quattro digest, Vol 1 #4955 - 15 msgs

John Larson j.d.larson@verizon.net
Tue, 20 May 2003 22:20:54 -0700


I guess you have to start somewhere.  I've never had to set (much less
reset) one.  Once the sensors are all assured and the wiring is good, it's
automatic. John
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>    1. Re:How to get oil press gauge in your CGT (5 minutes!) (S J & I
Santoliquido)
>    2. Re:which 5ktq wheels? (Ti Kan)
>    3. Re:which 5ktq wheels? (Eric_R_Kissell@whirlpool.com)
>    4. RE:which 5ktq wheels? (Dan Cordon)
>    5. 80/90 ambient temperature display (Timofej H. Crift)
>    6. RE:evil fram (Fred Munro)
>    7. RE:evil fram (james accordino)
>    8. RE:80/90 ambient temperature display (Timofej H. Crift)
>    9. Re:evil fram (Yoder, Doug)
>   10. RE:80/90 ambient temperature display (Timofej H. Crift)
>   11. Meet the Stasis Audi team in CT - May 22 from 5-7:30 pm (Jon Linkov)
>   12. Re:80/90 ambient temperature display (Todd Young)
>   13. Re:evil fram (JShadzi@aol.com)
>   14. Re:Low-end alternatives of Fram ? (Andrew Buc)
>   15. Re:better rear brakes (JShadzi@aol.com)
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> Message: 1
> From: "S J & I Santoliquido" <santoliquido@cox.net>
> To: <qshipaz@juno.com>
> Cc: <quattro@audifans.com>
> Subject: Re: How to get oil press gauge in your CGT (5 minutes!)
> Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 21:20:12 -0400
>
> Yes! I have the three analog gages (and trim) ready to go in. The analog
> dash conversion is on my to-do list, but quite aways down. Still I'd like
to
> know of any tricks or serious problems you encountered doing it.
> Steve
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <qshipaz@juno.com>
> To: <santoliquido@cox.net>
> Cc: <quattro@audifans.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 5:33 PM
> Subject: How to get oil press gauge in your CGT (5 minutes!)
>
>
> >
> > Steve-
> > Noticed that you said there's no oil pressure gauge in your Coupe... you
> must have a digidash car like mine (was).
> >
> > If you have a three-gauge panel from an earlier Coupe (my boneyard
charged
> $8), relief is five minutes away. Didja know that every Coupe has the same
> console harness?
> >
> > I can't remember the exact plugs I used down there, but basically,
unplug
> the digital gauges, and use the disused connectors. They are color coded.
> When all the plugs protruding from the gauge cluster are connected to
their
> mates, you will have a working, OEM Audi, oil temp, pressure, and volts
> readout.
> >
> > Now, if you wish to do what I did and make the main cluster analog, that
> will be a bit more involved. (I still don't have a fuel gauge!) but it's
> really not too bad...
> >
> > Rob
> >
> > ________________________________________________________________
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> Message: 2
> From: Ti Kan <ti@amb.org>
> Subject: Re: which 5ktq wheels?
> To: bdevlin@stanford.edu
> Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 18:40:17 -0700 (PDT)
> Cc: quattro@audifans.com
>
> Brian Devlin writes:
> > My 86 5ktq came with 7Jx15 forged alloy wheels
> > (according to the window sticker), but I just looked
> > at them and they are 6Jx15. My wheels are silver with
> > six openings around the edge and a smooth center
> > section with the Audi logo on a silver plastic insert.
> > Anybody have a picture of the wheels I should have?
>
> If your car is supposed to have come with the optional forged 7x15s,
> they are the "Fuchs" 5-spoke wheels that were mentioned on this list
> often in the past.  Here is a pic:
>
> http://www.karquattro.com/Wheels_Parts/wheels_parts_11.html
>
> -Ti
> 2003 A4 1.8T multitronic
> 2001 S4 biturbo 6-sp
> 1984 5000S turbo
> 1980 4000 2.0 5-sp
> --
>     ///  Ti Kan                Vorsprung durch Technik
>    ///   AMB Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA
>   ///    ti@amb.org
>  //////  http://www.amb.org/ti/
> ///
>
>
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>
> Message: 3
> Subject: Re: which 5ktq wheels?
> To: bdevlin@stanford.edu
> Cc: quattro@audifans.com
> From: Eric_R_Kissell@whirlpool.com
> Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 21:35:35 -0400
>
>
> Your car probably came with Fuchs.
