quattro Digest, Vol 25, Issue 37
gfl1 at optonline.net
Mon Nov 28 23:02:06 EST 2005
Zero keys. Plastic key fob. Always. Good comment though, read on.
However, driver is older, and does not have a great deal of hand
strength. I've commented that she just might be forcing it sideways was
she twists it. This is not a popular comment:-)
On Nov 28, 2005, at 9:46 AM, Mitchell Segal wrote:
> Hi Grant,
> I know this might not sound like a very technical answer, but since
> you seem
> to have a much higher rate of failures than anyone else, on a part
> that is
> basically independant of all others that you're completely replacing,
> so the
> problems shouldn't keep coming back, perhaps it's time to start
> looking at
> how you use the switch differently compared to everyone else, that
> cause all these failures.
> One thing that comes to mind is something I read a very long time ago.
> you one of these people who walk around with dozens of keys on their
> keychain? Do you have some heavy keychain bobbles along with your
> All that extra weight might be causing the problems.
> The theory used to be that the extra weight puts an unneccessary
> strain on
> the switch/tumblers, causing a heavy pull downward all the time,
> extra strain on the switch innards / contacts, thus wearing them out
> First I would dump about 1/2 of them which you probably don't ever use
> them on a second ring, leave it in the glovebox). Do you really need
> carry around your key to the shed or to the boat 365 days a year?
> If you can't lose some keys, then try one of those key rings where you
> detach parts of it, and take off the car key when you drive. Not only
> it reduce the weight, but you won't have that annoying jingle of car
> rattling around and banging into your knees.
> If you have a normal amount of keys (4-5 I would think is normal),
> then you
> might want to start thinking about what else you could be doing
> that would cause all these failures.
> - Do you use excessive twisting force on the key when starting?
> the key in the start position with excessive force)?
> - Do you turn the wheel all the way and then lock it into place when
> remove the key, such that when you start the car the next day, there
> is so
> much pressure on the lock that it's hard to turn the key without first
> moving the steering wheel back an forth, to remove the pressure on the
> My guess is, if it's not the weight of the keys, then maybe it's the
> steering wheel lock always putting a lot of pressure on the key lock,
> you're forcing the key to turn instead of first releasing the pressure
> turning the wheel.
> When something like this fails so often for you, but so rarely for
> else, it usually ends up being something the driver is doing wrong.
> Like the people who complain that their brakes don't last and they get
> mileage, and then you take a look and you see that these are the
> people who
> drive with their left foot on the brake, but who claim they're not
> any weight on the brakes at all.
> Hope this helps.
>> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 08:28:20 -0500
>> From: Grant <gfl1 at optonline.net>
>> Subject: Either odd no-start problem or the world record for broken
> ignition switches - HEEEEELLPP!
>> This is re; an A6Q 1995 (C4) auto. Over the last <2 years, 3 ignition
> switches have been replaced. >The original for the "non return to
> bugaboo, and two more for a different problem - the car >would crank
> but not
> start, or crank-catch-die.
>> This weekend #4 was replaced.
>> This is getting to be a problem, and my mom (the owner/driver) is
> scared to drive her car.
>> a) car cranks great
>> b) when it does run (its intermittent) it runs great. Might stall very
>> c) no pre-run of fuel pump in "run" position
>> d) no power to fuel pump/injectors/coil (e.g.: it is not a specific
>> problem in any one of those subsystems)
>> This weekend, after two prof mechanics were stumped, and after I spent
> several hors looking over
>> ECU wiring, harnesses, etc., I put a new switch in and all was right
>> in the
> world. Starts and runs >perfectly.
>> So what could make switches die on 3-4 month intervals, after the
>> original going 8+ years?
>> Thanks all!
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