New Member, Not a new Audi owner

Bernie Benz b.m.benz at
Thu Jun 13 09:40:13 EDT 2002

Struts No.  Strut inserts (shocks) yes, but that is irrelevant to the brake


> From: Chris Covington <malth at>
> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 11:04:31 -0400 (EDT)
> To: Bernie Benz <b.m.benz at>
> Cc: 200q20V mailing list <200q20v at>
> Subject: Re: New Member, Not a new Audi owner
> You've never had to replace your struts?
> Chris
> On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, Bernie Benz wrote:
>> Chris,  In 100K I've spent a whole $65. (too much, I admit) for new pads for
>> my UFOs, that's all.  So, the G60s were a free downgrade!  Was that good?
>> Even if it was $2K worth of downgrade parts.
>> Bernie
>>> From: Chris Covington <malth at>
>>> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:19:42 -0400 (EDT)
>>> To: Bernie Benz <b.m.benz at>
>>> Cc: "Freed, David (Exchange)" <dfreed at>, 200q20V mailing list
>>> <200q20v at>
>>> Subject: Re: New Member, Not a new Audi owner
>>> Bernie, not everyone has as fat a wallet as yours and likes to afford the
>>> more expensive maintenance on the UFOs vs. the G60s.  So when the G60s
>>> were a free switchout, and came with free new hardware (incl. new struts,
>>> pads, rotors, calipers, etc. - those all add up to some serious $$$
>>> saved) vs. however many miles one had on their UFOs and the other
>>> associated components, I didn't have a problem with that.
>>> I guess if I had the fat wallet syndrome and liked to spend more like
>>> you, then I'd be fine with keeping the UFOs, worn struts, pads, etc.  But
>>> I don't.
>>> Chris
>>> '91 200q20v
>>> On Wed, 12 Jun 2002, Bernie Benz wrote:
>>>> Not suprising.  I've always been a proponent of UFOs vs. G60s because of
>>>> the
>>>> 15% braking torque UFO advantage due to its larger rotor diameter, piston
>>>> area remains the same.  Paying for a real upgrade in braking torque and
>>>> heat
>>>> capacity, as you are planning, can possibably be justified but paying for,
>>>> or even allowing Audi to to so to you for a down grade is beyoud my
>>>> comprehension.
>>>> Bernie
>>>>> From: "Freed, David (Exchange)" <dfreed at>
>>>>> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 14:11:00 -0400
>>>>> To: "'Bernie Benz'" <b.m.benz at>
>>>>> Subject: RE: New Member, Not a new Audi owner
>>>>> I find that your opinion of the UFO "upgrade" is surprising.  Ultimately
>>>>> the
>>>>> UFO's are better but very few people can get them to brake smoothly and
>>>>> consistently.  And parts (and labor) are VERY expensive.  That's why it
>>>>> was
>>>>> changed under warranty.  I'm not happy with the brakes on my S4 either but
>>>>> when I used new rotors and pads both front and rear, I got a firm pedal
>>>>> with
>>>>> fairly strong stopping power.  I just wouldn't trust them at the track.
>>>>> But
>>>>> that's why the S4 will be getting the Big Reds when the budget will allow
>>>>> it.  The 200TQW will probably remain mostly stock.
>>>>> Dave
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Bernie Benz [mailto:b.m.benz at]
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 1:48 PM
>>>>> To: Freed, David (Exchange)
>>>>> Cc: 200q20V mailing list
>>>>> Subject: Re: New Member, Not a new Audi owner
>>>>> Two comments, Dave.
>>>>> Audi's "fix" conversion from UFOs to G60s, IMO, was a downgrade, not an
>>>>> upgrade in braking performance.
>>>>> Rotary shaft seals:  If a seal is leaking and no other internal symptoms,
>>>>> shch as bad noises, add a half a can of engine seal restorer the rear end,
>>>>> and the other half into the tranny.  Of course this works on engine shaft
>>>>> seals also.  Don't fix it if it ain't broke!
>>>>> Bernie
>>>>>> From: "Freed, David (Exchange)" <dfreed at>
>>>>>> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 11:54:20 -0400
>>>>>> To: "'200q20v List'" <200q20v at>
>>>>>> Subject: New Member, Not a new Audi owner
>>>>>> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not
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>>>>>> --
>>>>>> I just joined this mailing list because I just got a new (to me) '91 200
>>>>> TQ
>>>>>> Avant in Indigo Mica (I've corrected my previous error of Lago) with Grey
>>>>>> leather and 114,000 miles.  The body and interior are in excellent shape
>>>>> and
>>>>>> a previous owner had the UFO upgraded to S4 front brakes plus a Hoppen
>>>>> chip.
>>>>>> I've already received congrats from several list members because I also
>>>>> own
>>>>>> a '93 S4 and belong to the S-Car list.  I've include my original post to
>>>>> the
>>>>>> S-Car list as an introduction.
>>>>>> Here's my problem:
>>>>>> There is a leak coming from the Right Rear differential seal.  Is this a
>>>>>> common seal failure or a sign of internal wear that could cost big bucks?
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