OMGosh I HATE this awesome car!!!!! -- What it is or isn't

robert weinberg centaurus3200 at
Tue Jul 14 20:46:43 PDT 2009

not to jinx it, but shayne just left. he took a look at the car and said "hey dude, there's this thing called brake fluid, look into it." the fluid is dirty and below the minimum. he said to get into the car and he bet the clutch pedal would be fine now. which it is! man, these german cars are like UFOs to me ;-)

of course, we can't guarantee there's nothing wrong. but he didn't see any leaks and the slave looks to be recently replaced within the last few years.

so my plan is to buy some dot 4 brake fluid, fill it to the max level and drive it down 034. them have them flush the brake fluid and bleed the system.

knocking on wood!


From: "rbade12 at" <rbade12 at>
To: jeremiah at; 200q20v at
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 3:12:04 PM
Subject: Re: OMGosh I HATE this awesome car!!!!! -- What it is or isn't

Seriously, $50?!? He must have been really, really, really tired of that car!!!!

While it's tough to deal with these cars sometimes, it's mighty sweet when they're on.

FWIW, a friend has a 2002 TT that has been having more dying, no start issues than mine's ever had. 


-----Original Message-----
From: Jeremiah Curry <jeremiah at>
To: '200q20V mailing list' <200q20v at>
Sent: Mon, Jul 13, 2009 8:05 pm
Subject: RE: OMGosh I HATE this awesome car!!!!! -- What it is or isn't

My dad just sold his to a local parts place for $50 because the transmission
went out and the shop told him they couldn't find another one.  I wanted to
smack him.  He could have got more than that out of the brand new UFOs he
just had installed.


-----Original Message-----
From: 200q20v-bounces at [mailto:200q20v-bounces at] On
Behalf Of robert weinberg
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 11:56 AM
To: 200q20V mailing list
Subject: Re: OMG I HATE this F'ing car!!!!! -- What it is or isn't

yeah i know and it's sad. there were only like 1,300 sedans and wagons in
the US? and the number keeps getting smaller every time someone yanks the 3B

go rape a URS4 and leave our 200q20v's alone ;-)

i am at a crossroads with the car myself. but i've already gone so far with
it, selling it for a gnarly loss would be both sad and relief. reason being
there are so many worries in today's economic climate, to keep funneling
funds into this "wallet vampire" is not the brightest thing to do right now.

at the same time, to lose my ass by selling and ending up with nothing is
pretty depressing too.

see ya,

From: "Schaible, David" <David.Schaible at>
To: robert weinberg <centaurus3200 at>
Cc: 200q20V mailing list <200q20v at>
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 6:38:26 AM
Subject: RE: OMG I HATE this F'ing car!!!!! -- What it is or isn't

My feeling is the oem stuff is high performance.  Sorry you are having
issues, there should be plenty of quality used parts out there since folks
have been harvesting the engines.

David Schaible
JRS Pharma LP
2981 Rt. 22
Patterson, NY 12563

-----Original Message-----
From: 200q20v-bounces at [mailto:200q20v-bounces at] On
Behalf Of Peter Schulz
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 9:29 AM
To: robert weinberg
Cc: 200q20V mailing list
Subject: Re: OMG I HATE this F'ing car!!!!! -- What it is or isn't


Let me put it this way.
Car is low mileage, but still 19 years old..
Say that again to yourself.

Then think less about the money that you have put into it, and more 
of how much getting a newer car with the same performance would cost. 
Also realize that you can buying a used car is a risk, and you need 
to thoroughly inspect the entire car, even then you won't know if the 
clutch slave or clutch master could fail tomorrow...

If you want a dependable daily driver, do all the maintenance with 
factory or oem quality parts and skip the high performance stuff.
The high performance equipment will sooner or later expose something 
basic that needs attention - like bushings, bearings, seals, etc.

You need to decide....

(no longer a 20q20v owner.)

