[BiturboS4] Greetings and looking for TSB's

Derek Cheuk dcheuk1 at hotmail.com
Mon Jan 27 21:12:48 EST 2003

While what you are saying certainly makes personal fiscal sense, many on the
list would have trouble with it ethically.  Some feel that if you take a
product, modify it and expose it to stresses that have not been tested by
the company, the company should not be responsible if it blows up because
that's not the intent of the warranty.  It only makes for more expensive
cars down the line for everyone.  I'm not judging here but everyone has
their personal gray area.  I, for example, may have exaggerated the amount
of noise my brakes were making at my recent 50k visit knowing that their
threshold for replacing my rotors and pads was low.  They did.


2001 Black S4 6speed 51k miles

>From: "California Fields" <cfields72 at hotmail.com>
>To: biturbos4 at audifans.com
>Subject: RE: [BiturboS4] Greetings and looking for TSB's
>Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 12:20:28 -0800
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>Am I the only one who has the complete OPPOSITE view about mods and
>warranties?  My view is that you should modify the heck out of your car as
>EARLY as possible (after, of course, a small breakin period).  When you
>something break, the warranty will replace everything free of charge -
>provided you have switched back to "stock" condition for any "related"
>For example, I put a GIAC chip, Miltek exhaust and diverter valves in my S4
>9k miles. I drive it smartly but hard. I figure, if the turbo is going to
>blow, I'd rather have it blow BEFORE my warranty expires so that I can have
>Audi replace it at their cost instead of AFTER the warranty expires when I
>would pay for it myself.  I'll just swap the stock chip back if I need such
>service (I can also swap back the diverter valves in 15 minutes).
>Am I missing something?
>Carter Fields, San Francisco
>2001.5, GIAC-X, Miltek 3" cat-back, Strat. shifter, Strat. DVs, A-pillar
> >From: "John M. Harrison"
> >To: ian at codrus.com
> >CC: jy , mbenno at yahoo.com, biturbos4 at audifans.com
> >Subject: RE: [BiturboS4] Greetings and looking for TSB's
> >Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 10:21:42 -0700
> >
> >Words of wisdom, Ian. I agree fully while my car is under warranty.
> >After its fully paid for and off warranty I may consider mods and
> >replacement of problem parts with aftermarket. I've enjoyed having and
> >highly recommend the Vag-Com software and a Bentley factory service
> >manual on CD. I've learned a lot about my car with these tools and can
> >see immediately what is going on when the check engine dash indicator
> >lights up.
> >
> >Wishing all a wonderful weekend. Enjoy your S4s - they are awesome
> >machines - even stock.
> >
> >Any recent news on the RS6 sedans? Anyone seen one for sale on a dealer
> >lot? The Audi USA website doesn't say much about them except that they
> >are limited availability. I suppose if you have to ask you can't afford
> >it. Still - a second mortgage on the house might do the trick :)
> >
> >John M. Harrison Laramie, WY two recent S-cars in town - I spotted a
> >new S6 Avant silver like my S4 - very sweet
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Ian McCloghrie [mailto:ian at codrus.com]
> >Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 5:56 PM
> >To: John M. Harrison
> >Cc: jy; mbenno at yahoo.com; biturbos4 at audifans.com
> >Subject: Re: [BiturboS4] Greetings and looking for TSB's
> >
> >
> >On Jan 23, 2003 "John M. Harrison" wrote:
> > > I have not received the Engine Cooling Fan Shield recall letter.
> > > Perhaps this doesn't apply to later build date cars. The other items
> > > are not "recalls" in my view precisely because they are "silent."
> > > Common maintenance items, perhaps.
> >
> >They are not recalls at all, they are TSBs.
> >
> >A recall is a situation in which the manufacturer decides (or is
> >forced by the government) to fix a problem in EVERY car. They send
> >out letters to registered owners, and flag it in the computer system
> >so that whenever a car comes in for service that recall will be done.
> >This is usually done for safety or emissions-type problems -- the
> >kinds of things that the government cares about. It's rarely done for
> >mechanical failures. A recall is fixed at the manufacturer's expense,
> >regardless of how many miles are on the car.
> >
> >The fan shroud issue is a recall because it is a safety issue --
> >Audi is worried about their mechanics getting hands/fingers/etc caught
> >in the fan, so they designed a new part to better protect that area.
> >
> >A TSB is not a recall, it is simply a notification to the dealership
> >mechanics of a problem that seems to be common, and a recommended
> >solution. It doesn't admit fault or imply any coverage other than
> >that given by the standard warranty.
> >
> > > My question is - exactly what action do you propose to take based on
> > > these common maintenance items. Do you recommend complaining about
> >all
> > > of them to your dealer even if there are no symptoms? Do you propose
> > > replacing all maintenance-prone parts with aftermarket and risk
> >voiding
> > > factory warranty provisions?
> >
> >Keep an eye on them. If they manifest on your car within the warranty
> >period, mention them on your next service visit and they'll almost
> >certainly be fixed without question or charge. If they occur after the
> >warranty period, then you have to decide if you're going to pay for
> >factory parts or aftermarket ones.
> >
> >Just got my S4 back from the dealer today -- they replaced valve cover
> >gaskets (leaking), replaced driver's seat heaters (broken) and installed
> >a
> >new clutch. Apparantly my battery case cracked (!) and the drain tube
> >got
> >dislodged and it dripped battery acid (!) onto the bellhousing, through
> >a drain hole, and onto the clutch friction surface, thus messing it up.
> >
> >--Ian
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