> See the 1986 5000cstq and the 1989 200q Avant at:
>
> http://www.audifans.com/registry/view.php?action=viewMember&userid=365
>
> HTH,
> Eric Kissell
>
>
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 18:46:45 -0700
> From: Dan Cordon <cord4530@uidaho.edu>
> To: Brian Devlin <nilvednairb@yahoo.com>, quattro@audifans.com
> Subject: RE: which 5ktq wheels?
>
> The 7Fx15 wheels were optional on the CSTQ model. The avant in the
> second image on the page below has those wheels on it. I suspect that
> the rims were sold/taken/damaged/etc. at some point and stock 5k wheels
> were put on. My 87 5KCSTQ also has the stock wheels. However, I have a
> 1991 200 TQ on the way as a doner....BBS here I come!
>
> http://www.audiworld.com/model/historical/86/5000.shtml
>
> --
> Dan Cordon
> Mechanical Engineer - Engine Research Facility
> University of Idaho
>
> > My 86 5ktq came with 7Jx15 forged alloy wheels
> > (according to the window sticker), but I just looked
> > at them and they are 6Jx15. My wheels are silver with
> > six openings around the edge and a smooth center
> > section with the Audi logo on a silver plastic insert.
> > Anybody have a picture of the wheels I should have?
> > -Brian
> >
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 5
> Reply-To: <tcrift@criftassoc.com>
> From: "Timofej H. Crift" <timofej.crift@att.net>
> To: "Quattro@Audifans. Com" <quattro@audifans.com>
> Subject: 80/90 ambient temperature display
> Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 21:46:57 -0400
>
> Ran across this looking for a new temp display for the 90Q:
> http://s2central.net/atd_parts.html
>
> Has anyone replaced the bulb in theirs? If so what did you use?
>
> Anyone interested in all that can be done with it and can also read German
> can go here:
> http://www.audicoupe.de/Audi/tips/aussentempmodul/aussentempmodul.htm
>
> I am always amazed what I can find on the web.  Thanks to all of those
that
> publish their trials and travails.
>
> Tim
>
>
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 6
> From: "Fred Munro" <munrof@sympatico.ca>
> To: <JShadzi@aol.com>, <santoliquido@cox.net>, <quattro@audifans.com>
> Subject: RE: evil fram
> Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 21:57:10 -0400
>
> Hi Javad;
>
> There was a website up a couple of years ago in which a chap had
> disassembled most available oil filters and looked at construction, length
> of filter media, number of pleats, etc. It was most illuminating, given
that
> he noted there were only a few manufacturers despite the many brand names
> out there. His site informed the reader how to ID the filters from the
> different manufactures in spite of the brand name.
> Which filter was the worst? Our orange buddy - they use glued cardboard
> headers on the end of the media, no wonder they fall apart.
> Guess who threatened to sue and made him take his site down?
> As I recall, he identified AC Delco and Bosch as superior filters.
>
> His site may be back up - I ran across something similar a few months ago.
> If you can find it, it's well worth the read.
>
> Fred Munro
> '94 S4 (only dealer filters on the Audi & AC Delco on everything else)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: quattro-admin@audifans.com [mailto:quattro-admin@audifans.com]On
> Behalf Of JShadzi@aol.com
> Sent: May 19, 2003 11:44 PM
> To: santoliquido@cox.net; quattro@audifans.com
> Subject: Re: evil fram
>
>
> Wow, so the filter media just came apart?  Unbelievable, I've never seen
> anything like that.  Does Fram make a post oil-filter filter??  ;)
>
> Javad
>
> > I noticed when changing the filter that the filter media had collapsed
and
> was torn and protruding from the housing. Over the next two weeks I
noticed
> increased lifter noise. Then one fatefull day I got the low oil pressure
> warning light accompanied by a sharp increase in lifter noise. BTW no oil
> pressure gage on the '87 CGT (a design flaw soon to be remadied).
> > I dismantled the engine and found filter media packed in behind the
> anti-drain check valve in the oil galley to the head. All other passages
> were clear. Final damage assesment; Minimal. But I did source a recently
> worked NG head at a reasonable price. So; in it goes.
> > Steve
> >
> >
> >
> > Can you guys who've had failures explain exactly what
> > happend to the filter=
> > , what appeared to fail, how so, etc.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Javad
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 19:29:35 -0700 (PDT)
> From: james accordino <ssgacc@yahoo.com>
> Subject: RE: evil fram
> To: Fred Munro <munrof@sympatico.ca>, JShadzi@aol.com,
> santoliquido@cox.net, quattro@audifans.com
>
> I agree with you on the AC Delco filters.  I also
> endorsed them several years ago.  I am wondering if
> they cheaped up a little many a year or two ago.
