[BiturboS4] Re: BiturboS4 digest, Vol 1 #234 - 7 msgs
jwashing at worldnet.att.net
Wed Jan 15 07:18:37 EST 2003
To follow up on Carter's question, has anyone in California (lower octane
super unleaded than many states) heard anything about the OCT tuning chips
that Stratmosphere now sells?
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> 4. Anyone have Abt chip? (California Fields)
> 5. Re: Leather care... (Walter J Green Jr)
> 6. Re: Anyone have Abt chip? (Eric Fletcher S.O.C.)
> 7. Re: Anyone have Abt chip? (mike kuriger)
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> Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 16:29:41 -0500 (EST)
> From: "Nicholas Mistry" <nick at mistry.com>
> To: <biturbos4 at audifans.com>
> Subject: [BiturboS4] Leather care...
> Just wonering if anyone had any suggestions on caring for the leather in
> our S4's. I know audi sells a leather care kit, but i would guess its
> overpriced for what it is.
> Any suggestions for products or techniques?
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> From: "Witte, Michael" <michael.witte at spcorp.com>
> To: "'Nicholas Mistry'" <nick at mistry.com>, biturbos4 at audifans.com
> Subject: RE: [BiturboS4] Leather care...
> Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 16:47:07 -0500
> Lexol (sp?!?!)
> Gotten it from: www.carcareonline.com
> Great service and very detailed information.
> Workx much better than the Audi leather care kit. Its a lot of work, two
> bottles cost together soemthing like $20, but the result is very much
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> Subject: Re: [BiturboS4] Leather care...
> From: "Brian @ TouchTech Systems" <brian at touchtechsystems.com>
> To: Nicholas Mistry <nick at mistry.com>, <biturbos4 at audifans.com>
> Brian Presser '01 S4
> Audis Northwest Club Activities Director
> TouchTech Systems, Inc.
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> > From: "Nicholas Mistry" <nick at mistry.com>
> > Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 16:29:41 -0500 (EST)
> > To: <biturbos4 at audifans.com>
> > Subject: [BiturboS4] Leather care...
> > Just wonering if anyone had any suggestions on caring for the leather in
> > our S4's. I know audi sells a leather care kit, but i would guess its
> > overpriced for what it is.
> > Any suggestions for products or techniques?
> > thanks
> > -N
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> From: "California Fields" <cfields72 at hotmail.com>
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> Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 13:47:20 -0800
> Subject: [BiturboS4] Anyone have Abt chip?
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> Is anyone running the Abt chip in their S4? If so, how do you like it and
> have you compared it to the GIAC or MTM?
> Thanks, Carter.
> Carter Fields, San Francisco
> 2001.5, GIAC-X, Miltek 3" cat-back, Strat. shifter, Strat. DVs, A-pillar
> >From: "S Stiles"
> >To: ian at codrus.com, biturbos4 at audifans.com
> >Subject: [BiturboS4] More on "synthetic" & why most are no longer full
> >Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 12:55:37 -0800
> >More on "synthetic". Long, but good reading.
> >Is Your Synthetic Motor Oil Really Synthetic?
> >There is a disturbing trend in the oil industry that is misleading
> >consumers. That trend is the playing of word games with the use of
> >word =93synthetic=94 on motor oil labels.
> >The following article is a reprint from the August 2000 issue of
> >=93Lubricants World=94, an oil industry trade magazine. This information
> >usually not available to most consumers.
> >Subject: Article in Lubricants World August 2000 by Katherine Bui
> >Marketers Take Advantage of =93Synthetic=94 Ruling
> >Last year, Castrol (Swingdon, U.K.) and Mobil (Fairfax, VA) brought
> >debate over what is =93synthetic=94 into view, as Mobil challenged
> >replacement of polyalphaolephins (PAOs) with hydroisomerized waxes
> >their synthetic formulations. Exactly one year after the National
> >Advertising Division (NAD) of the Council of Better Business
> >ruling in April 1999, upholding Castrol=92s position that wax
> >could be called synthetic, Petro-Canada (Toronto) advertised it
> >would be
> >referring to its very high viscosity index (VHVI) basestocks as a
> >synthetic in the North American market. These products fall into the
> >same API group (Group III) as wax isomerates, but could vary
> >significantly in quality from wax isomerates. This market roar by
> >Petro-Canada has carried a quiet undertone of moves from PAO to VHVI
> >technology by several engine oil marketers.
