[BiturboS4] ethics, etc.
erhti at yahoo.com
Wed Jan 29 17:00:03 EST 2003
Look guys.. No offense meant, nor taken.. I concede that, yes,
it is unethical to mod, then lie to dealer--no doubt.. But spare
me the 'value-judgements' made here, please.. because in the
scheme, trust me, we're 'all' guilty of one thing or another.
And if you'd like to continue this 'polemic', I'd be more than
happy to oblige off-list.. '-)
Chip, absolutely not.. good/bad apples in both parties.. '-)
Audi content: MY2001.5/6-spd, 30k miles and I still ain't tired
of my baby... '-)
--- "John M. Harrison" <JohnMH at uwyo.edu> wrote:
> Very interesting, all these different views on the ethics of
> modding and
> then seeking warranty coverage for related factory part
> failures. I
> simply think that problems are more likely to occur with
> and related parts/systems than with a stock vehicle. But then
> the stock
> S4 provides more than sufficient performance for my needs.
> For those of
> you who want to modify and can afford to do so, more power to
> you. But
> don't be suprised if Audi doesn't want to honor their warranty
> mod-affected systems. I hope they catch you "red-handed" if
> you try to
> get over on them in this way.
> Ask yourself if you were the Audi dealership and you were
> presented with
> an obviously chipped car with blown turbos, would you want to
> pay for
> the tens of thousands of dollars worth of work to fix it? I
> doubt it.
> Those who have chipped their cars should look to the chip
> for satisfaction when their turbos fail. Where are the
> complete engine
> replacement warranties from the aftermarket chippers? I've
> not heard of
> any warranty offered on any aftermarket performance mods.
> Perhaps some
> exist. Certainly this is a question I would ask about any
> sort of mod.
> I might be tempted by mods aimed at replacing problematic
> factory parts
> with more reliable ones - perhaps the APR bi-pipes and some
> divertor valves, for example. I will ask my dealer how they
> would feel
> about these particular items vis-a-vis warranty coverage of
> parts. What sort of warranty if any does APR offer on their
> Not a republican here, John, but also not much of a fan of
> or "adjustable" ethics. I just prefer to deal in a friendly,
> straight-forward, communicative manner and ask these tough
> questions up
> front rather than get in a big fight later. To that end I
> have emailed
> APR asking about warranty coverage for their mods if any. I
> have asked
> them to respond to the list since this seems to be of interest
> to most
> of us.
> Per Carter's later post - I was not aware that modification of
> was the only or even the primary purpose of this list. If so,
> I guess I
> should butt out. Perhaps the list moderator can advise on
> Anyway, no hard feelings intended, just one owner's point of
> view. John
> M. Harrison
> -----Original Message-----
> From: john sonty [mailto:erhti at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 10:13 AM
> To: biturbos4 at audifans.com
> Subject: Re: [BiturboS4] morals and ethics...
> My sentiment exactly... oh, btw, more than a chuckle for me..
> lol. republicans?? just a guess.. '-)
> --- California Fields <cfields72 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > [ Converted text/html to text/plain ]
> > You guys crack me up. Well, I suppose that morals and
> > are in the eyes
> > of the beholder. So much for having an edcuated discussion
> > about how to
> > maximize the performance of your car while incurring the
> > cost :)
> > Cheers, Carter.
> > P.S. Make sure you all drive the speed limit now. We
> > want to be
> > promoting such illegal or unethical (or, arguably the most
> > dangerous) conduct
> > on such a civilized newsgroup!
> > No flames please - I'm just disappointed (with a chuckle).
> > ------------------------------
> > Carter Fields, San Francisco
> > 2001.5, GIAC-X, Miltek 3" cat-back, Strat. shifter, Strat.
> > DVs, A-pillar boost
> > gauge
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