[s-cars] more on omnis, ....Sciroocos, but wait, theres more
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Fri Mar 16 11:40:41 EDT 2007
A/C cars in england was one of the original tuners and had their hands in
the original cobra. My favorite tuner car was the sunbeam alpine "tiger" with
the 289 in it... Shelby has done a lot of work in the 60's and again in the
80's and 90's. RE GLH's Mike: Arrow Racing did a lot of the development
work on the GLH series, and actually had many of the GLHS parts in the Mopar
Performance Catalog. Their stage 1 hit the ground at 180hp, 5 beyond the rating
of the GLHS, with no intercooler. The bosch motronic performance computer
in the GLHturbo was able to handle a lot more modifications than the Shelby
GLHS computers. Their full monty non intercooled setup hit 225hp, with no IC.
BTDT. The Mopar performance spring set was the same rate and height as the
S's, tho monroe sport struts were used. The front uprights are unique in
the S in that the factory camber setting was changed to be a bit more negative,
then put back on the assembly line. All of which meant that a guy wanting
to run CSP could stack the deck quite heavily with a lot of factory looking
parts (I 'heard' you could delete the 'P' prefix with rustoleum gloss
black...:) and the computer was a complete swap too.
Shelby had some neat developments on the GLH series: One of the first 5
valve heads, DOHC turbo and AWD. However, what I consider most impressive is
that for all the touting the 92 S car had regarding the motronic 'overboost'
mode back in 1985, with hot wire MAF. Dodge also was the first production car
to use the water jacketed turbocharger (beating audi by a few months in
1985my). In 1989 Dodge actually used the IHI (Mitsubishi) VNT in all turbo 2.2
cars. Always wanted to try one on the I5.
BTW Mike, I helped supply a guy with some parts for a GLH turbo that I
believe is still running. 2.5L DOHC with some monster FMIC. Low 11 second
quarters. Coming back to Audi Content, I really think that a lot of the I5
development could actually learn something from those boys at Chrysler. As a kid
fresh out of college hanging around the dynos at Arrow Racing in MI, those
engineers wearing the Pentastar badges were much further ahead in 2.2L turbo
development than audi was at the time.
In a message dated 3/16/2007 6:26:35 A.M. Central Standard Time,
larrycleung at gmail.com writes:
The GT40 wasn't really a tuner car, it was a factory prototype. The Mk 1's
(289 cid) didn't hit the road (ehh, track) until 1964, limited run, the Mk
II's (427 cid) are the ones that got all of the glory at LeMans and Sebring
starting in 1965. MkIV's (427, new aero) last ran in privateer hands in
1969. GT40's were first assembled in England, then moved to Holman and
Moody/Shelby later in the production, starting with the Mk II. They were
never considered Shelby's as they had various producers, Lola, H&M, etc.
LL - NY
On 3/16/07, Taka Mizutani <t44tqtro at gmail.com> wrote:
> You forgot the GT40- Shelby had a hand in that car, too, although I'm
> pretty sure GT40s were assembled in
> England, not California, right?
> Furthermore, the current Shelby GT is also produced by Shelby in
> California, while the GT-H is not. I don't know
> where the GT-500 is made.
> Sorry, the only Shelby cars I'm interested in have Ford power, not Mopar.
> On 3/15/07, LL - NY <larrycleung at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Wasn't the "original" tuner car (with factory backing) the "original"
> > 1964
> > Shelby Cobra? If not,
> > I'd go with the 1965 Shelby GT350.
> > Just a thought...
> > LL - NY
> > Wow, we've morphed into the //Shelby list, too!
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