> >The definition of synthetics aside, cost factors and performance
> >continue to drive marketers to carefully asses the use of PAOs and
> >III stocks (VHVIs). In the past year, several marketers have made
> >jump from PAOs to VHVI-based =93synthetics.=94 VHVIs cost approximately
> >what PAOs do and, according to VHVI producers, perform at a level
> >comparable to PAOs in formulated oils. Yet, Mobil 1, which has the
> >strongest hold on the synthetic market (estimated by one analyst at
> >60.4%) and factory-fill contracts with Corvette and Porsche,
> >to dominate the overall synthetic market with its PAO technology. On
> >other hand, Castrol, whose market share of Syntec synthetic oil was
> >virtually nonexistent 6 years ago, now has more than 20% of the
> >Even ExxonMobil could not resist the appeal of competitive pricing.
> >released a new synthetic blend that combines PAO technology with a
> >=93high-quality conventional oil=94 in February.
> >If the market projections are any indicator, simply using the word
> >=93synthetic=94 in any shape or fashion may guarantee a piece of the
> >Synthetics and semi-synthetics make up only a niche 3%-6% of the
> >automotive oil market (June LW, p.30). ExxonMobil holds the largest
> >share in the market, followed by Castrol, Pennzoil-Quaker State, and
> >Demand, however is expected to grow 5.7% per year, to 115 million
> >gallons in 2003, because of increased desire for high-performance
> >products, longer drain intervals, and lower emission formulations,
> >according to estimates from The Freedonia Group (Cleveland).
> >However, at
> >least on market analysis says the consumer=92s lack of knowledge about
> >synthetics and the higher cost of the finished product compared with
> >conventional oil are not conductive to growth. The overall
> >motor oil market is projected to remain flat.
> >Making the Move from PAO to VHVI
> >Current market trends, cost, and the =93open-door=94 policy established
> >the NAD ruling have attracted a number of marketers this past year
> >the VHVI technology and use of the term =93synthetic.=94
> >Castrol=92s substitution of wax isomerates for PAO after December 1997
> >the basis of the contoversal ruling by the NAD regarding the
> >use of the word =93synthetics.=94 But with its buyout by BP Amoco,
> >may have to re-evaluate the components of its formulation relative
> >the value of supply chain. BP has been one of the larger refiners
> >producers of PAO. LW was unable to obtain comments from Castrol at
> >However, BP Amoco Chemicals=92 Joe Svoboda, PAO market manager, says,
> >=93Castrol has basically been set up as a stand alone business unit
> >BP. Its position on Group III vs. Group IV will be based on what is
> >for its business.=94 He notes that =93Castrol is a leading global
> >of high-performance lubricants. Its position on PAO likely differs
> >region to region =96 particularly in Europe, where stringent lubricant
> >performance requirements often mandate the use of PAO.=94
> >Brent Lok, production manager for base oils at Chevron Products Co.
> >Ramon, CA), says, =93We struggle with a similar situation in that we
> >produce both PAOs and VHVIs. However, I think that the marketplace
> >dictates the operations, and the companies often have very little
> >in the matter.=94
> >Valvoline (Lexington, KY), which declines to detail the type of base
> >technology it uses, continues to advertise its VR1 Racing Synthetic
> >Motor Oil as a =93blend of thermally stable base oils.=94
> >VHVI refiners such as Chevron Products, which holds the licensing
> >to the hydroisomerization technology (Isodewaxing), says they have
> >an increase in sales of Group IIIs based on =93cost/performance
> >=93We have seen a huge upswing in the sales activity of our Group III
> >oils that could be measured in folds,=94 says Lok. =93Even with
> >sales activity, many in the industry are still in a gestation
> >where additive companies along with researchers are tinkering with
> >packages and formulations to address this switch.=94 He says the big
> >driver for change is the cost/value tradeoff in all synthetic
> >segments. Specifically in the passenger car motor oil (PCMO)
> >GF-3 offers a window of opportunity for formulators to reevaluate
> >basestock choices because reformulation will be necessary to meet
> >new performance specifications, he says.
