OMG I HATE this F'ing car!!!!!

Ed Kellock ekellock at
Fri Jul 10 15:54:50 PDT 2009

In my experience, when clutch hydraulics fail, when the internal rubber bits
stop sealing as they should, the pedal can still be moved up and down, but
the fluid isn't moved properly to make the clutch do it's thing.  

I think there is another mode of hydraulic failure that someone has
mentioned, but I've only had the type I described above.  I had this in a
couple of Coupe GTs, my urq, and my V8 5speed.  Ultimately replacement of
both master and slave was required to get it working again.

I've heard of the clutch pedal physically breaking also.  I believe it's
made of some sort of plastic.  Not sure about repair/replacement in that


-----Original Message-----
From: 200q20v-bounces at [mailto:200q20v-bounces at] On
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Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 4:44 PM
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Subject: Re: OMG I HATE this F'ing car!!!!!

so there's a chance the only thing wrong is a busted clutch pedal? if it was
the slave or clutch master cylinder, would it be impossible for me to pull
up or down on the clutch?

so, the clutch master cylinder is under the dashboard? or you need a lift to
make the job palatable?


From: "wanemardo at" <wanemardo at>
To: robert weinberg <centaurus3200 at>
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 3:13:19 PM
Subject: Re: OMG I HATE this F'ing car!!!!!

that's what mine did... but i had a little warning, so wasn't surprised when
leaving the house one day, the clutch barely engaged, so I parked it, and
drove my son'e GTI to work... in my case, the clutch pedal had been "hanging
up" just a little so when I took my foot off the clutch pedal, it would
hesitate, and geltnly tap my foot before I finish my fool/leg stroke in a
normal speed clutch-declutch sequence. So, I now have a new master clutch
cylinder, and a new slave cylinder.  if nothing else, the almost stiff
clutch works much easier now than before. unless you are a smaller guy,
hands in particular, hire a mechanic to change the clutch master cylinder.
it resides above the clutch and brake pedals, above your feet.  means on
your back under the steering wheel, with our hands above your head!  at
least that's how I did it...  good luck... you might try trading out the
transmission slave cylinder first, but with the age of these cars, likely
never flushed (like brake systems), i'd think a good idea to change the
master cylinder to avoid a repeat performance.

----- Original Message -----
From: "robert weinberg" <centaurus3200 at>
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Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 2:58:34 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: OMG I HATE this F'ing car!!!!!


i can pull the pedal up by hand and it stays up . and i can push it back to
the floor and it stays down. it is NOT stuck. the pedal just doesn't do what
it supposed to. like operate the clutch ;-)

see ya,

From: Kent McLean <kentmclean at>
To: 200q20V mailing list <200q20v at>
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 8:02:44 AM
Subject: Re: OMG I HATE this F'ing car!!!!!

alancordeiro at wrote:
> Most likely failure with the clutch pedal stuck down is master 
> cylinder
> failure. A slave failure or hose failure would probably have the pedal
> up slowly. I once had a different failure on an earlier car (1985 5kq)
> the push-rod between the pedal and the master cylinder broke at one of the

> thinner might even be this....

And on my 200 10V, the tab on the clutch pedal itself broke. The pedal stuck
to the floor. You could pull it up by hand, and it would stay up.

Kent McLean
1999 A4 Avant, V6 Tiptronic
1991 200 TQA #3, with mods
1990 V8 w/5-speed and other mods
gone: '91 200 TQA x2, '94 100 S Avant, '89 200 TQ "Bad Puppy"

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