[BiturboS4] Rumor(s) Behind The New S4

billbachman at att.net billbachman at att.net
Thu Sep 26 13:29:53 EDT 2002


I think your comments are spot on.  Particularly the pricing issue.

There is something to be said re: the "V8" issue - the torque & HP being RI=
THERE IN YOUR FACE.  Don't have to wait even a microsecond for it to "spool=

Prices will go down for current S4's, so just enjoy 'em.

> Matt,
> I think u missed a crtitcal point in your response to my statement. The p=
oint is
> QUANTITY. The 2.7TT was a mass produced car, and when it the NA shores, i=
t did
> decrease the value of other Audi cars that seemed to be stable until the =
> came along. From what I heard, Audi NA does NOT plan to sell V8TTs (RS6
> sedans/avants) in significant numbers. In fact, there will be significant=
ly less
> RS6s hitting NA shores than 2.7TT S4s.
> The other factor is economic. If the RS6 is being positioned by Audi NA a=
> the M5 sedan, then a significant amount of the Audi (performance oriented=
> buying mkt will be LEFT OUT.
> Thus, the only option for those who want the panache of owning a TT, or t=
> "smack u back into your seat feeling" of driving a (twin) Turbo will have=
> other option than a MY 2000-2002 S4.
> In my opinion, these factors will keep the value of the MY 2000-2002 S4s =
> stable. Remember, for basically $1k, I can purchase a chip and get nearly=
 the > same performance of the NEW 8 cyl non-turbo S4. If I make exhaust up=
grades too,
> I can probably exceed the specs of the NEW 8 cyl non turbo S4 for about $=
4k. Why
> would I pay a premium (over the MSRP of a 2.7T S4) of $8-$10k for a NEW S=
4? It
> offers NO significant performance upgrades over the 2.7TT S4. Anyone will=
ing to
> spend $45k+ for that car (the NEW S4), needs a lobotomy, in my opinion.
> I think the NEW S4 is a mistake.Your money would be better spent trying to
> purchase an RS6 (good luck due to the limited importation to NA), or the =
> generation BMW M3 (rumored to be an 8 cyl), which should have BETTER spec=
s than
> the NEW 8 cyl S4 for the premium (in MSRP) that u will be paying. I think=
> should have positioned the RS6 to compete with the new BMW M3 and have an=
> compete against the M5. That is how I would have positioned things in Nor=
> America (NA).
> In fact, during our conversation, the sales guys at my local Audi > deale=
r(reluctantly) agreed with me on those points. At the end of the day, basic
> economics (supply/demand) and marketing (making buyers believe that the n=
> model is inherently superior to the existing model - I believe that Audi =
> on this point with the NEW 8 cyl S4) controls the value of an automobile.
> jy
> Matt twentyV <matt_20v at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> I recently bought out the lease on my 00 S4, and
> >> now I am glad that I did.
> >> The biturbo S4 will soon become a limited
> >> production run (2000-2002) and
> >> its value should remain the same or possibly
> >> increase due to limited
> >> inventory
> >> Just wanted to pass this tidbit along.
> >>
> >I think an examination of history would suggest
> >otherwise. =A0Take for instance, the '92-'95 ur-S4.
> >In late '99 prior to the 2.7TT S4 reaching the US,
> >the urS4's were running $22-25k for clean stock
> >examples (I was seriously considering one before
> >deciding to take the plunge for the new one). =A0Once
> >the 2.7TT started shipping here, prices on the old
> >ones plunged. =A0Today, clean examples can be found for
> >$12-15k. =A0And the inventory of the urS4 is much
> >smaller- fewer than 3000 were sold (source-
> >http://www.urs4.com). =A0I can't find any reference
> >to actual quantities of the new S4, but I remember
> >seeing numbers in the 10's of thousands. =A0(If anyone
> >has a link to actual figures, please post it).
> >
> >Even the extremely rare '95.5 S6 Avant can now be
> >found for around $20k, whereas they were closer
> >to 30k prior to the new S4 and S6 Avants shipping
> >here.
> >
> >So my guess is that prices on our beloved V6 biturbos
> >will drop when the new V8TT hits our shores. =A0I don't
> >like it either, but thats life. =A0Just drive your
> >car and enjoy it.
> >
> >Matt Rooke
> >'91cq- 5cyl engine NLA
> >'00S4- V6tt soon to be NLA
> >
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