49 2001 From: v8q at bellsouth.net (David Head) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:53 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Wheel repair References: <20010412142932.33381.qmail@web10103.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3AD617BD.7EF4D5C0@bellsouth.net> Ahh, but when you're like me, with a set of Momo Ferraris that a. Originally cost 350.00 ea, and b. Are no longer available, and c. are perfect for the particular car... it makes perfect sense. Remember to add in dismount/mount and balance costs along with shipping if not local and it really starts to add up quickly. I'm waiting until I were out this set of tires before I send this set out for refurb - 3 of 4 are out of round. Things get snaky over 110, so I have the wife drive it... CL Wong wrote: > I have a Ronal R28 that needs a minor dent repaired > but paying $120-150 to repair a wheel that cost $195 > doesn't seem like a great deal. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From cliffhunt at yahoo.com Thu Apr 12 15:16:23 2001 From: cliffhunt at yahoo.com (Cliff Hunt) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:53 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Instrument Cluster? Message-ID: <20010412211623.50122.qmail@web11507.mail.yahoo.com> Can anyone confirm or deny that the instrument clusters from 89-91 are interchangeable? I had attempted the speedo soldering fix listed on Chris' page to no avail. I checked my soldered connections with a multimeter and all the connections seem okay. So I decided to look around for a used cluster, depending on who I call, I get different answers. Some say they are not interchangeable -and that the FWD's are not interchangeable with the Q's?!?! Also, is it possible to take my trip computer and put it in a cluster that did not have a trip computer? (If anyone has one they'd like to sell, please contact me off-list) Thanks! Cliff Hunt Russiavillle BFE, In 90 2ctqw 10v 363k 85 MBz 300dt 192k 88 VW golf 8v 125k __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From ekellock at juno.com Thu Apr 12 19:36:06 2001 From: ekellock at juno.com (Edward J Kellock) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:53 2003 Subject: [200q20v] source for header for NA I5? Message-ID: <20010412.183609.-841171.1.ekellock@juno.com> Did ya ever think that it was their original intention to have the 4kq as fast as the Coupe GT, but later, like 3 years later (in US time) they decided to go ahead and let go of that idea and put out the 87.5 CGT to show off their new engine a little early and move the last few CGT's of the lots in the US? On Thu, 12 Apr 2001 12:09:19 -0400 (EDT) Chris Covington writes: > Right.. and a quicker car, thus the "4KQ has to be faster" theory > doesn't > hold. Even a regular 87 CGT definitely "feels" faster than an 87 > 4KQ, > though I don't have numbers to back that up. > > Chris > '91 2cq > > > On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Fundsalo Racing wrote: > > > Very different engines, the 84-87 4KQ Vs the 130HP > > 87.5 CGT. > > > > -glen > > > > OOOO > > > > > > --- Chris Covington wrote: > > > Well, they're both 87 models, so I have a hard time > > > believing that > > > comparing an 87 4KQ with an 87.5 CGT is not > > > applicable. I think Audi just > > > knew that the CGT was the sportier and faster car, > > > and didn't try to keep > > > the 4KQ faster, for some reason. > > > > > > Chris > > > '91 2cq > > > > > > On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Fundsalo Racing wrote: > > > > > > > The last (some?) of the Coupe GTs here in the US > > > got > > > > the 130/136/137HP (depending who you ask) engine > > > with > > > > higher compression, piston squirters, better > > > oil-pan > > > > baffling, etc. Not a direct comparison with the > > > older > > > > Coupe GTs and the 4KQs of US-spec. > > > > > > > > -glen > > > > > > > > OOOO > > > > > > > > --- C1J1Miller@aol.com wrote: > > > > > The 87.5 coupe was sold here as the "last" coupe > > > in > > > > > USA until the '90/91 new body style car; don't > > > know > > > > > what happened overseas. > > > > > > > > > > Keep in mind we're usually a year or two late on > > > > > what we get; the new body style 4000 (read our > > > '88 > > > > > on 80/90) was out with the 130 hp engine/ > > > CIS-EIII > > > > > everywhere else, so it really was Audi not > > > upgrading > > > > > the last of the 4kq's... > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated Thu, 12 Apr 2001 8:40:44 AM > > > > > Eastern Daylight Time, Chris Covington > > > > > writes: > > > > > > > > > > << But didn't the 87.5 Coupe GT have more power > > > than > > > > > any other 4KQ EVER > > > > > (130hp?)? And I'm sure with more power and less > > > > > weight, it was faster. > > > > > I'm not so sure that the 4KQ was 'supposed' to > > > be > > > > > just as fast as the > > > > > Coupe GT. > > > > > > > > > > Chris > > > > > '91 2cq > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Fundsalo Racing wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I think one reason it is so difficult to > > > improve > > > > > on is > > > > > > that Audi required the 4KQ to be just as fast > > > or > > > > > > faster Vs the Coupe GT of the same vintage for > > > > > > marketing reasons. They designed a special > > > 2-piece > > > > > > cast/tubular heaser system and a very good > > > exhaust > > > > > > system to get 5+ HP more from the otherwise > > > > > identical > > > > > > engine in the Coupe GT to overcome the > > > additional > > > > > > weight of the AWD and keep the 4KQ as fast or > > > > > faster > > > > > > Vs the Coupe GT of the day. They put a lot of > > > > > extra > > > > > > development work and expense into the 4KQ > > > exaust > > > > > for > > > > > > this reason. > > > > > > > > > > > > -glen > > > > > > > > > > > > OOOO > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Linus Toy wrote: > > > > > > > At 04:45 AM 4/11/2001 -0700, Fundsalo Racing > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Do you have information to the effect that > > > the > > > > > 4KQ > > > > > > > 85 > > > > > > > > > 87 systems is any better Vs the 4KQ 84 > > > > > system? I > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > >thought they were identical, cast 5-into-3 > > > EM > > > > > bolts > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > >head and tubular 3-into-1 bolts to EM. It > > > is a > > > > > very > > > > > > > >nice factory system, takes advantage of the > > > > > > > >5-into-3-into-1 design and is quiet and > > > > > > > long-lasting > > > > > > > >due to the cast EM at the head Vs 100% > > > tubular. > > > > > > > >Thoughts? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-glen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry, no. you might check the family album > > > to > > > > > see > > > > > > > if the p/n are the same > > > > > > > or different. > > > > > > > Related thought: I once spoke with a tech > > > at > > > > > Borla, > > > > > > > inquiring about > > > > > > > systems for the 4kcsq. This was back in the > > > > > late > > > > > > > 80s when they were still > > > > > > > new, but few exhaust systems needed > > > replacement > > > > > > > then, so very limited > > > > > > > market. At any rate, his comment was that > > > they > > > > > were > > > > > > > having (then) a tough > > > > > > > time improving on the factory system. > > > > > Interesting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Linus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *--------------------------------------------------------------------* > > > > > > > * Linus Toy Insanity > > > is > > > > > doing > > > > > > > the same thing * > > > > > > > * Mercer Island, WA you've > > > always > > > > > done > > > > > > > and expecting * > > > > > > > * linust@mindspring.com different > > > > > results > > > > > > > * > > > > > > > * - > > > Roger > > > > > > > Milliken * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *--------------------------------------------------------------------* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > > > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! 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From fundsaloracing at yahoo.com Fri Apr 13 05:51:47 2001 From: fundsaloracing at yahoo.com (Fundsalo Racing) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:53 2003 Subject: [200q20v] 4KQ Vs coupe exhaust diffs In-Reply-To: <20010412.183609.-841171.1.ekellock@juno.com> Message-ID: <20010413115147.20277.qmail@web13605.mail.yahoo.com> Yes, exactly. I checked my two prime sources for period information (Jeremy Walton's quattro book and Brooklands on quattros). The only relevant reference I found with a quick squint was that the Euro coupe made 130 and the Euro 80Q made 136 and the difference was due to the 5-onto-3-into-1 Vs the 5-into-2-into-1 and that there was no weight penalty for the upgrade. Also, torque was higher and at a lower RPM with the 5-into-3-into-1 piece. (US-spec coupe was 110HP and 4KQ 115HP, not from those references, from memory) -glen OOOO --- Edward J Kellock wrote: > Did ya ever think that it was their original > intention to have the > 4kq as fast as the Coupe GT, but later, like 3 years > later (in US time) > they decided to go ahead and let go of that idea and > put out the > 87.5 CGT to show off their new engine a little early > and move the > last few CGT's of the lots in the US? > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From fundsaloracing at yahoo.com Fri Apr 13 06:24:53 2001 From: fundsaloracing at yahoo.com (Fundsalo Racing) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:53 2003 Subject: [200q20v] source for header for NA I5? In-Reply-To: <33.13772498.2806fd60@aol.com> Message-ID: <20010413122453.18980.qmail@web13606.mail.yahoo.com> In Europe the 80Q (4KQ) with the 2144cc I5 started out with 136HP, the 80 coupe with the 2144cc I5 was at 130HP at the time. (EM difference) We not only got stuff late in the US - we *never* got the really good stuff! -glen OOOO --- C1J1Miller@aol.com wrote: > The 87.5 coupe was sold here as the "last" coupe in > USA until the '90/91 new body style car; don't know > what happened overseas. > > Keep in mind we're usually a year or two late on > what we get; the new body style 4000 (read our '88 > on 80/90) was out with the 130 hp engine/ CIS-EIII > everywhere else, so it really was Audi not upgrading > the last of the 4kq's... > Chris > > In a message dated Thu, 12 Apr 2001 8:40:44 AM > Eastern Daylight Time, Chris Covington > writes: > > << But didn't the 87.5 Coupe GT have more power than > any other 4KQ EVER > (130hp?)? And I'm sure with more power and less > weight, it was faster. > I'm not so sure that the 4KQ was 'supposed' to be > just as fast as the > Coupe GT. > > Chris > '91 2cq > > > On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Fundsalo Racing wrote: > > > I think one reason it is so difficult to improve > on is > > that Audi required the 4KQ to be just as fast or > > faster Vs the Coupe GT of the same vintage for > > marketing reasons. They designed a special 2-piece > > cast/tubular heaser system and a very good exhaust > > system to get 5+ HP more from the otherwise > identical > > engine in the Coupe GT to overcome the additional > > weight of the AWD and keep the 4KQ as fast or > faster > > Vs the Coupe GT of the day. They put a lot of > extra > > development work and expense into the 4KQ exaust > for > > this reason. > > > > -glen > > > > OOOO > > > > --- Linus Toy wrote: > > > At 04:45 AM 4/11/2001 -0700, Fundsalo Racing > wrote: > > > > > > >Do you have information to the effect that the > 4KQ > > > 85 > > > > > 87 systems is any better Vs the 4KQ 84 > system? I > > > had > > > >thought they were identical, cast 5-into-3 EM > bolts > > > to > > > >head and tubular 3-into-1 bolts to EM. It is a > very > > > >nice factory system, takes advantage of the > > > >5-into-3-into-1 design and is quiet and > > > long-lasting > > > >due to the cast EM at the head Vs 100% tubular. > > > >Thoughts? > > > > > > > >Thanks! > > > > > > > >-glen > > > > > > Sorry, no. you might check the family album to > see > > > if the p/n are the same > > > or different. > > > Related thought: I once spoke with a tech at > Borla, > > > inquiring about > > > systems for the 4kcsq. This was back in the > late > > > 80s when they were still > > > new, but few exhaust systems needed replacement > > > then, so very limited > > > market. At any rate, his comment was that they > were > > > having (then) a tough > > > time improving on the factory system. > Interesting. > > > > > > --Linus > > > > > > *--------------------------------------------------------------------* > > > * Linus Toy Insanity is > doing > > > the same thing * > > > * Mercer Island, WA you've always > done > > > and expecting * > > > * linust@mindspring.com different > results > > > * > > > * - Roger > > > Milliken * > > > > > > *--------------------------------------------------------------------* > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > > 200q20v mailing list > > 200q20v@audifans.com > > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v > > > > _______________________________________________ > 200q20v mailing list > 200q20v@audifans.com > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > 200q20v mailing list > 200q20v@audifans.com > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dak-ignore at rochester.rr.com Fri Apr 13 10:23:23 2001 From: dak-ignore at rochester.rr.com (DAK) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:53 2003 Subject: [200q20v] 4KQ Vs coupe exhaust diffs References: <20010413115147.20277.qmail@web13605.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3AD6FDCB.20109@rochester.rr.com> Guys, I'm pretty sure that he old VW Quantum Syncro had the 5-3-1 deal. I talked my dad into one of these in the early 90's and he had it for a couple of years (from 150K to almost 200K miles). I assumed this was the Audi 4000 Q gear. David Fundsalo Racing wrote: > Yes, exactly. I checked my two prime sources for > period information (Jeremy Walton's quattro book and > Brooklands on quattros). The only relevant reference I > found with a quick squint was that the Euro coupe made > 130 and the Euro 80Q made 136 and the difference was > due to the 5-onto-3-into-1 Vs the 5-into-2-into-1 and > that there was no weight penalty for the upgrade. > Also, torque was higher and at a lower RPM with the > 5-into-3-into-1 piece. (US-spec coupe was 110HP and > 4KQ 115HP, not from those references, from memory) > > -glen > > OOOO > > > --- Edward J Kellock wrote: > >> Did ya ever think that it was their original >> intention to have the >> 4kq as fast as the Coupe GT, but later, like 3 years >> later (in US time) >> they decided to go ahead and let go of that idea and >> put out the >> 87.5 CGT to show off their new engine a little early >> and move the >> last few CGT's of the lots in the US? >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > 200q20v mailing list > 200q20v@audifans.com > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.audifans.com/pipermail/200q20v/attachments/20010413/7d4816a5/attachment.htm From fundsaloracing at yahoo.com Fri Apr 13 07:26:46 2001 From: fundsaloracing at yahoo.com (Fundsalo Racing) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:53 2003 Subject: [200q20v] 4KQ Vs coupe exhaust diffs In-Reply-To: <3AD6FDCB.20109@rochester.rr.com> Message-ID: <20010413132646.11851.qmail@web13604.mail.yahoo.com> I believe you are correct. VWQS had 4KQ driveline. Very similar cars mechanically. Almost a 4KQ wagon! -glen OOOO --- DAK wrote: > Guys, > I'm pretty sure that he old VW Quantum Syncro had > the 5-3-1 deal. I > talked my dad into one of these in the early 90's > and he had it for a > couple of years (from 150K to almost 200K miles). I > assumed this was the > Audi 4000 Q gear. > > David > > Fundsalo Racing wrote: > > > Yes, exactly. I checked my two prime sources for > > period information (Jeremy Walton's quattro book > and > > Brooklands on quattros). The only relevant > reference I > > found with a quick squint was that the Euro coupe > made > > 130 and the Euro 80Q made 136 and the difference > was > > due to the 5-onto-3-into-1 Vs the 5-into-2-into-1 > and > > that there was no weight penalty for the upgrade. > > Also, torque was higher and at a lower RPM with > the > > 5-into-3-into-1 piece. (US-spec coupe was 110HP > and > > 4KQ 115HP, not from those references, from memory) > > > > -glen > > > > OOOO > > > > > > --- Edward J Kellock wrote: > > > >> Did ya ever think that it was their original > >> intention to have the > >> 4kq as fast as the Coupe GT, but later, like 3 > years > >> later (in US time) > >> they decided to go ahead and let go of that idea > and > >> put out the > >> 87.5 CGT to show off their new engine a little > early > >> and move the > >> last few CGT's of the lots in the US? > >> > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > > 200q20v mailing list > > 200q20v@audifans.com > > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From C1J1Miller at aol.com Fri Apr 13 10:30:25 2001 From: C1J1Miller at aol.com (C1J1Miller@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:53 2003 Subject: [200q20v] 4KQ Vs coupe exhaust diffs Message-ID: Different rear suspension, though. Chris In a message dated Fri, 13 Apr 2001 9:29:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Fundsalo Racing writes: << I believe you are correct. VWQS had 4KQ driveline. Very similar cars mechanically. Almost a 4KQ wagon! -glen OOOO --- DAK wrote: > Guys, > I'm pretty sure that he old VW Quantum Syncro had > the 5-3-1 deal. I > talked my dad into one of these in the early 90's > and he had it for a > couple of years (from 150K to almost 200K miles). I > assumed this was the > Audi 4000 Q gear. > > David > > Fundsalo Racing wrote: > > > Yes, exactly. I checked my two prime sources for > > period information (Jeremy Walton's quattro book > and > > Brooklands on quattros). The only relevant > reference I > > found with a quick squint was that the Euro coupe > made > > 130 and the Euro 80Q made 136 and the difference > was > > due to the 5-onto-3-into-1 Vs the 5-into-2-into-1 > and > > that there was no weight penalty for the upgrade. > > Also, torque was higher and at a lower RPM with > the > > 5-into-3-into-1 piece. (US-spec coupe was 110HP > and > > 4KQ 115HP, not from those references, from memory) > > > > -glen > > > > OOOO > > > > > > --- Edward J Kellock wrote: > > > >> Did ya ever think that it was their original > >> intention to have the > >> 4kq as fast as the Coupe GT, but later, like 3 > years > >> later (in US time) > >> they decided to go ahead and let go of that idea > and > >> put out the > >> 87.5 CGT to show off their new engine a little > early > >> and move the > >> last few CGT's of the lots in the US? > >> > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > > 200q20v mailing list > > 200q20v@audifans.com > > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ 200q20v mailing list 200q20v@audifans.com http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v >> From charlie at istari.com Fri Apr 13 10:52:51 2001 From: charlie at istari.com (Charles Baer) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:53 2003 Subject: [200q20v] 4KQ Vs coupe exhaust diffs References: <20010413132646.11851.qmail@web13604.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3AD720D3.ACC4A34F@istari.com> I have vivid recollections of going outside to look at a coworkers new synchro wagaon and except for the cardboard cover in front of the radiator and the brake cylinder, I would have thought I was looking at my 4KQ. Charlie Fundsalo Racing wrote: > > I believe you are correct. VWQS had 4KQ driveline. > Very similar cars mechanically. Almost a 4KQ wagon! > > -glen > > OOOO > > --- DAK wrote: > > Guys, > > I'm pretty sure that he old VW Quantum Syncro had > > the 5-3-1 deal. I > > talked my dad into one of these in the early 90's > > and he had it for a > > couple of years (from 150K to almost 200K miles). I > > assumed this was the > > Audi 4000 Q gear. > > > > David > > > > Fundsalo Racing wrote: > > > > > Yes, exactly. I checked my two prime sources for > > > period information (Jeremy Walton's quattro book > > and > > > Brooklands on quattros). The only relevant > > reference I > > > found with a quick squint was that the Euro coupe > > made > > > 130 and the Euro 80Q made 136 and the difference > > was > > > due to the 5-onto-3-into-1 Vs the 5-into-2-into-1 > > and > > > that there was no weight penalty for the upgrade. > > > Also, torque was higher and at a lower RPM with > > the > > > 5-into-3-into-1 piece. (US-spec coupe was 110HP > > and > > > 4KQ 115HP, not from those references, from memory) > > > > > > -glen > > > > > > OOOO > > > > > > > > > --- Edward J Kellock wrote: > > > > > >> Did ya ever think that it was their original > > >> intention to have the > > >> 4kq as fast as the Coupe GT, but later, like 3 > > years > > >> later (in US time) > > >> they decided to go ahead and let go of that idea > > and > > >> put out the > > >> 87.5 CGT to show off their new engine a little > > early > > >> and move the > > >> last few CGT's of the lots in the US? > > >> > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > > > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > > > 200q20v mailing list > > > 200q20v@audifans.com > > > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > 200q20v mailing list > 200q20v@audifans.com > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v -- Anyone who cannot cope with Mathematics is not fully human. At best (he) is a tolerable sub-human who has learned to wear shoes, bathe, and not make messes in the house. - Lazarus Long From gregsj at iea.com Fri Apr 13 10:04:28 2001 From: gregsj at iea.com (Greg Johnson) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:53 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Re: 200q20v digest, Vol 1 #346 - 6 msgs References: <200104131600.MAA06640@www.audifans.com> Message-ID: <3AD7238C.C1274AD0@iea.com> Is this the 200 List, or the 4K List? 200q20v-request@audifans.com wrote: > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: 4KQ Vs coupe exhaust diffs (Fundsalo Racing) > 2. Re: source for header for NA I5? (Fundsalo Racing) > 3. Re: 4KQ Vs coupe exhaust diffs (DAK) > 4. Re: 4KQ Vs coupe exhaust diffs (Fundsalo Racing) > 5. Re: 4KQ Vs coupe exhaust diffs (C1J1Miller@aol.com) > 6. Re: 4KQ Vs coupe exhaust diffs (Charles Baer) Greg J From charlie at istari.com Fri Apr 13 11:10:29 2001 From: charlie at istari.com (Charles Baer) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:53 2003 Subject: [200q20v] information source for weights of wheels Message-ID: <3AD724F5.6DB7BA56@istari.com> I'm trying to decide on some new wheels and it's really not turning out to be as fun as it should be. It's possible that my target is unrealistic, the only reference I have is a 16x8 Fuchs that I almost threw across the room the first time I picked it up. I think a forged under 20 pound target is fair, without going over $500 per wheel. Short of compiling a list of possibilities and then spending hours on the phone trying to find the weights, is anyone aware of a place or places that have a vaguely comprehensive list of alloy poundage ? I think three of the dozens of makers I've been to actually showed the weight of the wheels that interest me. Hard to imagine that more of them don't provide even a rough indication when they are hawking 'lightweight' wheels, except of course for the ones that make boat anchors. I've used the wheel page that Chris has, ( and should give him some updated links ), and spent hours cruising web sites. Charlie -- Anyone who cannot cope with Mathematics is not fully human. At best (he) is a tolerable sub-human who has learned to wear shoes, bathe, and not make messes in the house. - Lazarus Long From copley at snet.net Fri Apr 13 13:20:35 2001 From: copley at snet.net (copley one) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:53 2003 Subject: [200q20v] information source for weights of wheels References: <3AD724F5.6DB7BA56@istari.com> Message-ID: <3AD72753.DBEA7A3E@snet.net> i noticed at the newsstand that one of the boy racer magazines (Sports Car something???) had a big wheel comparo this month. pk From charlie at istari.com Fri Apr 13 11:33:29 2001 From: charlie at istari.com (Charles Baer) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:53 2003 Subject: [200q20v] information source for weights of wheels References: <3AD724F5.6DB7BA56@istari.com> <3AD72753.DBEA7A3E@snet.net> Message-ID: <3AD72A59.1AF5ACBB@istari.com> I always mess up the title in my head but I think the correct name is "Sports Compact Car". It wasn't on the stands around here last week, but the shop I use for most wheel and tire work had a copy. I think the "display until" date on the previous issue has now arrived and the one with the wheel review should be on the shelf. It had around 160? wheels in it, with weights for some sizes. That might sound like a lot, but most of what was in there made me want to puke. Also, out of the wheels they showed, I'm only interested in a small subset. The end result was a very limited amount of data that pertained to my quest. Charlie copley one wrote: > > i noticed at the newsstand that one of the boy racer magazines (Sports > Car something???) had a big wheel comparo this month. > pk -- Anyone who cannot cope with Mathematics is not fully human. At best (he) is a tolerable sub-human who has learned to wear shoes, bathe, and not make messes in the house. - Lazarus Long From ekellock at juno.com Fri Apr 13 11:47:33 2001 From: ekellock at juno.com (Edward J Kellock) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:53 2003 Subject: [200q20v] 4KQ Vs coupe exhaust diffs Message-ID: <20010413.104740.