[Es2] Audi 20v conversion

[Chris Miller]

On a related note; where's the best place to cut a hole in the firewall for
the 200 harness to fit the coupe q?
Chris

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From: es2-bounces at audifans.com [mailto:es2-bounces at audifans.com] On Behalf
Of Jack Walker
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 4:01 PM
To: 'Ben Swann'; flamingollama at yahoo.com; es2 at audifans.com
Cc: McCohens at aol.com; 20v at audifans.com; quattro at audifans.com
Subject: Re: [Es2] Audi 20v conversion

So convert from a 10VT to a 20VT, sounds pretty simple doesn't it?

Well I'm into my 4th year of finding parts that don't really make it, the
total of the parts that do, that cost more than the donor motor, finding
that if you really don't have fabrication skills.... 
Although I'm going to say if you're really up for it, a totaled 91 200/20V
TQ with a low mileage 3B motor, and it would be whole hell of a lot easier.
I got the same advice, but neglected to follow it.

Jack Walker

-----Original Message-----
From: es2-bounces at audifans.com [mailto:es2-bounces at audifans.com] On Behalf
Of Ben Swann
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 12:28 PM
To: flamingollama at yahoo.com; es2 at audifans.com
Cc: McCohens at aol.com; 20v at audifans.com; quattro at audifans.com
Subject: [Es2] Audi 20v conversion

Ditto on this!  I don't know how anyone can suggest a turbo conversion,
10Vor 20 V being
easy and I suppose that is relative.  It is one thing to install a larger
displacement
engine or higher compression with some fueling and ignition adjustments.
Totally
different when you need to re-engineer intercooler location and turbo
induction.  I
presently have my '90 Coupe Quattro dismantled awaiting such conversion.
Yes the
conversion is made a bit longer process by my objective to do it clean and
correct, but
the dashboard had to be removed and much of the interior yanked just to do
the "trivial"
wire harness swap. 

Integrating electronics "properly" will take likely at least 3 complete
days.  The large
mechanicals(engine, trans, clutch) are a straightforward 1 man-week by
someone who knows
what they are doing and has all the correct parts in hand.  On e a
performance build,
one almost always ends up tearing down the donor, but not necessarily. Even
minor
cleanup items, such as manifolds, fittings and gaskets take days.  The turbo
and exhaust
portion can add significant time.   My "ES-2" conversion is further
compounded with the
Ersatz nature and desire to install a 6-speed transmission and all that
entails, but if
I were only doing a "straight-forwared" swap from 7A to 3B or AAN, we are
talking no
less than a complete man-month from start to finish by one who knows what
they are
doing, with proper tools and some help.

Do not take these projects lightly!  Someday I'll document my now mostly
completed Ur
Quattro conversion  - 10 valve turbo into 10 valve turbo with EFI
conversion.  This
alone took my over a year to complete, although that was not all just
working on the
car, and much was ironing out bugs that ensued after the job was
"completed".  That was
Phase I and II.  Now it begins again with need to replace the turbo - sounds
easy 'till
you try it.

Feel free to take a gander at some conversion outlined on my site - these
are ones I
completed and documented years ago and will be playing catch up to document
the last 2
or 3 I've been working on. http:// www.gtquattro.com many updates
forthcoming this
month.

Ben

[Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 14:44:40 EST
From: McCohens at aol.com
Subject: Re: Audi 20v 
To: quattro at audifans.com
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As someone with a 10VT in their 80 and former 20V owner I can say unless you

intend to track the car a 20VT is overkill.  I would also suggest you 
seriously evaluate your mechanical skills or bank account.  The  turbo swap
is by no 
means a bolt in proposition.  Lots out there have done it and may say it is 
easy.  If so, ask them how much they would charge for doing the swap on your

car.  Getting the engine in is probably the easiest  thing.  Installing a
CIS 
and intercooler, decent exhaust system is much  tougher.  Aftermarket EFI is
a 
great choice, but nothing out there is a  bolt in system.  Lots of little 
surprises and chances to screw up.
 
That said, the 10VT with low teens boost is pretty reliable, gets mid 20's  
MPG and is an absolute giggle to drive.  It will humble many cars and is
one 
of the best all time sleepers.  My 20V was plenty fast, but the turbo  10V
has 
better power that starts at lower revs and pulls harder.  
 
Feel free to contact me off list for more details.  If you live near  Bucks 
County PA stop by for a test drive  too.]

[Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 15:45:20 -0800 (PST)
From: Michael Walker <flamingollama at yahoo.com>
Subject: Audi 20v
To: quattro at audifans.com
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I am looking to possibly upgrade my 1989 Audi 80 Quattro 10v to a 20v.
Either that or
rebuild my 10v. What is a good way to get a hold of a used 20v. I also want
to upgrade
with a turbo, which engine is better for that?]
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