[Biturbos4] trip to advanced tuning products (ATP MFG)...

robert weinberg centaurus3200 at yahoo.com
Thu Feb 5 18:10:43 EST 2004

is california your real name? that's cool!

yeah, even though he sold the S4, he was first to
admit that the EVO8 is kinda cheesy when it comes to
ergonomics and materials. he said he really misses the
audi seats, lumbar, climate control, cruise control,
all the nice touches that make an audi, compared to
what makes a lancer a, uh... lancer ;-)

see ya,

--- California Fields <cfields72 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Robby, nice post. It's fun to talk shop with the
> tuners.
> Keep in mind that comparing different cars across
> different days entails 
> different sets of conditions (temps, pressure,
> humidity, dyno tuning) and so 
> you have to take those 180wph v. 211whp numbers with
> a grain of salt.
> My S4 dynoed at 202whp stock (3" exhaust though) and
> then 260whp with a 
> GIAC-x chip (also 3" exhaust). The important thing
> for me was not the 
> absolute number but the gain (roughly 60hp) by going
> with a chip. This was 
> consistent with the chip manufacturer's claims.
> I do agree with you, though, that spending all of
> that money for a modest 
> K04 increase seems a little silly when there are so
> many other better turbos 
> out there. Only problem is that very few have been
> fitted for the S4 because 
> of the tight engine bay. Sucks for us. But the S4 is
> still fun as hell - not 
> many cars than can compete in such a well rounded
> set of areas esp. after 
> modding.
> Cal.
> >From: robert weinberg <centaurus3200 at yahoo.com>
> >To: ba-group at www.audifans.com
> >CC: biturbos4 at audifans.com
> >Subject: [Biturbos4] trip to advanced tuning
> products (ATP MFG)...
> >Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 08:19:29 -0800 (PST)
> >
> >hi all,
> >
> >being atp is less than a mile from my work, i
> decided
> >to drop by an have a chat. real nice guys.
> actually,
> >i've dealt with them in the past as they dynoed my
> >taurus SHO.
> >
> >one guy recently sold his S4 and bought an EVO.
> real
> >sweet ride, i'm not much for the boy racer looks
> >though. he had some interesting insight into the
> 2.7T
> >engine.
> >
> >he said it not so much "if" the K03 turbos will
> blow
> >as it is "when" they will give up the ghost. he
> went
> >into the back and brought one out. really dinky
> little
> >thing! he said his car was stock at 25k, then he
> did a
> >bunch of exhaust and intake work, then chipped it.
> >went like stink, but the turbos blew at 40k. so,
> only
> >15k of fun :-(
> >
> >i asked, in his estimation, if i left the car
> stock,
> >can the turbos live a happy life. he said he would
> not
> >be overly confident they would make it over 100k.
> so,
> >buying an A6 2.7T with nearly 80k on the clock,
> could
> >prove to be disheartening, especially when the
> dealer
> >wants $10k to replace the turbos. of course, his
> word
> >is NOT gospel. he's a real mellow cat. no attitude,
> >just his opinion.
> >
> >we then got to talking about upgrades. he said the
> K04
> >turbo is definitely better, and should live a far
> >longer life, but in the grand scheme of things, KKK
> >turbos are well below the abilities of garret
> turbos.
> >why audi/porsche/VW rely on KKK is beyond many.
> other
> >than they are german.
> >
> >he said for the $5,000 for a K04 upgrade kit, might
> as
> >blow $8,000 and get the ultimate - the sportec kit
> >with garret GT25 ballbearing turbos. they have been
> >testing at 600 HP at 24 psi. now we're talking!
> >
> >i was there for over an hour. i didn't want to
> waste
> >any more of their time, but everyone seemed jazzed
> to
> >talk shop, so i stuck around ;-) he said he dynoed
> his
> >stock S4 at 180 wheel HP. he was pretty
> dissapointed,
> >considering it's a 30V DOHC V6 with 9 lbs. of
> boost.
> >not bragging, but for comparison, my SHO put down
> 211
> >front wheel HP on the same dyno. that's a 3.0 DOHC
> >yamaha V6 with a larger maf, y-pipe and billet
> >underdrive pullies. of course, we are talking lots
> >more drivetrain loss with the quattro.
> >
> >i asked what's up with the 180 wheel HP and 9 lbs
> of
> >boost. he said, as we already know, that the K03 is
> >just plain too small. they hit a wall at 5500 rpm.
> >
> >so, i don't know, it's starting to sound like maybe
> i
> >should just buy a 1997+ BMW 540i 6 speed. either
> that
> >or buy an A6 with upgraded turbos OR an A6 with
> >turbos wholesale - then immediately throw on the
> >sportec kit. i would never run 24 psi, but 15
> should
> >do quite nicely ;-)
> >
> >what do you guys think?
> >
> >see ya,
> >Robby
> >
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