From kellyjm at utinet.net Mon Jul 1 00:33:26 2002 From: kellyjm at utinet.net (John M. Kelly) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:56 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] front strut bearing question Message-ID: <000c01c220b0$10ff60a0$635894ce@meanbee> Hello out there, As far as any of ya'll know, is there a heavy duty version of the upper strut mount for A1's? Polyurethane maybe? Also, anybody know of any polyurethane bump stops that can be had? The front struts on the truck are shot, so the plan is to replace them with heavy duty Bilstein struts and urethane everything. Ball joints and wheel bearings will get replaced while I'm at it, and the outer CV boots if they're looking dry. Anybody recommend replacing the A arm bushings? My rabbit has ~340K and I've never done it, just wondering if anybody's seen a difference. thanks, john k. From nwall at opei.org Mon Jul 1 11:41:51 2002 From: nwall at opei.org (Nate Wall) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:56 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] Interesting item on eBayMotors web site item#1840234402: Jetta diesel instrument gauge, tachometer References: <200206290117.g5T1H1xq032229@kira.ebay.com> Message-ID: <3D206A2F.A29CF067@opei.org> -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Hmm, its from a TD, US-sold all right, but '86 was the last year. He claim= s its from an '88. --Nate dieseltdi@earthlink.net wrote: > Not mine just thought someone on the list might be interested. I saw t= his item for sale at eBayMotors, The World's Online Marketplace TM, and tho= ught that you might be interested. > > Title of item: Jetta diesel instrument gauge, tachometer > Seller: tllorenz > Starts: Jun-28-02 13:42:10 PDT > Ends: Jul-08-02 13:42:10 PDT > Price: Starts at $10.00 > To bid on the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISA= PI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D1840234402 > > Item Description: > OEM VW insturment gauge cluster with tachometer from my 1988 Dies= el Jetta, by VDO for VW. Worked fine when removed in good condition. Buyer = to pay $12.00 for shipping within US. Rates differ for Hawaii and Alaska...= email me for rate. If you win multiple auctions, email for combined shippin= g charge. I accept cashiers checks, money orders, and Visa, MasterCard, Dis= cover and American Express through Paypal.Good luck! > > Visit eBay, The World's Online Marketplace TM at http://www.ebay.= com/ebaymotors > _______________________________________________ > vwdiesel mailing list > vwdiesel@vwfans.com > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/vwdiesel -- From nwall at opei.org Mon Jul 1 11:58:42 2002 From: nwall at opei.org (Nate Wall) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:56 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] Re: [Audi-VW-Diesels] hoses for TD References: Message-ID: <3D206E22.2D4B0F2A@opei.org> -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] This is the two pre-formed ones off the cooler, right? I don't have extras, but could read the part numbers off of mine if you like. --Nate dieseltdi@earthlink.net wrote: > OK guys I am having fits. I am trying to finish up on the turbo > engine so I > can put it into my truck but have run in to a problem. I need the > hose or > hoses that connect the oil cooler back into the water pump. This is > the > lower of the small connections to the water pump and where the return > water > from the water pipe comes back to the pump. I think the there may > actually > be 2 hoses: ONe from the water pipe to the pump and one from the oil > cooler > to a side connection on the water pipe. Could one of you turbo people > check > this out for me and if any one has a complete set hanging around I > sure > would appreciate it if you could sell them to me! :^) Thanks, Hayden > > -- Visit my homepage at http://home.earthlink.net/~dieseltdi > 2002 Jetta Wagon GLS TDI > 98 New Beetle TDI (now sold) > 98 Jetta TDI (Silver Arrow) > 98 Jetta TDI (daughter's car) > 90 Corrado (son's car) > 81 VW Rabbit Pickup (Caddy, just acquired) > And many, many water cooled and aircooled > VW cars now departed or sold. > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- From jonaedgar at earthlink.net Mon Jul 1 11:58:10 2002 From: jonaedgar at earthlink.net (jonaedgar) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:56 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] (isNaN(which.CCNumber.value))) Message-ID: <20020701145810.B7DCE27D@www.audifans.com> -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] ------------------ Virus Warning Message (on www.audifans.com) Found virus WORM_KLEZ.H in file tempobj.exe The file is deleted. --------------------------------------------------------- From root at localhost.audifans.com Mon Jul 1 11:58:20 2002 From: root at localhost.audifans.com (root@localhost.audifans.