[200q20v] Upgraded Brakes

Fundsalo Racing fundsaloracing at yahoo.com
Sat Jan 19 18:55:54 EST 2002

Hawk blue's are awesome and easy on rotors,  just
beware when stone-cold or rotors are wet or coated
with sno, BTDT.

--- Phil Rose <pjrose at frontiernet.net> wrote:
> In case anyone feels the G60 brakes are acceptable
> for street use,
> yet thinks they will be completely unsuitable for
> the track, here's a
> recap of my recent experience which, IMHO, helped to
> breathe some
> life into the much-maligned G60 brakes.
> Early last year I had serious intentions to do a
> BIRA upgrade (my car
> has G60 brakes/oem rotors). But I procratinated (as
> usual), and I
> didn't procure suitable 16 or 17" wheels in time. So
> as the Watkins
> Glen event approached (last August), it was obvious
> that I would be
> stuck with using my old G60 brakes (the oem rotors
> were almost new).
> That was a pretty bleak prospect for me, considering
> that during the
> previous year's WG event--my first-- I had trashed
> my rotors --
> burning completely through the oem pads while barely
> into my second
> day on the track. That event was a live-and-learn
> experience,
> teaching me to be more observant and conservative
> about brakes at
> track events. So...what to do, now that WG was fast
> approaching? To
> make matters worse--the car would be shared with my
> son, who would be
> attending his first event.
> On the strong recommendation of Art Mayhew, I
> ordered a set of Hawk
> Blue (9012) brake pads for the G60s. Art advised me
> that these would
> be suitable _only_ for track use since, if used for
> street driving,
> there would be a very high rate of rotor wear.  That
> was OK; I just
> wanted decent braking and enough durability to get
> through the event.
> I was very skeptical--especially when I found that
> these pads would
> cost $190 a set.
> I picked up the Hawk pads from Art a few days before
> the event, and I
> installed them just before leaving home for the 100
> mile drive to the
> Glen. On the way down, we detoured onto some
> deserted rural roads and
> spent some time (about 30 minutes) doing the
> recommended series of
> bedding-in runs. Oh, what a smell! We proceeded to
> Watkins Glen. This
> was to be a fairly severe test of brake durability,
> and I kept asking
> Art for assurance that replacement pads and rotors
> would be available
> during the event. The previous year I had carried a
> spare set of pads
> but hadn't been savvy enough to  install 'em before
> the first pads
> wore through to nothing and trashed the rotors (with
> no spare rotors
> available).
> Marc was in the novice group and I was intermediate.
> The brakes
> rarely had much time for cooloing. We quickly began
> to feel somewhat
> like ALMS drivers <g>! But to make a long story
> short--this time the
> car (with Hoppen chip, BTW) and brakes performed
> flawlessly!
> Definitely there was a better "feel" (quick grip and
> fade resistance)
> than ever before. The pads and rotors lasted
> easily--in spite of
> doing double duty--through the entire event. But the
> real eye-opener
> was when I was back home--removing the Hawk pads and
> reinstalling the
> oem pads. The Hawk Blue pads could hardly be told
> from new! They had
> done double-duty at the Glen, yet at least 90% of
> the original pad
> thickness remained!!! The rotors' appearance and
> thickness were very
> moderately affected--a slight amount of additional
> grooving compared
> to the starting surface (which was very smooth).
> Marc drove pretty hard for a novice I think, while I
> drove the car at
> least as hard as he did. Neither of us made any
> special effort to "go
> easy" on the brakes. And neither of us actually had
> any complaints
> about the adequacy of the G60 brakes with those
> pads. Could it have
> been a lot better with more braking (from Big Reds
> and larger
> rotors)? Sure. There is no doubt in my mind that a
> "real" brake
> upgrade would do a better job and be more-suited to
> an advanced
> driver. But I think that using good competition pads
> like the 9012
> Hawks with the G60 brakes makes the the G60--for a
> lot of
> people--suitable for track use. The cost of those
> pads--and of course
> limiting their use to track events--is a small price
> to pay
> considering the improved braking and the astounding
> low wear. From my
> experience, this is a good way (not the ultimate
> way) to make G60
> brakes--and even oem rotors--a useful setup for the
> '91 200q on the
> track.
> Am I still seriously considering a _real_ upgrade to
> the G60s? Definitely.
> Phil
> >True- although I have never been able to engage the
> ABS at 100mph
> >(haven't
> >really tried, though, although I've come close). I
> can engage the ABS at
> >50mph with the UFOs.
> >
> >What you gain is pedal feel, much cheaper rotor
> replacement, much better
> >suited
> >for track use.
> >
> >Taka
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Mike Miller [mailto:MikeMilr at blackfoot.net]
> >Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2002 2:51 AM
> >To: TM; BIRA Brake List; 200q20v at audifans.com
> >Subject: Re: [200q20v] Upgraded Brakes
> >
> >
> >Seems to me that if you could engage ABS at 100 mph
> before and after you
> >havent really gained too much in everyday
> driveability. Of course, you
> >have likely gained a bunch in terms of repeated
> brakeability without
> >fade. But, that deer I see in the road doesn't wait
> for my UFO's to stop
> >multiple times.
> >
> >mike miller
> >helmville mt
> >
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> --
> Phil Rose				Rochester, NY
> '91 200q	(130 Kmiles, Lago blue)
> '91 200q   (57 Kmiles, Tornado red)
> 	mailto:pjrose at frontiernet.net
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