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rs drove those year round here in WI. Those were the people that wanted gre=
at wet and winter function that could not be =A0found in an all seaon tire.=
 The WR had almost as good a wet function, but nowhere near the snow or ice=
 traction. =A0Generally they were not agressive drivers who were concerned =
about ultimiate responsiveness, they just wanted safety. =A0Just took them =
off a Volvo V70XC AWD that had 79k on the tires running year round; lot of =
highway miles and still had 3 to 4/32 tread left. =A0Most people get at lea=
st 40k.The Nordfrost 3 is the mold that the Generals are made in; but not c=
ertain if the rubber chemisrty is the same or? =A0The WR or WR-G2 are not g=
oing to be as winter friedly; especially if you had the older sharp chevron=
 pattern vs the later swoopy curveed NRW tires. =A0I know they claim it, bu=
t my hands on has not confirmed it. =A0Sold Nokian for 30 years and it
 seems in the past 5 years they have lost some of their winter function vs =
the older Hak 2 or Hak Q and the pricing has gotten out of control.
I can't think of a year round tire that is acceptable in the northern state=
s. =A0I don't like to moderate my speed to conditions that much; so I use f=
ull snows and then switch to summer/all-season tires. =A0Your choice is goi=
ng to have to be based on if you want to feel better driving in worst case =
conditions or if you want an all season tire and tip toe around in poor con=
ditions. =A0no magic answer=A0Good luckGreg GalinskyG & G Service
--- On Thu, 10/22/09, Dave C <dconner at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Dave C <dconner at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Snow tire help
To: "LL - NY" <larrycleung at gmail.com>
Cc: quattro at audifans.com
Date: Thursday, October 22, 2009, 11:08 AM

Hi Larry,
That's what I would expect, but the survey results at TireRack caused me to
wonder ...
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=3DGeneral&tireModel=3DAlti=
max+Arctic
Check out those results.=A0 They show the General Altimax snow tire as bein=
g
an outstanding year round tire.=A0 But maybe I'm mis-interpreting the
results.=A0 Maybe the "dry handling", cornering, noise, etc, is based on a
comparison only to other snow tires.

thanks,
Dave C.
On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 11:07 PM, LL - NY <larrycleung at gmail.com> wrote:

> My assumption is that the General Altimax Artics are more of a typical fu=
ll
> snow, IOW, the compounds (and high tread blocks and siping) would be a po=
or
> summer season tire. The compounding needed to keep the tires soft and gri=
ppy
> at low temps would make them mushy and eraser like at summer temps. The
> tread design would only make the problem worse.
>
> As for Nokians, I'm sure Greg can pipe in, but according to the Nokian
> website, there are actually two choices of winter biased All Seasons. The
> "W", which is the old WR, the WR-G2.
> I've had the WR-G2 which are okay as 3 season tires, but a bit sloppy,
> which wasn't unexpected.=A0 As snowies, if you were okay with NRW's, they=
 are
> probably (never had them, so I don't know) pretty equivalent. IMHO, the
> WR-G2's weak points are in the sticky wet stuff (thicker than slush, they
> were fine in that) and pure powder. In both cases, stability was less tha=
n
> it was when I had RSI's. Hydroplane resistance in rain wasn't as good as =
my
> RSI's either. They were not bad, but again somewhat sloppy in the dry.
>
> Try the Nokian website for more info, but Greg could pipe in as to
> availability in the US. In spite of the price, I'd venture that the the
> Nokians are the only real snow capable All Season
> As point of reference, I did try BFG Traction T/A H's on 1st Gen Scoob
> Legacy beater. For local snow driving, they were adequate, at best. I
> wouldn't want to depend on them for a longer distance highway run. There =
the
> WR-G2's were notably better.
>
> LL - NY
>
>=A0=A0=A0On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 9:29 PM, Dave C <dconner at gmail.com> wrote=
:
>
>>=A0 What would the General Arctic Altimax be like as a year-round tire?
>>=A0 Would
>> they be acceptable in the summer in a northern clime like Michigan or
>> Toronto?
>>
>> I've been >very< pleased with Nokian NRW as a year-round tire here in
>> Ohio.
>> I still have a set on my 89 100, but they are fading and will need to be
>> replaced someday.
>>
>> I know Nokian replaced the NRW with WR awhile back, and now I understand
>> they've replaced the WR with soimething else.=A0 I never tried the WR's =
but
>> heard they were also quite good, similar to the NRW.=A0 What does Nokian
>> have
>> today as a replacement for the WR?=A0 Is it as good as the NRW for
>> year-round?=A0 I know the prices are >much< higher now.=A0 But the benef=
it of
>> not needing to swap tires/wheels with the seasons makes it worth paying
>> something extra for the tires.=A0 Is there anything else out there
>> comparable
>> to the NRW?=A0 Anything even close?
>> - -
>> Dave C
>> Columbus, OH
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