[s-cars] S Car values

hoog23 at aol.com hoog23 at aol.com
Tue Jul 28 11:54:16 PDT 2009

A couple of weeks ago I rode in a brand new lexus rx450 hybrid - I had to tell the?driver?it was the nicest taxi I had ever ridden in.

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From: joe.pizzimenti at gmail.com
To: Joshua Van Tol <josh at spiny.com>; s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com; djdawson2 at aol.com
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Subject: Re: [s-cars] S Car values

I've seen a bunch of NYC taxis that are either Prii, Escape or Camry hybrids.  
Makes a ton of sense for high mileage stop & go traffic.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Joshua Van Tol <josh at spiny.com>

Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 12:50:11 
To: <djdawson2 at aol.com>
Cc: <s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com>; <s-car-list at audifans.com>
Subject: Re: [s-cars] S Car values

As a data point here I've got a 1987 5kcstq that I'm trading for $4500 off
of a new Jetta TDI. That car hasn't been worth that much in at least 10
years, it's a very good deal for certain people. My vw dealer, and a couple
others I've talked to say that it's not lower income folks taking advantage
of this. Rather it's middle income thrifty types who have a second or third
car as a spare.

As a means of stimulating the economy, it's pretty direct.

BTW, much of that "prius isn't green" stuff is made up lies. At one point
the "fact" that a prius was more environmentally costly than a hummer was
out there. It just isn't true. Now a Jetta TDI vs a prius? I'd wager the
Jetta wins, and is a much nicer car to drive to boot. But there's a place
for the prius. If I were doing stop and go city driving I'd seriously
consider it, as the 51 mpg city is very hard to beat, but I have a 90%
highway 60 mile (total) commute each day, and the TDI will do very well on
that, plus it's a darn nice car.

As for economics, I'm sure the Obama team has heard of the Laffer curve, but
if I'm not mistaken, the current consensus on that idea is that it's a gross
simplification. I'm not a fan of every thing Obama has done, or will likely
do, but this isn't a particularly terrible piece of legislation. It
stimulates the sales of new cars, and gets some unsafe and fuel inefficient
cars off the road. The cars are not completely destroyed, the salvage yards
are allowed to re-sell some parts of the car, just not the "long block", and
the car must ultimately be crushed or shredded.

Anyone who really wants to know the details of the program should go to
gov. The complete rules are posted there, in more detail than
you'll care to read, including the exact procedure for destroying the
engine, the paperwork required to prevent fraud, the amount of funds allowed
to be used for administrative purposes ($50m out of $1b), etc.

On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 12:09 PM, <djdawson2 at aol.com> wrote:

>  You guys are all making too much sense.
> Give a guy $4500 towards buying a new car that the buyer can't afford.?
> Good stuff.? Makes no sense.
> "Green?"? Yeah, I see that everyday in my work too.? "Green" fleets, and
> the promotion of hybrid vehicles.? The Prius is the biggest joke I've ever
> seen.? It is probably the most non-green thing on the road.? But the
> percetion of green is all that matters to our politicians.? Why bother to go
> out and do a study on how devastating the creation and disposal of a hybrid
> is to our environment?? All I care about is emissions and fuel mileage.
> I do wonder when our government will start making sense.? It seems to have
> taken a major turn for the worse as of late.
> Economics... I wonder if Obama has ever heard of the Laffer Curve?
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