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:56 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] Virus Alert Message-ID: <20020701145820.DC29627D@www.audifans.com> Have detected a virus (WORM_KLEZ.H) in your mail traffic on 07/01/2002 10:58:10 with an action deleted. From jjhoehl at hotmail.com Mon Jul 1 17:24:04 2002 From: jjhoehl at hotmail.com (jonathan hoehl) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:56 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] compatibility Message-ID: Thanks for all of the responses about the new bug. Turns out the car is going to salvage and my friend wanted the place to get their money's worth so we couldn't take much off of the car. I thought about buying it, but they wanted $2800 for a salvage title! Jon _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From flub at adelphia.net Mon Jul 1 19:09:30 2002 From: flub at adelphia.net (Bradley Flubacher) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:56 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] environmental concerns Message-ID: <3D20D31A.5020001@adelphia.net> Standing at work today, someone said "you can't drive a diesel and claim to be at all environmentally concious". I didn't know how to respond to this. Can someone help??? :) Brad From scott3491 at insightbb.com Mon Jul 1 18:32:48 2002 From: scott3491 at insightbb.com (Scott Kair) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:56 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] environmental concerns References: <3D20D31A.5020001@adelphia.net> Message-ID: <001101c2214f$48328a80$6601a8c0@insightbb.com> > Standing at work today, someone said "you can't drive a diesel and claim > to be at all environmentally concious". I didn't know how to respond to > this. Can someone help???<< Nothing short of deprogramming will help that person. You might, though, start out by stating, "You can't deride the type of engine recently endorsed by the California Air Resources Board, and actually preferred by the Euro IV clean air standards, and claim to be conscious. Go and do your homework." Cheers, Scott Kair From yonkdaddy at triton.net Mon Jul 1 20:27:53 2002 From: yonkdaddy at triton.net (yonkdaddy) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:56 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] Darling Message-ID: <20020701232753.6CD883B8@www.audifans.com> -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] ------------------ Virus Warning Message (on www.audifans.com) Found virus WORM_KLEZ.H in file you.exe The file is deleted. --------------------------------------------------------- From root at localhost.audifans.com Mon Jul 1 20:28:01 2002 From: root at localhost.audifans.com (root@localhost.audifans.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:56 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] Virus Alert Message-ID: <20020701232801.29FAC3B8@www.audifans.com> Have detected a virus (WORM_KLEZ.H) in your mail traffic on 07/01/2002 19:27:53 with an action deleted. From hillsgrove at adelphia.net Mon Jul 1 21:02:26 2002 From: hillsgrove at adelphia.net (Lee Hillsgrove) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:56 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] environmental concerns Message-ID: <003401c2215b$c1134000$23263618@lee.bur.adelphia.net.> >Standing at work today, someone said "you can't drive a diesel and claim >to be at all environmentally concious". I didn't know how to respond to >this. Can someone help??? :) > A swift punch to the nose? :-)) One word: Biodiesel. Lee Oo-v-oO PP-ASEL KB1GNI From Jonbonbart at aol.com Mon Jul 1 21:56:55 2002 From: Jonbonbart at aol.com (Jonbonbart@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:56 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] environmental concerns Message-ID: <104.17e4bcf7.2a525457@aol.com> Another (actually the same) word: Biodiesel Lower total (production and use) CO2 greenhouse gas emissions per BTU than any liquid or gaseous fuel. Lower total CO2 than hydrogen gas or liquid derived from fossil fuel (i.e., the highly touted gasoline fuel cell). Only electricity from solar, geothermal, tidal, wind and nuclear have lower total greenhouse gas emissions. Higher renewability than ANY fuel source other than solar, tidal, wind. Lower toxicity than table salt. Biodegrades as quickly as sugar. Contains no chemicals known to the state of California to cause cancer. Not regulated by the EPA as a hazardous substance. In use since 1901. Can be made at home. Supports local farmers. No cost to convert. Can be mixed in any percentage ratio with petroleum diesel. Smells better, too. Jonathan Bartlett From hillsgrove at adelphia.net Mon Jul 1 22:20:14 2002 From: hillsgrove at adelphia.net (Lee Hillsgrove) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:56 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] environmental concerns Message-ID: <004101c22166$9f531c00$23263618@lee.bur.adelphia.net.