-634685.4.ekellock@juno.com> I recall very well when I mounted a 4-2-1, long runner exhaust manifold on my GTI, the thing had lots more torque. Very cool. Ed Colorado Springs On Fri, 13 Apr 2001 04:51:47 -0700 (PDT) Fundsalo Racing writes: > > Yes, exactly. I checked my two prime sources for > period information (Jeremy Walton's quattro book and > Brooklands on quattros). The only relevant reference I > found with a quick squint was that the Euro coupe made > 130 and the Euro 80Q made 136 and the difference was > due to the 5-onto-3-into-1 Vs the 5-into-2-into-1 and > that there was no weight penalty for the upgrade. > Also, torque was higher and at a lower RPM with the > 5-into-3-into-1 piece. (US-spec coupe was 110HP and > 4KQ 115HP, not from those references, from memory) > > -glen > > OOOO > > > --- Edward J Kellock wrote: > > Did ya ever think that it was their original > > intention to have the > > 4kq as fast as the Coupe GT, but later, like 3 years > > later (in US time) > > they decided to go ahead and let go of that idea and > > put out the > > 87.5 CGT to show off their new engine a little early > > and move the > > last few CGT's of the lots in the US? > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From sidman at montereynet.net Fri Apr 13 11:02:30 2001 From: sidman at montereynet.net (George Sidman) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:53 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Re: 200q20v digest, Not history of prior models? References: <200104131600.MAA06636@www.audifans.com> Message-ID: <3AD73126.824C8A9E@montereynet.net> Am I missing something here, or is this list for 200q20v cars, or a more historical review of prior models? It seems we have gotten a bit off subject......... -- George Sidman, President Nousoft, Inc. - Monterey Network Center www.nousoft.com - www.montereynet.net sidman@montereynet.net 9701 Blue Larkspur Lane Monterey, CA 93940 831 657-1510 From C1J1Miller at aol.com Fri Apr 13 14:31:35 2001 From: C1J1Miller at aol.com (C1J1Miller@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:53 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Re: 200q20v digest, Vol 1 #346 - 6 msgs Message-ID: In a message dated Fri, 13 Apr 2001 12:09:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Greg Johnson writes: << Is this the 200 List, or the 4K List? >> I was thinking the same... but most of us (many of us?) came to the 200q from that platform... The darn 200's are too reliable, right? No problems, no emails. Chris From brett at brettd.dsl.speakeasy.net Fri Apr 13 14:35:34 2001 From: brett at brettd.dsl.speakeasy.net (Brett Dikeman) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:53 2003 Subject: [200q20v] 4k header discussion In-Reply-To: <3AD73126.824C8A9E@montereynet.net> Message-ID: George does have a point here, this really isn't related to the 200q20v list's "charter." Really much more of a main-qlist type discussion. If you folks could please take the 4k header thread private, or to the main qlist, that'd be appreciated. Thanks guys! Brett On Fri, 13 Apr 2001, George Sidman wrote: > Am I missing something here, or is this list for 200q20v > cars, or a more historical review of prior models? It seems > we have gotten a bit off subject......... > From C1J1Miller at aol.com Fri Apr 13 14:35:16 2001 From: C1J1Miller at aol.com (C1J1Miller@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:53 2003 Subject: [200q20v] information source for weights of wheels Message-ID: <61.d2f7876.280892d6@aol.com> I'd started a "rims" page to complement the "wheels" page; http://members.aol.com/c1j1miller/rims.html has a bunch of good info/links. If the tire rack sells the rims, they're usually pretty good at estimating the wieghts; Ronal also the same. it lists the following weights: Weights for various rims Weights are from various internet sources, and may or may not be accurate. A!Advantgarde S 32.2 lb A!Advantgarde SL 28 lb Borbet Type C (17x7.5) 24 lb Borbet Type E (17x8) 23.6 lb Borbet Type T weight 17" is 22.5 lb Oettinger RE ~22-24 lb Projectzwo (17x8.5) ~22-24 lb Ronal R-25 23.4 lb Ronal R-28 (17x8.5) 28.2 lb Ronal LV (17x8) 21.4 lb Ronal SL (17x7.5) 21 lb Ronal R1001 22.5 lb SSR INTEGRAL 17X8 5-112 ET38 17.5 LB Technomagnesio Sport 28 lb Kinesis K5 8x17 18lbs 9.5x17 19lbs ----------- WEIGHTS OF RECENT OEM wheels and some Ronal styles/sizes. OEM 16"x7" Alloy's 5 spoke A4 rims: 20 lb. 7 spoke A4 rims: 20 lb. 9oz. Ronal 16"x7.5" Alloys R-26, split 5 spoke---20lb. 4oz. R-28, 7 spoke---24lb. 2oz. LV, split 5 spoke--18lb. 4 oz. Ronal 17" wheel weights. R-28, 17"x8.5" 28 lb. 4 oz. R-25, 17"x8" 23 lb. 7 oz. LV, 17"x8" 21 lb. 6 oz. SL, 17"x7.5" 21 lb.1 oz. R-1001, 17"x8" 22 lb.8 oz. 3pc.design. ------------- Here is a list of weights of various popular wheels that was featured in the Oct 97 issue of Street Power. Definitely something to think about when buying wheels. Width not given, and may be a factor. Wheel: Size(inch) Weight(lbs) ----------------------- --------------- ----------- Moda Sport 17 28 Borbet Type C 17 22 Borbet Type S 17 18 Mille Miglia MII-2 17 26 Rota Group N1R 16 16 Fondmetal 9A 17 23 antera 161 17 28 motoform sekta 17 29 arbet III 17 24 OZ Competition 17 27 smith infinity 17 22 cromodora ego 16 21 cec 139 17 24 motoform talon 17 29 weld evo sl 5 17 19 simmons FR17 17 22 fittipaldi 500mod 17 25 antera 163 18 32 racing sparco NS-II pyt 17 21 TSW VX1 17 23 racing sparco NT 18 25 momo ssf 17 17 BBS RC 17 16 *** [light wheel!!!] myrtle shoot 17 32 *** [heavy wheel!!!] antera 145 17 24 arelli Q 17 25 arelli pulse 17 23 rial viper 15 16 concord racing 15 23 carusi 62 17 27 arbet V 15 20 roh Reflex 17 20 fittipaldi avus 17 26 Marx 17 21 club linea special 18 24 enkei zenkei 17 25 OZ F1 racing 17 25 From motogo1 at home.com Fri Apr 13 17:19:02 2001 From: motogo1 at home.com (Gary Martin) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:53 2003 Subject: [200q20v] 200 20v question..airbox Message-ID: <005501c0c456$fb4357a0$6a01b418@granby1.ct.home.com> Poking around under the hood of my newly aquired 200 TQA today. I think I'll check the air filter (supposedly changed by PO). Let's see, two clips on the front, disconnect hose from MAF, disconnect electrics, pull, tug, what the???? I can't see anything at the back, but it ain't coming out. Before I break something, what's the trick guys? Next project, check the turbo by-pass valve. Failed the test bigtime. Swapped in one from the S4, took it for a ride. That's more like it!! Thats more like I expect a 20V to run. Well, at least I got one thing accomplished. TIA for any tips on the air box. Gary 91 200TQA 94 UrS4 From C1J1Miller at aol.com Fri Apr 13 17:18:17 2001 From: C1J1Miller at aol.com (C1J1Miller@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:53 2003 Subject: [200q20v] 200 20v question..airbox Message-ID: Airbox: along the passenger fender, at the back there is a screw connection about 8" down, hard to see if you don't know where it is. Long straight bladed screwdriver to loosen the captive screw, then you're all set. Oh, isn't there another clip on the rear of the box, near the turbo? Chris In a message dated Fri, 13 Apr 2001 4:13:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Gary Martin" writes: << Poking around under the hood of my newly aquired 200 TQA today. I think I'll check the air filter (supposedly changed by PO). Let's see, two clips on the front, disconnect hose from MAF, disconnect electrics, pull, tug, what the???? I can't see anything at the back, but it ain't coming out. Before I break something, what's the trick guys? Next project, check the turbo by-pass valve. Failed the test bigtime. Swapped in one from the S4, took it for a ride. That's more like it!! Thats more like I expect a 20V to run. Well, at least I got one thing accomplished. TIA for any tips on the air box. Gary 91 200TQA 94 UrS4 _______________________________________________ 200q20v mailing list 200q20v@audifans.com http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v >> From charlie at istari.com Fri Apr 13 16:02:02 2001 From: charlie at istari.com (Charles Baer) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:53 2003 Subject: [200q20v] 200 20v question..airbox References: Message-ID: <3AD7694A.1AE81FAB@istari.com> C1J1Miller@aol.com wrote: > > Airbox: along the passenger fender, at the back there is a screw connection about 8" down, hard to see if you don't know where it is. Long straight bladed screwdriver to loosen the captive screw, then you're all set. Oh, isn't there another clip on the rear of the box, near the turbo? Yep, two clips in front, one in back towards the turbo, and that little screw hidden down in the gap along the fender. > Chris > > In a message dated Fri, 13 Apr 2001 4:13:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Gary Martin" writes: > > << Poking around under the hood of my newly aquired 200 TQA today. I think I'll > check the air filter (supposedly changed by PO). Let's see, two clips on the > front, disconnect hose from MAF, disconnect electrics, pull, tug, what > the???? I can't see anything at the back, but it ain't coming out. Before I > break something, what's the trick guys? > Next project, check the turbo by-pass valve. Failed the test bigtime. > Swapped in one from the S4, took it for a ride. That's more like it!! Thats > more like I expect a 20V to run. Well, at least I got one thing > accomplished. > TIA for any tips on the air box. > Gary > 91 200TQA > 94 UrS4 > > _______________________________________________ > 200q20v mailing list > 200q20v@audifans.com > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v > >> > > _______________________________________________ > 200q20v mailing list > 200q20v@audifans.com > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v -- Anyone who cannot cope with Mathematics is not fully human. At best (he) is a tolerable sub-human who has learned to wear shoes, bathe, and not make messes in the house. - Lazarus Long From Mpl20020vtq at aol.com Fri Apr 13 22:04:39 2001 From: Mpl20020vtq at aol.com (Mpl20020vtq@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:53 2003 Subject: [200q20v] WTB 1992 S4 Message-ID: Just wondering if anyone knows of any 1992 S4's for sale. If I find one I'll be selling my '91 200q20v. Thanks. Michael Lynch '91 200q20v From calvinlc at earthlink.net Sat Apr 14 14:08:15 2001 From: calvinlc at earthlink.net (Calvin & Diana Craig) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:53 2003 Subject: [200q20v] WTB 1992 S4 In-Reply-To: <200104141601.MAA14561@www.audifans.com> Message-ID: Michael, I don't know where you live but there is one for sale here in Denver. 1992 S4, 97k miles and they want $16k for it. The number is 303-494-9254. I just did the same thing, bought a '92 S4, but I haven't sold the '91 yet...that will be coming in the next month or so. I love the S4 thus far! --Calvin From pjrose at frontiernet.net Sat Apr 14 17:55:00 2001 From: pjrose at frontiernet.net (Phil Rose) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:53 2003 Subject: [200q20v] no good deed goes unpunished... Message-ID: Hi all, We're back from Spain, and an enjoyable wine and food tour (gained only 4 lbs). While in Madrid I seemed to spot an Audi S8 every time I turned around. Yet in contrast to our experience last year in Italy, we also spotted many older Audis (late 1980s). Unusually mild weather (for Rochester) greeted us on our return, so I decided to defy the gods by mounting summer tires today. Off came those buzzy, studded Hakka-1s and on went the summer tires. Easy as 1, 2, 3, ... but sadly, not 4. Because as I was rolling the final tire into position at the right rear, I spot an ugly nailhead in the tread. Sure enough, the air pressure was zero. So, I hope that my local shop will be available on Monday to dismount the thing (for an inside patch) and rebalance. Sigh. Phil P.S. Speaking of studded Hakka-1 tires: Late this winter I thought I noticed an usually large number of missing studs. While dismounting the snow tires today, I could verify as many as 50 were studs missing on one tire while two others lacked 30 and 32 studs, respectively. What's up here? Is it common to lose so many studs within a few seasons? Or do Hakka-1 tires have a special tendency for this? These tires have _lots_ of tread depth. Most of the missing studs come from one one side (i.e. inner vs outer) of each tire. I don't think so many studs were missing originally--I _think_ I would have noticed. -- Phil Rose Rochester, NY mailto:pjrose@frontiernet.net From MartinGG at aetna.com Sat Apr 14 19:11:07 2001 From: MartinGG at aetna.com (Martin, Gary G) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:53 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Blinking HVAC light Message-ID: On a couple occasions I've noticed the red light, the one that indicates you've pushed the outside temp display button, blinking at me for no apparent reason. I had not pushed the outside button and everything seems to work OK. I haven't researched the Bentley for a reason yet, but maybe someone out there knows the reason. TIA Gary 91 200TQA 94 UrS4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2113 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.audifans.com/pipermail/200q20v/attachments/20010414/14d90eae/attachment.bin From knotnook at traverse.com Sat Apr 14 19:28:58 2001 From: knotnook at traverse.com (Kneale Brownson) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:53 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Blinking HVAC light In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.3.1.2.20010414182753.00b7abc0@traverse.com> The light will flash to indicate error codes stored. Go to Chris Miller's page: http://members.aol.com/c1j1miller/index.html put in a search for heater and select the error code item in the resulting menu. At 06:11 PM 04/14/2001 -0400, Martin, Gary G wrote: >On a couple occasions I've noticed the red light, the one that indicates >you've pushed the outside temp display button, blinking at me for no >apparent reason. I had not pushed the outside button and everything seems to >work OK. I haven't researched the Bentley for a reason yet, but maybe >someone out there knows the reason. TIA > >Gary >91 200TQA >94 UrS4 > From MartinGG at aetna.com Sat Apr 14 19:27:01 2001 From: MartinGG at aetna.com (Martin, Gary G) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:54 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Blinking HVAC light Message-ID: Thanks, I thought that was what it might be. Should be interesting to see what I get for a code, since everything seems ok. Gary -----Original Message----- From: Kneale Brownson [mailto:knotnook@traverse.com] Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 6:29 PM To: Martin, Gary G; '200q20v' Subject: Re: [200q20v] Blinking HVAC light The light will flash to indicate error codes stored. Go to Chris Miller's page: http://members.aol.com/c1j1miller/index.html put in a search for heater and select the error code item in the resulting menu. At 06:11 PM 04/14/2001 -0400, Martin, Gary G wrote: >On a couple occasions I've noticed the red light, the one that indicates >you've pushed the outside temp display button, blinking at me for no >apparent reason. I had not pushed the outside button and everything seems to >work OK. I haven't researched the Bentley for a reason yet, but maybe >someone out there knows the reason. TIA > >Gary >91 200TQA >94 UrS4 > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Should be interesting to see > what I get for a code, since everything seems ok. > Gary > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kneale Brownson [mailto:knotnook@traverse.com] > Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 6:29 PM > To: Martin, Gary G; '200q20v' > Subject: Re: [200q20v] Blinking HVAC light > > > The light will flash to indicate error codes stored. Go to Chris Miller's > page: http://members.aol.com/c1j1miller/index.html > > put in a search for heater and select the error code item in the resulting > menu. > > > > At 06:11 PM 04/14/2001 -0400, Martin, Gary G wrote: > > >On a couple occasions I've noticed the red light, the one that indicates > >you've pushed the outside temp display button, blinking at me for no > >apparent reason. I had not pushed the outside button and everything seems > to > >work OK. I haven't researched the Bentley for a reason yet, but maybe > >someone out there knows the reason. TIA > > > >Gary > >91 200TQA > >94 UrS4 > > > > From MartinGG at aetna.com Sat Apr 14 21:34:47 2001 From: MartinGG at aetna.com (Martin, Gary G) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:54 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Blinking HVAC light Message-ID: I went out to my car and checked it per web site, and got code 00 (no problem). Maybe I cleared a code by accident, cause according to the info on the Chris's web site, it states to hit 'cooler button' to read the code, but I had to hit the 'ouside temp' button to get a code. Oh well, maybe it will come back. Gary -----Original Message----- From: Mike Miller [mailto:MikeMilr@blackfoot.net] Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 8:22 PM To: Martin, Gary G; '200q20v' Subject: Re: [200q20v] Blinking HVAC light I;ve had a few code 7's and 15's over the years with no long term problems. mike -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2462 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.audifans.com/pipermail/200q20v/attachments/20010414/a2985e4c/attachment.bin From hah at srv.net Sat Apr 14 20:41:44 2001 From: hah at srv.net (Henry A Harper III) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:54 2003 Subject: [200q20v] no good deed goes unpunished... Message-ID: <01C0C51A.F61A1560.hah@srv.net> On Saturday, April 14, 2001 2:55 PM, Phil Rose [SMTP:pjrose@frontiernet.net] wrote: > P.S. Speaking of studded Hakka-1 tires: > Late this winter I thought I noticed an usually large number of > missing studs. While dismounting the snow tires today, I could verify > as many as 50 were studs missing on one tire while two others lacked > 30 and 32 studs, respectively. What's up here? Is it common to lose > so many studs within a few seasons? Or do Hakka-1 tires have a > special tendency for this? These tires have _lots_ of tread depth. > Most of the missing studs come from one one side (i.e. inner vs > outer) of each tire. I don't think so many studs were missing > originally--I _think_ I would have noticed. I have not noticed any studs missing on my two sets of Hak-1s, as I changed over to the summer wheels last weekend. The set for the Audi is now four winters old, still can't really see any treadwear happening. The VW set is two seasons old, and has seen most of the driving miles in winter - also no apparent treadwear. Audi set bought mail-order from Greer, arrived studded; VW set bought locally from Les Schwab tire place, not sure if the studding was local or not. HTH Henry Harper http://www.srv.net/~hah - for now 1991 200 quattro, 112k 1988 GTI 16v, 217k From C1J1Miller at aol.com Sun Apr 15 00:39:40 2001 From: C1J1Miller at aol.com (C1J1Miller@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:54 2003 Subject: [200q20v] no good deed goes unpunished... Message-ID: In a message dated 4/14/01 4:54:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pjrose@frontiernet.net writes: > So, I hope that my > local shop will be available on Monday to dismount the thing (for an > inside patch) and rebalance. Sigh. Inspect the tire carefully; how much for a new tire versus the patch? Figure a patch then rebalance, etc. is min. $15-20, right? Will you feel comfortable (and pass inspection) with a patched tire on the track? Chris From pjrose at frontiernet.net Sun Apr 15 12:31:52 2001 From: pjrose at frontiernet.net (Phil Rose) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:54 2003 Subject: [200q20v] no good deed goes unpunished... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >In a message dated 4/14/01 4:54:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >pjrose@frontiernet.net writes: > >> So, I hope that my >> local shop will be available on Monday to dismount the thing (for an >> inside patch) and rebalance. Sigh. > >Inspect the tire carefully; how much for a new tire versus the patch? Figure >a patch then rebalance, etc. is min. $15-20, right? New tire is $115 (plus mounting and balancing). > Will you feel >comfortable (and pass inspection) with a patched tire on the track? Depending on the type of repair, a patched tire can lose its Z-rating, but I'm told (via a WMB Z3 website and elsewhere) that a proper *internal* patch (vulcanized and extending thru the puncture) will maintain the tire's V (or Z-)rating. With that qualification, I'd would be comfortable using the patched tire for track events--especially considering that my driving conditions (speed, duration, etc) will be far below the limits of the specification. Whether or not QCUSA forbids _any_ type of patch in track events is something I don't know. If so, I'd consider buying a new tire, but I'll have the repair done in any case. At worst, it would become the full-size spare that I've been meaning to carry. Phil -- Phil Rose Rochester, NY mailto:pjrose@frontiernet.net From Vztante at aol.com Mon Apr 16 13:22:19 2001 From: Vztante at aol.com (Vztante@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:54 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Besides Claire...other source for rear Bose amps? Message-ID: Howdy folks! My rear driver's side speaker has been intermittent in it's output ever since I purchased the car a couple of months ago. Yesterday I heard the dreaded buzz and pop. Time to replace it. The PO had already replaced the other. I recall having read about somebody who specializes in replacing Bose amps, and I even checked out their web-site about a year ago. The address has somehow been misplaced. Can you help? I could also use some pointers on how to properly unplug and remove the unit. TIA, Mitch Frey '00 A6 2.7t '91 200tq20v IA Stage 3 From charlie at istari.com Mon Apr 16 11:58:44 2001 From: charlie at istari.com (Charles Baer) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:54 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Besides Claire...other source for rear Bose amps? References: Message-ID: <3ADB24C4.1DF186F@istari.com> Vztante@aol.com wrote: > > Howdy folks! > > My rear driver's side speaker has been intermittent in it's output ever since > I purchased the car a couple of months ago. Yesterday I heard the dreaded > buzz and pop. > > Time to replace it. The PO had already replaced the other. I recall having > read about somebody who specializes in replacing Bose amps, and I even > checked out their web-site about a year ago. The address has somehow been > misplaced. Can you help? I just did a contact cleaning on my left rear Bose this weekend, no help. How many bodies are up for another group purchase ? I'm also considering just rebuilding the system with an external amp, I have a few nice ones lying around. The amp that is making noise had 3M clips all over the power+signal and add-on speaker wire protruding from the housing with a hi-to-low level converter hanging off of it, sheesh! > > I could also use some pointers on how to properly unplug and remove the unit. The screws holding the units to the speakers are not fixed, if you go from below, (like I stupidly did my repairs this weekend) it will be very ugly trying to hold the washer, lock washer and thread the nut in the little space while keeping the screw from moving up and vanishing. Plus everything you drop gets sucked inside the housing by the magnet, forcing you to undo anything that you managed to get assembled. Remove the two bolts below the front edge of the rear seat cushion, lift it out. Remove rear headrests, push out the rest sockets from inside the trunk ( haven't tried that step, just read it in the Bentley ), lift out the upper seat portion. The next Bentley step says to press down near the front of the depression in the rear tray, then remove it in a forward direction. Charlie From pwpetersen at earthlink.net Mon Apr 16 12:05:02 2001 From: pwpetersen at earthlink.net (Peter Petersen) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:54 2003 Subject: [200q20v] (no subject) Message-ID: Anyone know of a good audi mechanic in the Colorado Springs area? Pete From pjrose at frontiernet.net Mon Apr 16 14:45:14 2001 From: pjrose at frontiernet.net (Phil Rose) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:54 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Besides Claire...other source for rear Bose amps? