[BiturboS4] Rumor(s) Behind The New S4

S Stiles stiles_s at hotmail.com
Thu Sep 26 11:42:32 EDT 2002

FWIW, my wife's '00S4's warranty is running out next summer, at which time
we'll be dumping the ticking time bomb :), and the v8S4 is high on our list.
I'm one of those 'muricans that grew up on V8 torque. I think the new S4
will be a blast.

Another angle I'm considering is M3 vs 996-C2. If anybody has opinions on
this, let em fly.


>From: billbachman at att.net
>To: jysap at cs.com
>CC: biturbos4 at audifans.com
>Subject: Re: [BiturboS4] Rumor(s) Behind The New S4 Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002
>12:29:53 +0000
>I think your comments are spot on.  Particularly the pricing issue.
>There is something to be said re: the "V8" issue - the torque & HP being
>THERE IN YOUR FACE.  Don't have to wait even a microsecond for it to "spool
>Prices will go down for current S4's, so just enjoy 'em.
> > Matt,
> >
> > I think u missed a crtitcal point in your response to my statement. The
>point is
> > QUANTITY. The 2.7TT was a mass produced car, and when it the NA shores,
>it did
> > decrease the value of other Audi cars that seemed to be stable until the
> > came along. From what I heard, Audi NA does NOT plan to sell V8TTs (RS6
> > sedans/avants) in significant numbers. In fact, there will be
>significantly less
> > RS6s hitting NA shores than 2.7TT S4s.
> >
> > The other factor is economic. If the RS6 is being positioned by Audi NA
> > the M5 sedan, then a significant amount of the Audi (performance
> > buying mkt will be LEFT OUT.
> >
> > Thus, the only option for those who want the panache of owning a TT, or
> > "smack u back into your seat feeling" of driving a (twin) Turbo will
>have no
> > other option than a MY 2000-2002 S4.
> >
> > In my opinion, these factors will keep the value of the MY 2000-2002 S4s
> > stable. Remember, for basically $1k, I can purchase a chip and get
>nearly the > same performance of the NEW 8 cyl non-turbo S4. If I make
>exhaust upgrades too,
> > I can probably exceed the specs of the NEW 8 cyl non turbo S4 for about
>$4k. Why
> > would I pay a premium (over the MSRP of a 2.7T S4) of $8-$10k for a NEW
>S4? It
> > offers NO significant performance upgrades over the 2.7TT S4. Anyone
>willing to
> > spend $45k+ for that car (the NEW S4), needs a lobotomy, in my opinion.
> >
> > I think the NEW S4 is a mistake.Your money would be better spent trying
> > purchase an RS6 (good luck due to the limited importation to NA), or the
> > generation BMW M3 (rumored to be an 8 cyl), which should have BETTER
>specs than
> > the NEW 8 cyl S4 for the premium (in MSRP) that u will be paying. I
>think Audi
> > should have positioned the RS6 to compete with the new BMW M3 and have
>an RS8
> > compete against the M5. That is how I would have positioned things in
> > America (NA).
> >
> > In fact, during our conversation, the sales guys at my local Audi >
>dealer(reluctantly) agreed with me on those points. At the end of the day,
> > economics (supply/demand) and marketing (making buyers believe that the
> > model is inherently superior to the existing model - I believe that Audi
> > on this point with the NEW 8 cyl S4) controls the value of an
> >

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