> >Pennzoil-Quaker State (Houston) Product Manager James Newson told LW
> >during an interview 2 months ago that the company is currently using
> >PAOs to formulate its full synthetic. =93Since the beginning of this
> >issue, we have looked at every option at a very detailed level.=94 He
> >says. =93And we have found some of the nonconventional synthetics very
> >76 Lubricants (Costa Mesa, CA), a marketer of synthetics both in the
> >PCMO and industrial oil segments of the industry, currently produces
> >=93limited slate of synthetics=94 formulated with PAOs. However the
> >admits, research into the use of VHVI in ongoing. =93We will likely be
> >offering such products in the near future,=94 says Steve Tarbox, 76
> >Lubricants=92 product manager for engine oils and automatic
> >fluids (ATFs). =93Moving some existing product formulations from PAO
> >Group III basestocks always requires additional testing to both
> >with any product licensing requirements (engine oils and ATFs for
> >example) and also to provide existing customers the assurance and
> >documentation that familiar products still provide the full range of
> >performance benefits they have come to know and expect from their
> >synthetic lubricant.=94 Tarbox says adherence to American Petroleum
> >Institute (API; Washington) and ATF licensing practices also
> >76 Lubricants from making changes in certain product families
> >assuming significant test costs.
> >Petro-Canada, which initiated the recent public marketing of VHVI
> >synthetics, announced on June 8 that it had completed the testing
> >its specialty base fluid in a 5W-40 grade engine oil. The test was
> >conducted on a formulation designed to meet the VW 502/505
> >specification, with 30% VHVI in place of PAO basestock.
> >=93With this new certification, we offer blenders an alternative
> >base fluid that provides increased performance at a less expensive
> >price,=94 says Henry Fuchs, marketing manager for specialty base
> >and automotive lubricants at Petro-Canada. Fuchs says the company
> >continue to develop products that will meet specifications in
> >As part of its claims, Petro-Canada says the company uses =93the
> >patented HT Severe Hydrocracking, Hydroisomerization and
> >process to produce the clear, colorless base fluid that is 99.9%
> >and highly isoparaffinic.=94 The company also says the =93high-quality=94
> >oil minimizes the effects of aromatics, sulfur, and nitrogen
> >removed, and balances a high viscosity index with low temperature
> >fluidity and oxidative and thermal stability. At press time, LW had
> >unable to obtain a comment from Petro-Canada about marketing
> >for its new product.
> >=93I don=92t expect we will see the lubricant marketers advertising
> >components of the synthetic as we see here,=94 says Lok. =93Marketers
> >more interested in marketing the performance and their brand.=94
> >Mobil 1, whose PAO technology was one of the many trade secrets that
> >changed hands during the merger between Exxon and Mobil, remains
> >to PAOs. However, even ExxonMobil could not resist the appeal of
> >competitive pricing. It released a new synthetic blend that combines
> >PAO technology with a =93high-quality conventional oil=94 in February of
> >this year.
> >=93Since Mobil has the most experience with the PAO technology, their
> >ability to manufacture a blended, semi-synthetic product would
> >offer them some advantage in the automotive market,=94 says Jerry
> >president of Lubrication Consultant and Lubrecon (Houston). LW was
> >unable to obtain comment from ExxonMobil about its PAO technology by
> >press time.
> >Mark Pernik, global business manager for Chevron Chemical Company
> >says his company has not seen PAOs displaced out of PCMO
> >though he admits Chevron Chemical is not a big player in the PCMO
> >market. =93Still, the VWT4 standard in Europe has demonstrated that
> >sales have not skewed and have in fact increased in position,=94 says
> >In addition, BP Amoco Chemicals=92 Svoboda says, =93We have seen some
> >tempering of growth for PAO in North America. We attribute this to
> >increasing availability of Group IIIs. However, on an international
> >level, PAO demand continues to grow at a rapid pace. PAO in Europe
> >more than double that of North America. Europe continues to be a
> >growth engine for PAO. This is based on the European OEM (original
> >equipment manufacturer) drive for higher performance and by
> >environmental considerations, such as emission reduction and
> >drain intervals.=94 He agrees with Pernik that the PAO market remains
> >strong in Europe and that eventually the rest of the world will
> >the higher performance requirements established there.
