[s-cars] Spark plug thread refurbishing
bobfrizzell at shaw.ca
Mon Jan 26 13:05:26 EST 2004
Using an impact wrench on the spark plugs!? I hope to hell this isn't
93 Canucky S4
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Bess" <mlbess at optonline.net>
To: "'Konstantine Bogach'" <kbogach at comcast.net>
Cc: <s-car-list at audifans.com>
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 9:53 AM
Subject: RE: [s-cars] Spark plug thread refurbishing
> The problem has been resolved (for minor cost). It appears the monkey lad
> at the dealer who changed the plugs 3000 miles ago used an air impact
> to remove and install the plugs. (BTW, the plugs in other cylinders were
> torqued well above specification, as the breakaway torque was over 35
> ft-lb.) When he did that, he managed to pull the seated insert out a bit
> (it is a shouldered solid insert, not an open helicoil). Thus when trying
> to toque the plug, I was actually screwing in the insert. When we pulled
> the plug, the insert came out with it. Removing the insert from the plug
> made it unusable. Threads on the insert were good, with no aluminum chips
> noted, indicating the threaded hole in the head was undisturbed.
> a new insert (with some Loctite I believe)and reinstalled to plug (to the
> proper torque ~25 ft-lbs). All seems OK. I am planning a nasty call to
> dealer (Mohegan Lake Motors, Yorktown, NY) to inform them that they have
> lost a service customer due to their mechanic's ineptitude and desire to
> beat the flat rate manual.
> Michael Bess
> '95 S6
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Konstantine Bogach [mailto:kbogach at comcast.net]
> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 11:43 AM
> To: mlbess at optonline.net
> Cc: 'Paul Souza'; s-car-list at audifans.com
> Subject: Re: [s-cars] Spark plug thread refurbishing
> I think timeset will work in this application as far as seat goes. I
> don't trust helicoil even though successfull case were reported.
> Timesert looks as more "solid" approach to me. I think you can go to
> thicker was insert if the first one failed.
> Keep us posted.
> Thank you.
> P.S. Oh man, I feel you pain!
> Michael Bess wrote:
> >I too have experienced the dreaded occurrence. I required a threaded
> >insert, which was able to be performed without removing the head. The
> >specialist who did the job did not use the Timesert because I was told
> >its geometry prevented proper plug seating against the head. Since the
> >insert installation, new plug, new coil, all was fine for at least 3000
> >miles (car ran strong all the time, no indications of plug related
> >I have the MTM/Hoppen 1+ chip modification. Then it was time for the
> >spark plug change (done at the really convenient dealer since I figured
> >could he possibly do wrong to foul up that job and the 90,000 mile
> >All had gone well until yesterday. As a precaution I had begun the 3000
> >mile spark plug torque check. Checking it for the first time yesterday
> >what I find, the toque on the same bad cylinder (#2) plug is only 15
> >I crank it about a 1/4 turn expecting the torque to rise, but no change.
> >Tried another 1/4 turn and still no change. Now I'm in a panic. Did the
> >dealer F*** something up (like back the insert all the way out and then
> >Mickey mouse reinstall?). So I called the Audi dude who did the insert
> >and reported the problem. I'll be bringing it in for him to check
> >hoping for the least amount of problem (maybe the insert did simply back
> >and it can be simply reinstalled). Will keep the list apprised of
> >If the insert itself has stripped in the head, what is the fix? New
> >Gaaah, I hate to think of the worst that can be.
> >Michael Bess
> >Project Manager-Die Casting
> >International Zinc Association
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com
> >[mailto:s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com] On Behalf Of Paul Souza
> >Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 1:31 PM
> >To: Konstantine Bogach; s-car-list at audifans.com
> >Subject: Re: [s-cars] Spark plug thread refurbishing
> >I can relate. I just went through this repair on my UrS6. Not a cheap
> >repair. The onset of symptoms was pretty rapid, but I didn't help the
> >any because after the initial symptom showed itself, it rapidly went
> >away....and then I proceeded to drive 500+ miles. So my threads were
> >pretty toasted. I had the head pulled and threads repaired (#5
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Konstantine Bogach" <kbogach at comcast.net>
> >To: <s-car-list at audifans.com>
> >Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 9:52 AM
> >Subject: [s-cars] Spark plug thread refurbishing
> >>I can't express my frustration due to the havoc made by loose spark plug
> >>in my UrS4. Just because I did not know about this species congenital
> >>defect! I don't have time to read all posts but it could save me as
> >>there were some discussions on the topic quite recently. :-(
> >>So, connector lead is shuttered, spark plug's thread is FUBAR as
> >>thread in the head, coil's plastic body is cracked. Right now I am
> >>looking at TimeSert repair kit for deep hole (upto 6''). Does anybody
> >>went through this procedureJ? Any better product than TimeSert?
> >>I don't have necessary tools to measure all geometry. Does anyone has
> >>dimensions for seat diameter and thread length?
> >>Does every one has plugs loosening? Any remedy?
> >>Thank you.
> >>P.S. Please, when new person join the list after recent car purchase,
> >>welcome him by raising awareness of loose spark plugs (anything else
> >>treacherous like this one?) :-)
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