[Es2] ADMIN: "FA", "ETKA", "ELSA" was Re: Porsche FA now available

Matt twentyV matt_20v at yahoo.com
Wed Mar 3 13:46:23 EST 2004

I agree 100%.  With a little initiative anybody
can get ahold of an image to download (use audiworld
search for "etka", links are often posted).  It
requires a few contortions to get that image 
installed but heck I managed it.  And for those 
even worse off than me, CD's can often be found on
This really needs to get back below the radar screens
like it used to be... at one time it was considered
taboo to use the actual name, hence "Family Album".
I think we should go back to that.

--- Brett Dikeman <brett at cloud9.net> wrote:
> There has always been a
> wink-nod-know-the-secret-handshake passing of 
> the ETKA from enthusiast to enthusiast for free or
> the cost of 
> postage+the CD blank.  It was low-volume, done
> quietly, and only for 
> fellow enthusiasts.  Audi most likely tolerated it
> because ETKA isn't 
> sold to anyone save dealers(thus not representing
> lost sales), nobody 
> was making a profit off it, it was usually an
> outdated copy anyway, 
> and it made people better customers through faster
> orders and reduced 
> parts returns for wrong stuff.
>    Pedro has been practically spamming the list
> about it(I counted 3+ 
> messages today alone, and he is crossposting to
> virtually every 
> list), clearly making a profit, distributing current
> material 
> available to people other than dealers, and
> distributing it in gross 
> quantities.  His high-profile distribution of
> illegal software now 
> presents a significant, serious legal risk to
> Audifans as the 
> communications medium involved(there is a history of
> lists and forums 
> being threatened with legal action for such
> activities, and although 
> it has been successfully challenged in a few cases,
> do you want to 
> start a legal defense fund, or replace the server
> that would be 
> seized as evidence, along with all our backups,
> etc?) as well as our 
> current hosting company(whom we are receiving
> service from for free), 
> and --I am ending this discussion topic
> immediately.--  Further 
> discussion about distribution of this illegal
> software risks 
> unsubscription and blacklisting.  Dan's personal
> finances(and job as 
> well, since he works for said hosting company) and
> Audifans are too 
> important to be put at risk over something like
> this.
> Dan is currently out and I will discuss this with
> him as soon as he's 
> back.  If necessary one of us will post a follow-up.
> Brett
> -- 
> "They that give up essential liberty to obtain
> temporary
> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Ben
> Franklin
> http://www.users.cloud9.net/~brett/
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