> Maybe it just seemed to me that the case steel was a
> heavier gauge.  Still seem very well made to me
> though.
>
> Jim Accordino
>
> --- Fred Munro <munrof@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > Hi Javad;
> >
> > There was a website up a couple of years ago in
> > which a chap had
> > disassembled most available oil filters and looked
> > at construction, length
> > of filter media, number of pleats, etc. It was most
> > illuminating, given that
> > he noted there were only a few manufacturers despite
> > the many brand names
> > out there. His site informed the reader how to ID
> > the filters from the
> > different manufactures in spite of the brand name.
> > Which filter was the worst? Our orange buddy - they
> > use glued cardboard
> > headers on the end of the media, no wonder they fall
> > apart.
> > Guess who threatened to sue and made him take his
> > site down?
> > As I recall, he identified AC Delco and Bosch as
> > superior filters.
> >
> > His site may be back up - I ran across something
> > similar a few months ago.
> > If you can find it, it's well worth the read.
> >
> > Fred Munro
> > '94 S4 (only dealer filters on the Audi & AC Delco
> > on everything else)
> >
>
>
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> --__--__--
>
> Message: 8
> Reply-To: <tcrift@criftassoc.com>
> From: "Timofej H. Crift" <timofej.crift@att.net>
> To: "Quattro@Audifans. Com" <quattro@audifans.com>
> Cc: "Robert Myers" <robert@s-cars.org>
> Subject: RE: 80/90 ambient temperature display
> Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 22:37:19 -0400
>
> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> --
> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> Cool, the bulb replacement is what I was looking for, the steering wheel
(it
> needs to come off on a 90) and instrument cluster are already strewn about
> the garage so I can spend 2-3 hours putting it back together instead of 30
> min ;).  The temp gauge is on the work bench. Off to Radio shack in the
> morning.  Did you send this procedure to the knowledge base?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tim
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: Robert Myers [mailto:robert@s-cars.org]
>   Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 10:03 PM
>   To: tcrift@criftassoc.com
>   Subject: Re: 80/90 ambient temperature display
>
>
>   At 09:46 PM 5/20/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>
>
>     Ran across this looking for a new temp display for the 90Q:
>     http://s2central.net/atd_parts.html
>
>     Has anyone replaced the bulb in theirs? If so what did you use?
>
>     Anyone interested in all that can be done with it and can also read
> German
>     can go here:
>     http://www.audicoupe.de/Audi/tips/aussentempmodul/aussentempmodul.htm
>
>     I am always amazed what I can find on the web.  Thanks to all of those
> that
>     publish their trials and travails.
>
>     Tim
>
>   _____
>
>                                         OAT Bulb Replacement
>
>                                         Robert Myers  <robert@s-cars.org>
>
>
>   This requires minor surgery.
>
>   1.      Adjust steering wheel toward vertical and as far from dash as
> possible to allow more maneuvering room during the cluster removal.
>
>   2.      Pull the instrument cluster. (10 minute or less job. - 2 or 3
> screws removed from below the lower trim strip, slip out the lower trim
> piece (there is a slip joint "post" on the right end - remove the screws
and
> slip the left end of the trim piece toward the rear of the car and then
pull
> it toward the driver's door).  Remove another 3-4 screws along the front
> bottom of the cluster & slide the cluster out of the dash.  Disconnect
> several color coded and keyed electrical connectors behind the cluster).
>
>   3.      Remove the OAT display from the lower rear of the cluster.  (10
> seconds - two small screws)
>
>   4.      Disassemble the OAT display.  Take your time and put everything
in
> order as it comes out - nothing is marked.  Unsolder the grain of wheat
> bulb.  Solder a replacement in its place.  (10 minutes)
>
>   5.      Reassemble everything - aren't you glad all the bits and pieces
> are arranged all nice and orderly?  (Another 20-30 minutes)
>
>   The replacement bulb is available from Radio Shack in their display of
> small lights.  I don't have the part number handy but it is their smallest
> grain of wheat bulb.  It comes packaged two to a blister wrap package.
> Somebody reported Radio Shack bulb # 7219 Micro Lamps 12 volts, 60mA.
>
>   The only concern is just how comfortable you are with soldering
itsy-bitsy
> electrical gadgets.