> >The primary downside to the NAD ruling and any resulting replacement
> >PAOs with VHVIs, says Svoboda, =93is that North American PCMO
> >will not be getting the higher quality performance level offered by
> >PAO. Despite claims of equivalent performance, PAO continues to
> >its superior performance over Group IIIs under extreme operating
> >conditions, particularly with regard to low-temperature performance
> >high-temperature oxidative stability.=94
> >Yet, when LW asked several industry experts about the NAD ruling,
> >feelings regarding market effects were mixed (LW, Oct. 1999, p. 30;
> >1999, p. 35). A Castrol representative then stated the VHVIs would
> >competitive with PAOs and that the consumer would benefit from that
> >A PAO expert disagreed, saying the NAD decision would have minimal
> >impact on the formulation of synthetics. =93The quality of Group III
> >products in inconsistent, and their physical properties are
> >from one manufacturer to the next,=94 he says. If the industry heads
> >the direction of replacing PAO with VHVI, he says, =93consumers will
> >misled and the high margin niche that has been developed by
> >synthetics will erode.=94
> >Barrett Cupples, a consulting scientist who worked with PAOs at
> >Chemical for 20 years, cautions marketers against directly switching
> >from PAOs to VHVIs without adequate testing. =93According to API base
> >guide lines, Group III stocks may not simply be substituted for PAOs
> >motor oil formulation,=94 he says. =93Any switch will require extensive
> >testing to ensure that the final product fully meets the
> >requirements of
> >that lubricant.=94
> >Further downstream, the players in the synthetic PCMO market =96
> >Pannzoil-Quaker State, and Valvoline =96 have each released
> >and new blends in the past several months. The reason for this
> >according to one industry market analysis, is the competitive nature
> >the market, the projection for market growth, and the re-awakening
> >cost savings in blends.
> >=93Though synthetics will exhibit strong growth through the end of the
> >20th century,=94 says The Freedonia Group, =93higher prices in
> >comparison to
> >traditional petroleum-based products, as well as competition from
> >lubricants formed from hydrocracking processing, will limit their
> >however, the introduction of synthetic blends will help offset the
> >disadvantage of synthetics as blends offer higher performance than
> >conventional lubricants at a lower cost than full synthetics.=94
> >Retail shelf prices have remained constant despite changes in
> >formulation. Mass merchandise shelf prices for synthetic PCMOs
> >between $3 and $4 per quart. In the first quarter, the price for a
> >of Mobil 1 synthetic was approximately $4.09. The cost of Valvoline
> >SynPower was slightly higher, at $4.22.
> >=93At an average price point of $3.89 per quart for full-synthetic
> >these products attract a small segment of users,=94 says Larry Solomon
> >Valvoline. =93Past trends indicate that the full-synthetic market is a
> >small segment. There is no reason to believe that this will change
> >the future.=94
> >Lok points out the synthetic lubricant market is relatively price
> >insensitive. =93The customers in this market are more willing to pay
> >the value of the product, despite the cost,=94 he says. =93In contrast,
> >PCMO suppliers are continually looking for cost efficiencies in
> >production, as long as it comes with no sacrifice to product
> >Industrial Synthetics Seek Extreme Operating Conditions
> >Trends in demand in the industrial sector for synthetics differ from
> >those in the automotive oil market because of increasing requests
> >higher performance and specialty products. According to The
> >Group, the bulk of the synthetic market is composed of industrial
> >lubricants and demand for synthetic industrial lubricants is
> >forecast to
> >increase 4.8% annually, to 72 million gallons in 2003.
> >This growth has Equilon (Houston) focusing its synthetic marketing
> >the industrial market. Earl Blanchette told LW 2 months ago the
> >saw a bigger growth in the industrial market for synthetics. The
> >company, as reported, introduced several new products within the
> >year, including a new compressor oil.
> >Because of the drive for energy efficiency, extended drains, and
> >environmental factors in this sector, marketers of industrial
> >will have to pay closer attention to the performance factors in
> >formulation, perhaps with more emphasis than in the automotive
> >Industrial synthetic oils currently us a variety of base oils, such
> >PAOs, diesters, polyalkylene glycols (PAGs), and phosphate esters,
> >others. In hydraulic applications, circulating oils, and turbine
> >some industrial oil producers are looking at VHVI as a replacement
> >for PAO.
> >Lok says, however, that increased activity in this market also shows
> >that the switch from PAOs and VHVIs is happening. =93Over the last
> >sales of Group III basestocks at Chevron Products have increased,
> >particularly into a wide variety of industrial oil applications.=94
> >Much, if any, move from PAOs to VHVIs in industrial synthetics may
> >depend on the oxidation stability factor. =93If the high-VI stocks can
> >obtain the oxidation stability of a PAO with a comparable
> >performance, I
> >think the industrial segment would really consider that type of base
> >as a replacement for conventional synthetics, especially when you
> >the lower cost factor,=94 says Shelby. =93However, I just don=92t see
> >making as big a splash in the industrial segment as synthetics. They
> >will evolve into the market but will not be marketed in the same way
> >synthetics are in the automotive sector=94 He suggests consumers in
> >climates will be more willing to accept the VHVI formulation if they
> >have viscometrics similar to those of true synthetics.
