2 Bennett camber plates

Bernie Benz b.benz at charter.net
Wed Jun 11 12:27:54 EDT 2003

If 2B has replaced the elastormeric strut top isolator with a hard spherical
bushing to achieve strut angular movement at the tower interface, IMO the
result is only suitable for race/track, not street.  I believe that they
also went to a small diameter coil spring to gain strut freedom within the
confinement of the tower.  A noisy, not for street design!


> From: Steven Hauptmann <hauptmanns at llr.sc.gov>
> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 13:05:27 -0400
> To: 'Patrick Anderson' <ptanders at attbi.com>
> Cc: 200q20v at audifans.com
> Subject: RE: 2 Bennett camber plates
> I understand that the 2 Bennett plates which use a spherical bushing, have
> some SERIOUS road noise issues that may not be acceptable for many street
> users.
> I hope the ECS problem you speak of is isolated. I'll let you know as I
> already own them but have yet to do the install.
> Steve Hauptmann
> South Carolina
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Patrick Anderson [mailto:ptanders at attbi.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 7:58 PM
> To: Steven Hauptmann; 'ben swann'
> Cc: 200q20v at audifans.com
> Subject: Re: (no subject)
> I have heard from one reliable source that the 2Bennett camber plates, while
> more expensive, are definately worth the extra dough$$$. Apparently the ECS
> camber plates are prone to a problem. Some experience binding at/near full
> steering lock either way. ECS's solution...loosen the top strut nut!!! I
> think not. Just my two cents (well not really as I learned this from
> somebody else).
> Patrick
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steven Hauptmann" <hauptmanns at llr.sc.gov>
> To: "'ben swann'" <benswann at comcast.net>
> Cc: <200q20v at audifans.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 9:26 AM
> Subject: (no subject)
>> Ben,
>> <<What is the source of the camber plates?>>
>> I got the camber plates from ECS tuning.
>> http://www.ecstuning.com/s4s6camberplatespage.htm
>> <<Is the only problem alignment/tire wear?  How does it effect handling?>>
>> Seems too much negative camber effects tire wear and straight line
> behavior
>> at speed. Not sure beyond that.
>> <<How far out of spec is it?  >>
>> My camber was neg 1.7 on the drivers side and neg 0.4 on the passenger
> side.
>> From what I gather from other listers, many cars (but not all) cannot have
>> the alignment set to acceptable camber limits when they are lowered, ie
> H&R
>> springs, due to too much negative camber. So in an attempt to correct
> this,
>> and introduce more positive camber, I'm going to install the ECS camber
>> plates.
>> To install them on a type 44 (they were actually designed for the C4
> chassis
>> cars, ECS modified spring perches must be used as well as the C4 strut
>> bearings and strut mounts.
>> <<Can the camber plates be installed after I do all of the strut work,
>> without removing the assemblies a second time?>>
>> I have not even looked at the plates yet, but from what I understand the
>> strut will have to be removed from the car. I believe the only part of
> this
>> that can be replaced from up top is the strut mount.
>> The positive side to deciding to wait and do all this at once is that the
> C4
>> strut mounts are considerably cheaper than the ones for the 200q20v (if
> you
>> thought of replacing them) and the bearings cost the about the same as
> those
>> for our cars(of course this assumes you were planning to replace your old
>> bearings rather than cleaning and regreasing). I sourced the parts from
> Rod
>> at TPC, strut mounts for $32 each, and the strut bearings were $11 each.
>> <<Oh - what are you running in the rear.>>
>> I have H&R springs and Bilstein sport on both front and rear.
>> Hope this helps,
>> Steve Hauptmann
>> South Carolina
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