>
>   The behind the dash electrical connectors are locked with a variety of
> methods.  Nothing requires brute force to get them apart.  Just look
closely
> at them and figure them out.  Nothing is terribly complex.
>
>
>
>
>   _____
>
>   One nation, under surveillance. :-(
>
>   Bob
>   *****
>    Robert L. Myers  304-574-2372
>    Rt. 4, Box 57,  Fayetteville, WV 25840 USA  WV tag Q SHIP
>    '95 urS6 Cashmere Grey - der Wunderwagen   ICQ 22170244
>    http://www.cob-net.org/church/pvcob.htm
>   *****
>
> --
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 9
> From: "Yoder, Doug" <yoderw@msoe.edu>
> To: Fred Munro <munrof@sympatico.ca>
> Cc: JShadzi@aol.com, santoliquido@cox.net, quattro@audifans.com
> Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 21:41:54 -0500
> Subject: Re: evil fram
>
> The website in question is Russ Knize's oil filter study site.  He had
> it up for a while, then disappeared for a while.  It can now be found at
> http://www.minimopar.net/oilfilterstudy.html
>
> He has an email from a former FRAM employee... quite interesting!
> http://www.minimopar.net/oilfilter-fram1.txt
>
> -Doug
>
> Fred Munro wrote:
>
> > Hi Javad;
> >
> > There was a website up a couple of years ago in which a chap had
> > disassembled most available oil filters and looked at construction,
length
> > of filter media, number of pleats, etc. It was most illuminating, given
that
> > he noted there were only a few manufacturers despite the many brand
names
> > out there. His site informed the reader how to ID the filters from the
> > different manufactures in spite of the brand name.
> > Which filter was the worst? Our orange buddy - they use glued cardboard
> > headers on the end of the media, no wonder they fall apart.
> > Guess who threatened to sue and made him take his site down?
> > As I recall, he identified AC Delco and Bosch as superior filters.
> >
> > His site may be back up - I ran across something similar a few months
ago.
> > If you can find it, it's well worth the read.
> >
> > Fred Munro
> > '94 S4 (only dealer filters on the Audi & AC Delco on everything else)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: quattro-admin@audifans.com [mailto:quattro-admin@audifans.com]On
> > Behalf Of JShadzi@aol.com
> > Sent: May 19, 2003 11:44 PM
> > To: santoliquido@cox.net; quattro@audifans.com
> > Subject: Re: evil fram
> >
> >
> > Wow, so the filter media just came apart?  Unbelievable, I've never seen
> > anything like that.  Does Fram make a post oil-filter filter??  ;)
> >
> > Javad
> >
> >
> >>I noticed when changing the filter that the filter media had collapsed
and
> >
> > was torn and protruding from the housing. Over the next two weeks I
noticed
> > increased lifter noise. Then one fatefull day I got the low oil pressure
> > warning light accompanied by a sharp increase in lifter noise. BTW no
oil
> > pressure gage on the '87 CGT (a design flaw soon to be remadied).
> >
> >>I dismantled the engine and found filter media packed in behind the
> >
> > anti-drain check valve in the oil galley to the head. All other passages
> > were clear. Final damage assesment; Minimal. But I did source a recently
> > worked NG head at a reasonable price. So; in it goes.
> >
> >>Steve
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Can you guys who've had failures explain exactly what
> >>happend to the filter=
> >>, what appeared to fail, how so, etc.
> >>
> >>Thanks,
> >>Javad
> >
> >
>
> --
> *------------------*--------------------*------------------------------*
> |    Doug Yoder    |   wdy@zordok.net   |    http://www.zordok.net/    |
> *------------------*--------------------*------------------------------*
> |  Don't tell me the sky's the limit...                                |
> |                                  ...there's footprints on the moon.  |
> *----------------------------------------------------------------------*
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 10
> Reply-To: <tcrift@criftassoc.com>
> From: "Timofej H. Crift" <timofej.crift@att.net>
> To: "Quattro@Audifans. Com" <quattro@audifans.com>
> Cc: "Robert Myers" <robert@s-cars.org>
> Subject: RE: 80/90 ambient temperature display
> Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 22:57:17 -0400
>
> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> --
> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> -----Original Message-----
>
> You're welcome.
>
> One caveat.  The car I did this procedure on was my '95 S6.  It's possible
> (probably not terribly likely - but possible) that the OAT display is
> different for the two cars.  However for under $5 for the bulbs you can't
go
> too terribly far wrong.
>
>  Just checked the FA. Part number is 4A0 919 272 D for both vehicles. C
> version for Celsius models.