> >But industrial synthetics in general have not had the type of
> >that automotive synthetics have had, according to Shelby. =93The
> >synthetics would only be a factor for those applications where
> >life, high temperature, and reduced downtime are big factors,=94 he
> >=93They don=92t have as much of a foothold in the industrial market as
> >Mobil, which formulates with PAOs, diesters, and PAGs, does have the
> >larger foothold in the market, with its full line of gear oils,
> >circulating oils, and hydraulic oils. Houghton International (Valley
> >Forge, PA) also produces a glycol-based synthetic hydraulic fluid
> >(Houghsaf) that competes with the Mobil poduct.
> >Fire safety is a big issue in the hydraulic market, emphasizing
> >flash point and fire point.
> >Another area of focus is the environment, which Equilon is
> >in its marketing of vegetable-based synthetics. Likewise, reported
> >Chemical Engineering in July, American Synthol (Roswell, GA) is
> >marketing its New Technology Synthetic Base (NTSB) stock by boasting
> >that it is more biodegradable and thermally stable than PAO.
> >to Joe Green, president of American Synthol. NTSB can be formulated
> >be comparable to PAO by using improved stabilizers.
> >The synthetic market in general has seen an active year of new
> >new product releases, and formulation changes. It remains a market
> >stricken by discrepancies in market share, cost, and growth, but the
> >word =93synthetic=94 retains the image of higher performance and product
> >development. Just as divided as the debate, market analysts are torn
> >projections for growth and whether a big push for growth is
> >given the size of the segment. There is little doubt that a trend is
> >appearing in the synthetic market, but where that trend will go
> >to be seen.
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> From: "Walter J Green Jr" <vr6pilot at hotmail.com>
> To: nick at mistry.com, biturbos4 at audifans.com
> Subject: Re: [BiturboS4] Leather care...
> Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 21:19:20 -0500
> >Just wonering if anyone had any suggestions on caring for the leather in
> >our S4's. I know audi sells a leather care kit, but i would guess its
> >overpriced for what it is.
> >Any suggestions for products or techniques?
> I use a Meguires or Mothers leather conditioner product. off the shelf at
> most auto stores. do it every six months, i do.
> treats the leather well, it does.
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> Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 19:33:20 -0800
> Subject: Re: [BiturboS4] Anyone have Abt chip?
> From: "Eric Fletcher S.O.C." <steadi at attbi.com>
> To: California Fields <cfields72 at hotmail.com>,
> <biturbos4 at audifans.com>
> On 1/14/03 13:47, "California Fields" <cfields72 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Is anyone running the Abt chip in their S4? If so, how do you like it
> > have you compared it to the GIAC or MTM?
> Abt and MTM are in the same league, then there is everyone else under
> You have to ask yourself this question, Why does giac and apr etal make
> buy a program for 100 octane gas when the Abt and MTM boxes will auto
> to the increased octane....
> Eric Fletcher SOC
> Steadicam/"A" Camera Operator
> Los Angeles, CA USA
> Steadi at attbi.com
> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 00:13:55 -0800
> From: mike kuriger <michael at isuzu-mods.com>
> To: "Eric Fletcher S.O.C." <steadi at attbi.com>
> Cc: California Fields <cfields72 at hotmail.com>, biturbos4 at audifans.com
> Subject: Re: [BiturboS4] Anyone have Abt chip?
> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> I would steer clear of anything claiming to auto-adapt. if that is the
> case, it must continually be advancing the timing to the point of
> detactable and damaging detonation only to back the timing off again.
> several pre-set programs is the way to go :-D
> Eric Fletcher S.O.C. wrote:
> >On 1/14/03 13:47, "California Fields" <cfields72 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>Is anyone running the Abt chip in their S4? If so, how do you like it
> >>have you compared it to the GIAC or MTM?
> >Abt and MTM are in the same league, then there is everyone else under
> >You have to ask yourself this question, Why does giac and apr etal make
> >buy a program for 100 octane gas when the Abt and MTM boxes will auto
> >to the increased octane....
> >Eric Fletcher SOC
> >Steadicam/"A" Camera Operator
> >Los Angeles, CA USA
> >Steadi at attbi.com
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