[audi20v] Fwd: Re: [Es2] Upper strut mounts

Brandon Hull Hull at cardinalpartners.com
Mon Mar 21 08:47:23 EST 2005

Thanks for the heads up. I regret that as other auto interests have
crowded out my focus on the eS2 so that I am out of touch on
developments.  Sad!  
That said, I wonder what the effect is of a solid bearing on other wear
items.  Racecars use solid mounts for everything: my 911 engine is
bolted directly to the unibody, all the suspension mounts are steel
spherical bearings or derlin.  On a racecar you don't mind the extra
vibration, but the extra strain on the production-based chassis is very
apparent.  E.g, without beefy welded gussets on the rear ARB mounts,
they will rip right off the chassis under cornering loads.  Also
_everything_ unscrews itself requiring safety wire, loktite, and
periodic checks.  My rollcage is tabbed to the B pillar, and the weld
recently ripped under the strain of the twisting shell.  

I'm also reminded of the thread of five or six years ago regarding rear
A-arm failure in urS4s with delrin bushings.  The theory was that the
manufacturing tolerances around the relationship of the a-arm to it's
mount were sufficiently sloppy that when you forced the arm to move in a
described plane (by replacing rubber with inflexible derlin/urathane)
there was enough metal fatigue to cause the arm to fail.  

Now, I can't see where the loads created by a solid upper strut mount
would cause any kind of catastrophic failure.  But all that force that
was previously absorbed by (and apparently destroying) the rubber
bearing, now has to go somewhere else.  I'm curious to hear from those
who have tried it (I guess I'll go lurk on the audiworld thread)
regarding trade-offs...

Thanks again for the link,


> >>Brandon:
> >>
> >>There's been an ongoing thread in AudiWorld from 
> "1pissedoff90" - you 
> >>may
> >>remember "Mance" from the S-car list - His S-car is gone 
> and now he is 
> >>modifying a B4 90 V6.
> >>
> >>Mance tested most of the available upper strut mounts for the B3/B4
> >>("greens", "blues", "blacks") etc, and found that these new 
> Meyle ones 
> >>were the strongest.  
> http://forums.audiworld.com/9080/msgs/258786.phtml
> >>
> >>Even the Meyle one wasn' t good enough, so Mance developed a solid 
> >>mount
> >>- and now he is selling them:
> >>http://www.audifans.com/marketplace/show.php?table=pm_audifa
> ns_Parts&id=2908
> >>in the strictest sense he is not an "official Audiworld 
> vendor" he is not 
> >>selling them....at least on audiworld that is. So contact 
> him directly 
> >>through the audifans ad if interested.
> >>
> >>Alex van Gerbig has a group purchase running through today 
> with a $50
> >>discount off retail
> >>http://www.euro-audi-parts.com  thread: 
> >>http://forums.audiworld.com/9080/msgs/278997.phtml
> >>
> >>Personally, I am intrigued, but at almost $400, I'll try a 
> few sets of
> >>standard mounts first.
> >>
> >>BTW, he is also making adjustable sway bar links for the B3/B4 and 
> >>also
> >>and adjustable strut tower bar that connects to the factory 
> B4 strut 
> >>tower ends.
> >>
> >>HTH
> >>
> >>-peter
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >>At 06:10 PM 3/18/2005, you wrote:
> >>>Crap, just finished rebuilding my entire suspension, and just saw 
> >>>these on ebay, has anyone tried?  Shameless how the upper bearings 
> >>>wear... 
> >>>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ca
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