> On a related note, Help get biodiesel available at a pump near you! http://www.biodieselnow.com/ Lee Oo-v-oO PP-ASEL KB1GNI From steve at dropkin.net Mon Jul 1 21:42:04 2002 From: steve at dropkin.net (Steve Dropkin) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:56 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] environmental concerns In-Reply-To: <3D20D31A.5020001@adelphia.net> References: <3D20D31A.5020001@adelphia.net> Message-ID: >Standing at work today, someone said "you can't drive a diesel and claim >to be at all environmentally concious". I didn't know how to respond to >this. Can someone help??? :) Sure. Find out what misinformation they've heard about modern diesels and work from there. Odds on they're thinking of the slow, stinky, soot-belching semi they were behind on the freeway. You know modern diesel cars are different. You can also tell them that, despite the fact that diesels do produce more visible exhaust, it's the invisible stuff (NOx and the like) that kills, and diesels produce much less of that. You can argue fuel economy and alternatives: you're getting half-again the mileage you could get in a gas VW, and much more mileage than in any number of popular automobiles. All that oil has to come from somewhere and be refined and transported. There's an environmental cost to all that. And what's the alternative? Those expensive hybrids (or electrics) with huge battery packs? Are those recyclable? Solar? The chemicals used to make solar panels don't have a half-life -- some of them are poisonous forever. Finally, in the case of VWs, German law requires that most of the car be recyclable. Take apart your recent-model VW and note the recycling symbols and materials classifications on most of the parts. Offer to your colleague the option of disassembling their car to determine how much is recyclable there. Let us know how you do. Steve From LBaird119 at aol.com Mon Jul 1 23:01:07 2002 From: LBaird119 at aol.com (LBaird119@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:56 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] environmental concerns Message-ID: <18.2184479a.2a526363@aol.com> > Standing at work today, someone said "you can't drive a diesel and claim > to be at all environmentally concious". I didn't know how to respond to > this. Can someone help??? :) > Sure biodiesel but you have to have some ammo for petroleum diesel as well. :) First off, unburned hydrocarbons are nearly nonexistent WITHOUT the aid of an air pump or catalytic converter. Carbon monoxide is nearly nonexistent as well. There's the two main environmental concerns of most people. Then you get to having oxygen left over after combustion which gas engines don't. There's more torque so a smaller engine will propel the same size car with more "pull" especially when turbocharged. A diesel uses about a third of the fuel than a comparable gas car. For every 3rd tank of fuel in a diesel a comparable gas car will be "throwing away" one tank! That's environmentally conscious??? :o Less tune ups so less "garbage" to throw away. The exhaust system usually lasts 3 to 4 times as long so more "less waste" and less resources used. Same goes along with the engines lasting longer. Also a "tired" diesel engine will produce less pollution than a tired gas engine will. No big clouds of blue smoke following a diesel, (unless there's no timing retard like on some old trucks). THEN you punch him in the nose! Loren From Jonbonbart at aol.com Tue Jul 2 00:00:06 2002 From: Jonbonbart at aol.com (Jonbonbart@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:56 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] environmental concerns Message-ID: In a message dated 7/1/02 9:47:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, steve@dropkin.net writes: << Find out what misinformation they've heard about modern diesels and work from there. it's the invisible stuff (NOx and the like) that kills, and diesels produce much less of that. >> That is misinformation. Diesels have higher combustion