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 12:22 PM -0400 4/16/01, Vztante@aol.com wrote: >Howdy folks! > >My rear driver's side speaker has been intermittent in it's output ever since >I purchased the car a couple of months ago. Yesterday I heard the dreaded >buzz and pop. > >Time to replace it. The PO had already replaced the other. I recall having >read about somebody who specializes in replacing Bose amps, and I even >checked out their web-site about a year ago. The address has somehow been >misplaced. Can you help? > >I could also use some pointers on how to properly unplug and remove the unit. First, just get the speaker's electrical/signal connector unplugged--then later worry about removal and/or replacement (since we know that a squawking Bose speaker is a possible fire-hazard.) To unplug the speaker you need to locate a round connector in the wiring harness near the speaker amp; it's visible and reached from inside the trunk--lying uncomfortably on your back, of course. Should take about 30 seconds. I've unplugged both my rear speakers (even though they're working OK)--just as a precaution. I've now gotten used to the absence of rear speakers. Karl Marx's perceptive remark about religion also applies to car stereos, IMHO. Phil -- Phil Rose Rochester, NY mailto:pjrose@frontiernet.net From wolff at turboquattro.com Mon Apr 16 19:55:25 2001 From: wolff at turboquattro.com (Wolff) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:54 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Besides Claire...other source for rear Bose amps? References: <3ADB24C4.1DF186F@istari.com> Message-ID: <001f01c0c6e1$7864ff40$6401a8c0@pacbell.net> Kepp in mind that the speakers are only 3 ohms. Very difficult to match levels with other speakers and some amps don't like such low values. HTH, Wolff "Nobody can forget the sound." - Michele Mouton ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles Baer To: Cc: <200q20v@audifans.com> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [200q20v] Besides Claire...other source for rear Bose amps? From stevebednarski at mindspring.com Mon Apr 16 23:46:24 2001 From: stevebednarski at mindspring.com (Steve Bednarski) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:54 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Rear brake caliper tool - Helpful part number Message-ID: <000b01c0c6e8$97627ba0$03000004@stevehome> I just recently spent a couple of days buying a number of "wrong" tools for trying to screw in the rear brake calipers for my 1991 Audi 200TQW sedan. My car sat up on jack stands for a few days while I tried to find the tool that would allow me to finish the brake job without spending nearly $100 for the factory Audi tool. I finally found the right tool without spending a fortune. It is Lisle part# 25110 and works like a charm. My local auto parts store obtained the last one from the local warehouse. The good news is that I called Lisle at 712-542-5101 and this part number is still available and can be ordered directly from them if your local store can't source it for you. It fits perfectly and is only $10.95. Hope this helps save someone some time, money, or both. Steve Bednarski From C1J1Miller at aol.com Tue Apr 17 08:26:39 2001 From: C1J1Miller at aol.com (C1J1Miller@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:54 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Besides Claire...other source for rear Bose amps? Message-ID: <3f.13b48456.280d8270@aol.com> anyone know the going rate for rebuilt speakers for the rear deck? Chris From fundsaloracing at yahoo.com Tue Apr 17 06:16:51 2001 From: fundsaloracing at yahoo.com (Fundsalo Racing) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:54 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Besides Claire...other source for rear Bose amps? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010417121651.12354.qmail@web13603.mail.yahoo.com> I've heard the prollum is a pair of under-rated electolytic caps. Should be a relatively minor repair to replace these caps if no additional damage has been done to the amp/speaker. I have a number of failed ones (my R is presently unplugged, replaced this side once already and have no good spare for it)and plan (someday) to try to fix them with cap replacement. When I do I'll report back with results good or bad. Of course I'll use caps with appropriate voltage rating for the automotive environment, not the very marginal ones used by Bose. -glen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From Chewy4000 at aol.com Tue Apr 17 09:25:50 2001 From: Chewy4000 at aol.com (Chewy4000@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:54 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Besides Claire...other source for rear Bose amps? Message-ID: <5b.14cb5149.280d9051@aol.com> My rear speaker actually toasted while I was driving. Opened it up and found to transisters cooked. I'll also fix it one day. Now I have some aftermarket 6x9s in there. Chewy In a message dated Tue, 17 Apr 2001 8:18:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Fundsalo Racing writes: << I've heard the prollum is a pair of under-rated electolytic caps. Should be a relatively minor repair to replace these caps if no additional damage has been done to the amp/speaker. I have a number of failed ones (my R is presently unplugged, replaced this side once already and have no good spare for it)and plan (someday) to try to fix them with cap replacement. When I do I'll report back with results good or bad. Of course I'll use caps with appropriate voltage rating for the automotive environment, not the very marginal ones used by Bose. -glen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ 200q20v mailing list 200q20v@audifans.com http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v >> From fundsaloracing at yahoo.com Tue Apr 17 06:39:57 2001 From: fundsaloracing at yahoo.com (Fundsalo Racing) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:54 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Hakkas loosing studs... In-Reply-To: <01C0C51A.F61A1560.hah@srv.net> Message-ID: <20010417123957.77423.qmail@web13606.mail.yahoo.com> Neven seen this prollum before. Been using sstuffed Hakkas for years. Perhaps the studs were not installed correctly or were not the correct studs for the tires. At one place they asked me if I wanted 'regular' studs or the very slightly more expensive Hakka Eco studs. I went with the Eco studs. ???? -glen OOOO __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From montesawong at yahoo.com Tue Apr 17 07:08:36 2001 From: montesawong at yahoo.com (CL Wong) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:54 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Rear brake caliper tool - Helpful part number In-Reply-To: <000b01c0c6e8$97627ba0$03000004@stevehome> Message-ID: <20010417130836.55731.qmail@web10108.mail.yahoo.com> I spent 1 day doing the same thing for my A4 last fall. I ended up buying some kind of cube looking tool and grinding off 2 nubs on one side to get it to kind of fit. I think the pushing in while turning is the hardest part. --- Steve Bednarski wrote: > I just recently spent a couple of days buying a > number of "wrong" tools for > trying to screw in the rear brake calipers for my > 1991 Audi 200TQW sedan. > My car sat up on jack stands for a few days while I > tried to find the tool > that would allow me to finish the brake job without > spending nearly $100 for > the factory Audi tool. I finally found the right > tool without spending a > fortune. It is Lisle part# 25110 and works like a > charm. My local auto > parts store obtained the last one from the local > warehouse. The good news > is that I called Lisle at 712-542-5101 and this part > number is still > available and can be ordered directly from them if > your local store can't > source it for you. > > It fits perfectly and is only $10.95. Hope this > helps save someone some > time, money, or both. > > Steve Bednarski > > _______________________________________________ > 200q20v mailing list > 200q20v@audifans.com > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From fundsaloracing at yahoo.com Tue Apr 17 07:11:57 2001 From: fundsaloracing at yahoo.com (Fundsalo Racing) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:54 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Rear brake caliper tool - Helpful part number In-Reply-To: <20010417130836.55731.qmail@web10108.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20010417131157.67463.qmail@web13602.mail.yahoo.com> Great care and a pair of large channel-lock pliers werks great - be patient and don't damage that boot! -glen OOOO __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From motogo1 at home.com Tue Apr 17 10:30:58 2001 From: motogo1 at home.com (Gary Martin) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:54 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Rear brake caliper tool - Helpful part number References: <20010417130836.55731.qmail@web10108.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00fb01c0c742$a3b08f00$6a01b418@granby1.ct.home.com> I took a hack saw to an old 1 1/8" socket. Cut it so it just had two 'ears' to fit in the caliper notches. Use a ratchet and extension, and it works perfectly, and was very easy to manufacture. Gary 94UrS4 91 200TQA ----- Original Message ----- From: "CL Wong" To: "Audi200q20v" <200q20v@audifans.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [200q20v] Rear brake caliper tool - Helpful part number > I spent 1 day doing the same thing for my A4 last > fall. > > I ended up buying some kind of cube looking tool and > grinding off 2 nubs on one side to get it to kind of > fit. > > I think the pushing in while turning is the hardest > part. > > > --- Steve Bednarski > wrote: > > I just recently spent a couple of days buying a > > number of "wrong" tools for > > trying to screw in the rear brake calipers for my > > 1991 Audi 200TQW sedan. > > My car sat up on jack stands for a few days while I > > tried to find the tool > > that would allow me to finish the brake job without > > spending nearly $100 for > > the factory Audi tool. I finally found the right > > tool without spending a > > fortune. It is Lisle part# 25110 and works like a > > charm. My local auto > > parts store obtained the last one from the local > > warehouse. The good news > > is that I called Lisle at 712-542-5101 and this part > > number is still > > available and can be ordered directly from them if > > your local store can't > > source it for you. > > > > It fits perfectly and is only $10.95. Hope this > > helps save someone some > > time, money, or both. > > > > Steve Bednarski > > > > _______________________________________________ > > 200q20v mailing list > > 200q20v@audifans.com > > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > 200q20v mailing list > 200q20v@audifans.com > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v > From pwaterloo at compuserve.com Tue Apr 17 09:59:47 2001 From: pwaterloo at compuserve.com (Paul Waterloo) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:54 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Rear brake caliper tool - Helpful part number References: <20010417131157.67463.qmail@web13602.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <01fa01c0c746$aa5c7cc0$cdfbb318@elmhst1.il.home.com> A pair of channel locks with a large "C" clamp putting pressure on piston, turn it a little bit, then keep tightening the "C" clamp.....works great! Don't rip that boot! I did and my caliper froze after years.....just put in a new one.....amazing, even the parking brake works again! Paul _____________________________________________________ Paul Waterloo Applied Energy Services Phone 708-524-9464 Fax 708-524-0079 Voicemail/pager 888-962-7304 pwaterloo@compuserve.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fundsalo Racing" To: "CL Wong" ; "Audi200q20v" <200q20v@audifans.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 8:11 AM Subject: Re: [200q20v] Rear brake caliper tool - Helpful part number > > > Great care and a pair of large channel-lock pliers > werks great - be patient and don't damage that boot! > > -glen > > OOOO > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > 200q20v mailing list > 200q20v@audifans.com > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v From pwaterloo at compuserve.com Tue Apr 17 10:03:23 2001 From: pwaterloo at compuserve.com (Paul Waterloo) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:54 2003 Subject: [200q20v] PS Pump A Good Story! Message-ID: <020a01c0c747$2afe7ae0$cdfbb318@elmhst1.il.home.com> My PS pump let loose again last week, I installed a ZF remanufactured from Blau about two years ago (161K miles). It was leaking slowly from the piston caps..... I looked in my file, found that I had sent in all the warranty information to ZF and they had stamped it and sent it back. Guess what? Three year warranty.....yep.....three years! I called Blau on Friday, they had a pump in stock, had to pay for it on credit card, got it on Saturday, installed it and then I'm returning the old one this week, will get a full credit for a $290 pump! I was two years into the warranty......got to love it! Don't let the Audi Gods find out..... pw _____________________________________________________ Paul Waterloo Applied Energy Services Phone 708-524-9464 Fax 708-524-0079 Voicemail/pager 888-962-7304 pwaterloo@compuserve.com From Mike.Sylvester at sycamorenet.com Tue Apr 17 11:23:43 2001 From: Mike.Sylvester at sycamorenet.com (Sylvester, Mike) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:54 2003 Subject: [200q20v] PS Pump A Good Story! Message-ID: <5B38C8A7BD6AD311A1BC009027B6C22401F1A268@pine.sycamorenet.com> I believe that ZF needs to approve the warranty claim before it is paid. They inspect the pump for cause of failure. If they think your fluid was contaminated they might not pay. Mike Sylvester -----Original Message----- From: Paul Waterloo [mailto:pwaterloo@compuserve.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 10:03 AM To: 200 list Subject: [200q20v] PS Pump A Good Story! My PS pump let loose again last week, I installed a ZF remanufactured from Blau about two years ago (161K miles). It was leaking slowly from the piston caps..... I looked in my file, found that I had sent in all the warranty information to ZF and they had stamped it and sent it back. Guess what? Three year warranty.....yep.....three years! I called Blau on Friday, they had a pump in stock, had to pay for it on credit card, got it on Saturday, installed it and then I'm returning the old one this week, will get a full credit for a $290 pump! I was two years into the warranty......got to love it! Don't let the Audi Gods find out..... pw _____________________________________________________ Paul Waterloo Applied Energy Services Phone 708-524-9464 Fax 708-524-0079 Voicemail/pager 888-962-7304 pwaterloo@compuserve.com _______________________________________________ 200q20v mailing list 200q20v@audifans.com http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v From pjrose at frontiernet.net Tue Apr 17 12:15:36 2001 From: pjrose at frontiernet.net (Phil Rose) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:54 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Hakkas loosing studs... In-Reply-To: <20010417123957.77423.qmail@web13606.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20010417123957.77423.qmail@web13606.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: >Neven seen this prollum before. Been using sstuffed >Hakkas for years. Perhaps the studs were not installed >correctly or were not the correct studs for the tires. >At one place they asked me if I wanted 'regular' studs >or the very slightly more expensive Hakka Eco studs. I >went with the Eco studs. > >???? > >-glen > OOOO Yeh, of course I too have been wondering about that. I bought the tires in 1999 while passing through Burlington VT--picked them up them directly from the Nokian distributor (University Wholesalers), and they were studded by them at that time. Frankly, I don't recall that the question of stud type was ever discussed. I know the matter of stud type was probably _not_ on my mind at the time, but I wouldn't have turned down Eco-studs if they had been suggested as an option. It's interesting that most all the missing studs came from just one side of each tire. Three tires lost mainly "inner" studs whereas the 4th lost "outer" ones. Tread wear is very slight and seems uniform. Phil -- Phil Rose Rochester, NY mailto:pjrose@frontiernet.net From CHemberger at stanadyne.com Tue Apr 17 12:28:16 2001 From: CHemberger at stanadyne.com (Hemberger, Chris) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:54 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Adhesive Wheel Balancing Weights? Message-ID: <61EA0FFD5A40D41190CF0060943F508A183CCF@winexch1.stanadyne.com> This is not a query particular to the 200Q 20V but here goes... Anybody have any positive experience in removing the adhesive residue left by old alloy wheel balancing weights? I have several I'd like to get off prior to re-balancing but don't want to use anything too aggressive which might attack the clearcoat. I was going to try lacquer thinner or pure Acetone - any other thoughts? Thanks. Chris Hemberger 200Q 20V Avant From beels at technologist.com Tue Apr 17 12:26:58 2001 From: beels at technologist.com (Richard Beels) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:54 2003 Subject: [200q20v] PS Pump A Good Story! In-Reply-To: <5B38C8A7BD6AD311A1BC009027B6C22401F1A268@pine.sycamorenet. com> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010417112601.00baa110@mail.iname.com> Sue them in small claims court if they disapprove. They won't show. At 10:23 AM 4/17/2001, Sylvester, Mike was inspired to say: >I believe that ZF needs to approve the warranty claim before it is paid. >They inspect the pump for cause of failure. If they think your fluid was >contaminated they might not pay. > >Mike Sylvester > >-----Original Message----- > >I called Blau on Friday, they had a pump in stock, had to pay for it on >credit card, got it on Saturday, installed it and then I'm returning the old >one this week, will get a full credit for a $290 pump! I was two years into >the warranty......got to love it! Cheers! From dpulvino at agraus.com Tue Apr 17 13:44:59 2001 From: dpulvino at agraus.com (Derek Pulvino) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:54 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Seattle Area Owners Message-ID: Hey all, Is there anybody on this list who lives in the Seattle area, drives a Navy Blue/Black 200 with black leather interior, and has been working semi-reqularly at Seatac Airport? I've seen the car a couple of times over the laxt several weeks, and well, I'm curious. Derek P From brandon at cardinalpartners.com Tue Apr 17 18:07:20 2001 From: brandon at cardinalpartners.com (Brandon Hull) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:54 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Bruce Bell? Message-ID: <3FFC3BD56762D4119C2400A0C9843B4A1208D0@CARDINALNT1> Does anyone have an updated email for Bruce? Thx, BrandonH From calvinlc at earthlink.net Tue Apr 17 21:16:31 2001 From: calvinlc at earthlink.net (Calvin & Diana Craig) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:54 2003 Subject: [200q20v] RE: Adhesive Wheel Balancing Weights? In-Reply-To: <200104171600.MAA05823@www.audifans.com> Message-ID: I have not tried it, but Goof Off seems to get just about any adhesive off. You can buy it at Target or craft stores, or so my wife says, I just use her supply :) I don't think it is too hard on surfaces because we have even used it on a leather couch before and it worked great with no adverse effects. --Calvin Subject: [200q20v] Adhesive Wheel Balancing Weights? This is not a query particular to the 200Q 20V but here goes... Anybody have any positive experience in removing the adhesive residue left by old alloy wheel balancing weights? I have several I'd like to get off prior to re-balancing but don't want to use anything too aggressive which might attack the clearcoat. I was going to try lacquer thinner or pure Acetone - any other thoughts? Thanks. Chris Hemberger 200Q 20V Avant From motogo1 at home.com Tue Apr 17 23:46:27 2001 From: motogo1 at home.com (Gary Martin) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:54 2003 Subject: [200q20v] RE: Adhesive Wheel Balancing Weights? References: Message-ID: <000c01c0c7b1$c48408a0$6a01b418@granby1.ct.home.com> Actually, good ol' WD40 works quite good also. May take some rubbing, but it sure won't hurt the rims. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Calvin & Diana Craig" To: <200q20v@audifans.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 10:16 PM Subject: [200q20v] RE: Adhesive Wheel Balancing Weights? > I have not tried it, but Goof Off seems to get just about any adhesive off. > You can buy it at Target or craft stores, or so my wife says, I just use her > supply :) I don't think it is too hard on surfaces because we have even > used it on a leather couch before and it worked great with no adverse > effects. > --Calvin > > > > > Subject: [200q20v] Adhesive Wheel Balancing Weights? > > This is not a query particular to the 200Q 20V but here goes... Anybody > have any positive experience in removing the adhesive residue left by old > alloy wheel balancing weights? I have several I'd like to get off prior to > re-balancing but don't want to use anything too aggressive which might > attack the clearcoat. I was going to try lacquer thinner or pure Acetone - > any other thoughts? Thanks. > > Chris Hemberger > 200Q 20V Avant > > > _______________________________________________ > 200q20v mailing list > 200q20v@audifans.com > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v From pjrose at frontiernet.net Wed Apr 18 00:14:55 2001 From: pjrose at frontiernet.net (Phil Rose) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:54 2003 Subject: [200q20v] RE: Adhesive Wheel Balancing Weights? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 8:16 PM -0600 4/17/01, Calvin & Diana Craig wrote: >I have not tried it, but Goof Off seems to get just about any adhesive off. >You can buy it at Target or craft stores, or so my wife says, I just use her >supply :) I don't think it is too hard on surfaces because we have even >used it on a leather couch before and it worked great with no adverse >effects. >--Calvin > It's funny to see this question appear--almost minutes after I asked the same thing of the tech who was balancing my tire this afternoon. He gave me the same answer as Calvin's--but I _thought_ he said "Goo Off". Whether it's "Goo" or "Goof", I'll be looking for some. Phil -- Phil Rose Rochester, NY mailto:pjrose@frontiernet.net From Tomsaudi200 at aol.com Wed Apr 18 02:21:09 2001 From: Tomsaudi200 at aol.com (Tomsaudi200@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:54 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Stallin, cryin, cursin Message-ID: "When we last left Tom on his adventure, he was scheduled to return to the dealer, after talking to the head Audi service manager to fix this problem to my satisfaction, after spending hundreds of dollars with no results. Let's see what happened." Enough poetic license, and let me add this is my last post to the list on this matter. I promise. Last Tuesday I dropped my car off at the dealer, as scheduled. As requested, I asked to see the general service manager, and he came out and talked to me. Since I was told how to replicate the problem, I relayed it to him, saying to take your guy out in my car, take it to 1.5 bar, drop the clutch, and it will stall. Several minutes go by, he comes back to me, and insists I take someone along with me, and replicate the problem with me driving the car. I explain my mother has taken time off from work to take me to the dealer, and needs to get back ASAP. I am told that since this is my third visit to the dealer, he insists I take his guy out for a drive. So I hop on the highway, replicate the problem, return to dealer. Nuff' said. I wait an eternity until the manager notices no one is waiting on me, and has our fellow lister take care of the service order. Meanwhile, my mother has lost almost two hours of work between the commute and waiting for me to helped. Now, I know that the turbo bypass valve takes all of 45 minutes to install, so I expected a call that day, since I had an appointment that I made well in advance. No call. Another day goes by. No call. I finally call the dealer, and ask about my car. I am told that no one has worked on it yet (so in other words, it's just been sitting on their lot). I am assured that the car will be worked on that day, even if it means overtime. No call. Friday rolls around, and I get a call at 4:30 in the afternoon saying the car is ready, and I will be charged (?). With no loaner, and no means for anyone to get me to the dealer, I am basically stuck. It was not until today, a full week without my car, that I was able to retrieve it. Some guy I'd never seen before helps me, and I ask why I am being charged for the job. Since he doesn't know my situation, he goes for help. And I wait. Again. I explain I had talked to the general service manager, and that he wanted to make this right for me. I get nowhere fast. I argue I never would have agreed to spend the $500 to do the circuit board if it would only cure the bouncing speedo. I am reminded of the TSB, and that I agreed to have the service done. That I do not contest, but it failed to correct the problem. I called the manager because I felt that they would continue to charge me until they got the problem fixed with absolutely no regard to any mistakes they had made in curing the stalling. He agreed this was wrong, and said he wanted me to be happy. But not today. Instead, I was charged for the work. The guy couldn't even be bothered to see me face to face, after saying I should deal with him only. I tried to be firm, stating that this was their chance to do right by me, and to come clean. They wouldn't hear it. Let me remind you, this was the guy who said he was new in town, and his first priority was improving consumer relations. I should have bought the Brooklyn Bridge too.... So, like the fool I am, I turned over my credit card. For $64, I could have gone home thinking that they did do right by me, but no. After false promises from the manager, FOUR days of keeping my car for a 45 minute job, I think I finally get the message about what Audi of Fairfield thinks of me. I gave them their chance to do good, and took their word that they would. Now I'm the sucker. And my car was absolutely filthy. And I'm saving the best for last. I am to pay for the parts if they work. Soo, I'm contemplating a call to my lawyer, Audi of North America, CT Better Business Bureau, but there is one thing I just do not get. Posted on the wall in the service waiting area is a poster of the dealer's service performance. It is rated as perfect in every area, but, like they say, don't believe everything you read. Tom From pwaterloo at compuserve.com Wed Apr 18 07:08:08 2001 From: pwaterloo at compuserve.com (Paul Waterloo) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:54 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Stallin, cryin, cursin References: Message-ID: <04d901c0c7f7$d9da8440$cdfbb318@elmhst1.il.home.com> So did they replace the bypass valve? Did it work? I'm gonna be in CT next week, I'm ready to stop by and change it for you for free so we can all see if it stops the stalling.... Wish you luck......why do car dealers do this? I don't think it is this one in particular.... Paul _____________________________________________________ Paul Waterloo Applied Energy Services Phone 708-524-9464 Fax 708-524-0079 Voicemail/pager 888-962-7304 pwaterloo@compuserve.