Gear GB close out

Audi Sport themercedesbenz at
Tue Oct 29 02:16:49 EST 2002

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As far as I'm concerned, I have no use for a $2 check and I don't think that
anyone else would want you to go thru the effort of comming up to close to 100
checks for $2 . I think you guys need to get paid for your effort even if you
said that it was non profit. I know I wouldn't have done it all for free
myself so I sure don't expect that from you guys. I don't know what the
donation to the lists consists of but if there is anything left over after
your share just do what you think is best with it.

Best regards,

Dan B.
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From: "Derek Pulvino"
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Subject: RE: Gear GB close out
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 21:23:32 -0800
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In response to the following from themercedesbenz:
>Ok, I don't know if I'm the only one wondering about this and if I
>got >this straight but if you guys said this was "no profit" when we
>got >charged like $42 each for a gear how did you end up with $500
That was the original intention of the purchase. What I had envisioned
including having a better handle on total cost of the project prior to
shipment, and then armed with this knowledge to include $1-$2 in US cash along
with all of the gears sent, with sum dependant on total quantity ordered. At
the time that pricing was set, and collections begun, we still had not
encountered our 3-months of delays and multiple false starts. Once all of
these delays came into play, unfortunately (for the possibility of including a
refund) getting the finished gear into the hands of the people who had paid
3-months prior to our actually being able to provide the gear (for the reasons
detailed above, ie manufacturing and design delays) put shipment upon
completion as our #1 priority. As such, we skipped the step of making a
projection on final costs before shipment. At this point, taking the extra day
or two might have been worth the time.
We made estimates on pricing based on a per purchaser breakdown of shipping
material, guessed what the shipping weight and hence shipping cost of the gear
would be, and then added in the "oh shit/just in case charge" due to the
possibility of who knows what.
To date, all of this excess is in the same account to which it was deposited.
I have not touched it as I've considered it to be a "business acount," and
believed any non-gear related debits would be akin to "embezelment." As such,
the only debits made on the account include:
-Checks made out to the manufacturer to pay for the gear, and his shipping
charges to Bernie (this shipping charge is an example of one of the charges
not anticipated);
-Checks made out to Bernie to reimburse him for the cost of packing materials
and USPS charges;
-A check made out to Bernie to cover gas charges for his 3-4 trips to the
manufacturer (about 150 miles round trip) during the up-ramping of the project
to coordinate design, prototype, and manufacturing details.
Please remember that this project involved multiple setbacks including
sourcing an accurate prototype, figuring out what needed to be provided to the
manufacturer so that they could assure their quality, providing it, insuring
it was adequate, and the manufacutring of a new gear cutting tool (which was
delayed twice) by the manufacturer.
Additionally, (and hopefully without sounding poor me'ish) on my side I
believe I wound up spending about 60-70 hrs to get this together, which
included collecting money, drafting correspondences, and assembling data
tables and mailing labels. As as aside, going with the "unanticipated
problems" theme, the original spreadsheet wound up becoming inaccessible
because of problems that arose with the disk, and as such had to be recreated
about halfway in. Unfortunately, I had no backup as I was doing this work at
the local public libraries, so could not save backups to the hardrive. I know
I volunteered this time at the outset, but it was again, more time than
>I don't think it was a mistake to pad the pricing, as there really
> >was no knowing what could have come up unexpectedly given our
> >experience prior to setting a price and collecting (ie delays,
>hob, >etc)...
>>From: "Derek Pulvino"
>>>Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 11:59:51 -0700
>>>To: b.m.benz at, alancordeiro at
>>>Subject: Re: Gear GB close out
I had come to the conclusion below as I saw how much fun writing out 90'ish
checks for 2'ish dollars would be after the fact...
>>>I agree with Bernie, that the time and additional cost to mail the
>>> >>> money back to everybody makes the refund idea somewhat
>>>prohibitive >>> from a cost effective standpoint. My idea is to
>>>send out an email >>> to everbody who was involved, detail where
>>>the money went, and give >>> them 4 options; refund; donation to
>>>lists; split amongst us; or a >>> combination thereof.
And due to recent developements, will do just what the second half of the
paragraph states. This email will be copied and sent to everybody who
purchased a gear (I believe I have all of the email addresses condensed and
readily accessible but if you see this via the lists and not via an email to
your inbox, do let me know) to assess which of the three options each
individual would like to see there $ go to. The ($) remainder will be handled
according to each individuals desire based on the four options above.
So, to all involved in this purchase, please respond to the other copy of this
email that will be sent via geargp at
Since I have no idea of what kind of a shitstorm may be arising, I hope this
message can begin to curtail some of the concerns that may be volleyed; aka
nip it in the bud before armament flies.
>>>For me, while it did take a lot more time than I was expecting,
>>>and >>> I would like to be compensated for my time, I've still got
>>>to hold >>> myself to my original word. AKA "not for profit."
>>>Again, I guess more work.
>>>Derek P
So, in closing, I'll apologize for the misunderstanding, and begin work to
setting things to order.
Derek "I keep trying to get out, but they keep pulling me back in" P.

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