>
> Tim
>
> --
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 22:44:29 -0400
> Subject: Meet the Stasis Audi team in CT - May 22 from 5-7:30 pm
> From: Jon Linkov <jon@audiclubna.org>
> To: <quattro@audifans.com>, <urq@audifans.com>
>
> Full information is available here:
>
> http://www.audiclubna.org/news/2003/03_stasis.shtml
>
> Thus is open to members and non-members of ACNA. Free tickets to the
weekend
> race for people who join the club on-site (Thursday). Discounted tickets
to
> the race for ACNA members.
>
> Please come out and support the team. They just signed an agreement with
> United Auto (Penske) dealerships, and your attendance will help them out,
> help the club out, and get you some access to the car and event that
wasn't
> possible without this agreement!
>
> Hope to see you there on Thursday!
>
> Jon
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 22:56:58 -0500
> From: Todd Young <auditodd@attbi.com>
> To: tcrift@criftassoc.com
> Cc: "Quattro@Audifans. Com" <quattro@audifans.com>
> Subject: Re: 80/90 ambient temperature display
>
> I've got a '93 90S with the outside temp display at the bottom center of
> the gage cluster (manual trans, so no PRNDL display). AND I can
> definitely state that the bulb is replaceable. I have done so.
>
> The very same 60mA 12volt bulb can be used in a variety of places within
> the cockpit of the B4 90 series.
> 1) backlighting for the outside temp display
> 2) backlighting for the center console switches (emergency, rear
> defrost, etc)
> 3) backlighting for the 4 way switch for the outside mirrors
>
> LEDs can work wonders too.
> 1) sunroof/moonroof switch
> 2) window switches
> 3) replace the red bulbs in the seat heater switches.
>
> I've done it all, including fixing a non-functional rear defrost switch,
> the main solder joint in the switch cracked.
>
> It's amazing what a little soldering skill and electrical knowledge can
> save you in dollars.
>
> Timofej H. Crift wrote:
> > Ran across this looking for a new temp display for the 90Q:
> > http://s2central.net/atd_parts.html
> >
> > Has anyone replaced the bulb in theirs? If so what did you use?
> >
> > Anyone interested in all that can be done with it and can also read
German
> > can go here:
> > http://www.audicoupe.de/Audi/tips/aussentempmodul/aussentempmodul.htm
> >
> > I am always amazed what I can find on the web.  Thanks to all of those
that
> > publish their trials and travails.
> >
> > Tim
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Todd Young
> 7079 Dawn Ave. E.
> Inver Grove Heights, MN 55076
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 13
> From: JShadzi@aol.com
> Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 00:04:52 EDT
> Subject: Re: evil fram
> To: munrof@sympatico.ca, santoliquido@cox.net, quattro@audifans.com
>
> --
> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> Yes, I've seen it...but this is the first I'm hearing of filters actually
> disinegrating inside a motor, usually oil filter analysis is in the
context
> of filtering quality, not catastrophe.
>
> Javad
>
> In a message dated 5/20/2003 6:58:55 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> munrof@sympatico.ca writes:
>
> >
> > Hi Javad;
> >
> > There was a website up a couple of years ago in which a chap had
> > disassembled most available oil filters and looked at construction,
length
> > of filter media, number of pleats, etc. It was most illuminating, given
> > that
> > he noted there were only a few manufacturers despite the many brand
names
> > out there. His site informed the reader how to ID the filters from the
> > different manufactures in spite of the brand name.
> > Which filter was the worst? Our orange buddy - they use glued cardboard
> > headers on the end of the media, no wonder they fall apart.
> > Guess who threatened to sue and made him take his site down?
> > As I recall, he identified AC Delco and Bosch as superior filters.
> >
> > His site may be back up - I ran across something similar a few months
ago.
> > If you can find it, it's well worth the read.
> >
> > Fred Munro
> > '94 S4 (only dealer filters on the Audi &AC Delco on everything else)
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 21:21:11 -0700
> To: quattro@audifans.com
> From: "Andrew Buc" <abuc@attglobal.net>
> Reply-To: "Andrew Buc" <abuc@attglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: Low-end alternatives of Fram ?
>
> ** Reply to message from "Perry, Christoper (EDS)"
> <chris.perry@weyerhaeuser.com> on Tue, 20 May 2003 10:35:20 -0700
>
> > Anywhoo, I will not use anything but Mann/Mahle in my cars (I wonder if
they
> > make one for a dorF?) from now on.