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: <200q20v@audifans.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 12:21 AM Subject: [200q20v] Stallin, cryin, cursin > > "When we last left Tom on his adventure, he was scheduled to return to the > dealer, after talking to the head Audi service manager to fix this problem to > my satisfaction, after spending hundreds of dollars with no results. Let's > see what happened." > > Enough poetic license, and let me add this is my last post to the list on > this matter. I promise. Last Tuesday I dropped my car off at the dealer, as > scheduled. As requested, I asked to see the general service manager, and he > came out and talked to me. Since I was told how to replicate the problem, I > relayed it to him, saying to take your guy out in my car, take it to 1.5 bar, > drop the clutch, and it will stall. > > Several minutes go by, he comes back to me, and insists I take someone along > with me, and replicate the problem with me driving the car. I explain my > mother has taken time off from work to take me to the dealer, and needs to > get back ASAP. I am told that since this is my third visit to the dealer, he > insists I take his guy out for a drive. So I hop on the highway, replicate > the problem, return to dealer. Nuff' said. > > I wait an eternity until the manager notices no one is waiting on me, and has > our fellow lister take care of the service order. Meanwhile, my mother has > lost almost two hours of work between the commute and waiting for me to > helped. > > Now, I know that the turbo bypass valve takes all of 45 minutes to install, > so I expected a call that day, since I had an appointment that I made well in > advance. No call. Another day goes by. No call. I finally call the dealer, > and ask about my car. I am told that no one has worked on it yet (so in other > words, it's just been sitting on their lot). I am assured that the car will > be worked on that day, even if it means overtime. No call. Friday rolls > around, and I get a call at 4:30 in the afternoon saying the car is ready, > and I will be charged (?). With no loaner, and no means for anyone to get me > to the dealer, I am basically stuck. > > It was not until today, a full week without my car, that I was able to > retrieve it. Some guy I'd never seen before helps me, and I ask why I am > being charged for the job. Since he doesn't know my situation, he goes for > help. And I wait. Again. I explain I had talked to the general service > manager, and that he wanted to make this right for me. > > I get nowhere fast. I argue I never would have agreed to spend the $500 to do > the circuit board if it would only cure the bouncing speedo. I am reminded of > the TSB, and that I agreed to have the service done. That I do not contest, > but it failed to correct the problem. I called the manager because I felt > that they would continue to charge me until they got the problem fixed with > absolutely no regard to any mistakes they had made in curing the stalling. He > agreed this was wrong, and said he wanted me to be happy. > > But not today. Instead, I was charged for the work. The guy couldn't even be > bothered to see me face to face, after saying I should deal with him only. I > tried to be firm, stating that this was their chance to do right by me, and > to come clean. They wouldn't hear it. Let me remind you, this was the guy who > said he was new in town, and his first priority was improving consumer > relations. I should have bought the Brooklyn Bridge too.... > > So, like the fool I am, I turned over my credit card. For $64, I could have > gone home thinking that they did do right by me, but no. After false promises > from the manager, FOUR days of keeping my car for a 45 minute job, I think I > finally get the message about what Audi of Fairfield thinks of me. I gave > them their chance to do good, and took their word that they would. Now I'm > the sucker. And my car was absolutely filthy. > > And I'm saving the best for last. I am to pay for the parts if they work. > > Soo, I'm contemplating a call to my lawyer, Audi of North America, CT Better > Business Bureau, but there is one thing I just do not get. Posted on the wall > in the service waiting area is a poster of the dealer's service performance. > It is rated as perfect in every area, but, like they say, don't believe > everything you read. > > Tom > _______________________________________________ > 200q20v mailing list > 200q20v@audifans.com > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v From fundsaloracing at yahoo.com Wed Apr 18 06:19:59 2001 From: fundsaloracing at yahoo.com (Fundsalo Racing) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:54 2003 Subject: [200q20v] RE: Adhesive Wheel Balancing Weights? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010418121959.2082.qmail@web13606.mail.yahoo.com> The product you might be looking for might be called "Goo Gone". It's a yellowish liquid in a clear bottle. Does werk! (wish I'd thought of that stuff....) -glen OOOO __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From knotnook at traverse.com Wed Apr 18 10:03:56 2001 From: knotnook at traverse.com (Kneale Brownson) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:54 2003 Subject: [200q20v] RE: Adhesive Wheel Balancing Weights? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4.3.1.2.20010418090126.00b1e270@traverse.com> Sold at some housekeeping cleaning supply places (where motels buy their supplies) as Goo-Be-Gone or Goo Gone. At 11:14 PM 04/17/2001 -0400, Phil Rose wrote: >At 8:16 PM -0600 4/17/01, Calvin & Diana Craig wrote: >>I have not tried it, but Goof Off seems to get just about any adhesive off. >>You can buy it at Target or craft stores, or so my wife says, I just use her >>supply :) I don't think it is too hard on surfaces because we have even >>used it on a leather couch before and it worked great with no adverse >>effects. >>--Calvin > >It's funny to see this question appear--almost minutes after I asked the >same thing of the tech who was balancing my tire this afternoon. He gave >me the same answer as Calvin's--but I _thought_ he said "Goo Off". Whether >it's "Goo" or "Goof", I'll be looking for some. > >Phil >-- > >Phil Rose >Rochester, NY >mailto:pjrose@frontiernet.net >_______________________________________________ >200q20v mailing list >200q20v@audifans.com >http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v > > From dschaible at penw.com Wed Apr 18 09:51:01 2001 From: dschaible at penw.com (David Schaible) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:54 2003 Subject: [200q20v] heavens to mergatroid, blowout at 90 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20010418085101.0099c300@mailhost.pny.penw.com> i always wondered what would happen if you had a blowout at high speed and yesterday i had my big chance to find out...i was going a little faster than the flow of traffic (90mph) up a hill on I84 in NY and felt a vibration like a wheel out of balance and less than two seconds later i was driving on my rim. it was the rear drivers side wheel. basically it was no issue, i just slowed down and got over the 3 lanes onto the shoulder, three cheers for quattro technology....i think it might have been different if it was a front tire....oh yeah, don't forget to check your spare tire pressure occasionally From ELLIEOLSEN at aol.com Wed Apr 18 10:09:55 2001 From: ELLIEOLSEN at aol.com (ELLIEOLSEN@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:54 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Goo-Gone Message-ID: HI GUYS, YOU CAN GET GOO GONE AT TARGET OR KMART SHAWN From rbwinchell at yahoo.com Wed Apr 18 07:20:23 2001 From: rbwinchell at yahoo.com (Rob Winchell) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:54 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Stallin, cryin, cursin In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010418132023.26645.qmail@web205.mail.yahoo.com> > Soo, I'm contemplating a call to my lawyer, Audi of > North America, CT Better > Business Bureau, but there is one thing I just do > not get. Posted on the wall > in the service waiting area is a poster of the > dealer's service performance. > It is rated as perfect in every area, but, like they > say, don't believe > everything you read. Skip the lawyer and BBB, and call Audi of America. Talk to, or at least find out who your local rep is. If you can't talk with him, call the dealer and let him know you are talking with Audi of America, name the AoA rep by name at least once or twice. Dealers HATE to have bad things said about them to corporate. If that does not get you anywhere, follow through with AoA. Rob Winchell 200q20v > > Tom > _______________________________________________ > 200q20v mailing list > 200q20v@audifans.com > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From pjrose at frontiernet.net Wed Apr 18 11:41:26 2001 From: pjrose at frontiernet.net (Phil Rose) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:54 2003 Subject: [200q20v] heavens to mergatroid, blowout at 90 In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20010418085101.0099c300@mailhost.pny.penw.com> References: <3.0.1.32.20010418085101.0099c300@mailhost.pny.penw.com> Message-ID: At 8:51 AM -0400 4/18/01, David Schaible wrote: >i always wondered what would happen if you had a blowout at high speed and >yesterday i had my big chance to find out...i was going a little faster >than the flow of traffic (90mph) up a hill on I84 in NY and felt a >vibration like a wheel out of balance and less than two seconds later i was >driving on my rim. it was the rear drivers side wheel. basically it was >no issue, i just slowed down and got over the 3 lanes onto the shoulder, >three cheers for quattro technology....i think it might have been different >if it was a front tire....oh yeah, don't forget to check your spare tire >pressure occasionally Glad to hear the experience didn't get too messy. Was the wheel damaged? The last dramatic "blowout" I recall having was wayyyy back in my teenage years when the standard issue was tube-type tires. I was driving (my beloved 1950 chevy) in town at only about 35 mph when a sudden, deafening "BANG!!" was enough to to get even my teenager pulse rate of to jump a bit. [no smart remarks about teenagers and sudden bangs, please] Nowadays, tubeless tire failures thankfully tend to not have consequences as dramatic and threatening as in days of yore (Explorers with Firestone tires excepted). Today's quiet, but sudden failures remain hazardous and potentially deadly, but the term "blowout" seems not as appropriate as it once was to describe the event. Phil -- Phil Rose Rochester, NY mailto:pjrose@frontiernet.net From C1J1Miller at aol.com Wed Apr 18 11:56:44 2001 From: C1J1Miller at aol.com (C1J1Miller@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:54 2003 Subject: [200q20v] heavens to mergatroid, blowout at 90 Message-ID: Haven't had a flat in the 200q, but in a former 4kq, I had a rear tire go flat a couple times. Could not really tell it was flat while driving... Chris In a message dated Wed, 18 Apr 2001 10:41:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Phil Rose writes: << At 8:51 AM -0400 4/18/01, David Schaible wrote: >i always wondered what would happen if you had a blowout at high speed and >yesterday i had my big chance to find out...i was going a little faster >than the flow of traffic (90mph) up a hill on I84 in NY and felt a >vibration like a wheel out of balance and less than two seconds later i was >driving on my rim. it was the rear drivers side wheel. basically it was >no issue, i just slowed down and got over the 3 lanes onto the shoulder, >three cheers for quattro technology....i think it might have been different >if it was a front tire....oh yeah, don't forget to check your spare tire >pressure occasionally Glad to hear the experience didn't get too messy. Was the wheel damaged? The last dramatic "blowout" I recall having was wayyyy back in my teenage years when the standard issue was tube-type tires. I was driving (my beloved 1950 chevy) in town at only about 35 mph when a sudden, deafening "BANG!!" was enough to to get even my teenager pulse rate of to jump a bit. [no smart remarks about teenagers and sudden bangs, please] Nowadays, tubeless tire failures thankfully tend to not have consequences as dramatic and threatening as in days of yore (Explorers with Firestone tires excepted). Today's quiet, but sudden failures remain hazardous and potentially deadly, but the term "blowout" seems not as appropriate as it once was to describe the event. Phil -- Phil Rose Rochester, NY mailto:pjrose@frontiernet.net _______________________________________________ 200q20v mailing list 200q20v@audifans.com http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v >> From dschaible at penw.com Wed Apr 18 12:24:43 2001 From: dschaible at penw.com (David Schaible) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:54 2003 Subject: [200q20v] heavens to mergatroid, blowout at 90 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20010418112443.009a4c00@mailhost.pny.penw.com> i definitely knew instantly what had happened and definitely could tell there was a flat, the tire was totally wasted, the inside sidewall was cut all the way around but the beads held to the rim so the tire parts didn't go flying off. the wheel was not really damaged, fortunately, it was a steel wheel with a dunlop graspic snow tire, i didn't really inspect it too closely i believe it just suffered some minor burring and cosmetic damage to the lip. there were at least three decent sized pieces of steel imbedded in the tread. puts a rush on getting my bbs factory summer wheels finished, so i'm driving my urq rather than the 20v with the donut (life is tough ;-) )...interesting side note my spare wheel is a steel wheel, maroon in color with yellow stickers on it, almost matches the color of the car giving an "interesting" appearance. At 10:56 AM 4/18/01 EDT, C1J1Miller@aol.com wrote: >Haven't had a flat in the 200q, but in a former 4kq, I had a rear tire go flat a couple times. Could not really tell it was flat while driving... >Chris > > > > >In a message dated Wed, 18 Apr 2001 10:41:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Phil Rose writes: > ><< At 8:51 AM -0400 4/18/01, David Schaible wrote: >>i always wondered what would happen if you had a blowout at high speed and >>yesterday i had my big chance to find out...i was going a little faster >>than the flow of traffic (90mph) up a hill on I84 in NY and felt a >>vibration like a wheel out of balance and less than two seconds later i was >>driving on my rim. it was the rear drivers side wheel. basically it was >>no issue, i just slowed down and got over the 3 lanes onto the shoulder, >>three cheers for quattro technology....i think it might have been different >>if it was a front tire....oh yeah, don't forget to check your spare tire >>pressure occasionally > >Glad to hear the experience didn't get too messy. Was the wheel damaged? > >The last dramatic "blowout" I recall having was wayyyy back in my >teenage years when the standard issue was tube-type tires. I was >driving (my beloved 1950 chevy) in town at only about 35 mph when a >sudden, deafening "BANG!!" was enough to to get even my teenager >pulse rate of to jump a bit. [no smart remarks about teenagers and >sudden bangs, please] > >Nowadays, tubeless tire failures thankfully tend to not have >consequences as dramatic and threatening as in days of yore >(Explorers with Firestone tires excepted). Today's quiet, but sudden >failures remain hazardous and potentially deadly, but the term >"blowout" seems not as appropriate as it once was to describe the >event. > >Phil >-- > >Phil Rose >Rochester, NY >mailto:pjrose@frontiernet.net >_______________________________________________ >200q20v mailing list >200q20v@audifans.com >http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v > >> > > > From C1J1Miller at aol.com Wed Apr 18 12:33:55 2001 From: C1J1Miller at aol.com (C1J1Miller@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:54 2003 Subject: [200q20v] heavens to mergatroid, blowout at 90 Message-ID: Did you hit something, or did the tire just come apart? I wonder if you drove on a partially inflated/mostly deflated tire long enough to have it break up? Chris In a message dated Wed, 18 Apr 2001 11:32:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, David Schaible writes: << i definitely knew instantly what had happened and definitely could tell there was a flat, the tire was totally wasted, the inside sidewall was cut all the way around but the beads held to the rim so the tire parts didn't go flying off. the wheel was not really damaged, fortunately, it was a steel wheel with a dunlop graspic snow tire, i didn't really inspect it too closely i believe it just suffered some minor burring and cosmetic damage to the lip. there were at least three decent sized pieces of steel imbedded in the tread. puts a rush on getting my bbs factory summer wheels finished, so i'm driving my urq rather than the 20v with the donut (life is tough ;-) )...interesting side note my spare wheel is a steel wheel, maroon in color with yellow stickers on it, almost matches the color of the car giving an "interesting" appearance. At 10:56 AM 4/18/01 EDT, C1J1Miller@aol.com wrote: >Haven't had a flat in the 200q, but in a former 4kq, I had a rear tire go flat a couple times. Could not really tell it was flat while driving... >Chris > > > > >In a message dated Wed, 18 Apr 2001 10:41:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Phil Rose writes: > ><< At 8:51 AM -0400 4/18/01, David Schaible wrote: >>i always wondered what would happen if you had a blowout at high speed and >>yesterday i had my big chance to find out...i was going a little faster >>than the flow of traffic (90mph) up a hill on I84 in NY and felt a >>vibration like a wheel out of balance and less than two seconds later i was >>driving on my rim. it was the rear drivers side wheel. basically it was >>no issue, i just slowed down and got over the 3 lanes onto the shoulder, >>three cheers for quattro technology....i think it might have been different >>if it was a front tire....oh yeah, don't forget to check your spare tire >>pressure occasionally > >Glad to hear the experience didn't get too messy. Was the wheel damaged? > >The last dramatic "blowout" I recall having was wayyyy back in my >teenage years when the standard issue was tube-type tires. I was >driving (my beloved 1950 chevy) in town at only about 35 mph when a >sudden, deafening "BANG!!" was enough to to get even my teenager >pulse rate of to jump a bit. [no smart remarks about teenagers and >sudden bangs, please] > >Nowadays, tubeless tire failures thankfully tend to not have >consequences as dramatic and threatening as in days of yore >(Explorers with Firestone tires excepted). Today's quiet, but sudden >failures remain hazardous and potentially deadly, but the term >"blowout" seems not as appropriate as it once was to describe the >event. > >Phil >-- > >Phil Rose >Rochester, NY >mailto:pjrose@frontiernet.net >_______________________________________________ >200q20v mailing list >200q20v@audifans.com >http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v > >> > > > >> From Brian.Link at Level3.com Wed Apr 18 11:13:15 2001 From: Brian.Link at Level3.com (Brian.Link@Level3.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:54 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Part number help? Message-ID: <03662D7010CDD411A02A0008C791EC541D3E8A@N0226IDC1.oss.level3.com> Could someone provide me with the part number for the 3B WGFV? From hah at srv.net Wed Apr 18 12:02:00 2001 From: hah at srv.net (hah@srv.net) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:54 2003 Subject: [200q20v] heavens to mergatroid, blowout at 90 Message-ID: <200104181702.f3IH2Ab29333@idscc05.onewest.net> >Haven't had a flat in the 200q, but in a former 4kq, I had a rear tire go flat a couple times. Could not really tell it was flat while driving... >Chris Ooh, blowout stories. NAC. 1) in high school, '73 1/2 ton Suburban, driver's side rear. Cruising along a dirt road in Utah (Dad said, here's a gas card, take the old Suburban down to my ranch partner in Trout Creek) at ~50. Warm day, ~five-year-old Michelin M+S tires. Hmm, what's that flapping noise (whack, whack, whack) coming from the back? Pull over gently, oh it's just a piece of tread from the disintegrated tire hitting the wheelwell. Change to spare (more-or-less inflated) and proceed along back to "town" (Delta, UT?) - ranch buddy wasn't home when I got there so I was headed back to a phone - get used tire from gas station/tire store, call Dad from pay phone, get chewed out for not just waiting at the ranch. Whee. 2) year and half ago, my GTI, driver's side front. Cruising along freeway at ~80 (limit +5). Apparently picked up a nail, thanks construction truck. Hmm, what's that whirring noise getting louder and louder? Pull over gently, oh it's the rim trying to chew through the deflated sidewall of a smoking ruin that used to be an SP8000. Big-nail-size hole in tread. Oh well, they are down to $75 now for the 195-55/14. Change to spare, complete rest of 800-mile trip on it. The flat happened less than 40 miles after the start of the trip. Mail-order another SP8k from Tire Rack since there is no road hazard warranty of course. Whee. No controllability issues for me in either case, but I wasn't swerving to avoid rolled Explorers or anything. Might have noticed sooner if there were some low-speed cornering happening instead of straight-and-level, but arguably neither of these flats would have happened unless I was right where I was, doing what I was doing. Oh well. Henry http://www.srv.net/~hah 1991 200 quattro, 112k, no flats yet, amplifier mounted on top of spare 1988 GTI 16v, 217k, valve cores were a little loose on the Hakkas lst fall From pjrose at frontiernet.net Wed Apr 18 14:13:24 2001 From: pjrose at frontiernet.net (Phil Rose) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:54 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Part number help? In-Reply-To: <03662D7010CDD411A02A0008C791EC541D3E8A@N0226IDC1.oss.level3.com> References: <03662D7010CDD411A02A0008C791EC541D3E8A@N0226IDC1.oss.level3.com> Message-ID: At 10:13 AM -0600 4/18/01, Brian.Link@Level3.com wrote: >Could someone provide me with the part number for the 3B WGFV? >_______________________________________________ >200q20v mailing list >200q20v@audifans.com >http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v 034 906 283 J (from an old one sitting right here on my desk) Phil -- Phil Rose Rochester, NY mailto:pjrose@frontiernet.net From stevebednarski at mindspring.com Wed Apr 18 14:10:09 2001 From: stevebednarski at mindspring.com (Steve Bednarski) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:54 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Wanted: rear Bose amp - dead or alive Message-ID: <000001c0c82a$6ce4f5e0$03000004@stevehome> Does anyone on the list have one 200TQ rear speaker Bose amplifier (or amplifier/speaker assembly) that they'd be willing to sell for cheap. Maybe you've pulled one from your car already... I'll even take a dead or buzzing unit to see if I can repair it. Please contact me privately via email. TIA. SteveBednarski From copley at snet.net Wed Apr 18 14:24:35 2001 From: copley at snet.net (copley one) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:54 2003 Subject: [200q20v] need free blizzaks? Message-ID: <3ADDCDD2.2E6894D5@snet.net> Does anyone want a set of 4 225-60?