tedebearp at yahoo.com
Tue Mar 14 00:31:07 EST 2006
before i got the BFG g-force KDW, i would have agreed with you that
there's no such thing as a good all-season tire. but i got a set in
225/50/16, and these tires don't give much away to the dunlop SP8000s
they replaced. the traction in the snow was good enough to get
me up a steep hill in deep snow up to the bumper on an unplowed road,
and the car felt every bit as secure as my brother's saab 9-2x aero
did with blizzak LM10s.
the next day, i took a freeway ramp at 70+ mph at full throttle in 3rd gear.
i've never had tires that could do both so well. it helps a lot that
these BFGs use the stiff carcass of the KD, which is a barely streetable
max perfomance tire. a stiff sidewall goes a long way toward improving
steering response and cornering ability.
so while these tires don't have the ultimate grip of the BFG g-force KD
or snow traction of nokian winter tires, they have excellent steering
response and they've raised my expectations of high-performance
all-season tires. i've been driving to tahoe on these tires, and so
far, the only time i've had any trouble was getting up a steep driveway
covered with ice after stopping in the middle. (backing up and getting
some momentum got me up the driveway.)
i like the KDWs (both dry and wet performance) more than the
contisportcontacts that are on the biturbo S4. i haven't had a
chance to try the biturbo S4 in the snow, but these tires aren't M+S
rated and i really doubt they'll be better.
--- LL - NY <larrycleung at gmail.com> wrote:
> FWIW, a better tire would've provided a bit more margin. Still, lift
> throttle does tend towards oversteer of the less than pleasant kind. As for
> the Pilot Sport A/S, at least according to an article in Road in Track,
> there is little difference in the dry between the A/S and the Pilot Sport
> summer. In the wet, the summer is a notably better performer than the A/S,
> in both cornering and braking. So the compromise tends to fall in the
> conditions that tend to need the most margin. Still, a decent tire with the
> option that says if it drops below freezing, you'll still have a tire that
> works vs. one that has gone to the glassing temp.
> LL - NY
> On 3/13/06, Taka Mizutani <t44tqtro at gmail.com> wrote:
> > No offense, but lift throttle oversteer isn't the tires' fault, it's yours
> > for lifting.
> > That said, everyone makes mistakes.
> > Best all season tires equates to the best "jack of all trades." That's not
> > saying much of anything.
> > If you're not averse to spending money for tires, get a proper set of
> > winter and summer tires, don't
> > buy all-season tires which are a compromise for the idiots who can't seem
> > to comprehend that you
> > shouldn't be driving on the same tires year round if you get cold weather
> > and snow in the winter and
> > hot weather in the summer.
> > Advan AD07 or Bridgestone RE-01R for summer, Nokian Hakka4/RSI/WR for
> > winter depending on how
> > severe your winter conditions.
> > 245/40R17 is the proper size for an UrS running 17x8" wheels, that is the
> > factory optional size in RoW/non-US
> > markets.
> > 255/40R17 is, strangely enough, the factory size for the C5 A6 4.2 and S6
> > Avant running 17x8" wheels, although it
> > is not within tire specification for any tire make or model that I can
> > find. Audi was running Continental Sport Contact 2
> > and Pirelli P6000 in these fitments.
> > I'll be running Falken RT-615 this summer because I'm cheap and poor. Next
> > best thing to the Advan and Bridgestones
> > I mentioned above.
> > Taka
> > On 3/13/06, lebakken1 at netzero.net <lebakken1 at netzero.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > I don't skimp on tires anymore. It cost me my '89 951S. Lift off
> > > throttle oversteer on baloney skin Dunlops. That is a BTDT I will never
> > > again.
> > >
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