[V8] Fw: UFO Brake Conversion

William Gutierrez lundabo at msn.com
Thu Apr 29 20:22:28 EDT 2004

Fair enough.  I guess I based my opinion on my experience of going through 3 
sets of new rotors over the first 120,000 miles on the car because the local 
dealer and my local shop reported that everyone was having these problems 
(which is why Audi started doing the swap for free) and there was nothing 
that could be done to turn the rotor.  I'ld like to know what speed Keith 
was doing his "Italian Tuneups" from, but hard stops from 60 mph weren't 
doing it for me.  If I hadn't had all the problems with my UFOs, I probably 
would not have switched them out, because they did stop the car well when 
they weren't straight.

Your point on BIRA is well taken, David, but isn't there still some shop 
affiliated with BIRA that will sell the whole package and thus enable the 
purchaser to avoid the liability limiting subterfuge of BIRA?

>From: "Coleman, David" <David.Coleman at blackrock.com>
>To: "William Gutierrez" <lundabo at msn.com>, <baumanns at baldwin-telecom.net>,  
>  <v8 at audifans.com>
>Subject: RE: [V8] Fw: UFO Brake Conversion
>Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 15:51:17 -0400
> > Whatever merits the UFO's had when new and in good condition,
> > were lost when
> > they warped, which they always did.
>Respectfully, perhaps yours "always" did, but "never" is in fact the 
>appropriate term for my experience.  I think you're overgeneralizing 
>something too subjective -- driving technique, conditions, and geography.  
>Maybe more conducive to European roads, UFOs in the US were a defeat 
>snatched from the hands of victory.  The majority of drivers here don't 
>have the intimate communication with the car that UFOs were designed to 
>incorporate.  Not to get all zen or whatever.
>That said, I agree completely re: BIRA setup.  I ditched my dogcrap G60s 
>for their 996-equipped System 3 and I saw a drastic difference, in every 
>circumstance from traffic jams to threshold braking.  Scott, I'd gladly 
>give you my old G60 calipers, but one caveat of converting to BIRA is you 
>can't sell the car or equipment without the buyer joining the association.  
>So I keep these nasty paperweights bonking around my garage just in case.
>I last heard Audiconnection's Wilwood application has been shelved -- 
>probably due to Wilwood's temperamental street-use.  Dunno.

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