-15 Blizzaks (they fit stock Avus16") Run one season (not by me.) Free to anyone who can pick them up here in CT or meet me somewhere convenient. paul k From brandon at cardinalpartners.com Wed Apr 18 14:33:51 2001 From: brandon at cardinalpartners.com (Brandon Hull) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:54 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Beemers at Summit Point Message-ID: <3FFC3BD56762D4119C2400A0C9843B4A1208F3@CARDINALNT1> Any other Audistas at Summit point this weekend for the NJ region BMWCCA DE? Brandon H eS2 From copley at snet.net Wed Apr 18 14:43:48 2001 From: copley at snet.net (copley one) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:54 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Blizzaks corrected Message-ID: <3ADDD254.32326B23@snet.net> sorry about the typo . They are 16 inch tires that fit the stock S-car Avus nicely. Free. From C1J1Miller at aol.com Wed Apr 18 14:38:57 2001 From: C1J1Miller at aol.com (C1J1Miller@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:54 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Part number help? Message-ID: <105.209d0b2.280f2b33@aol.com> In a message dated Wed, 18 Apr 2001 12:14:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Brian.Link@Level3.com writes: << Could someone provide me with the part number for the 3B WGFV? >> 034 906 283 F (034 906 283 H 1991/1992 ABY engine and AAN Engines in S4/S6) (034 906 283 J 3B engine in early S2) (034 906 283 K ADU and ABY engines in late S2 and RS2) From: http://members.aol.com/c1j1miller/partlist.html From copley at snet.net Wed Apr 18 15:00:50 2001 From: copley at snet.net (copley one) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:54 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Blizzaks Gone Message-ID: <3ADDD652.1663DC50@snet.net> these lovely 16" snow are GONE, thanks to the lively fingers on keyboards all OVER the country. Webmaster/Audi guru Chris Miller is the lucky one: also gets the award for having the fastest fingers. Thanks all. From donohue at netconnx.net Wed Apr 18 15:22:14 2001 From: donohue at netconnx.net (Tom Donohue) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:54 2003 Subject: [200q20v] need free blizzaks? References: <3ADDCDD2.2E6894D5@snet.net> Message-ID: <3ADDDB56.9EB9F51A@netconnx.net> 15" Blizzaks fit stock Avus 16"s? copley one wrote: > Does anyone want a set of 4 225-60?-15 Blizzaks (they fit stock Avus16") > > Run one season (not by me.) > > Free to anyone who can pick them up here in CT or meet me somewhere > convenient. > > paul k > > _______________________________________________ > 200q20v mailing list > 200q20v@audifans.com > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v From fundsaloracing at yahoo.com Wed Apr 18 12:22:26 2001 From: fundsaloracing at yahoo.com (Fundsalo Racing) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:54 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Part number help? In-Reply-To: <03662D7010CDD411A02A0008C791EC541D3E8A@N0226IDC1.oss.level3.com> Message-ID: <20010418182226.8304.qmail@web13601.mail.yahoo.com> I don't have the number, but they were on sale in the Blau flyer I received just yesterday.... http://www.audiquattroparts.com/ -glen OOOO --- Brian.Link@Level3.com wrote: > > Could someone provide me with the part number for > the 3B WGFV? > _______________________________________________ > 200q20v mailing list > 200q20v@audifans.com > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dschaible at penw.com Wed Apr 18 15:19:16 2001 From: dschaible at penw.com (David Schaible) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:54 2003 Subject: [200q20v] (no subject) Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20010418141916.009a89d0@mailhost.pny.penw.com> anybody got any potenza re71's 215-60-15 for sale, they have been discontinued and i need two to get my summer wheels on, otherwise they go to waste and i buy four new.... :-( From Vztante at aol.com Wed Apr 18 16:45:21 2001 From: Vztante at aol.com (Vztante@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:54 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Besides Claire...other source for rear Bose amps? Message-ID: Thanks for the feedback. I unplugged the offending amp/speaker, and am surprised at how little I miss those rears. I may just forget about replacing it after all. I did find this Bose related site thru Chris Miller's site: http://www.davescoolstuff.com/index.htm Has anyone on this list had experience with this guy? Sounds fairly reasonable at $110 per amp. Thanks, Mitch Frey '00 A6 2.7t '91 200tq20v IA Stage 3 From C1J1Miller at aol.com Wed Apr 18 16:51:17 2001 From: C1J1Miller at aol.com (C1J1Miller@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:54 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Besides Claire...other source for rear Bose amps? Message-ID: In a message dated Wed, 18 Apr 2001 3:48:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Vztante@aol.com writes: << Thanks for the feedback. I unplugged the offending amp/speaker, and am surprised at how little I miss those rears. I may just forget about replacing it after all. I did find this Bose related site thru Chris Miller's site: http://www.davescoolstuff.com/index.htm Has anyone on this list had experience with this guy? Sounds fairly reasonable at $110 per amp. Thanks, Mitch Frey >> I had my set rebuilt last year by Bose (actually, replaced both with new components, from speaker cores, magnets, metal basket, to entire amps). I'm considering pulling them and doing the custom speaker thing... just for a fun project, not because of the sound. Chris From Vztante at aol.com Wed Apr 18 17:11:13 2001 From: Vztante at aol.com (Vztante@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:54 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Mine no longer stalls Message-ID: I piped in a while back about how my car was also stalling, typically as I slowed for a stop. It happened once every time I drove for about a week, and then tapered off to every other time for a few days. The last week has been completely stall-free! I asked my mechanic about this when the problem began, and he said that it most likely had to do with the transition from winter to spring gas. At least here in Oregon, the fuel mixture is altered beginning either in April or March. Something about oxygen content, IIRC. They suggested that I drive it for another 200 miles to see if it would improve, rather than replacing the bypass valve at that time. Every year at this time they receive calls from customers with the same issue. I'll let you all know if it starts to stall again, but for now, I think the gas might have been the culprit. Mitch Frey '00 A6 2.7t '91 200tq20v IA Stage 3 From Vztante at aol.com Wed Apr 18 17:14:03 2001 From: Vztante at aol.com (Vztante@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:54 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Besides Claire...other source for rear Bose amps? Message-ID: <92.135e81fb.280f4f8b@aol.com> I'm curious what could be done custom-wise with those speakers. Anybody successfully replaced them with non-Bose units? Mitch Frey '00 A6 2.7t '91 200tq20v IA Stage 3 From hah at srv.net Wed Apr 18 15:29:00 2001 From: hah at srv.net (hah@srv.net) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:54 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Besides Claire...other source for rear Bose amps? Message-ID: <200104182029.f3IKTCE27746@idscc05.onewest.net> >I'm curious what could be done custom-wise with those speakers. Anybody >successfully replaced them with non-Bose units? Yes, quite successfully. Then you can sell your Bose components to fellow listers who haven't quite yet seen/heard the light :) (not a good way to net a profit though) See http://www.srv.net/~hah/audi/audio.htm and http://www.srv.net/~hah/audi for details. Polk db series 6x9" bolted right up, in my case. Now the wiring for the amplifier took a little time, but quite worth it. HTH Henry Harper http://www.srv.net/~hah 1991 200 quattro, 112k 1988 GTI 16v, 217k From charlie at istari.com Wed Apr 18 15:31:25 2001 From: charlie at istari.com (Charles Baer) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:54 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Besides Claire...other source for rear Bose amps? References: <92.135e81fb.280f4f8b@aol.com> Message-ID: <3ADDF99D.F4320C1@istari.com> Ok, as I said I have stuff lying around, unused for the moment so why not stuff it into the 200q20v ?!? After deciding I should definitely disconnect the rear speakers I immediately noticed the loss of the boomy bass, which isn't really a bad thing, I always thought it was kind of sloppy for a fancy Bose installation. The rear deck actually is a pair of round ~5.5" ??? holes, the bose drivers are single-cone 6x9s, or at least that shape if not the exact size. I'll try this installation, as the components have just been taking up shelf space since my 911 was taken offline for a rebuild: - replace the factory drivers w/ 6" yamaha subs, gotta figger a mount - filter thru Nakamichi 204 (I think that's the number) active eq - drive w/ either a Nak PA300 or similarly rated Soundstream PA The signals are there, power trigger from either speaker connector, battery is inches (ok, coupla feet) away. Aside from mounting the subs in the 6x9 positions and anchoring the new boxes, it should be a trivial job. With the crossover in the system, I can also try different rolloff frequencies to see what kind of sound the cabin has with better low-freq drivers. I might even add some tweets I bought for another rig. I'll pass on an update next week if I actually get to it this weekend. Charlie Vztante@aol.com wrote: > > I'm curious what could be done custom-wise with those speakers. Anybody > successfully replaced them with non-Bose units? > > Mitch Frey > '00 A6 2.7t > '91 200tq20v IA Stage 3 > _______________________________________________ > 200q20v mailing list > 200q20v@audifans.com > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v -- Anyone who cannot cope with Mathematics is not fully human. At best (he) is a tolerable sub-human who has learned to wear shoes, bathe, and not make messes in the house. - Lazarus Long From c123666 at earthlink.net Wed Apr 18 14:39:27 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:54 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Besides Claire...other source for rear Bose amps? References: <200104182029.f3IKTCE27746@idscc05.onewest.net> Message-ID: <028f01c0c847$ac84c730$85843604@D9569601> Dump the stock amp (s) and buy used ADS stuff on ebay. One can pick up a very tasty four to eight channel amp for anywhere from 150 to 400 if one has some time and patience. best damn amps around (along with McIntosh....) Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: To: <200q20v@audifans.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 6:29 AM Subject: Re: Re: [200q20v] Besides Claire...other source for rear Bose amps? > >I'm curious what could be done custom-wise with those speakers. Anybody > >successfully replaced them with non-Bose units? > > Yes, quite successfully. Then you can sell your Bose components to > fellow listers who haven't quite yet seen/heard the light :) > (not a good way to net a profit though) > > See http://www.srv.net/~hah/audi/audio.htm and http://www.srv.net/~hah/audi > for details. > > Polk db series 6x9" bolted right up, in my case. Now the wiring for the > amplifier took a little time, but quite worth it. > > HTH > Henry Harper > http://www.srv.net/~hah > 1991 200 quattro, 112k > 1988 GTI 16v, 217k > _______________________________________________ > 200q20v mailing list > 200q20v@audifans.com > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v From t44tq at mindspring.com Wed Apr 18 21:07:34 2001 From: t44tq at mindspring.com (TM) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:54 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Besides Claire...other source for rear Bose amps? In-Reply-To: <3ADDF99D.F4320C1@istari.com> Message-ID: <001601c0c864$bbfbcca0$d97afea9@noone> Charles, I have no idea what 6" Yamaha subs are for a car audio application, but your idea sounds interesting. I'd like to see what you actually implement. I scrapped my whole Bose system- it sounded absolutely horrible. It totally justified why Bose has been called "Blows- no highs, no lows." I had to turn the treble to max just to make it sound like it had some highs. Now, with Boston Acoustics speakers driven by an a/d/s amp, it sounds quite nice, even though the dash-mounted tweeters make it sound a bit too bright. I don't have adjustable crossovers on my speakers, so I can't tone down the treble like you can with the MB Quart competition crossover. If I wanted to make the system sound even better, I would have gotten a/d/s components, because I'm not one to spend the time and money fabbing custom door pods to hold a larger speaker. Otherwise, I would have mounted some nice a/d/s 6.5" components in the front doors and equivalent 6.5" coaxes in the back. Taka From t44tq at mindspring.com Wed Apr 18 21:10:57 2001 From: t44tq at mindspring.com (TM) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:54 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Besides Claire...other source for rear Bose amps? In-Reply-To: <028f01c0c847$ac84c730$85843604@D9569601> Message-ID: <001701c0c865$351cb5e0$d97afea9@noone> Carl, I definitely concur. My 640.2 is a very nice amp and not even one of the higher priced a/d/s amps. Mac is very very nice as well. I have to reserve judgement on Zapco, Xtant, Brax, etc. as I have not heard them all. BTW, Focal Polykevlars are probably the nicest car speakers that I've ever listened to. Amazingly good sound. Taka From charlie at istari.com Wed Apr 18 20:11:42 2001 From: charlie at istari.com (Charles Baer) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:54 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Besides Claire...other source for rear Bose amps? References: <001601c0c864$bbfbcca0$d97afea9@noone> Message-ID: <3ADE3B4E.69D8C4A9@istari.com> This stuff is all sitting at home on a shelf (all over the house, acutally) ever since the 911 was parked for a tensioner replacement. I can include a list of parts but they probably can't be found these days, only current production equivalents. ( I did see a Nak PA-300 on ebay a few days ago ) Ok, I just deleted a page of typing that nobody needs to hear, here's the short: I go crazy w/o any music in the car, or bad sounding audio. I expect to shove SOMETHING into the trunk and maybe in the dash and wherever else the spirit moves me. Sounds like several listers have similar pains so I'll post a post-install report next week ( if I do the job ). Charlie TM wrote: > > Charles, > I have no idea what 6" Yamaha subs are for a car audio application, > but your idea sounds interesting. I'd like to see what you actually > implement. > > I scrapped my whole Bose system- it sounded absolutely horrible. > It totally justified why Bose has been called "Blows- no highs, no > lows." I had to turn the treble to max just to make it sound like it > had some highs. Now, with Boston Acoustics speakers driven by an > a/d/s amp, it sounds quite nice, even though the dash-mounted tweeters > make it sound a bit too bright. I don't have adjustable crossovers > on my speakers, so I can't tone down the treble like you can with > the MB Quart competition crossover. > > If I wanted to make the system sound even better, I would have > gotten a/d/s components, because I'm not one to spend the time and > money fabbing custom door pods to hold a larger speaker. Otherwise, > I would have mounted some nice a/d/s 6.5" components in the front > doors and equivalent 6.5" coaxes in the back. > > Taka > _______________________________________________ > 200q20v mailing list > 200q20v@audifans.com > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v -- Anyone who cannot cope with Mathematics is not fully human. At best (he) is a tolerable sub-human who has learned to wear shoes, bathe, and not make messes in the house. - Lazarus Long From calvinlc at earthlink.net Wed Apr 18 20:34:31 2001 From: calvinlc at earthlink.net (Calvin & Diana Craig) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:54 2003 Subject: [200q20v] RE: Goof Off, Goo Be Gone, etc. In-Reply-To: <200104181600.MAA29867@www.audifans.com> Message-ID: There are actually two different products. One is Goo Be Gone, and the other is either Goo Off or Goof Off, I forget. In my experience the Goo(f) Off has been a little stronger than Goo Be Gone. --Calvin From omllenado at hotmail.com Thu Apr 19 03:06:06 2001 From: omllenado at hotmail.com (omllenado) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:54 2003 Subject: [200q20v] carbon on spark plugs Message-ID: I usually take out my audi's spark plug and spray it with a carb cleaner and brush the carbon deposits. my plugs Bosch super plugs W7DTC are 3 months old . What could be causing this?, sometimes after a cold start and rolling out from the parking lot I hear a popping sound from the exhaust and the engine would eventually die so I rev it to prevent stalling. I just changed to castrol synthetics and It seems to have tamed the engine noise to a certain degree. Oliver M. Llenado "Imagination is more important than knowledge, for knowledge is limited while imagination embraces the entire world."(Einstein) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.audifans.com/pipermail/200q20v/attachments/20010419/e6a3c23c/attachment.htm From fundsaloracing at yahoo.com Thu Apr 19 05:30:29 2001 From: fundsaloracing at yahoo.com (Fundsalo Racing) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:54 2003 Subject: [200q20v] carbon on spark plugs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010419113029.84746.qmail@web13602.mail.yahoo.com> W7DTC is not the correct plug for the 200q20v engine. Dunno if that is the prollum or not, but you should be running the correct plugs before additional troubleshooting efforts. F5PDOR or something simiar to that... Someone here will respond with the fer-sure correct number - no doubt. -glen OOOO --- omllenado wrote: > I usually take out my audi's spark plug and spray it > with a carb cleaner and brush the carbon deposits. > my plugs Bosch super plugs W7DTC are 3 months old . > > What could be causing this?, sometimes after a cold > start and rolling out from the parking lot I hear a > popping sound from the exhaust and the engine would > eventually die so I rev it to prevent stalling. > > I just changed to castrol synthetics and It seems to > have tamed the engine noise to a certain degree. > > Oliver M. Llenado > > "Imagination is more important than knowledge, for > knowledge is limited while imagination embraces the > entire world."(Einstein) > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From fundsaloracing at yahoo.com Thu Apr 19 05:42:35 2001 From: fundsaloracing at yahoo.com (Fundsalo Racing) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:54 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Besides Claire...other source for rear Bose amps? In-Reply-To: <028f01c0c847$ac84c730$85843604@D9569601> Message-ID: <20010419114235.34063.qmail@web13606.mail.yahoo.com> Are Jensen Tri-Axials no longer the state-of-the-art in speakers? -glen OOOO __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From C1J1Miller at aol.com Thu Apr 19 08:57:59 2001 From: C1J1Miller at aol.com (C1J1Miller@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:54 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Besides Claire...other source for rear Bose amps? Message-ID: <49.a147ffe.28102cc7@aol.com> In a message dated Thu, 19 Apr 2001 7:44:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Fundsalo Racing writes: << Are Jensen Tri-Axials no longer the state-of-the-art in speakers? -glen OOOO >> Funny you should ask; the Scirocco I recently purchased had a set of these big honking things installed in the rear deck... missing lots of the foam rubber for the speaker cones. I considered a full frame-up restoration, but considering their rarity, kept them in their unrestored state, in a safe place (for sale, btw, if you're a collector or audiophile). The grills remain in the deck, hiding a set of newer component speakers (as do the stock grills on the doors). Just need a place for those tweeters... Chris From pjrose at frontiernet.net Thu Apr 19 10:36:40 2001 From: pjrose at frontiernet.net (Phil Rose) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:54 2003 Subject: [200q20v] carbon on spark plugs In-Reply-To: <20010419113029.84746.qmail@web13602.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20010419113029.84746.qmail@web13602.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: AFAIR, Oliver does not drive a '91 200q. Why post here? Beats me. Oliver, it would seem more appropriate for you to direct 10V audi questions to the Qlist. Not that we're so busy, but it can get confusing. Phil At 4:30 AM -0700 4/19/01, Fundsalo Racing wrote: >W7DTC is not the correct plug for the 200q20v engine. >Dunno if that is the prollum or not, but you should be >running the correct plugs before additional >troubleshooting efforts. F5PDOR or something simiar >to that... Someone here will respond with the fer-sure >correct number - no doubt. > >-glen > >OOOO > > >--- omllenado wrote: >> I usually take out my audi's spark plug and spray it >> with a carb cleaner and brush the carbon deposits. >> my plugs Bosch super plugs W7DTC are 3 months old . >> >> What could be causing this?, sometimes after a cold >> start and rolling out from the parking lot I hear a >> popping sound from the exhaust and the engine would >> eventually die so I rev it to prevent stalling. >> >> I just changed to castrol synthetics and It seems to >> have tamed the engine noise to a certain degree. >> >> Oliver M. Llenado >> >> "Imagination is more important than knowledge, for >> knowledge is limited while imagination embraces the >> entire world."(Einstein) >> >> >> > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ >_______________________________________________ >200q20v mailing list >200q20v@audifans.com >http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v -- Phil Rose Rochester, NY mailto:pjrose@frontiernet.net From ken.gorman at honeywell.com Thu Apr 19 08:33:59 2001 From: ken.gorman at honeywell.com (Gorman, Ken (PA62)) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:54 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Crankcase breather hose replacement Message-ID: Listers, After inspecting my crankcase breather hose, I noticed it was soft and spongy and had deteriorated in a few places. I went to the local audi dealer and picked one up for about $100. While there, I also bought a turbo bypass valve for $40 - the one on the car is original and the car has 160K miles. Also, on occasion (once/week), the car stalls. The conventional list wisdom is to replace the valve. I went to Chris Miller's site for advice for the crankcase breather hose. On my previous 1990 Audi 200 turbo, the change was simple. Everything is easily accessible and the hose is held on by hose clamps. On my current 91 3B engine - things don't look so easy. How long would you estimate a job like this would take for someone with a lot of patience, but not much experience. Is this an hour long job I could tackle this weekend, or should I just go to a dealer who has seen this numerous times and could do it much quicker. Does anyone know the shop rate (in hours) for changing these 2 items? Thanks, Ken From C1J1Miller at aol.com Thu Apr 19 11:54:20 2001 From: C1J1Miller at aol.com (C1J1Miller@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:54 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Crankcase breather hose replacement Message-ID: <20.152d8aa9.2810561c@aol.com> It's not a difficult job, just takes a bit more than an hour. Biggest issue is access. The lower end of the hose comes right off (actually, cut it and clean it out so the gunk doesn't go back into the engine); for the end behind the engine (under the ISV), if you get your hands in there, it's not terrible. Scott Mockry's site has some pics of the layout of the hoses, etc. I suppose if you were to pull the ISV and clean it at the same time, you'd have better access. You should also change the vac line to the turbo bypass valve at the same time, as it likely is worn at the connection to the intake manifold (it crosses a bracket and wears), and is stiff or burned under the heat shield along the head. DIY, IMO... plan on 2 hours. Best access by just laying across the top of the engine. Chris Miller, Windham NH, c1j1miller@aol.com http://members.aol.com/c1j1miller/ Scott's page: http://www.sjmautotechnik.com From pwpetersen at earthlink.net Thu Apr 19 10:19:08 2001 From: pwpetersen at earthlink.net (Peter Petersen) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:54 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Radio Replacement Message-ID: I'm sure this topic gets covered every month or so but... could someone tell me where I can find the details for replacing the Bose cassette receiver with aftermarket unit. I'd like to keep it relatively inexpensive i.e. just the receiver. Feel free to e-mail me direct. Pete pwpetersen@earthlink.net From fundsaloracing at yahoo.com Thu Apr 19 10:14:49 2001 From: fundsaloracing at yahoo.com (Fundsalo Racing) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:54 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Radio Replacement In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010419161449.36465.qmail@web13602.mail.yahoo.com> In a word: Crutchfield http://www.crutchfield.com/ But... you really need an adapter to werk with the Bose amps and speakers. Crutchfield had 'em (BTDT, ~$70US) but others have since reported they are now NLA. I gots the P/Ns and stuff at home... I'm running a cheap Sony CD/AM/FM unit with the Audi/Bose adapter and it werks great! Was like $110US from CF. Got highs? BTW, any 'serious audiophiles' out there running tube pre-amps and/or amps in their 200q20v? -glen OOOO --- Peter Petersen wrote: > I'm sure this topic gets covered every month or so > but... could someone tell > me where I can find the details for replacing the > Bose cassette receiver > with aftermarket unit. I'd like to keep it > relatively inexpensive i.e. just > the receiver. > > Feel free to e-mail me direct. > > > Pete > > pwpetersen@earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > 200q20v mailing list > 200q20v@audifans.com > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From hah at srv.net Thu Apr 19 12:16:00 2001 From: hah at srv.net (hah@srv.net) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:54 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Radio Replacement Message-ID: <200104191716.f3JHGn128404@idscc05.onewest.net> Crutchfield has gotten a fair bit of money from me for car stuff - they keep sending me catalogs thinking I will buy more, not understanding that the cars are *done* unless something gets stolen again. >BTW, any 'serious audiophiles' out there running tube >pre-amps and/or amps in their 200q20v? I have an 8" tube subwoofer in each car, but I think that makes me very much a *non* 'serious audiophile'. And I'm fine with that, cars are too noisy for 'serious audio' anyway :) But just about anybody can do better than the stock Audi/Bose. Not that there is anything wrong with being satisfied with stock... Henry Harper - bunch of Klipsch & a NAK AV-10 at home, pretty lowbrow http://www.srv.net/~hah 1991 200 quattro, 112k, Polk, Kenwood, sub, all IC amps 1988 GTI 16v, 217k, itty bitty stock-size Pioneer(!), Kenwood, sub, not quite as many watts From c123666 at earthlink.net Thu Apr 19 11:26:38 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:54 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Radio Replacement References: <200104191716.f3JHGn128404@idscc05.onewest.net> Message-ID: <01c101c0c8f5$e5a0b070$59caf7a5@D9569601> We are happy enough with the stock bose system to live with it until something breaks. Then, if it is all integrated together the whole thing will be replaced. But, for now it sounds OK. The Alpine/ADS/McIntosh system in the 300D sounds much crisper, however. