[s-cars] BIRA vs Big Red (ECS2, etc)

James Bowes thermobob at hotmail.com
Mon Aug 2 02:26:59 EDT 2004

well, assuming that all thing are equal on the topics of braking power and 
reliability, you're looking at a slightly different set of deciding factors:

a - wheel fitment - spacers are a PITA, and I don't particularly trust them 
- I think they cause extra bearing wear and they're a pain when putting the 
wheels back on
b - support - ECS can give you more specific support on their products, as 
they're a one-source solution. However, you can get much better 'general' 
support through BIRA, Audiworld, etc
c - sourcing - contacting 3 or 4 vendors is not much fun - setting these 
deals up takes a lot of time
d - cost - don't know how they compare, but hey it's ALWAYS a factor. Gotta 
put a price on what your personal time is worth, too. If you save 30 bucks 
but spend 5 hours ordering parts, talking on the phone, doing sourcing 
homework, etc, then that's not a good deal in my book!

That's probably all the advice I can give ya.. I'd be happy with either 
option, honestly


>From: Robert Deis <rdeis at io.com>
>To: s-car-list at audifans.com
>Subject: Re: [s-cars] BIRA vs Big Red (ECS2, etc)
>Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 23:13:52 -0600
>On Sunday, August 1, 2004, at 09:16 PM, James Bowes wrote:
>>  I'd advise looking into the sizes of the pistons within the calipers.
>My understanding is that the cylinder areas are the same.
>>It's also important to look at the size of the rotor that each system 
>>uses, as this will have a direct effect on braking power.
>Unless I'm wrong, both the BIRA System 3 and ECS stage 2 use the same euro 
>A8 rotor.
>>all things being equal a smaller caliper will fit under a greater 
>>selection of wheels. I have the 996 calipers and have been VERY happy with 
>>them, and they fit nicely under my 17" OZ wheels.
>And I both claim to fit under stock 16" wheels, though the ECS kit warns 
>that a space may be needed.
>>One specific that may or may not be important is that the 996 calipers 
>>come in black, silver, and red. They are also priced in that order.
>Handy that I would want black. (-:
>Anything else?
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