[ba] Intro; quattro seeks abuse
JShadzi at aol.com
JShadzi at aol.com
Fri Oct 19 23:32:02 EDT 2001
I agree, but it also depends what one wants to accomplish. If one wanted to
do a turbo swap to maintain factory integrity, and leave it relatively
unmodified, then using all the stock MC pieces is a good way to go. But, it
is not necessarily the only or the best way to do it. A much more simple
swap, using the stock fuel system and ignition will give very good results,
and reliable too. The original poster, whose car was pretty..well...used if
you will, I wouldn't recommend he spend that much effort on a car in that
condition anyway, the basic turbo swap would more than suffice for his needs.
Also, the thing about Knock sensing ignition, it is not a tuning device, its
a saftey device. So, if a car is tuned properly, with the right octane fuel
and fuel/timing settings, a knock sensor should not be needed. Remember,
many aftermarket EFI systems such as Haltech don't include knock sensing,
they feel its a bandaid that covers up poor initial tuning. Of course, knock
sensing is a great device, my own car has it, but it is not necessary to have
a good performing car.
Again, its not that the full MC swap is not the best way for certain
circumstances, I just don't think one should limit themselves to the factory
MC system, which is becoming more and more outdated these days, and very
limiting for applications much over 230hp or so. Of course, my car is an
extreme of this sentiment, with hardly anything original anymore.
In a message dated 10/19/2001 12:11:32 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
quattrodave at yahoo.com writes:
<< I echo Steve's comments re: plopping in an MC instead
of doing an aftermarket turbo.
Over the years, I have driven many add-on turbo kits.
They all suffer from one malady or another. In
general, they do not have the driveability of a
"genuine" turbo motor. One of the major differences
is that the MC engines included knock sensors, so Audi
could do a bit of boost push safely. Even up through
1987, the N/A 5 cyl in the 4000Q had no knock sensor.
And AFAIK, none of the aftermarket turbo kits included
one. The other thing you need to consider very
carefully is whether you want to add a turbo to your
how old I5?
The 2Bennett $8000 upgrade includes an OVERHAULED
turbomotor. For $2k more, you can even get the 20V.
Those were the prices last time I spoke with them.
I saw one of the upgrades they did. You'd never know
the car wasn't a turbo stock. I have a few modified
cars here, and my experience says that if the car
appears as if it probably came that way, you'll pass
smog. I even have a car with headers, two cats & twin
pipes, where stock was a single exhaust and single
cat. They don't question it. I'm convinced it's
because I did not go with bright shiny pipes - the
headers are just a tad rusty, as are the cats.
I can't answer the question about events. The time I
might spend on rallies and the like is all spent
renovating the only house in the county that I could
afford that wasn't in a neighborhood where I was
afraid I'd get shot at. Unfortunately I guessed wrong
on that last bit, having been shot at a few days
ago!!! Thankfully it was a nominally benign weapon,
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