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: <200q20v@audifans.com> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 3:16 AM Subject: Re: Re: [200q20v] Radio Replacement > Crutchfield has gotten a fair bit of money from me for car stuff - they > keep sending me catalogs thinking I will buy more, not understanding that > the cars are *done* unless something gets stolen again. > > >BTW, any 'serious audiophiles' out there running tube > >pre-amps and/or amps in their 200q20v? > > I have an 8" tube subwoofer in each car, but I think that makes me very > much a *non* 'serious audiophile'. And I'm fine with that, cars are too > noisy for 'serious audio' anyway :) But just about anybody can do better > than the stock Audi/Bose. Not that there is anything wrong with being > satisfied with stock... > > Henry Harper - bunch of Klipsch & a NAK AV-10 at home, pretty lowbrow > http://www.srv.net/~hah > 1991 200 quattro, 112k, Polk, Kenwood, sub, all IC amps > 1988 GTI 16v, 217k, itty bitty stock-size Pioneer(!), Kenwood, sub, not > quite as many watts > _______________________________________________ > 200q20v mailing list > 200q20v@audifans.com > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v From CHemberger at stanadyne.com Thu Apr 19 15:05:45 2001 From: CHemberger at stanadyne.com (Hemberger, Chris) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:54 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Rear Diff D-Shaft Seal? Message-ID: <61EA0FFD5A40D41190CF0060943F508A183CFA@winexch1.stanadyne.com> Anybody have any experience in replacing the driveshaft/input seal on the rear differential? Mine appears to be leaking and just wanted to know what I'm in for if I opt to do myself? Special tools required? As usual - thanks in advance for any assistance. Chris Hemberger 200Q 20V Avant From b.m.benz at prodigy.net Thu Apr 19 13:42:54 2001 From: b.m.benz at prodigy.net (Bernie Benz) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:54 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Rear Diff D-Shaft Seal? In-Reply-To: <61EA0FFD5A40D41190CF0060943F508A183CFA@winexch1.stanadyne.com> Message-ID: Chris, A KISS corollary to my "Don't fix it if it ain't broke" philosphy is "Always try the simple fix first". I hate with a passion any and all oil leaks, and in 30+ years of fighting same, I've learned that most rotary shaft seal leakage can be eliminated/controled by the use of chemical seal restorer products, seal replacement being unnecessary. Add 1/2 can of engine seal restorer to the rear diff. and the other half to the manual tranny and drive for 1K miles, gunk everything clean and check again for leaks. A cost effective fix at $5. Bernie > From: "Hemberger, Chris" > Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 14:05:45 -0400 > To: "'200q20v@audifans.com'" <200q20v@audifans.com> > Subject: [200q20v] Rear Diff D-Shaft Seal? > > Anybody have any experience in replacing the driveshaft/input seal on the > rear differential? Mine appears to be leaking and just wanted to know what > I'm in for if I opt to do myself? Special tools required? As usual - > thanks in advance for any assistance. > > Chris Hemberger > 200Q 20V Avant > _______________________________________________ > 200q20v mailing list > 200q20v@audifans.com > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v From upchurch at cdicadwa.com Thu Apr 19 13:42:50 2001 From: upchurch at cdicadwa.com (Sean Upchurch) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:54 2003 Subject: [200q20v] leather care Message-ID: Hi all, I bought a gray 91 200q20v about a month ago and have been lurking on the list since then. Similar to Tom's bouncing speedo and stalling, my car had the same problems. Thanks to some friends (Pete Kunzler and Orin Eman), we replaced the BPV (and the connecting vacuum line) and soldered the circuit board for about 4 hours time. Anyway... My drivers seat has some surface cracking in it and I would like to use some leather treatment to extend the life of them. Anybody have any BTDT and suggestions of what to use. Thanks, Sean Upchurch 91 200q20v 87 4ktq (currently dead and waiting for replacement block to be bored) From fundsaloracing at yahoo.com Thu Apr 19 13:46:10 2001 From: fundsaloracing at yahoo.com (Fundsalo Racing) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:54 2003 Subject: [200q20v] leather care In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010419194610.21902.qmail@web13607.mail.yahoo.com> Connely (sp?) Hide Food and Lexol are two popular favorites. I've used the Connely Hide Food with good results. Made/marketed by the UK guys that do world-famous Connely leather intertiors (Rolls Royce, Jag and others?)? -glen OOOO __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From pck at gte.net Thu Apr 19 13:49:23 2001 From: pck at gte.net (Pete Kunzler) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:54 2003 Subject: [200q20v] leather care Message-ID: <012401c0c909$d655a6c0$52fd153f@petekunz> Sean, There's some Lexol cleaner and conditioner in the cabinet by the garage door... Geez, Pete Kunzler -----Original Message----- From: Fundsalo Racing To: Sean Upchurch ; 200q20V mailing list <200q20v@audifans.com> Date: Thursday, April 19, 2001 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [200q20v] leather care > >Connely (sp?) Hide Food and Lexol are two popular >favorites. I've used the Connely Hide Food with good >results. Made/marketed by the UK guys that do >world-famous Connely leather intertiors (Rolls Royce, >Jag and others?)? > >-glen > >OOOO > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ >_______________________________________________ >200q20v mailing list >200q20v@audifans.com >http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v From omllenado at hotmail.com Thu Apr 19 15:10:26 2001 From: omllenado at hotmail.com (omllenado) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:54 2003 Subject: [200q20v] carbon on spark plugs References: <20010419113029.84746.qmail@web13602.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I cant believe that the model of the car/engine/20V or 10V will be a factor to why a plug gets carbonized. yes its a 10V and i dont drive a 91 200q 20V, ...just a '89 200. sorry me. Oliver "Imagination is more important than knowledge, for knowledge is limited while imagination embraces the entire world."(Einstein) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Rose" To: "Fundsalo Racing" ; "omllenado" ; <200q20v@audifans.com> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 7:36 AM Subject: Re: [200q20v] carbon on spark plugs > AFAIR, Oliver does not drive a '91 200q. Why post here? Beats me. > Oliver, it would seem more appropriate for you to direct 10V audi > questions to the Qlist. Not that we're so busy, but it can get > confusing. > > Phil > > > At 4:30 AM -0700 4/19/01, Fundsalo Racing wrote: > >W7DTC is not the correct plug for the 200q20v engine. > >Dunno if that is the prollum or not, but you should be > >running the correct plugs before additional > >troubleshooting efforts. F5PDOR or something simiar > >to that... Someone here will respond with the fer-sure > >correct number - no doubt. > > > >-glen > > > >OOOO > > > > > >--- omllenado wrote: > >> I usually take out my audi's spark plug and spray it > >> with a carb cleaner and brush the carbon deposits. > >> my plugs Bosch super plugs W7DTC are 3 months old . > >> > >> What could be causing this?, sometimes after a cold > >> start and rolling out from the parking lot I hear a > >> popping sound from the exhaust and the engine would > >> eventually die so I rev it to prevent stalling. > >> > >> I just changed to castrol synthetics and It seems to > >> have tamed the engine noise to a certain degree. > >> > >> Oliver M. Llenado > >> > >> "Imagination is more important than knowledge, for > >> knowledge is limited while imagination embraces the > >> entire world."(Einstein) > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > >_______________________________________________ > >200q20v mailing list > >200q20v@audifans.com > >http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v > > -- > > Phil Rose > Rochester, NY > mailto:pjrose@frontiernet.net > _______________________________________________ > 200q20v mailing list > 200q20v@audifans.com > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v > From Gregg.Edwards at sycamorenet.com Thu Apr 19 17:49:04 2001 From: Gregg.Edwards at sycamorenet.com (Edwards, Gregg) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:54 2003 Subject: [200q20v] carbon on spark plugs Message-ID: <5B38C8A7BD6AD311A1BC009027B6C2240233963A@pine.sycamorenet.com> "You just have to use your imagination sometimes" (Edwards) -----Original Message----- From: omllenado [mailto:omllenado@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 4:10 PM To: Fundsalo Racing; 200q20v@audifans.com; Phil Rose Subject: Re: [200q20v] carbon on spark plugs I cant believe that the model of the car/engine/20V or 10V will be a factor to why a plug gets carbonized. yes its a 10V and i dont drive a 91 200q 20V, ...just a '89 200. sorry me. Oliver "Imagination is more important than knowledge, for knowledge is limited while imagination embraces the entire world."(Einstein) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Rose" To: "Fundsalo Racing" ; "omllenado" ; <200q20v@audifans.com> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 7:36 AM Subject: Re: [200q20v] carbon on spark plugs > AFAIR, Oliver does not drive a '91 200q. Why post here? Beats me. > Oliver, it would seem more appropriate for you to direct 10V audi > questions to the Qlist. Not that we're so busy, but it can get > confusing. > > Phil > > > At 4:30 AM -0700 4/19/01, Fundsalo Racing wrote: > >W7DTC is not the correct plug for the 200q20v engine. > >Dunno if that is the prollum or not, but you should be > >running the correct plugs before additional > >troubleshooting efforts. F5PDOR or something simiar > >to that... Someone here will respond with the fer-sure > >correct number - no doubt. > > > >-glen > > > >OOOO > > > > > >--- omllenado wrote: > >> I usually take out my audi's spark plug and spray it > >> with a carb cleaner and brush the carbon deposits. > >> my plugs Bosch super plugs W7DTC are 3 months old . > >> > >> What could be causing this?, sometimes after a cold > >> start and rolling out from the parking lot I hear a > >> popping sound from the exhaust and the engine would > >> eventually die so I rev it to prevent stalling. > >> > >> I just changed to castrol synthetics and It seems to > >> have tamed the engine noise to a certain degree. > >> > >> Oliver M. Llenado > >> > >> "Imagination is more important than knowledge, for > >> knowledge is limited while imagination embraces the > >> entire world."(Einstein) > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > >_______________________________________________ > >200q20v mailing list > >200q20v@audifans.com > >http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v > > -- > > Phil Rose > Rochester, NY > mailto:pjrose@frontiernet.net > _______________________________________________ > 200q20v mailing list > 200q20v@audifans.com > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v > _______________________________________________ 200q20v mailing list 200q20v@audifans.com http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v From pjrose at frontiernet.net Thu Apr 19 17:53:34 2001 From: pjrose at frontiernet.net (Phil Rose) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:54 2003 Subject: [200q20v] carbon on spark plugs In-Reply-To: References: <20010419113029.84746.qmail@web13602.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Asking about (and not specifying) a 10V engine is certainly a "factor" in the effort that is wasted to tell you that you seem to be using the _wrong_ type of plugs for a '91 200q 3B engine. As to "why a plug gets carbonized"--it was hard for me to understand (from what you wrote) just what your question was: carbonized plugs?, loud pop? stalling? These might be related symptoms...or not. Have you checked for any engine fault codes recently? If not, you should do so. When was the oxygen sensor replaced? What kind of driving do you do-- do you often drive on highway at decent speeds and RPMs? Sometimes just getting out and doing that will eliminate carbon build-up from short-distance, low-speed driving. Phil At 2:10 PM -0600 4/19/01, omllenado wrote: >I cant believe that the model of the car/engine/20V or 10V will be a factor >to why a plug gets carbonized. >yes its a 10V and i dont drive a 91 200q 20V, ...just a '89 200. sorry me. > > > > >Oliver > >"Imagination is more important than knowledge, for knowledge is limited >while imagination embraces the entire world."(Einstein) > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Phil Rose" >To: "Fundsalo Racing" ; "omllenado" >; <200q20v@audifans.com> >Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 7:36 AM >Subject: Re: [200q20v] carbon on spark plugs > > >> AFAIR, Oliver does not drive a '91 200q. Why post here? Beats me. >> Oliver, it would seem more appropriate for you to direct 10V audi >> questions to the Qlist. Not that we're so busy, but it can get >> confusing. >> >> Phil >> >> >> At 4:30 AM -0700 4/19/01, Fundsalo Racing wrote: >> >W7DTC is not the correct plug for the 200q20v engine. >> >Dunno if that is the prollum or not, but you should be >> >running the correct plugs before additional >> >troubleshooting efforts. F5PDOR or something simiar >> >to that... Someone here will respond with the fer-sure >> >correct number - no doubt. >> > >> >-glen >> > >> >OOOO >> > >> > >> >--- omllenado wrote: >> >> I usually take out my audi's spark plug and spray it >> >> with a carb cleaner and brush the carbon deposits. >> >> my plugs Bosch super plugs W7DTC are 3 months old . >> >> >> >> What could be causing this?, sometimes after a cold >> >> start and rolling out from the parking lot I hear a >> >> popping sound from the exhaust and the engine would >> >> eventually die so I rev it to prevent stalling. >> >> >> >> I just changed to castrol synthetics and It seems to >> >> have tamed the engine noise to a certain degree. >> >> >> >> Oliver M. Llenado >> >> >> >> "Imagination is more important than knowledge, for >> >> knowledge is limited while imagination embraces the >> >> entire world."(Einstein) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >__________________________________________________ >> >Do You Yahoo!? >> >Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices >> >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ >> >_______________________________________________ >> >200q20v mailing list >> >200q20v@audifans.com >> >http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v >> >> -- >> >> Phil Rose >> Rochester, NY >> mailto:pjrose@frontiernet.net >> _______________________________________________ >> 200q20v mailing list >> 200q20v@audifans.com >> http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v >> -- Phil Rose Rochester, NY mailto:pjrose@frontiernet.net From brett at brettd.dsl.speakeasy.net Thu Apr 19 16:56:52 2001 From: brett at brettd.dsl.speakeasy.net (Brett Dikeman) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:54 2003 Subject: [200q20v] leather care In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Lexol. I've been complemented many times on the condition and feel of the seats, though it helps that the previous owner did a great job of keeping the interior in good shape(I have no idea what he used, I suspect Hide Food from the buildup on the seams.) Do it while the car is warm. I just discovered that using a soft brush results in even more spectacular results(unless your leather is flaking or damaged, in which case, the brush will just rip everything.) With the lexol cleaner, don't be afraid to use some water to work up a good lather. Vacuum the seats -completely- to get any dirt/pebbles/what have you out of the seams; then go over the seat gently with a soft brush, and get a lather going. Wipe it all down with a damp cloth. Don't forget some of the most critical areas are the tops of the seats; front passenger seat tops closest to the window, and a good portion of the back seats(headrests, top leather surface of the back) get VERY dried out from the sun. After everything dries off, and preferably when the car is somewhat warm from being in the sun, go over all the leather with the conditioner. Slather it on, especially on the areas where it's really dried out. Let it sit, then come back later and buff the seats with a good dry towel. This works for me; experiment on your own and see what works for your leather, your climate, etc. Typically my seats are very grabby for a day or two after this, but quickly turn back to normal-feeling. Do the steering wheel with the cleaner, and really rub the stuff around, use a toothbrust to get the grime out of the stitches, etc. If you use a white cloth, you'll be amazed at home much grime comes off even with periodic cleanings. Use some conditioner, but wipe it off soon after, or you'll have an icky-sticky wheel for a day or two :-) Also, pay attention to the shift boot...it's possibly the most abused leather item in the car aside from the outside driver's seat bolster(pay extra attention to that guy too, especially if you have sport seats.) HTH! Brett On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Sean Upchurch wrote: > Hi all, > > I bought a gray 91 200q20v about a month ago and have been lurking on the > list since then. Similar to Tom's bouncing speedo and stalling, my car had > the same problems. Thanks to some friends (Pete Kunzler and Orin Eman), we > replaced the BPV (and the connecting vacuum line) and soldered the circuit > board for about 4 hours time. Anyway... > > My drivers seat has some surface cracking in it and I would like to use some > leather treatment to extend the life of them. Anybody have any BTDT and > suggestions of what to use. > > > Thanks, > Sean Upchurch > 91 200q20v > 87 4ktq (currently dead and waiting for replacement block to be bored) > > _______________________________________________ > 200q20v mailing list > 200q20v@audifans.com > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v > From brett at brettd.dsl.speakeasy.net Thu Apr 19 17:05:41 2001 From: brett at brettd.dsl.speakeasy.net (Brett Dikeman) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:54 2003 Subject: [200q20v] carbon on spark plugs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: 200q20v's will often experience a lot of running problems unless you use the exact plug specified by Audi. Since it's a 200q20v list, people assumed you had a 200q20v and the wrong set of plugs. Since that's not the case, I doubt the plugs are the source of your problem. More likely, you're running rich, or having ignition problems causing an incomplete burn. Are you sure the "popping" isn't knocking(predetonation)? Does the engine light come on during this popping? (by the way, this thread should probably get transferred over to the main qlist now) Brett On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, omllenado wrote: > I cant believe that the model of the car/engine/20V or 10V will be a factor > to why a plug gets carbonized. > yes its a 10V and i dont drive a 91 200q 20V, ...just a '89 200. sorry me. > > > > > Oliver > > "Imagination is more important than knowledge, for knowledge is limited > while imagination embraces the entire world."(Einstein) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Phil Rose" > > AFAIR, Oliver does not drive a '91 200q. Why post here? Beats me. > > Oliver, it would seem more appropriate for you to direct 10V audi > > questions to the Qlist. Not that we're so busy, but it can get > > confusing. > > At 4:30 AM -0700 4/19/01, Fundsalo Racing wrote: > > >W7DTC is not the correct plug for the 200q20v engine. > > >Dunno if that is the prollum or not, but you should be > > >running the correct plugs before additional > > >troubleshooting efforts. F5PDOR or something simiar > > >to that... Someone here will respond with the fer-sure > > >correct number - no doubt. > > > From nhv at citylinq.com Thu Apr 19 15:35:39 2001 From: nhv at citylinq.com (nhv@citylinq.