At 01:33 PM 7/11/2009 -0700, robert weinberg wrote:
>Thanks for all the info Ingo.
>yeah, shayne and his cousin are coming by tomorrow to take a look.
>man, i'm really on the fence with this car. i know that the $2,800 i 
>paid for the car was no screaming deal. but it only had 114k on the 
>clock (116k now) but it needed some TLC. shocks were shot and the 
>paint on the roof is faded. at the same time, it has full records 
>and lots of recent service including the timing belt, new radiators 
>and hoses and UFO rotors. i figured i'd be into the car about $7k 
>with paint. that's more than the car is worth these days but it was 
>still worth it to me to not have a worn out example of the breed. 
>and i don't view the car as an investment. just a long-term fun toy 
>- not a daily driver.
>flash forward to now. the moron that installed the timing belt, 
>didn't bother to replace the roller nor the cam or crank seals. and 
>the bastard just sat parked for the better part of the last two 
>years before i bought it. so, the seals went and the roller started 
>clacking. obviously, 034 replaced the timing belt again and water 
>pump while there were in there. plus a crapload of other maintenance.
>it seems the one thing that drew me to the car - it having far less 
>miles most of the 200q20v's i was looking at, is its downfall. you 
>gotta drive these beasts. you can't just let them sit or all the 
>hoses and seals go to shit.
>coupled with mods (koni/H&R, 034 stage 1, samcos and 034 billet 
>bypass) plus new kuhmo escta SPT tires on the 17" audi B5 rims that 
>came on the car, and i'm into it about $8k including purchase. and 
>it still has crappy paint and the previously nice driver's seat 
>started ripping at the seam.
>i don't know. abort mission and take a gnarly loss? or just keep 
>forging forward. knowing that i've replaced a lot of the wear items, 
>the engine's leakdown and compression test were very solid, turbo is 
>like new according to 034. and at some point, i will have a totally 
>badass 200q20v.
>my goal (if the car would stop breaking) is the following:
>034 stage I - done
>koni/H&R - done
>034 turbo back - not yet
>tinted windows - not yet
>possibly repaint the car from lago to oceanic blue - depending if it 
>looks totally stupid when you see lago in the engine bay. oceanic is 
>such a nicer color IMHO
>finally enjoy the car!
>still seems so far off :-(
>see ya,
>From: Ingo Rautenberg <ingo.rautenberg at>
>To: 200q20v at; robert weinberg <centaurus3200 at>
>Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 12:55:08 PM
>Subject: RE: OMG I HATE this F'ing car!!!!! -- What it is or isn't
>There are basically two scenarios and one is a lot easier to fix 
>than the other.
>The first is you have an internal failure of the rubber bits in the 
>clutch master or clutch slave , and inevitably, if you replace one, 
>the other goes bad shortly thereafter or you replaced the wrong 
>one.  In my experience, however, this almost always happens after 
>you've parked the car overnight and you go to use it in the 
>morning.  The clutch pedal actuation may have been slower, less 
>precise in the days prior to this happening.
>Had this happen a few times.
>The second is what happened to me this past winter, and to which 
>Tony Hoffman alluded to:  Perfect, smooth clutch action and 
>then...huh?!? Why won't the pedal come up?  Why isn't there any resistance?
>In my case the nut for the adjustment where the pedal attaches to 
>the clutch master rod was not entirely snug against the 
>clevis.  Then (I'm guessing here), the angle of force on the rod was 
>such that it somehow became cockeyed and the rod bent and the pivot 
>hole for the clutch master clevis pin snapped!!!
>So you need to replace the pedal assembly and the clutch master in 
>this case.  Failry straight forward and you want to use a pressure 
>bleeder (like the Motive one Mike mentioned). Likeloy no need to 
>even bleed the slave (as I found out). The real bitch is getting 
>that return helper spring in there.  That's the two piece white 
>plastic one with the fairly thick spring.  I ended up using big 
>Channellock pliers to compress and strong bailing wire to keep 
>compressed enough for installation and then snipping the wires after
>Anyhow, hope it's the first scenario and not the second -- but just 
>shining a flashlight up there from underneath will pretty much tell 
>you right away what the problem is/ isn't.
>Good Luck.
>200q20v mailing list

-Peter Schulz
Chelmsford Ma, USA

1995.5 S6 Avant Emerald/Ecru
1995.5 S6 Avant Silver/Platinum
1991 90Q 20v Q Red
1991 90Q 20v Indigo
1991 CQ silver  (eS2 recipient) 

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