[s-cars] Eibach/Bilstein and Camber - What's *the* Solution?

Chris Ludlow pacludlow at hotmail.com
Fri Sep 23 22:11:03 EDT 2005

Perhaps another group buy with 2B should be set up to save some $?  It seems 
as though a few people are upgrading their suspensions now or in the near 
future (myself included).  Personally I'd rather go the 2B route as opposed 
to the ECS but cost has been prohibitive for myself and many.  Perhaps the 
group buy would go over well.  ?


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From:  <i>Mark Pollan &lt;mark.pollan at mci.com&gt;</i><br>To:  <i>'Gabriel 
Caldwell' &lt;gabriel at ts.bc.ca&gt;,'LL - NY' 
&lt;larrycleung at gmail.com&gt;</i><br>CC:  
<i>s-car-list at audifans.com</i><br>Subject:  <i>Re: [s-cars] Eibach/Bilstein 
and Camber - What's *the* Solution?</i><br>Date:  <i>Fri, 23 Sep 2005 
18:56:42 -0400</i><br>&gt;I appear to have a dilemma.  Below are pros and 
cons as I see 'em.<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;ECS Pros:  Saves expensive 
rubber, less expensive (@ $250), saves expensive<br>&gt;rubber, retains 
stock bonded rubber upper strut mount, saves 
expensive<br>&gt;rubber.<br>&gt;<br>&gt;ECS Cons:  No caster adjustment, 
&quot;modification&quot; needed to fender lip<br>&gt;consisting of cutting 
and/or bending, dis-assembly of suspension to install,<br>&gt;ready made 
version of Igor mod (so quite expensive after 
all)<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;2B Pros:  Saves expensive rubber, caster 
adjustment, saves expensive rubber,<br>&gt;does not require disassembly of 
suspension to install (is this really<br>&gt;true?), saves expensive 
rubber.<br>&gt;<br>&gt;2B Cons:  Expensive (@ $600), noisy (is a stereo 
upgrade required?)<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;Looking at or above $600 
for a set of tires mounted and balanced every 15K<br>&gt;or so miles, even 
the 2B appears to be a &quot;bargain&quot;.  Any pros/cons I may<br>&gt;have 
Message-----<br>&gt;From: Gabriel Caldwell 
[mailto:gabriel at ts.bc.ca]<br>&gt;Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 5:29 
PM<br>&gt;To: LL - NY<br>&gt;Cc: Mark Pollan; 
s-car-list at audifans.com<br>&gt;Subject: RE: [s-cars] Eibach/Bilstein and 
Camber - What's *the* Solution?<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;The strut 
insert mount does not have a bonded rubber piece like 
stock.<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;Gabriel Caldwell<br>&gt;<br>&gt;   
_____<br>&gt;<br>&gt;From: LL - NY 
[mailto:larrycleung at gmail.com]<br>&gt;Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 2:19 
PM<br>&gt;To: Gabriel Caldwell<br>&gt;Cc: Mark Pollan; 
s-car-list at audifans.com<br>&gt;Subject: Re: [s-cars] Eibach/Bilstein and 
Camber - What's *the* Solution?<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;I'm confused, 
what does Solid mean. It's three pieces. The mount to 
the<br>&gt;<br>&gt;tower, the sliding plate and the actual strut mount. The 
plate can be moved<br>&gt;<br>&gt;in two planes by rotation, so the sliders 
can be oriented to slide 
both<br>&gt;laterally,<br>&gt;<br>&gt;longitudinally and in between. I've 
been considering doing the Igor mod to<br>&gt;them<br>&gt;<br>&gt;to gain a 
bit more caster as other lister's have done. Just need time, lots<br>&gt;of 
it.<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;LL - NY<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;On 
9/23/05, Gabriel Caldwell &lt;gabriel at ts.bc.ca&gt; 
wrote:<br>&gt;<br>&gt;IIRC the mounts are also solid, so be warned if you go 
this route.<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;Gabriel Caldwell<br>&gt;<br>&gt;  
  _____<br>&gt;<br>&gt;From: LL - NY [mailto: 
larrycleung at gmail.com]<br>&gt;Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 10:54 
AM<br>&gt;To: Gabriel Caldwell<br>&gt;Cc: Mark Pollan; 
s-car-list at audifans.com<br>&gt;Subject: Re: [s-cars] Eibach/Bilstein and 
Camber - What's *the* Solution?<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;2Bennet 
plates can also give you some postive caster if you don't<br>&gt;<br>&gt;end 
up using all of the travel on camber. Positive caster gives 
you<br>&gt;<br>&gt;better on center feel and centering and less positive 
camber gain<br>&gt;<br>&gt;while turning, IOW, an advantage in 
9/23/05, Gabriel Caldwell &lt; &lt;mailto:gabriel at ts.bc.ca&gt;  
gabriel at ts.bc.ca&gt;<br>&gt;wrote:<br>&gt;<br>&gt;ECS camber plates.  Some 
people can get away with slotting some can't.<br>&gt;My alignment came to 
within factory specs with slotted mounts.<br>&gt;<br>&gt;Gabriel 
Caldwell<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;-----Original Message-----<br>&gt;From: Mark 
Pollan [mailto:mark.pollan at mci.com]<br>&gt;Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 
10:33 AM<br>&gt;To: s-car-list at audifans.com<br>&gt;Subject: [s-cars] 
Eibach/Bilstein and Camber - What's *the* Solution?<br>&gt;<br>&gt;All 
Suspension Heads:<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;Patient is a 95.5 S6 with 
Eibach/Bilstein set up for over 2 years now.<br>&gt;In<br>&gt;about 12K 
miles of driving the inside edges of the tires was 
showing<br>&gt;metal.<br>&gt;I am currently at a - 1.3 camber on the fronts. 
  I have further slotted<br>&gt;the<br>&gt;upper strut mounts and maybe have 
2 or 3mm more before the mount hits<br>&gt;the<br>&gt;metal lip.  Russ 
Sutherlin was most gracious and provided me with is<br>&gt;determination 
that the Igor offset of 4mm would change my camber 
by<br>&gt;0.267<br>&gt;degrees.  That however would negate the additional 
camber I would gain<br>&gt;by<br>&gt;further slotting the upper strut mount. 
  My last set of tires cost @<br>&gt;$600<br>&gt;with mounting and 
balancing.<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;Short of going back to stock 
suspension (ain't happening), what's a guy<br>&gt;to<br>&gt;do to gain 
around 0.8 degrees of camber?  After market camber plates are<br>&gt;most 
certainly a consideration if'n the will get me where I want to 
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