[V8] V8 Avant FS

Roger Woodbury rmwoodbury at roadrunner.com
Mon Apr 27 09:40:52 PDT 2009

One of the nice things about being in Maine, and being on pretty good
relations with my wrench, is that inspections and emissions are not an
issue.  Outside of Cumberland and York counties there is no such thing as
emissions.  In addition to that, my wrench is my inspection station, so
inspecting the car would be no issue.

The original object was to take a garden variety A6 Avant from 1997, and
give it what it really needs:  an additional seventy horsepower by sticking
a 3.6 litre V8 into the engine bay.  

But at the end of the day, IF an Avant with real poke is desired, it is
simpler now to go out and buy a 2002 S6 Avant that has between 60 and 80,000
miles.  There aren't a huge number of them, but they do exist in the
$12,000-19,000 range.

But for about $15,000 I can buy a very nice, low mileage Porsche 928, and
frankly, since we have a station wagon now, I would rather add the
928....but first a house and kitchen needs to get built.  Don't hold your
breath for breaking auto news from this household!


-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 12:24 PM
To: Roger Woodbury; V8 at audifans.com
Subject: Re: [V8] V8 Avant FS

One problem I see arising from your proposed swap Roger, is that your 
stating off with a chassis that's newer than the motor you want to swap in. 
Big no no, and wont get by inspection or emissions(if applicable) While you 
are allowed to swap out motors , they must be from same year or newer 
car(  Your best bet would be to start out with an abh, and stuff that into a

100/s4. Good luck. BTW, there is already a  97 S6+ here CT , so it can be 
done. Al
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Roger Woodbury" <rmwoodbury at roadrunner.com>
To: <V8 at audifans.com>
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 1:27 AM
Subject: Re: [V8] V8 Avant FS

> Ok, guys.  Cool off.  The Euro V8 is NOT going to come to the USofA.  Not
> now, not later, not ever.  Unless someone is a total idiot and that total
> idiot has more money than brains.
> For openers, there is slim to NO WAY that the car could be legally used in
> the US.  Even if it were possible to import the car for use on US roads 
> with
> US license, the cost would be prohibitive, and with no good reason to do 
> it.
> For the cost of importing and Federalizing a '94 5 speed Euro C4 Avant, 
> you
> could easily buy a 2002 S6 Avant, and have arguably twice the car...well,
> maybe the SAME car but better.  So it would seem anyway.
> For all of you long sufferers of my automotive moaning and groanings on 
> this
> list, I have actively pursued the concept of a V8 C4 Avant, using a "known
> good" A6 Avant donor body, and dropping in a "known good" V8 engine and
> drive train.  Of the latter, there are many and manifold examples, all for
> cheap dollars, with the added benefit that the miscellaneous other parts
> could be held as spares for my current '90 V8, which is a superb example 
> of
> Audi's best.
> Anyway, my favorite wrench is really interested in doing the project, so I
> can say that possibly, next winter during the "slow season" which arrives
> with Santa's sleigh, we could roll in the Avant that is sitting there and
> the donor car and go to town.  The A6S could then emerge along about March
> 31's, depending on how fast the guys spraying the paint are, and some 
> other
> stuff.
> I know that it sounds like I have it all figured out.  But there are 
> several
> catches, and I will lay them out for you all to ponder.
> First of all, there is the question:  WHY bother?  No good reason 
> actually,
> except that the A6 Avant would be SOOOO much nicer if it had only about
> seventy more horsepower.  Now the 3.6 litre V8 has around 240, and the A6
> Avant weighs some less than a V8 sedan..catch my drift?  The most prolific
> V8 stash is the 3.6, which would provide plenty of push for the A6 Avant.
> So the answer to the question is simply, that the A6 Avant NEEDS more 
> push.
> We can all agree about that.
> Second.  There is the cost to make the whole thing happen.  It seems to 
> work
> out like this:
> *         Cost of the donor car:  $300.  That is what my wrench has in it
> now, and he can keep the old engine and probably the rear end, too.  The
> transmission in the donor car is seriously in trouble, since the gear
> selector lever will not select gears, meaning that something serious is
> frozen up inside.
> *         1990 donor car:  $500-3500 depending on the car, condition,
> mileage, and "stuff" tacked on to it.
> *         Assorted mechanical and miscellaneous engineering time and 
> labor.
> AHA!  This is the biggie because we are entering uncharted waters here. 
> The
> engine compartment of the C4 has oodles of room for the V8, and the other
> dimensions appear to be within millimeters of each other.the donor and the
> A6 Avant.
> But we don't' REALLY know how to do it, so this could be majorbigtime. 
> The
> donor car in question is a well cared for example with 212,000 miles. You
> KNOW that there will be A/C issues, or at least heater core and blower
> issues, and who knows what else?  I know now that the recipient car has 
> had
> fairly recent tires and brakes and suspension stuff, so I am not worried
> about that.  It does need a good interior cleaning, but that isn't a major
> factor.  So by the time we get the engine/transmission/rear differential 
> and
> driveshaft stuff sorted, and installed, the body spruced up and repainted,
> and the car really ready to go out on the road to show, I expect the tab
> will blow through twelve grand..and that if we are lucky.  Now, ther e is 
> a
> lot of incidental stuff included in that, and the tab could run higher or
> lower, but it still will run around the same level.
> *         So the total for the project will be north of $15,000, you can
> also buy a 2002S6 Avant, which is arguably a much better deal with half 
> the
> mileage.
> So, yeah, your sales and exise taxes are lower, but I doubt that it all
> evens out.  Since I won't do my own wrenching, it seems a nonstarter.
> Besides, I have also been fantasizing about something else.  I really 
> would
> like to have another relatively low mileage Porsche 928.  I can easily
> "sell" that one to my wife, AFTER I get the new house and most 
> importantly,
> HER new kitchen built.
> And about those snide comments about Maine's common border with Canada, I
> can assure you that after those screwballs who hijacked planes in New York
> came in to the US across the Canadian/Maine border, they are no longer
> telling jokes up there.  I just came back to the US from Canada crossing
> without incident, but there were more of them there than of us.
> Roger
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