[200q20v] Lowering Springs? - or better idea agains side wind impact

Bernie Benz b.m.benz at prodigy.net
Mon Apr 30 08:05:08 EDT 2001

Increase the roll stiffness, ala the Lotus race car designs.  Soft sprung,
no bump steer, and roll stiffer than hell.  I have no problem with lowering,
as long as it does not move the suspension travel into an area of higher
bump steer.  Mcphersion suspensions are prone to doing this.


> From: "Peer Oliver Schmidt" <pos at theinternet.de>
> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 08:35:18 +0100
> To: "'Bernie Benz'" <b.m.benz at prodigy.net>
> Cc: "'200q20V mailing list'" <200q20v at audifans.com>
> Subject: RE: [200q20v] Lowering Springs? - or better idea agains side wind
> impact
> Bernie,
> most of the times your comments are very interesting. Same this time.
> I am no fan of lowering cars either, but I do have a problem. Going 140+ mph
> frequently in an area where Mercedes Benz is testing there cars for sidewind
> impact, I do have a problem whenever I overtake larger cars and trucks, or
> get a blast from the side.
> What would be your suggestion to limit this problem?!
> Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.
> rgds
> pos
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 200q20v-admin at audifans.com [mailto:200q20v-admin at audifans.com]On
> Behalf Of Bernie Benz
> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 7:26 AM
> To: C1J1Miller at aol.com
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> Subject: Re: [200q20v] Lowering Springs?
> IMO, no one should consider changing the ride height of his car without a
> complete understanding of the bump steer characteristics of the vehicle, and
> the resultant associated handling problems!  Yet, most contributors to this
> and other trivial Audi lists are avocates of both higher rate, shorter
> springs and "stiffer" shocks, the constant "feels so good, thinner wallet"
> fad, and all this in spite of wives and friends complaints (know the
> difference?) about the resultant SUV ride characteristics.
> Color is king!  Do you like yellow shocks with red springs, or are two
> orange striped black springs with purple shocks the better combo,  what is
> the consensus?
> Bernie
>> From: C1J1Miller at aol.com
>> Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 22:25:39 EDT
>> To: brettd at speakeasy.net, t44tq at mindspring.com, 200q20v at audifans.com,
>> quattro at audifans.com, s-car-list at yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [200q20v] Lowering Springs?
>> In a message dated 4/29/01 12:26:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>> brettd at speakeasy.net writes:
>>>> Finally, does anyone know if '92 UrS4 springs will work on
>>>> a '91 200q w/o raising ride height? If they do and someone has
>>>> BTDT, please let me know.
>>> No.  These transformed Rob Winchell's car into what he called "the
>>> 200q20v allroad" ; the S4 is much heavier than the 200q20v.
>>> Brett
>> The '92 is about 3850# versus the '91 at 3650#, probably fairly evenly
> split
>> up front/rear.  It is also a bit lower and stiffer than the '91, so using
>> front/rear springs from the '92 S4 in the '91 would likely have a slight
> drop
>> in height, and an increase in stiffness.  Rob used springs off an S6,
> which
>> was higher stock ride height, plus heavier.
>> I'm currently considering what to complete for my own suspension mods on
> my
>> '91 200q20v sedan.  I've been running stock front springs/boges, and rear
> '92
>> S4 springs/boges.  My options are:
>> Eibach springs for the '91 200q20v, front and rear;
>> Eibach front springs, with '92 S4 rear springs;
>> Eibach front springs, with H&R V8 rear springs;
>> Rear springs/inserts can be easily swapped, so I'll likely try a few
>> combinations to evaluate what I prefer.
>> For strut inserts, I'm likely using a set of Konis I picked up cheap.
>> I believe you can also install slightly different height rubber spring
> mounts
>> up front to help corner balance the car/adjust ride height.
>> Chris Miller, Windham NH, c1j1miller at aol.com
>> '91 200q20v ==>  http://members.aol.com/c1j1miller/welcome.html
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