[200q20v] Re: [BIRA] 3pt Seatbelt harness
JShadzi at aol.com
JShadzi at aol.com
Wed Apr 25 01:13:29 EDT 2001
In a message dated 4/24/2001 8:46:30 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
tedebearp at yahoo.com writes:
<< no they don't. replace the lap seat belt mounting bolts with eye bolts
use snap-in belts, so you don't have to sacrifice the regular seatbelt.
if you use a six point harness, you can attach the ends of the
antisubmarine strap to the seat mounting bolts. the shoulder harness
is the trickiest part. one solution i've seen is to attach to the rear
lap belt anchors,>>
Then this is no different than a Schroth installation... in my car the angle
is less than 45 degrees, since I have short legs, my seat sits up close and
there is an acceptable angle to prevent spine compression problems.
<<a good solution from a driver protection standpoint is to bolt a
beefy bar between the b-pillars using the stock shoulder belt
anchors. this ensures that the shoulder harness doesn't compress your
spine. you need to make sure this bar is stiff, so it won't bend and
put a big bending load on the mounting bolts.>>
Ok, this supports my extremely impractical point, though a good idea, but a
lot of work for a street car ocassionally driven on the track in "dirving
<< you may regard proper safety equipment as overkill, and that's certainly
your prerogative. IMHO, if you feel you need safety harnesses, you
should do the job right. >>
I never said I regard "saftey" as overkill, it is of your opinion that the
Scroth harnesses are "unsafe", my experience tells me otherwise. I know of
countless cars track driven, some have even been in severe accidents (Ken
Bennett's Coupe GT comes to mind, complete rollover at Sears) with very
"safe" results using Schroth harnesses.
<<i'm not convinced of that, javad. i know schroth belts are very pretty
and make a nice and clean installation, but i'm not convinced they
are an improvement over stock from a safety standpoint, primarily
because of the shoulder harness issue. spinal compression is very
bad, and that's why football players aren't allowed to use their
heads to ram other players.>>
Correct, see above, spinal injuries are very serious, but your suggestion of
installing a race harness using the rear mount points does not support the
above...it then seems a matter of installation, not belt design. And it has
nothing to do with being "pretty"...
<< you will never see a schroth harness in a real race car (because it isn't
going to pass tech)>>
Correct, but because a particular mod does not pass tech inspection at SCCA
does not mean it is not safe or effective for driving a street car on the
track...then should we all install roll cages too? It is clear that for the
GREATEST level of safetey, a race harness should be used.
<< mostly, i see them in riceboy cars. not that i'm calling
you a riceboy, javad. i do feel that if you are going to spend money
and effort installing a harness, you should do the job right.>>
Oh boy, now you are heading towards fisticuffs!! =) Without reference to
mudslinging, "riceboys" have taken many good products and ruined them with
their ignorance...I blame riceboys for their motives and ignorance, not the
products they use, nuff said...
<<we may have to agree to disagree on this one.>>
Yes, I think if you refer back to the original post that started this, you
will see where I'm coming from.
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