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:54 2003 Subject: [200q20v] leather care Message-ID: <3adf5a2b.26a.0@citylinq.com> Hi Brett, quick question: Is Lexol easy to find. Where would you suggest getting it? Thanks, -Neil Seattle >Lexol. I've been complemented many times on the condition and feel of the >seats, though it helps that the previous owner did a great job of keeping >the interior in good shape(I have no idea what he used, I suspect Hide >Food from the buildup on the seams.) > >Do it while the car is warm. I just discovered that using a soft brush >results in even more spectacular results(unless your leather is flaking or >damaged, in which case, the brush will just rip everything.) > >With the lexol cleaner, don't be afraid to use some water to >work up a good lather. Vacuum the seats -completely- to get any >dirt/pebbles/what have you out of the seams; then go over the seat gently >with a soft brush, and get a lather going. Wipe it all down with a damp >cloth. > >Don't forget some of the most critical areas are the tops of the seats; >front passenger seat tops closest to the window, and a good portion of the >back seats(headrests, top leather surface of the back) get VERY dried out >from the sun. > >After everything dries off, and preferably when the car is somewhat warm >from being in the sun, go over all the leather with the conditioner. >Slather it on, especially on the areas where it's really dried out. Let >it sit, then come back later and buff the seats with a good dry towel. >This works for me; experiment on your own and see what works for your >leather, your climate, etc. Typically my seats are very grabby for a day >or two after this, but quickly turn back to normal-feeling. > >Do the steering wheel with the cleaner, and really rub the stuff around, >use a toothbrust to get the grime out of the stitches, etc. >If you use a white cloth, you'll be amazed at home much grime comes off >even with periodic cleanings. Use some conditioner, but wipe it >off soon after, or you'll have an icky-sticky wheel for a day or two :-) > >Also, pay attention to the shift boot...it's possibly the most abused >leather item in the car aside from the outside driver's seat bolster(pay >extra attention to that guy too, especially if you have sport seats.) > >HTH! > >Brett > >On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Sean Upchurch wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I bought a gray 91 200q20v about a month ago and have been lurking on the >> list since then. Similar to Tom's bouncing speedo and stalling, my car had >> the same problems. Thanks to some friends (Pete Kunzler and Orin Eman), we >> replaced the BPV (and the connecting vacuum line) and soldered the circuit >> board for about 4 hours time. Anyway... >> >> My drivers seat has some surface cracking in it and I would like to use some >> leather treatment to extend the life of them. Anybody have any BTDT and >> suggestions of what to use. >> >> >> Thanks, >> Sean Upchurch >> 91 200q20v >> 87 4ktq (currently dead and waiting for replacement block to be bored) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 200q20v mailing list >> 200q20v@audifans.com >> http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v >> > > >_______________________________________________ >200q20v mailing list >200q20v@audifans.com >http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v > From t44tq at mindspring.com Thu Apr 19 21:11:00 2001 From: t44tq at mindspring.com (TM) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:54 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Radio Replacement In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003101c0c92e$6120ec00$d97afea9@noone> Pete, Please check the archives just a month or two back, we have covered this at least twice in the past few months. To keep it short- unless you can find appropriate Bose line-level converters, this is not possible. Even if you do, it will sound like crap, so you're better off scrapping the whole thing and replacing everything. It can be done for fairly cheap if you do the work yourself. Trust me, even some pretty low-end stuff sounds better than the Bose system. Taka -----Original Message----- From: 200q20v-admin@audifans.com [mailto:200q20v-admin@audifans.com]On Behalf Of Peter Petersen Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 11:19 AM To: 200Q20V Subject: [200q20v] Radio Replacement I'm sure this topic gets covered every month or so but... could someone tell me where I can find the details for replacing the Bose cassette receiver with aftermarket unit. I'd like to keep it relatively inexpensive i.e. just the receiver. Feel free to e-mail me direct. Pete pwpetersen@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ 200q20v mailing list 200q20v@audifans.com http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v From C1J1Miller at aol.com Thu Apr 19 22:07:22 2001 From: C1J1Miller at aol.com (C1J1Miller@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:54 2003 Subject: [200q20v] carbon on spark plugs Message-ID: <3e.a6c03ee.2810e5ca@aol.com> In a message dated 4/19/01 4:13:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, omllenado@hotmail.com writes: > I cant believe that the model of the car/engine/20V or 10V will be a factor > to why a plug gets carbonized. > yes its a 10V and i dont drive a 91 200q 20V, ...just a '89 200. sorry me. > > > > > Oliver Well, * totally different injection system (CIS versus Motronic electrically activated injectors); * centrally located spark plug surrounded by 4 valves, versus side plug; * higher static compression; * higher stock boost levels; etc. And, the 20vt calls for an entirely different spark plug. Chris From pck at gte.net Thu Apr 19 23:28:56 2001 From: pck at gte.net (Pete Kunzler) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:55 2003 Subject: [200q20v] (no subject) Message-ID: <382026701.987733736674.JavaMail.root@web112-wra.mail.com> From linust at mindspring.com Fri Apr 20 01:10:15 2001 From: linust at mindspring.com (Linus Toy) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:55 2003 Subject: [200q20v] leather care In-Reply-To: <3adf5a2b.26a.0@citylinq.com> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20010420000425.020e6e38@mail.mindspring.com> At 02:35 PM 4/19/2001 -0800, nhv@citylinq.com wrote: >Hi Brett, quick question: >Is Lexol easy to find. Where would you suggest getting it? >Thanks, >-Neil >Seattle Neil-- In addition to car parts stores, you'll also find Lexol at most higher-end furniture shops--afraid the shop I used to go to (Del Teet, Bellevue) is no longer around) but it's a reasonably common product. I've seen several references on the list to Connolly Hide Food--not sure about the leather used in Jags or in Audis--just beware that leather is tanned (prepared) using one of two processes (vegetable vs. chrome-salts) and the care and feeding of the leather later on differs based on the tanning process originally used--use the wrong stuff, and you'll drastically shorten the life of your leather. FWIW, I've been using Lexol on my Audi seats since I bought the car 8 yrs ago. --LDT *--------------------------------------------------------------------* * Linus Toy Insanity is doing the same thing * * Mercer Island, WA you've always done and expecting * * linust@mindspring.com different results * * - Roger Milliken * *--------------------------------------------------------------------* From fundsaloracing at yahoo.com Fri Apr 20 06:02:52 2001 From: fundsaloracing at yahoo.com (Fundsalo Racing) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:55 2003 Subject: [200q20v] carbon on spark plugs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010420120252.53739.qmail@web13605.mail.yahoo.com> OK, so we know Oliver is using the correct plug in the wrong car.... :) We can now offer some likely reasons for the carbon buildup, in order of most likely: 1) Oil burning due to worn valve-guides and/or seals 2) Oil burning due to worn/broken piston rings 3) Rich mixture due to FI, sensor and/or F/TCU fault(s) 4) Extended operation at very low engine speeds 5) A combination of the above is also possible -glen OOOO --- omllenado wrote: > I cant believe that the model of the car/engine/20V > or 10V will be a factor > to why a plug gets carbonized. > yes its a 10V and i dont drive a 91 200q 20V, > ...just a '89 200. sorry me. > > > > > Oliver __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From b.m.benz at prodigy.net Fri Apr 20 07:40:51 2001 From: b.m.benz at prodigy.net (Bernie Benz) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:55 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Re: [audi20v] Re: SMOKE SHOW...! Further thoughts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This phenomen of excessive crankcase "emissions" is the likely and apparently the only plausable cause of the oil contamination of the Mass Air Sensor as has been reported and discussed over past years, if not on this list, certainly on the turbo 5K and 200-20V. Bernie Bernie's "SMOKE SHOW" theory goes like this: 1. Oil level over full. 2. Upgrade, oil concentrated toward rear of pan. 3. Right hand turn, oil concentrated on left, driver's side of pan. 4. High revs, max. crank oil churning in rear of pan. 5. Throttle wide open, Crankcase breather system venting max oil vapor/liquid and blowby to intake ahead of throttle. (No smoke yet.) 6. Upshift, Sudden throttle closure, high vacuum on idle crankcase breather restricted hose to intake manifold. Fuel and air supplys shut down, engine burnsrich oil vapor/liquid sucked into manifold. SMOKE SHOW! How to avoid "SMOKE SHOW". 1. Don't turn right. 2. Don't go up hill. 3. Don't overfill oil level. 4. Find the minimum oil level that will not starve the oil pump in a max G turn, R or L, where is the oil pickup point in these engines? 5. Consider adding a windage tray in the crank case as is used in the S4/6. Will this help, ask Brandon, or S-car trackers. Bernie > From: Chris Woodward > Reply-To: Chris Woodward > Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 15:36:58 -0400 > To: "Audi 20V" > Subject: [audi20v] Re: SMOKE SHOW...! (No Big Bang) > > Mine was.... > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Bernie Benz [mailto:b.m.benz@prodigy.net] >> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 4:43 PM >> To: Audi 20V >> Subject: [audi20v] Re: SMOKE SHOW...! (No Big Bang) >> >> >> Was it a right hand turn? >> >> Bernie >> >>> From: Paul Royal >>> Reply-To: Paul Royal >>> Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 14:12:27 -0400 >>> To: "Audi 20V" >>> Subject: [audi20v] SMOKE SHOW...! (No Big Bang) >>> >>> >>> Just wondering if any of you have witnessed similar to the following. >>> >>> Just back from NHIS instructor's day at the track April >> 16th. I'm working a >>> corner and keeping one eye on my corner and another on my >> lovely wife who >>> rounds turn 3 and heads up the back hill in 2nd gear winding >> it out as she >>> goe's. About to crest the hill she shifts to third and a >> huge plume of >>> smoke bails from the tailpipe of her 20v. I am aghast. I >> think I see a >>> blown motor, a floated valve or some such ugly thing about >> to bring our day >>> to an untimely end. She does the right thing, checks the >> gauges, and then >>> pulls off to a safe spot. The car is running fine. She >> pulls back on and >>> drives to the pits. Checks it out. Everything appears to >> be A-OK. No more >>> smoke, everything still in the place it's supposed to be in. >> When I got the >>> chance I asked her if she truly was winding it out in >> second. Thrown, she >>> can't remember. I assume she was. >>> >>> Now it's my turn. First laps of the year, rusty as hell, >> Peter Schulz >>> riding shot gun. A few laps in I hammer my own 20v in >> second gear up the >>> back hill and I create my own plume de smoke that is so >> impressive, so >>> large, and so thick, it looks like someone has fired up the plutonium >>> reactor at Seabrook only to have something go terribly, >> terribly wrong. >>> This cloud is so thick and so disturbingly opaque in nature, >> that I am black >>> flagged and while Peter is peering into the rear view mirror >> looking for >>> used rods and bearings, I'm checking my gauges and heart >> valves. I meander >>> back to the pits, get Peter to clock me firmly in the chest >> to restart my >>> heart, check things out and I too soldier on. Everything OK. >>> >>> Bonnie and I quickly institute a "No Second Gear Rule" and >> the cars run >>> flawlessly and smokelessly (new word, start using it) for >> the remainder of >>> the event. >>> >>> Here's the theory, taking the car up to about 6500-7000 >> RPMs, and then >>> shifting to third created enough vacuum that some Mobil 1 >> was sucked back >>> directly into the engine. Thoughts? >>> >>> Both cars were just a hair over the fill mark on oil and >> both of us had just >>> completed a nearly 180 degree hairpin turn up onto a 10-15% >> grade hill. The >>> smoke shows occurred with both cars in precisely the same >> place under nearly >>> identical circumstances and conditions. >>> >>> 12RoT >>> >>> >>> --- >>> You are currently subscribed to audi20v as: b.m.benz@prodigy.net >>> To unsubscribe send a blank email to >> leave-audi20v-39162D@rennlist.org >> >> >> --- >> You are currently subscribed to audi20v as: chris.woodward@wcom.com >> To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-audi20v-39162D@rennlist.org >> > > --- > You are currently subscribed to audi20v as: b.m.benz@prodigy.net > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-audi20v-39162D@rennlist.org From b.m.benz at prodigy.net Fri Apr 20 08:08:42 2001 From: b.m.benz at prodigy.net (Bernie Benz) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:55 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Rear Diff D-Shaft Seal? In-Reply-To: <61EA0FFD5A40D41190CF0060943F508A183D05@winexch1.stanadyne.com> Message-ID: Apparently, there two types. One for engine oil, and one for ATF. I first discovered the effectiveness of this treatment on auto trannys, but you want to use the engine/lube oil treatment. Bernie > From: "Hemberger, Chris" > Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 08:30:53 -0400 > To: "'Bernie Benz'" > Subject: RE: [200q20v] Rear Diff D-Shaft Seal? > > Ahhh - the 'ol fix-it-in-a-can'.. I've considered that & in fact I will > probably try it. As you say, it's cheap enough and there is little lost if > no results. Are there different grades/types of this additive for differing > applications? In other words, are there treatments for engines vs. > gearboxes?.. Thanks for the input. ..and I too despise ANY fluid leaks. > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bernie Benz [mailto:b.m.benz@prodigy.net] > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 4:43 PM > To: Hemberger, Chris > Cc: 200q20V mailing list > Subject: Re: [200q20v] Rear Diff D-Shaft Seal? > > > Chris, > > A KISS corollary to my "Don't fix it if it ain't broke" philosphy is "Always > try the simple fix first". I hate with a passion any and all oil leaks, and > in 30+ years of fighting same, I've learned that most rotary shaft seal > leakage can be eliminated/controled by the use of chemical seal restorer > products, seal replacement being unnecessary. > > Add 1/2 can of engine seal restorer to the rear diff. and the other half to > the manual tranny and drive for 1K miles, gunk everything clean and check > again for leaks. A cost effective fix at $5. > > Bernie > >> From: "Hemberger, Chris" >> Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 14:05:45 -0400 >> To: "'200q20v@audifans.com'" <200q20v@audifans.com> >> Subject: [200q20v] Rear Diff D-Shaft Seal? >> >> Anybody have any experience in replacing the driveshaft/input seal on the >> rear differential? Mine appears to be leaking and just wanted to know > what >> I'm in for if I opt to do myself? Special tools required? As usual - >> thanks in advance for any assistance. >> >> Chris Hemberger >> 200Q 20V Avant >> _______________________________________________ >> 200q20v mailing list >> 200q20v@audifans.com >> http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v From maxesales at home.com Fri Apr 20 10:58:14 2001 From: maxesales at home.com (Max Conover) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:55 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Trans OR c. bearing noise ? Message-ID: <3AE06AA5.EE006B5E@home.com> Listers, Any experience with this one. - what sounds like a loud road noise at low speeds (perhaps I just can not hear it at higher speeds), but it goes away once I put the clutch in. So is it an early trans failure ? or the center bearing ? It has become progressively louder. Yeah, I know it is hard to diagnose over the web, but thought that it was worth a shot. 91 200 Avant 78K Thanks, Max From malth at umich.edu Fri Apr 20 11:39:03 2001 From: malth at umich.edu (Chris Covington) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:55 2003 Subject: [200q20v] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <382026701.987733736674.JavaMail.root@web112-wra.mail.com> Message-ID: Uh oh, are we going to get some GM climate control systems now too? Chris '91 2cq On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Pete Kunzler wrote: > >From the speed vision website, > Pete > > Audi Adds OnStar > Apparently, if it's good enough for Batman it's good enough for Audi. Audi > of America, the German manufacturer's US operation, has decided to add > General Motors' OnStar customer-assistance and concierge service to its > vehicles. Officially, the service will be called "Audi Telematics by > OnStar," and it will be introduced on the redesigned A4, which is due to go > on sale here later this year. (Telematics is the industry name for the > increasing array of in-vehicle services available via satellite and other > wireless means, including stock quotes, EMail, navigation assistance, > concierge services, roadside assistance and various other functions.) — Ed > Jacobs > > > > _______________________________________________ > 200q20v mailing list > 200q20v@audifans.com > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v > From copley at snet.net Fri Apr 20 11:53:28 2001 From: copley at snet.net (copley one) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:55 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Big Brother Message-ID: <3AE04D67.D9EDBF39@snet.net> Someone posted somewhere about Audi adding Onstar to U.S. vehicles. That's the worst news I've heard all week - I'm not sure how excited the dealers will be to service vehicles that have recent DE or other track time. For example, a service writer may have differing opinions on whether or not I should have driven most of the NHIS road course in 3rd gear (occasionally bumping that 99 mph limiter...) Too much damn data. Looks like I can never buy a new car, either that or Chris Miller will have to figure out a way to disable the whole thing. Paul K From pwaterloo at compuserve.com Fri Apr 20 10:55:02 2001 From: pwaterloo at compuserve.com (Paul Waterloo) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:55 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Big Brother References: <3AE04D67.D9EDBF39@snet.net> Message-ID: <010a01c0c9a9$e17b8b00$cdfbb318@elmhst1.il.home.com> Personally, I'm waiting for Chris to buy his next car before I buy the same kind.....too much knowledge and a great web site! The collective is a much better way to own/fix a car then doing it yourself... :-) _____________________________________________________ Paul Waterloo Applied Energy Services Phone 708-524-9464 Fax 708-524-0079 Voicemail/pager 888-962-7304 pwaterloo@compuserve.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "copley one" To: "200q20V mailing list" <200q20v@audifans.com>; Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 9:53 AM Subject: [200q20v] Big Brother > > Someone posted somewhere about Audi adding Onstar to U.S. vehicles. > > That's the worst news I've heard all week - I'm not sure how excited the > dealers will be to service vehicles that have recent DE or other track > time. For example, a service writer may have differing opinions on > whether or not I should have driven most of the NHIS road course in 3rd > gear (occasionally bumping that 99 mph limiter...) > > Too much damn data. Looks like I can never buy a new car, either that or > Chris Miller will have to figure out a way to disable the whole thing. > > Paul K > > > _______________________________________________ > 200q20v mailing list > 200q20v@audifans.com > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v From malth at umich.edu Fri Apr 20 11:59:56 2001 From: malth at umich.edu (Chris Covington) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:55 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Big Brother In-Reply-To: <3AE04D67.D9EDBF39@snet.net> Message-ID: Maybe it's just an option, one not to choose. I don't think they're constantly monitoring everything anyway - wayy too much data. Do Corvettes have that? If so, or if there is some other "performance" GM car with it, I'm sure there's a disable option. Chris '91 2cq On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, copley one wrote: > Someone posted somewhere about Audi adding Onstar to U.S. vehicles. > > That's the worst news I've heard all week - I'm not sure how excited the > dealers will be to service vehicles that have recent DE or other track > time. For example, a service writer may have differing opinions on > whether or not I should have driven most of the NHIS road course in 3rd > gear (occasionally bumping that 99 mph limiter...) > > Too much damn data. Looks like I can never buy a new car, either that or > Chris Miller will have to figure out a way to disable the whole thing. > > Paul K > > > _______________________________________________ > 200q20v mailing list > 200q20v@audifans.com > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v > From eygesfam at pacbell.net Fri Apr 20 09:05:17 2001 From: eygesfam at pacbell.net (eygesfam@pacbell.net) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:55 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Re: [s-cars] Big Brother References: <3AE04D67.D9EDBF39@snet.net> Message-ID: <3AE0502D.8EB26B64@pacbell.net> Paul, I'm with you on this all the way! I am having broblems with the drive by wire systems in most new cars as well that essentially separates you from the throttle and then adjusts your input as deemed necessary! No new cars for me unless you can eliminate this numbing of the senses... Perry_________ 95 S6 Avant 93 S4 Saloon 85 Sport Quattro(sold but not gone yet) 83 urQ track car & trailer (for sale) copley one wrote: > Someone posted somewhere about Audi adding Onstar to U.S. vehicles. > > That's the worst news I've heard all week - I'm not sure how excited the > dealers will be to service vehicles that have recent DE or other track > time. For example, a service writer may have differing opinions on > whether or not I should have driven most of the NHIS road course in 3rd > gear (occasionally bumping that 99 mph limiter...) > > Too much damn data. Looks like I can never buy a new car, either that or > Chris Miller will have to figure out a way to disable the whole thing. > > Paul K > > To unsubscribe, email: s-car-list-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From knotnook at traverse.com Fri Apr 20 12:41:08 2001 From: knotnook at traverse.com (Kneale Brownson) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:55 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Big Brother In-Reply-To: <3AE04D67.D9EDBF39@snet.net> Message-ID: <4.3.1.2.20010420113816.00b246a0@traverse.com> In the Cadillac applications, according to my friends who drive them, the OnStar service is something you pay for monthly or some other yearly interval. You can call 'em up and ask for directions and they can telll you where you are and how to get to the address you seek. But, again, it's for a monthly fee, just like your connection to the WWW. If you don't want it, you don't pay for it and it's not available to you. At 10:53 AM 04/20/2001 -0400, copley one wrote: >Someone posted somewhere about Audi adding Onstar to U.S. vehicles. > >That's the worst news I've heard all week - I'm not sure how excited the >dealers will be to service vehicles that have recent DE or other track >time. For example, a service writer may have differing opinions on >whether or not I should have driven most of the NHIS road course in 3rd >gear (occasionally bumping that 99 mph limiter...) > >Too much damn data. Looks like I can never buy a new car, either that or >Chris Miller will have to figure out a way to disable the whole thing. > >Paul K > > >_______________________________________________ >200q20v mailing list >200q20v@audifans.com >http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v > From fundsaloracing at yahoo.com Fri Apr 20 09:48:17 2001 From: fundsaloracing at yahoo.com (Fundsalo Racing) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:55 2003 Subject: [200q20v] (no subject) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010420154817.63819.qmail@web13608.mail.yahoo.com> That's a joke. Right...? -glen OOOO --- Chris Covington wrote: > Uh oh, are we going to get some GM climate control > systems now too? > > Chris > '91 2cq __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From peschulz at cisco.com Fri Apr 20 12:52:55 2001 From: peschulz at cisco.com (Peter Schulz) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:55 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Fwd: [audi20v] 200TQW for sale Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010420115245.032a5c80@tub.cisco.com> >From: Paul Royal >To: "Audi 20V" >Subject: [audi20v] 200TQW for sale >Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 10:35:41 -0400 >X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) >List-Unsubscribe: >Reply-To: Paul Royal > >I know this car... and, if I had the cash... it would be ours. >If interested, I may be able to help you. > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=581602791& >r=0&t=0 > >--- >You are currently subscribed to audi20v as: peschulz@cisco.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-audi20v-39500G@rennlist.org Peter C. Schulz peschulz@cisco.com Quality Systems Engineer/SSE http://www.cisco.com Customer Contact Business Unit (CCBU) Direct: 978.275.7772 Cisco Systems, Inc. Fax: 978.275.5299 900 Chelmsford Street Pager: 800.365.4578 Lowell, MA 01851 USA From brett at brettd.dsl.speakeasy.net Fri Apr 20 12:40:17 2001 From: brett at brettd.dsl.speakeasy.net (Brett Dikeman) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:55 2003 Subject: [200q20v] (no subject) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, Chris Covington wrote: > Uh oh, are we going to get some GM climate control systems now too? Next time you're in a 80's caddilac, take a close look at the climate control. It'll look very familiar. Brett From brett at brettd.dsl.speakeasy.net Fri Apr 20 12:58:02 2001 From: brett at brettd.dsl.speakeasy.net (Brett Dikeman) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:55 2003 Subject: [200q20v] OH brother In-Reply-To: <3AE04D67.D9EDBF39@snet.