>
> You can view or download Mann's online catalog here:
>
> http://www.mann-hummel.com/mf_prodkata_all/index.html?iKeys=21.1.164.2.1
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> Message: 15
> Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 00:57:34 -0400
> From: JShadzi@aol.com
> To: brett@cloud9.net, iin10ded@hotmail.com
> Cc: quattro@audifans.com
> Subject: Re: better rear brakes
>
> Brett, with all due respect, when this email hit my inbox my
"strictly-stoc=
> k-Audi-part-grumpy-old-man email alarm" went to full alert..comments
insert=
> ed below...
>
> > Track driving and "hard" street driving are not even close to
> > comparison.  How many times, in hard street driving, do you go from 100
t=
> o 50, in the space of a few of minutes?  In one weekend you can easily go
t=
> hrough half your pads at Watkins Glen, for example.  If cars don't have at
=
> least half their pad material, they get a stern warning to check them
after=
>  every >rungroup.
>
> Yes, absolutely agreed with the above
>
> > >i did have drilled rotors
> >
> > Drilled rotors are mostly useless.  Even the Porsche ones(which, it
turns=
>  out, Porsche lied about- they are NOT cast, they really ARE
> > drilled).  Show me a drilled or slotted rotor, I'll show you an
overprice=
> d, structurally weakened rotor with less thermal mass and less contact
area=
>  that is going to be full of brake pad material and rust in a few weeks
any=
> way.
> >
>
> Ok, while its true that removing material from a rotor does reduce its
ther=
> mal capacity, if the drilling created better airflow and venting of gases,
=
> then the thermal effect can be offset.  Regardless, I use slotted rotors
in=
>  the front of my car, the slots don't fill with rust or brake pad material
=
> btw, if fact I'm always amazed that they don't.  Anyway, this isnt' a hill
=
> to die on, there aren't very many cars crashing due to brake failure from
d=
> rilled rotors, for the most part (99.999%)the rotor will wear way before
an=
> y cracking can cause a failure.
>
> > I've seen the evidence first-hand; a qclub instructor tried all sorts
> > of things on his 90q20v, including slotted rotors and drilled rotors.
> > They came off the car looking like a disaster- stress cracks, slots
> > full of brake pad material+rust...you know what he did?  Did the G60
> > upgrade(I believe) and solid rotors.
>
> Right, thanks for the hard data..  ;)  So the G60 is the ultimate fail
safe=
>  upgrade, eh?  Hmm, that's news to me..if anything makes a better paper
hol=
> der than a stress cracked drilled rotor its a G60 caliper IMO.
>
> > >ss lines
> >
> > Not only worthless, but dangerous.  Stainless Steel lines have
ABSOLUTELY=
>  NO BUSINESS (other over-zealous statements snipped...)
> >
>
> Ok, your comments may be true for plain old steel lines wrt dirt
contaminat=
> ion, etc, but DOT approved stainless lines are superior to rubber in every
=
> way.  They have molded stress reliefs at each fitting and are coated with
r=
> ubber or plastic to protect the teflon liner from contamination.  Oh ya,
th=
> ey don't fail, ever, assuming they're installed properly in the right
appli=
> cation.  Every year in the US there are probably a couple hundred thousand
=
> DOT approved stainless line sets sold in the us, the failure rate is
statis=
> tically zero, I think you're over stepping yourself with your
statements...
>
>
> >mintex pads
> >
> > Can't comment on aftermarket pads, only to say I'm quite happy with
> > my stock(ATE?) pads on my UFO-equipped 200q20v.  I have heard the
> > mintex name frequently- I think someone on the 200q20v list runs them
> > on his G60-equipped 200q20v when he does track events.
> >
> > Careful who you buy from- someone bought pads from APR for his
> > S4(they cost a FORTUNE, too), lasted ONE on-track session at Watkins
> > Glen before he was back in the garage pulling off the wheels and
> > cursing, because the pads completely glazed over the rotors.  Hate to
> > be the guy at APR who had to answer that phone call.
>
> Yes, I've been on the ohter end of that phone myself, its important to do
y=
> our research before you call up your local tuner and buy whatever they
sell=
>  you based on the information you've given them.  Its clear that the pad
wa=
> s used in the wrong application, its not as easy as just blaming APR or
the=
>  pads.
>
> Mintex makes a stock replacement RedBox pad, its an excellent low dust
stre=
> et pad, nuff said.  Regardless, if you're limiting yourself to stock
replac=
> ement ATE pads, your missing out on some good brake pads out there.
>
> Javad
>
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