No start after TB????We Got Fire!!!!

Mike Sylvester mike at
Fri Oct 23 05:24:38 PDT 2009

How could you be that far off if nothing moved during the TB
You were able to turn the crank 180 degrees without any valves hitting?


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> Subject: Re: No start after TB????We Got Fire!!!!
> From: Kneale Brownson <kneale at>
> Date: Thu, October 22, 2009 10:52 pm
> To: 200q20V mailing list <200q20v at>, quattro at
> Upon the insistence of one of my advisers on this task,  who maintained 
> the backfire meant the crank was 180 degrees out of time with the 
> camshaft, I went through the painful process of  realigning as 
> suggested.  I found I could loosen the waterpump bolts just enough to 
> slide it into the loose belt position without leaking coolant.  I think 
> the fact I coated the block and seal with a compatible grease before 
> installing the pump helped a lot.  Once reassembled, with the auxiliary 
> radiator back in place, I fired right up.
> However, I did fail in my efforts to seal up the intake.  The gasket 
> between the throttle body and intake manifold looked smooth and so I 
> thought I'd be OK by just cleaning everything up.  First chance to get 
> beyond maybe 1.3 boost, I got the big hit.   Guess I'll have to strip 
> the old gasket off and apply a new one.  No time now because I'm already 
> a week late in getting to Colorado, where we're heading tomorrow.
> Anyway, thanks to all who helped suggest solutions to my troubles.
> This has been a real ordeal for me.  Sunday, the 11th, I fell off the 
> doorsill to my tractor cab, landing on my back five feet below.  I've 
> had broken rib-type pain in my chest ever since.  X-rays showed nothing, 
> but every move of my torso has been a sharp jab.  First couple days I 
> couldn't do anything, and I originally was scheduled to leave last 
> Thursday.  If I hadn't already taken the front off the car before my 
> fall, I wouldn't have done the timing belt in this circumstance.
> Kneale Brownson wrote:
> > With a freshly charged battery this a.m., the engine would spin quickly, 
> > but still no start.  I got a couple backfires and then quit.  I pulled 
> > the plugs--#1 had a little fuel on it, the rest smelled of fuel (these 
> > are new plugs), one through four had some black stuff on them, but #5 
> > has none--looks almost like it isn't firing or isn't getting fuel, but 
> > it smells of fuel.
> >
> > I've confirmed that the plug wires follow the firing order around the 
> > distributor.
> >
> > I've rechecked the other connections in the engine bay and can't find 
> > anything loose.
> >
> > Next step, I guess, is recheck the timing belt timing.  I'm correct, 
> > aren't I, that the camshaft pulley's dot only aligns with the V mark on 
> > the valve cover at TDC?   Even if I'm wrong, the new belt went on with 
> > the same alignment of crank and cam pulleys as the old one.
> >
> > Can I loosen the waterpump just enough to remove the belt without losing 
> > the $25 worth of Autobahn coolant I just put in?
> >
> > Kneale Brownson wrote:
> >   
> >> Got the car buttoned up after the new timing belt ran on track (idler 
> >> pulley reset straight), and I get no start.
> >>
> >> Got an almost start  before the battery, which has been sitting for 
> >> several weeks, started going low.  Charged it up and used the charger 
> >> boost to augment starter operation.  Engine spun a lot faster, backfired 
> >> once and no start.
> >>
> >> Camshaft and crankshaft orientation remained unchanged throughout the 
> >> belt replacement procedure.  Used the locker to take the bolt loose.  
> >> Both cam and crank moved a degree or two when belt was untensioned, but 
> >> stayed that way until I put the belt back on.  Had to move the 
> >> crank--and cam--slightly to get the tool back on, but ended up with the 
> >> cam pulley dot aligned the same with the arrow on the valve cover as it 
> >> had been when I loosened everything.  My TDC "gauge" in the front 
> >> cylinder lined up at the mark I've used on it to do several other TBs, 
> >> and every time I spun the engine by hand, it still came up to the mark 
> >> when the cam pulley dot lined up.
> >>
> >> The other things:  I replaced the spark plugs with new correct plugs.  I 
> >> had the throttle body off to try to fix an air leak at its mating with 
> >> the intake manifold I discovered earlier with a pressurized intake 
> >> test.  I used some carb cleaner to get the gunk off the throttle body 
> >> and intake manifold before reassembling.
> >>
> >> Suggestions?
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