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, copley one wrote: > Someone posted somewhere about Audi adding Onstar to U.S. vehicles. > > That's the worst news I've heard all week - I'm not sure how excited the > dealers will be to service vehicles that have recent DE or other track > time. For example, a service writer may have differing opinions on > whether or not I should have driven most of the NHIS road course in 3rd > gear (occasionally bumping that 99 mph limiter...) > > Too much damn data. Looks like I can never buy a new car, either that or > Chris Miller will have to figure out a way to disable the whole thing. I think you're combining OnStar, "flight recorders" in GM vehicles, and fleet engine recorders. For example, Corvettes, the first to get such a recorder, record about 30 seconds(maybe it's a few minutes, don't remember) in a rolling fashion. The unit lacks the memory capacity to record any further back. As new data comes in, old data is thrown out to make room, so to speak. The recorder is ONLY for accident reconstruction. It doesn't get beamed by secret space aliens off your car using the ezpass transponder. Engine recorders DO record long-term usage data to determined abuse of the engine and when the vehicle should be serviced. They're used by companies like Fedex that have hundreds of thousands of vehicles. Do you drive a fedex truck? Nope. OnStar allows you to push a button and get directions. It is simply a limited capability, monopolized cell phone whose mother dresses him funny. It's got a GPS unit so they know where you are, and a little bit of logic that handles situations where the airbags go off, etc. The three are, as far as I know, unlinked, unrelated systems that sometimes aren't even installed in the same vehicle(ie, corporate versus individually owned vehicle. Onstar is usually an option, or can be deleted from an order; the GM flight recorder module could probably be removed, unless there's some sort of immobilizer that requires it be installed.) I find myself reminding people who come up with bizzare conspiracies about data collection/spying, that the government is about the most screwed up organization from an data management perspective. You have to fill out half a dozen forms when you move, because none of the organizations share information. Take a trip to your local DMV and try and then try to tell me with a straight face that "th' gov'ment" is secretly coordinating information from different sources to spy on the public. The government spook agencies have numerously screwed up("what nuclear tests?") despite billions of dollars per satellite. The government isn't alone; anyone who has worked in a large corporation knows that sometimes even the most basic stuff, like a company phone directory, is completely screwed up. Next thing you know, we're going to be hearing about "precious bodily fluids", communists...and don't forget flouride! Brett (who is amazed nobody has bitched about SpeedPass/Ez-go tags in a while, especially since CT just installed a set of antenna modules above the roadway at 1000 foot intervals right before, and past, a truck weighing station on I-84, westbound; can't miss 'em.) From Jeff.Bernstein at pneumaticscale.com Fri Apr 20 13:11:11 2001 From: Jeff.Bernstein at pneumaticscale.com (Jeff.Bernstein@pneumaticscale.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:55 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Trans OR c. bearing noise ? Message-ID: Max, You are correct that it is extremely hard to diagnose a noise over the web. I would however try to pull the drive shaft off at both the transmission and the rear differential and pack with fresh bearing grease. I don't remember which end was worse. I believe the exhaust runs close to one of them. This procedure is fairly easy to do and costs almost nothing. Certainly worth doing the easy and cheap things before anything else. Good preventive maintenance at least. Jeff From pwpetersen at earthlink.net Fri Apr 20 12:39:43 2001 From: pwpetersen at earthlink.net (Peter Petersen) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:55 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Trans OR c. bearing noise ? Message-ID: Max: Is the noise there in all gears? My car makes a noise in 5th gear that sounds like water running thru a constricted pipe. Its hard to hear at higher speeds but it is there. I changed fluid in the transaxel and improved somewhat but sooner or later it will need a rebuild. Does it shift well into all gears? Pete From Steadi at swbell.net Fri Apr 20 13:24:32 2001 From: Steadi at swbell.net (Eric Fletcher S.O.C.) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:55 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Re: [s-cars] Big Brother In-Reply-To: <3AE0502D.8EB26B64@pacbell.net> Message-ID: > I'm with you on this all the way! > I am having broblems with the drive by wire > systems in most new cars as well that essentially > separates you from the throttle and then adjusts > your input as deemed necessary! > No new cars for me unless you can eliminate this > numbing of the senses... You haven't driven the new S4 much then, the Drive by wire is transparent, you can't tell that your not mechanically connected to the throttle body. DBW is here to stay, more and more new cars are going to be using it. Now the Onstar... I'll be skipping that option. From malth at umich.edu Fri Apr 20 15:42:59 2001 From: malth at umich.edu (Chris Covington) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:55 2003 Subject: [200q20v] (no subject) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I know ;) Chris '91 2cq On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, Brett Dikeman wrote: > > Uh oh, are we going to get some GM climate control systems now too? > > Next time you're in a 80's caddilac, take a close look at the climate > control. > > It'll look very familiar. > > Brett From pck at gte.net Fri Apr 20 13:00:42 2001 From: pck at gte.net (Pete Kunzler) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:55 2003 Subject: [200q20v] ON star Message-ID: <00ba01c0c9cc$35036460$47ff153f@petekunz> No really, it's not a joke. Here is the URL, http://www.speedvision.com/pub/articles/automotive/02inews/010416a.html Skim past the article on the 9 millionth mini van down to the 5th article. Pete -----Original Message----- From: Fundsalo Racing To: Chris Covington ; Pete Kunzler Cc: northwest enthusiasts ; '200q20v@audifans.com' <200q20v@audifans.com> Date: Friday, April 20, 2001 8:50 AM Subject: Re: [200q20v] (no subject) > >That's a joke. Right...? > >-glen > >OOOO > From fundsaloracing at yahoo.com Fri Apr 20 13:49:14 2001 From: fundsaloracing at yahoo.com (Fundsalo Racing) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:55 2003 Subject: [200q20v] ON star In-Reply-To: <00ba01c0c9cc$35036460$47ff153f@petekunz> Message-ID: <20010420194914.77113.qmail@web13601.mail.yahoo.com> But our cars _already_ have a GM climate control - that's what makes the statement a joke! -glen OOOO --- Pete Kunzler wrote: > No really, it's not a joke. > > Here is the URL, > http://www.speedvision.com/pub/articles/automotive/02inews/010416a.html > > Skim past the article on the 9 millionth mini van > down to the 5th article. > > Pete > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fundsalo Racing > To: Chris Covington ; Pete Kunzler > > Cc: northwest enthusiasts > ; '200q20v@audifans.com' > <200q20v@audifans.com> > Date: Friday, April 20, 2001 8:50 AM > Subject: Re: [200q20v] (no subject) > > > > > >That's a joke. Right...? > > > >-glen > > > >OOOO > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From MartinGG at aetna.com Fri Apr 20 19:36:14 2001 From: MartinGG at aetna.com (Martin, Gary G) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:55 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Noise question Message-ID: I'm enjoying my 91 200.20v Avant more and more, as I'm getting things sorted out, especially getting rid of the squeak from the drivers side front and rear doors. New sound question. When the car is cold, at startup I hear a clicking or rattling sound coming from the engine compartment. Steady cadence that changes with engine speed. Goes away when warm. Car has 92k miles. Any ideas? TIA Gary 91 200TQA 94 UrS4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'll be submitting my notes to Chris for the archives as soon as I get a few minutes to sit down with paintbrush. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From ekellock at juno.com Fri Apr 20 20:25:28 2001 From: ekellock at juno.com (Edward J Kellock) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:55 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Big Brother Message-ID: <20010420.193220.-919347.3.ekellock@juno.com> I've got to chime in here... It's been two years since I owned a 200q20v, but I'll have one again. Too much good info and help here not to. Plus, the cars are an absolute blast! I'll be looking for another wagon, after my probation period ends. In the interim, I've satisfied my turbo urge with an 89 200q mc2 which is quite nice too. I see the new models and appreciate their worth and advanced development, but I just can't bring myself to pay that much for a car that... well, I won't have to be very involved with. I like working on my car. A new car would only be wax and floor mats. Anyway, thanks Chris and all. Ed Colorado Springs On Fri, 20 Apr 2001 09:55:02 -0500 "Paul Waterloo" writes: > Personally, I'm waiting for Chris to buy his next car before I buy > the same > kind.....too much knowledge and a great web site! The collective is > a much > better way to own/fix a car then doing it yourself... :-) > _____________________________________________________ > Paul Waterloo > Applied Energy Services > Phone 708-524-9464 > Fax 708-524-0079 > Voicemail/pager 888-962-7304 > pwaterloo@compuserve.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "copley one" > To: "200q20V mailing list" <200q20v@audifans.com>; > > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 9:53 AM > Subject: [200q20v] Big Brother > > > > > > Someone posted somewhere about Audi adding Onstar to U.S. > vehicles. > > > > That's the worst news I've heard all week - I'm not sure how > excited the > > dealers will be to service vehicles that have recent DE or other > track > > time. For example, a service writer may have differing opinions > on > > whether or not I should have driven most of the NHIS road course > in 3rd > > gear (occasionally bumping that 99 mph limiter...) > > > > Too much damn data. Looks like I can never buy a new car, either > that or > > Chris Miller will have to figure out a way to disable the whole > thing. > > > > Paul K > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > 200q20v mailing list > > 200q20v@audifans.com > > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v > > _______________________________________________ > 200q20v mailing list > 200q20v@audifans.com > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From Vztante at aol.com Sat Apr 21 14:18:15 2001 From: Vztante at aol.com (Vztante@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:55 2003 Subject: [200q20v] bar: from .1 to 1.8...is this normal? Message-ID: Hey listers, My display shows the bar as low as .1 JP told me that a low of .3 is typical in his experience. What are you all getting, and what difference would it make performance-wise if mine dips lower than others? It tops out at 1.8. This is with Ned Ritchie's stage 3. TIA, Mitch Frey '00 A6 2.7t '91 200tq20v IA Stage 3 From MikeMilr at blackfoot.net Sat Apr 21 13:20:53 2001 From: MikeMilr at blackfoot.net (Mike Miller) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:55 2003 Subject: [200q20v] bar: from .1 to 1.8...is this normal? References: Message-ID: <000901c0ca8f$ce1fd2a0$dd22200c@lcs1> > Hey listers, > > My display shows the bar as low as .1 > > JP told me that a low of .3 is typical in his experience. What are you all > getting, and what difference would it make performance-wise if mine dips > lower than others? > > It tops out at 1.8. This is with Ned Ritchie's stage 3. > > TIA, > > Mitch Frey Living at close to 5000 ft elevation, I see .2 -> .3 low and 1.6->1.7 high with a stock ECU. Ignition on, engine off is .9. Seems to me you're seeing 1.7 bar change full range - I see about 1.4 change so you must be seeing some HP improvement over stock. mike miller still quattroing it in the montana snow From pjrose at frontiernet.net Sat Apr 21 15:28:17 2001 From: pjrose at frontiernet.net (Phil Rose) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:55 2003 Subject: [200q20v] bar: from .1 to 1.8...is this normal? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 1:18 PM -0400 4/21/01, Vztante@aol.com wrote: >Hey listers, > >My display shows the bar as low as .1 > >JP told me that a low of .3 is typical in his experience. What are you all >getting, and what difference would it make performance-wise if mine dips >lower than others? > >It tops out at 1.8. This is with Ned Ritchie's stage 3. > >TIA, > >Mitch Frey Assuming that stage 3 means that the pressure sensor has been upgraded, your dash boost gauge is now almost meaningless. Surely you expect that your maximum boost is actually above 1.8 bar, right? Best advice: install an analogue boost gauge. Quick, cheap and easy to do--except deciding on a spot to install the gauge. Mine's in the glove box. Phil -- Phil Rose Rochester, NY mailto:pjrose@frontiernet.net From Mpl20020vtq at aol.com Sat Apr 21 18:24:11 2001 From: Mpl20020vtq at aol.com (Mpl20020vtq@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:55 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Coolant leak Message-ID: <40.a64237a.2813547b@aol.com> I have developed a small coolant leak. Its just a small drip. It is on the back of the engine on the passenger side. I thought it was cooming from the hose that goes from the block to the Vacum Servo(at least I think thats what it is from the Bentley manual). I replaced this hose because I thought it had a small split. Then I noticed it might be coming from the hinge on that servo mechanism. Has anyone else had this item leak? Any idea of the price? Is this is a dealer only item? Thanks in advance. Michael 91 200q20v 102k From MartinGG at aetna.com Sat Apr 21 19:07:17 2001 From: MartinGG at aetna.com (Martin, Gary G) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:55 2003 Subject: [200q20v] bar: from .1 to 1.8...is this normal? Message-ID: What kind of boost pressures are you guys seeing with one of these IA stage 3, or MTM chips, which are supposed to give about an extra 50HP. What reading does the digital boost indicator in the 200 20V max out at? I've got a Wetterauer chip in my S4, but no boost gauge. The stock S4 has a overboost mode which gives 2.2 bar I think. I would think these chips should produce at least that much. Gary 91 200TQA 94 UrS4 -----Original Message----- From: Phil Rose [mailto:pjrose@frontiernet.net] Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 2:28 PM To: Vztante@aol.com; 200q20v@audifans.com Subject: Re: [200q20v] bar: from .1 to 1.8...is this normal? At 1:18 PM -0400 4/21/01, Vztante@aol.com wrote: >Hey listers, > >My display shows the bar as low as .1 > >JP told me that a low of .3 is typical in his experience. What are you all >getting, and what difference would it make performance-wise if mine dips >lower than others? > >It tops out at 1.8. This is with Ned Ritchie's stage 3. > >TIA, > >Mitch Frey Assuming that stage 3 means that the pressure sensor has been upgraded, your dash boost gauge is now almost meaningless. Surely you expect that your maximum boost is actually above 1.8 bar, right? Best advice: install an analogue boost gauge. Quick, cheap and easy to do--except deciding on a spot to install the gauge. Mine's in the glove box. Phil -- Phil Rose Rochester, NY mailto:pjrose@frontiernet.net _______________________________________________ 200q20v mailing list 200q20v@audifans.com http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/200q20v -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks in advance. Are you referring to the heater-control valve? The oem heater-control valve is plastic and is notorious for failures esp. in a high-mileage car. There are all- (or mostly-) metal valves available as aftermarket replacements. I think Pep Boys has 'em. Cheap. Phil -- Phil Rose Rochester, NY mailto:pjrose@frontiernet.net From pck at gte.net Sat Apr 21 17:57:10 2001 From: pck at gte.net (Pete Kunzler) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:55 2003 Subject: [200q20v] bar: from .1 to 1.8...is this normal? Message-ID: <006d01c0cabe$c83b4b60$94fd153f@petekunz> My stage 3+ usually see's 21-22 lbs at full boost third gear on a hill. Pete 91 200 20v -----Original Message----- From: Martin, Gary G Subject: RE: [200q20v] bar: from .1 to 1.8...is this normal? >What kind of boost pressures are you guys seeing with one of these IA stage >3, or MTM chips, which are supposed to give about an extra 50HP. What >reading does the digital boost indicator in the 200 20V max out at? I've got >a Wetterauer chip in my S4, but no boost gauge. The stock S4 has a overboost >mode which gives 2.2 bar I think. I would think these chips should produce >at least that much. > >Gary >91 200TQA >94 UrS4 > >- From calvinlc at earthlink.net Sun Apr 22 00:50:38 2001 From: calvinlc at earthlink.net (Calvin & Diana Craig) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:55 2003 Subject: [200q20v] RE: Noise Question In-Reply-To: <200104211601.MAA12689@www.audifans.com> Message-ID: Gary, Most likely this is lifter noise. I would guess over 50% of the 5 cylinder Audis running around out there have some lifter noise on startup. --Calvin I'm enjoying my 91 200.20v Avant more and more, as I'm getting things sorted out, especially getting rid of the squeak from the drivers side front and rear doors. New sound question. When the car is cold, at startup I hear a clicking or rattling sound coming from the engine compartment. Steady cadence that changes with engine speed. Goes away when warm. Car has 92k miles. Any ideas? TIA Gary 91 200TQA 94 UrS4 From dpulvino at agraus.com Sun Apr 22 04:25:58 2001 From: dpulvino at agraus.com (Derek Pulvino) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:55 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Re: Big Brother and other stuff Message-ID: Hey all, Surprised that so many others didn't pick up quicker on the joke factor relating to the GM climate control. I also know the same climate control in our 200's was used in Buicks of the mid 80's vintage. On another tack of the same topic, it's pretty funny to hear people going haywire about the onstar system, but not also mentioning the oddity of a 96 model year mandated running change that required USA marketed cars to have the OBDII system (referenced as per Chris Miller in Audi 4000 manifold thread). I can understand emision control systemes and the like being mandated by a certain date by Env. agencies, but what would be the logic behind madating a vehicle self diagnostics system? Am I wrong, or is it not true that OBDII adds nothing in terms of vehicle running and efficency, only vehicle care and diagnosis? Sure there's a car lobby, but why would a manufacturer go through the trouble to have something like that as a requirement? Good business sense would say that sure, it saves diagnosis time, and money under warante repairs, but would a corporation really feel so powerless as to ask the legislation to madate something that they would want to do at any rate to save on labor time? Beyond all that, how long can we sit and look over our shoulder, self arrest ourselves from our pleasures, worried about who's watching us do what? If you want to drive a car, or take part in most anything for that matter, you dont' really have time to worry. I hate to say it, but screw it! Tons of holes in my points, but with any kind of luck, the general message I believe is coming across. Derek Pulvino From dpulvino at agraus.com Sun Apr 22 04:26:29 2001 From: dpulvino at agraus.com (Derek Pulvino) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:55 2003 Subject: [200q20v] More Seattle 200 sightings Message-ID: From dpulvino at agraus.com Sun Apr 22 04:39:59 2001 From: dpulvino at agraus.com (Derek Pulvino) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:55 2003 Subject: [200q20v] More Seattle 200 sightings Message-ID: Hey all, Back to Seattle sitings again; is there anybody on the list here driving a Red 91 200, that was parked at Chaplins VW, Subaru today (Saturday the 21 of April)? Tan interior, aftermarket boost gauge on steering wheel, probaby chipped, Euro lights, incredibly well cared for paint with no discernible swirl marks, dunlop D60 tires, etc. I was down there checking out the new WRX today and saw that car on the lot. My first thought was, "well, looks like I'm going to have to drive two cars today instead of one; lets see how my 200 stacks up..." Then i figured out it wasn't for sale. Who ever you are, nice work. The funny thing is, that was the first 200 i drove when I was looking for one. Seeing that car on the lot really brought home how timeless the Audi design is in 20v iteration. WRX was fun, but once in third at freeway speeds, didn't seem much over and above the 200 for passing thrills. Need to check out the exhaust plumbing again, but it's interesting to see the turbo setup; what with two banks of cylinders, and I guess all exhaust being routed to one side of the engine for positive intake pressure (unless it's a Saab style asymetric turbo application). Car was adjustable though through the corners, with some rear lightness induceable with brake timing. Pedals were also set up pretty well for heel/toe action, though haven't found a pedal cluster as good as my GTI for that. 450-550 a month, more than I'm read for for a car payment. First, pearl white 200 must undergo sheet metal surgery before options B and C are considered. Derek Pulvino From dpulvino at agraus.com Sun Apr 22 05:04:48 2001 From: dpulvino at agraus.com (Derek Pulvino) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:09:55 2003 Subject: [200q20v] Susension bushings Message-ID: Greg, (Chris, may want to include this in your site for others reference, although my ear to the list makes me feel I'm pretty isolated in this matter) Ha, ha, just kidding about that first message. In reference to your suspension bushing question, the Scott Mockry site is a good reference for parts. Recently rebuilt the front end of my car. So far I'm kind of frustrated in that after all that work the car still does not drive like it did when I first got it. I replaced subframe bushings, inner control arm and all sway bar bushings, outer ball joint ends, strut bearings, and the struts. The information from my experience that I didn't get from the list, is that this might not work. I have several theories, but because of time and money limitations, haven't been able to trace them down. I think these cars are pretty sensitive to fine tuning. Run a google search for alignements and balljoints to see what I mean. Ideas are incorrectly aligned subframe, bad alignment, worn ball joints or inner tie rod bushings, worn steering damper, poor quality parts, or maybe I put something together wrong. My car will be expertly aligned in the next couple of weeks, and at that time I can get the subframe properly aligned. Maybe this will help, and damn I hope so. Just wanted to let you know of my experience before you jump in; hopefully you can join the others on the list with rebuilt front ends that came together like salt and pepper. If you have any other specific questions, I'd be happy to help. I want to figure this out and maybe somebody else's parallel experience can help. Derek Pulvino PS: Heres some communicatin I had with Scott Mockry on the subject. Derek, I have noticed the 200 and S4 quattros seem to be susceptible to this problem. There are a few things that contribute to excessive wandering when hitting ruts in the road. Wider wheels with high performance low profile tires with stiff side walls, aftermarket wheels with a different offset, toe out, excessive negative camber, defective steering damper, loose steering rack pre-load, play in the inner tie rod end rubber bushings, loose upper strut mounts, torn lower control arm bushings, loose sway bar bushings etc. The front camber spec allows 0 to -1 degree, setting it closer to 0 should help somewhat. The rear is spec'ed to be 0 to -0.5 degree. The car should get a 4 wheel alignment, as the rear settings can steer the car. The camber and toe settings from side to side should be adjusted to be the same, and not just within specs. If the car is using stock springs, then you should be able to get the camber close to the positive end of these camber specs. Cars using aftermarket springs and have been lowered often times will have excessive negative camber and won't come close to the 0 camber settings. If the camber is not equal from side to side and can not be adjusted equally, then the subframe position should be adjusted to equalize this camber setting. If the front suspension is apart, a plumb bob and string can be dropped from the upper strut mounting hole to measure the side to side difference to the lower control arm bushing center point, and then the subframe bolts can be loosened and then the subframe moved side to side to equalize this as much as possible. I assume you torqued down the retention bolts for the sway bar front bushings and the end link bushings and lower control arm bushings when the car was sitting on the ground with the suspension settled? This prevents putting the bushings in a bind when the front end is up in the air. My 87 5000TQ track car runs -2.5 degrees camber in the front and -2.0 in the rear, and has about 1/8 inch toe out, and has 16X8 S4 wheels with Kuhmo track tires, this thing "leaps" violently to one side when encountering ruts in the road. HTH Scott >Rumor has it you don't have much time these days for answering questions, >but figured I'd give it a shot anyways. My car is 91 200tq with 141k miles >on it