temperatures than gasoline engines. This is part of why they have higher efficiency. Diesels have no throttle plate to create a vacuum. They pull in the full displacement of air each stroke. These lower pumping losses also improve the efficiency. The bad side is that the higher temperatures and more residual oxygen once the meager fuel has burned means that more, not less, NOx compounds are produced. The oxygen that remains once the fuel is consumed combines with nitrogen due to the higher pressure and temperature into the smog producing compounds collectively called NOx. Exhaust Gas Recirculation goes a long way in reducing the excess O2 available for combining, but the relatively high sulfur content in petroleum diesel fuel limits the amount of EGR before the SO2 condenses and begins eating the intake. Once the US joins the rest of the world and forbids the use of high sulfur diesel fuel then this last argument against diesels will be moot. Oh, Did I mention? Biodiesel, unlike petroleum diesel, contains NO Sulfur! No limits to the amount of EGR for NOx reduction. Retarding injection timing by 2 degrees will do the same reduction without EGR. Jonathan Bartlett From larrywbu at as.net Tue Jul 2 00:26:10 2002 From: larrywbu at as.net (larrywbu) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:56 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] The NT operating system.) Message-ID: <20020702032610.0FC2D40B@www.audifans.com> -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] ------------------ Virus Warning Message (on www.audifans.com) Found virus WORM_KLEZ.H in file liltoohappy.bat The file is deleted. --------------------------------------------------------- From root at localhost.audifans.com Tue Jul 2 00:26:14 2002 From: root at localhost.audifans.com (root@localhost.audifans.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:57 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] Virus Alert Message-ID: <20020702032614.1481240E@www.audifans.com> Have detected a virus (WORM_KLEZ.H) in your mail traffic on 07/01/2002 23:26:09 with an action deleted. From hillsgrove at adelphia.net Tue Jul 2 00:42:42 2002 From: hillsgrove at adelphia.net (Lee Hillsgrove) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:57 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] '80 Dasher diesel FS Message-ID: <009601c2217a$873f6240$23263618@lee.bur.adelphia.net.> Cross posted from Fred's TDI forum. I don't know anything about this car, so don't ask me! Looks like it's located in Louisville, KY. Lee Oo-v-oO PP-ASEL KB1GNI Have '80 coupe Dasher diesel for sale. Has cold air, appox. 150K(odo stopped 2 years ago, Blaupunkt radio, good interior, hood needs paint, right fender has a dent. I put new rings and rod bearings in last year and this car burns virtually no oil. I put fast glow plug system in it and new shocks all around last year. $925.00 drives it home. email=parknsell@juno.com From LBaird119 at aol.com Tue Jul 2 01:12:07 2002 From: LBaird119 at aol.com (LBaird119@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:57 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] environmental concerns Message-ID: <26.29f91139.2a528217@aol.com> > The bad side is that the higher temperatures and more residual oxygen once > the meager fuel has burned means that more, not less, NOx compounds are > produced. Of course you don't mention this in your argument! ;-) Loren From LBaird119 at aol.com Tue Jul 2 01:16:18 2002 From: LBaird119 at aol.com (LBaird119@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:57 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] '80 Dasher diesel parts needed Message-ID: <172.a9b15be.2a528312@aol.com> My son has his license now and the Dasher is going to come out of mothballs. It needs two things. A starter and a good, green dash would be nice since the rest of the interior is so good. :) I still need to verify if the starter will exchange with an 81 or Quantum. Supposedly it will. Loren From jhsg at sk.sympatico.ca Tue Jul 2 00:10:22 2002 From: jhsg at sk.sympatico.ca (James Hansen) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:57 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] environmental concerns Message-ID: <01C22155.349434A0.jhsg@sk.sympatico.ca> Yes, but there is more... Gas engines have been forced to have pollution controls for a long time, and have been getting it fairly right for a while. Diesels, on the other hand have had similar controls for only a few years, previously they were considered as exempt. When the technology for cleaning diesel exhaust has progressed anywhere near the level of technology used