Bernie Benz b.benz at
Wed Oct 10 16:02:11 PDT 2007

What were the codes after the 30 Min warm up?

Do you hear the FP when switching to ON? I can’t hear mine, replaced  
with the smaller pump,  so this may not be a meaningful test.

You could crack a line to the FI  manifold after it has been sitting  
over nite to see if you still have pressure, and/or run the PR return  
line into a bucket to check pump flow at pressure.

Don’t use cruse control on that driveway, especially in winter.


On Oct 10, 2007, at 1:38 PM, Mike Miller wrote:

> Thanks Phil and thanks to all that replied.
> As I have no Check Engine Light, I had to dig an LED out of an old  
> computer case and set it up to read the codes. I had already pulled  
> the fuses so there were no codes stored so, while I had the jumper/ 
> LED hooked up, I turned on the ignition and attempted to crank it  
> over to see if it would generate a code. To my amazement, it  
> started. I let it run about 30 mins to re-charge the battery and it  
> has started fine everytime since. I do *not* have a real high  
> confidence level that the car will not strand me somewhere. I did  
> get the car to cough and try to start finally when using starting  
> fluid so I ruled out electrical/timing after that.
> I've had the car about 2 years and 40k miles and have a lot of  
> receipts from prior owners. I do not see where the fuel pump has  
> been replaced. It does appear to have a bad check valve in the fuel  
> pump as it takes a lot of cranking when hot and the weather is hot  
> - seems to be fine when cold and the weather is cold. I may pull a  
> fairly new fuel pump from one of the parts cars I have and just  
> replace it.
> Also a strange issue with the cruise control - it works fine in  
> warm weather and just about not at all in cold(40ish) weather.
> mike
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Phil Rose
> To: 200q20V mailing list
> Cc: Mike Miller
> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 2:12 PM
> Subject: Re: Dead
> At 11:02 AM -0700 10/10/07, Bernie Benz wrote:
>> Codes? Previous start history?
> Yeh, what Bernie said.
> Do you get any spark while cranking? If not, don't be surprised to
> find something weird like a broken camshaft distr. gear (the one that
> turns the distributor gear)--or even a missing flywheel timing pin.
> Both (yes both!) of those happened to my car during the same week,
> just a couple of months ago. Hopefully it will be something much
> simpler than either of those.
> Phil
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