[torsen] Re: [urq] Quattro handling - a relevant quote

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Mon Apr 15 23:00:34 EDT 2002

"It is better to go into a corner slowly and come out
fast than it is to go in fast and come out dead."
Sterling Moss



--- QSHIPQ at aol.com wrote:
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> Don:
> Thorough reads of awd documentation, especially
> urq's are available, and
> dictate that all is not lost with your q.  It's a
> driving technique thing.
> In like a lamb out like a lion, no one speaks it
> more exactly than herr
> Buffum himself.  Stig Blomqvist also shares that you
> need to adjust driving
> to the understeer, and once you do, driving quattro
> is easier because of
> predictability.  Jeff Goggin hit the nail on the
> head, quattro is more a fwd
> car than a rwd car, stop trying to fight it's
> character, learn to drive it.
> Interestingly, Stig's sucesses were in fwd Saab's
> before quattros.  You look
> at his record (especially in the N/A 80q vs A1),
> this really becomes the main
> issue in terms of driving q's hard.
> You *must* also be proficient in Left Foot Braking
> technique to properly
> drive a quattro IME/O/R.  AWD is driving FWD with
> LFB.  You must also
> understand that those diff locks are there for a
> reason.  There are very few
> cars that can outhandle a properly driven urq on a
> track or on the street.
> You really sound like a good candidate for a ACCNA
> driving school.  Take a
> ride with Keith Anderson, or a couple others that
> have a high understanding
> of the urq in terms of handling...  You will find
> that the upper limit is
> higher than even the latest and greatest.  The urq
> is one of the finest of
> the quattro heritage, in performance and
> predictability.  You also will find
> in EVERY read, even the best quattro race drivers
> continue to learn about
> it's limits, you *won't* find any driver (buffum,
> stig or WR included) that
> claims mastery.
> "After that rally I realsized what was happening. 
> It was because I was
> applying fwd techniques to a 4wd car.  With front
> wheel drive you control the
> attitude of the car with the brake.  With rear wheel
> drive you control the
> attitude with the throttle.   With 4wd you balance
> between the brake and
> throttle to keep the car in an attitude so that ou
> can use the advantages of
> 4wd to accelerate as soon as possible out of a
> corner.  You use the
> advantages of power and improved 4wd traction to
> acclerate out of the corner
> and down the straightaway.  After I figured out what
> I was doing I was much
> better the next rally and kept improving until I
> stopped in 1987" - John
> Buffum
> SJ
> In a message dated 4/12/02 9:10:53 AM Central
> Daylight Time,
> DGraber460 at aol.com writes:
> Thanks to all that responded.
> I'm somewhat dismayed by the consensus that
> understeer is standard issue. The
> original R&T article in 1983 states that the URQ
> turned a faster lap in '82
> than the stock 928 being tested at the same time at
> the Nurburgring. The
> article stated that although the Porsche had more HP
> the quattro allowed the
> URQ to out corner the big Porsche.
> I had a 928 for 5 years. They are _very_ tail happy.
> In the situation I was
> in the other day, the 928 (or any non-pushing car)
> would eat the URQ's lunch.
> I've always read and believed that push was a deadly
> sin in racing, and
> designed into mundane "mommy-box" commuter cars as a
> safety feature, trying
> to keep the uninitiated from getting into trouble.
> Oversteer can be overcome by hanging the tail out
> and driving sideways
> (throttle steer and all that). Push on the other
> hand is much more difficult
> (if not impossible) to overcome.
> Am I missing someything here?
> I need to be enlightened as I'm now not confident I
> can outhandle less
> competent cars.
> Dennis Graber
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