New Member, Not a new Audi owner

Bernie Benz b.m.benz at
Thu Jun 13 09:04:01 EDT 2002

Chris,  In 100K I've spent a whole $65. (too much, I admit) for new pads for
my UFOs, that's all.  So, the G60s were a free downgrade!  Was that good?
Even if it was $2K worth of downgrade parts.


> From: Chris Covington <malth at>
> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:19:42 -0400 (EDT)
> To: Bernie Benz <b.m.benz at>
> Cc: "Freed, David (Exchange)" <dfreed at>, 200q20V mailing list
> <200q20v at>
> Subject: Re: New Member, Not a new Audi owner
> Bernie, not everyone has as fat a wallet as yours and likes to afford the
> more expensive maintenance on the UFOs vs. the G60s.  So when the G60s
> were a free switchout, and came with free new hardware (incl. new struts,
> pads, rotors, calipers, etc. - those all add up to some serious $$$
> saved) vs. however many miles one had on their UFOs and the other
> associated components, I didn't have a problem with that.
> I guess if I had the fat wallet syndrome and liked to spend more like
> you, then I'd be fine with keeping the UFOs, worn struts, pads, etc.  But
> I don't.
> Chris
> '91 200q20v
> On Wed, 12 Jun 2002, Bernie Benz wrote:
>> Not suprising.  I've always been a proponent of UFOs vs. G60s because of the
>> 15% braking torque UFO advantage due to its larger rotor diameter, piston
>> area remains the same.  Paying for a real upgrade in braking torque and heat
>> capacity, as you are planning, can possibably be justified but paying for,
>> or even allowing Audi to to so to you for a down grade is beyoud my
>> comprehension.
>> Bernie
>>> From: "Freed, David (Exchange)" <dfreed at>
>>> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 14:11:00 -0400
>>> To: "'Bernie Benz'" <b.m.benz at>
>>> Subject: RE: New Member, Not a new Audi owner
>>> I find that your opinion of the UFO "upgrade" is surprising.  Ultimately the
>>> UFO's are better but very few people can get them to brake smoothly and
>>> consistently.  And parts (and labor) are VERY expensive.  That's why it was
>>> changed under warranty.  I'm not happy with the brakes on my S4 either but
>>> when I used new rotors and pads both front and rear, I got a firm pedal with
>>> fairly strong stopping power.  I just wouldn't trust them at the track.  But
>>> that's why the S4 will be getting the Big Reds when the budget will allow
>>> it.  The 200TQW will probably remain mostly stock.
>>> Dave
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Bernie Benz [mailto:b.m.benz at]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 1:48 PM
>>> To: Freed, David (Exchange)
>>> Cc: 200q20V mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: New Member, Not a new Audi owner
>>> Two comments, Dave.
>>> Audi's "fix" conversion from UFOs to G60s, IMO, was a downgrade, not an
>>> upgrade in braking performance.
>>> Rotary shaft seals:  If a seal is leaking and no other internal symptoms,
>>> shch as bad noises, add a half a can of engine seal restorer the rear end,
>>> and the other half into the tranny.  Of course this works on engine shaft
>>> seals also.  Don't fix it if it ain't broke!
>>> Bernie
>>>> From: "Freed, David (Exchange)" <dfreed at>
>>>> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 11:54:20 -0400
>>>> To: "'200q20v List'" <200q20v at>
>>>> Subject: New Member, Not a new Audi owner
>>>> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand
>>>> this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.
>>>> --
>>>> I just joined this mailing list because I just got a new (to me) '91 200
>>> TQ
>>>> Avant in Indigo Mica (I've corrected my previous error of Lago) with Grey
>>>> leather and 114,000 miles.  The body and interior are in excellent shape
>>> and
>>>> a previous owner had the UFO upgraded to S4 front brakes plus a Hoppen
>>> chip.
>>>> I've already received congrats from several list members because I also
>>> own
>>>> a '93 S4 and belong to the S-Car list.  I've include my original post to
>>> the
>>>> S-Car list as an introduction.
>>>> Here's my problem:
>>>> There is a leak coming from the Right Rear differential seal.  Is this a
>>>> common seal failure or a sign of internal wear that could cost big bucks?
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