[urq] Firewall brace for clutch/master cyl.

[Ingo Rautenberg]

Excellent, Ben.

Much better image as to how it attaches.  The Ebay pic was useless in  
making it understandable as to how it works and was photographed from  
a very poor angle of view.



On Apr 27, 2009, at 12:24 PM, Ben Howell wrote:

> I tried posting this earlier today, but have yet to see it come  
> across the list, so heres goes again.....
>
> The eBay part is a factory RR part. It is designed to anchor the  
> clutch master from the INSIDE of the car to the cast aluminum piece  
> that supports the pedals and steering column. In other words, yes  
> this is an OEM  firewall brace. If you don’t have the RR aluminum  
> support though, you would need to modify your existing piece and it  
> would be difficult (at best) to do it in the car. You can see a  
> picture of it here:
>
> http://forums.audiworld.com/album.php?albumid=22057&pictureid=163311
>
> The option 034 offers, as you probably know, anchors the clutch  
> master to the steering rack mounting point at the wheel well, with  
> no modification needed.
>
> The 034 option is the clear choice winner IMHO. Unless you are a  
> die hard, gotta have OEM, kinda person.
>
> Ben
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ingo Rautenberg <ingo.rautenberg at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Apr 27, 2009 10:22 AM
>> To: urq <urq at pacbell.net>
>> Cc: 'Audifans' <urq at audifans.com>
>> Subject: Re: [urq] Firewall brace for clutch/master cyl.
>>
>> OK,
>>
>> I looked at the Ebay ad on a regular computer screen.  I still don't
>> understand that how that ebay part works.
>>
>> The 034 part is like Jeff's part in that it basically attaches to the
>> clutch master and brake master.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Ingo
>>
>> On Apr 27, 2009, at 11:26 AM, urq wrote:
>>
>>> You have an edge on me as my German is nearly non-existent ...
>>> especially on
>>> technical terms ... but I did use some on-line resources to try to
>>> figure
>>> things out:
>>>
>>> 	Spritzwand => firewall
>>> 	Verstärkungsblech => reinforcement sheet
>>>
>>> ... the eBay ad's title indicates that the part is intended for an
>>> urq:
>>>
>>> 	"Kupplungsverstärkungsblech f Audi 80 90 Ur- quattro T85"
>>>
>>> Based on your statement it sounds like Jeff's part is indeed a
>>> firewall
>>> stiffener of some sort ... from hearing a description I thought
>>> that it
>>> connected the firewall to the pedal mount ... apparently that is a
>>> mistaken
>>> impression.
>>>
>>> My personal preference would be for something that connected the
>>> pedal mount
>>> to the clutch M/C ... and if the 034M part does not do this I'd be
>>> tempted
>>> to try the other part.
>>>
>>> Steve Buchholz
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>
>>> Well, first let me say I'm sorry that I had to include the body of
>>> Steve's
>>> reply in my reply, but that's how my Blackberry works. I bought the
>>> clutch
>>> master brace from Jeff a few years back, so I'm pretty confident
>>> the two are
>>> NOT the same.
>>>
>>> Besides, the German Description in no way mentions the clutch master
>>> cylinder -- and you know how accurate those Germans are...
>>>
>>>
>>> Ingo Rautenberg
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: "urq" <urq at pacbell.net>
>>>
>>> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 07:59:37
>>> To: 'Audifans'<urq at audifans.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [urq] Firewall brace for clutch/master cyl.
>>>
>>>
>>> .... not sure I agree Ingo ... but then I don't know.  I'll forward
>>> the
>>> message to Jeff (the person who designed and first manufactured the
>>> part
>>> Javad sells) for his thoughts.
>>>
>>> The problem which causes the firewall failures is exactly that the
>>> clutch
>>> M/C is attached to the firewall ... as the clutch is depressed the
>>> same
>>> force required to force the clutch open is pushing the firewall
>>> forward.
>>> When the car is new the force is fairly light, but as the clutch
>>> wears the
>>> force gets higher ... as does the stress on the firewall.  Over
>>> time the
>>> bending back and forth weakens the sheet metal that the firewall is
>>> made
>>> from and it cracks.  Audi's solution to this problem (at least on
>>> the T44
>>> and V8) was to mount the master cylinder to the pedal mounting
>>> casting.
>>>
>>> Without having used either product it is a little difficult to see
>>> how they
>>> are installed ... but they should attach to the clutch M/C mounting
>>> bolts
>>> and the bracket the pedals are mounted to to carry the pedal
>>> force.  Funny,
>>> I think I can visualize how the eBay part works ... I think Jeff's
>>> part may
>>> attach to the bracketry attached to the steering column.  I suspect
>>> the
>>> difference in price is that the 034M part is machined from billet,
>>> where the
>>> other part appears to be stamped.  I know Jeff's part can be  
>>> installed
>>> without disconnecting the clutch pedal linkage, it looks like the
>>> other part
>>> with require the linkage be disconnected.
>>>
>>> Steve Buchholz
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>
>>> Two totally different parts. The ebay one is a clutch strengthening
>>> piece
>>> and appears to be for the clutch mechanism itself -- not a firewall
>>> brace!
>>>
>>>
>>> Ingo Rautenberg
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: "Maurits Jonkergouw" <urquattro at moregraphics.nl>
>>>
>>> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 15:19:01
>>> To: Audifans<urq at audifans.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [urq] Firewall brace for clutch/master cyl.
>>>
>>>
>>> If you look at both pictures it's hard to believe they are build
>>> for the
>>> same purpose, can
>>> anyone technically explain why they look so different? Price is also
>>> different lol.
>>>
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [urq] Firewall brace for clutch/master cyl.
>>> http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
>>> ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=1
>>> 30297000457
>>>
>>>
>>> Subject: [urq] 034 : Firewall brace for clutch/master cyl.
>>> http://www.034motorsport.com/product_info.php?products_id=76
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Maurits
>>>
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