No start after TB????We Got Fire!!!!

alancordeiro at alancordeiro at
Thu Oct 22 20:34:40 PDT 2009


The crank turns two times for every turn of the crank shaft, and each full 
turn is exactly like any if you did as I am guessing, turn the 
crank through one complete turn, you are back where you were before. From 
what I remember, the tool was clamped on the crankshaft pulley, and the dot 
on the cam pulley was lined up on  the "V".

Not sure what fixed it......but glad its finally fixed ....

Enjoy your trip to Colorado,


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kneale Brownson" <kneale at>
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Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 10:52 PM
Subject: Re: No start after TB????We Got Fire!!!!

> Upon the insistence of one of my advisers on this task,  who maintained
> the backfire meant the crank was 180 degrees out of time with the
> camshaft, I went through the painful process of  realigning as
> suggested.  I found I could loosen the waterpump bolts just enough to
> slide it into the loose belt position without leaking coolant.  I think
> the fact I coated the block and seal with a compatible grease before
> installing the pump helped a lot.  Once reassembled, with the auxiliary
> radiator back in place, I fired right up.
> However, I did fail in my efforts to seal up the intake.  The gasket
> between the throttle body and intake manifold looked smooth and so I
> thought I'd be OK by just cleaning everything up.  First chance to get
> beyond maybe 1.3 boost, I got the big hit.   Guess I'll have to strip
> the old gasket off and apply a new one.  No time now because I'm already
> a week late in getting to Colorado, where we're heading tomorrow.
> Anyway, thanks to all who helped suggest solutions to my troubles.
> This has been a real ordeal for me.  Sunday, the 11th, I fell off the
> doorsill to my tractor cab, landing on my back five feet below.  I've
> had broken rib-type pain in my chest ever since.  X-rays showed nothing,
> but every move of my torso has been a sharp jab.  First couple days I
> couldn't do anything, and I originally was scheduled to leave last
> Thursday.  If I hadn't already taken the front off the car before my
> fall, I wouldn't have done the timing belt in this circumstance.
> Kneale Brownson wrote:
>> With a freshly charged battery this a.m., the engine would spin quickly,
>> but still no start.  I got a couple backfires and then quit.  I pulled
>> the plugs--#1 had a little fuel on it, the rest smelled of fuel (these
>> are new plugs), one through four had some black stuff on them, but #5
>> has none--looks almost like it isn't firing or isn't getting fuel, but
>> it smells of fuel.
>> I've confirmed that the plug wires follow the firing order around the
>> distributor.
>> I've rechecked the other connections in the engine bay and can't find
>> anything loose.
>> Next step, I guess, is recheck the timing belt timing.  I'm correct,
>> aren't I, that the camshaft pulley's dot only aligns with the V mark on
>> the valve cover at TDC?   Even if I'm wrong, the new belt went on with
>> the same alignment of crank and cam pulleys as the old one.
>> Can I loosen the waterpump just enough to remove the belt without losing
>> the $25 worth of Autobahn coolant I just put in?
>> Kneale Brownson wrote:
>>> Got the car buttoned up after the new timing belt ran on track (idler
>>> pulley reset straight), and I get no start.
>>> Got an almost start  before the battery, which has been sitting for
>>> several weeks, started going low.  Charged it up and used the charger
>>> boost to augment starter operation.  Engine spun a lot faster, backfired
>>> once and no start.
>>> Camshaft and crankshaft orientation remained unchanged throughout the
>>> belt replacement procedure.  Used the locker to take the bolt loose.
>>> Both cam and crank moved a degree or two when belt was untensioned, but
>>> stayed that way until I put the belt back on.  Had to move the
>>> crank--and cam--slightly to get the tool back on, but ended up with the
>>> cam pulley dot aligned the same with the arrow on the valve cover as it
>>> had been when I loosened everything.  My TDC "gauge" in the front
>>> cylinder lined up at the mark I've used on it to do several other TBs,
>>> and every time I spun the engine by hand, it still came up to the mark
>>> when the cam pulley dot lined up.
>>> The other things:  I replaced the spark plugs with new correct plugs.  I
>>> had the throttle body off to try to fix an air leak at its mating with
>>> the intake manifold I discovered earlier with a pressurized intake
>>> test.  I used some carb cleaner to get the gunk off the throttle body
>>> and intake manifold before reassembling.
>>> Suggestions?
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