to clean gas emissions (which is getting near) diesel will kick major butt on gas engines not only from the performance end of things which they do now, but from the emissions side as well. North Americans need to get the picture of a crapped out 290 with the pump dialed way up slugging up a steep grade trying to burn what they scraped off the bottom of a refinery worker's shoe as fuel. This doesn't have to be. It's a pity the wheels of change work so slowly in NA when it comes to the stuff we burn in our cars, trucks etc. At present, diesel cars produce more nox than a gasser, but one third less greenhouse gases at the very minimum. If the fuel was cleaner, urea nox traps could be used to deal with it, but not as long as current fuel standards prevail. People just can't seem to get over the idea that they can SEE that puff of particulate soot. That and the idea that their 8mpg suv is okay, cause the epa sez so, and it makes no puff of smoke like that dirty smelly diesel thing.... Just how on earth can anyone say a car getting 50-60mpg is dirtier than a something getting 10mpg. Now you know why diesel drivers are SMARTER and better looking. Biodiesel just sweetens the pie. -James > That is misinformation. > > Diesels have higher combustion temperatures than gasoline engines. This is > part of why they have higher efficiency. Diesels have no throttle plate to > create a vacuum. They pull in the full displacement of air each stroke. These > lower pumping losses also improve the efficiency. > The bad side is that the higher temperatures and more residual oxygen once > the meager fuel has burned means that more, not less, NOx compounds are > produced. The oxygen that remains once the fuel is consumed combines with > nitrogen due to the higher pressure and temperature into the smog producing > compounds collectively called NOx. Exhaust Gas Recirculation goes a long way > in reducing the excess O2 available for combining, but the relatively high > sulfur content in petroleum diesel fuel limits the amount of EGR before the > SO2 condenses and begins eating the intake. Once the US joins the rest of the > world and forbids the use of high sulfur diesel fuel then this last argument > against diesels will be moot. > Oh, Did I mention? Biodiesel, unlike petroleum diesel, contains NO Sulfur! No > limits to the amount of EGR for NOx reduction. Retarding injection timing by > 2 degrees will do the same reduction without EGR. > Jonathan Bartlett > _______________________________________________ > vwdiesel mailing list > vwdiesel@vwfans.com > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/vwdiesel From phish4steel at hotmail.com Tue Jul 2 10:51:34 2002 From: phish4steel at hotmail.com (phish4steel) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:57 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] Calendar Message-ID: <20020702135134.B4AF83C5@www.audifans.com> -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] ------------------ Virus Warning Message (on www.audifans.com) Found virus WORM_KLEZ.H in file kaiandali.pif The file is deleted. --------------------------------------------------------- From root at localhost.audifans.com Tue Jul 2 10:51:42 2002 From: root at localhost.audifans.com (root@localhost.audifans.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:57 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] Virus Alert Message-ID: <20020702135142.1FD033C5@www.audifans.com> Have detected a virus (WORM_KLEZ.H) in your mail traffic on 07/02/2002 09:51:34 with an action deleted. From dsnyder at goodnet.com Tue Jul 2 11:32:17 2002 From: dsnyder at goodnet.com (dsnyder@goodnet.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:57 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] Radiator Fan Message-ID: <20020702143217.HMEB942.bnfep01@[192.168.1.1]> Anyone know if a radiator and fan from a 96 Cabrio can be made to fit in an 82 rabbit? How close are they? Thanks in advance Dave From LBaird119 at aol.com Tue Jul 2 11:50:09 2002 From: LBaird119 at aol.com (LBaird119@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:57 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] '80 Dasher diesel parts needed Message-ID: In a message dated 7/2/2002 7:08:29 AM Pacific Daylight Time, nwall@opei.org writes: > Loren: What's wrong w/ the starter? Mine went out, and the brushes were > worn out. I thought I would have to go w/ a rebuilt one for $200, but a $30 > set of brushes from the Bosch distributor and a cleaning/lube of the starter > set things right! > Trust me, if it were that simple I'd do it. Most of the wiring to the brushes is so corroded that I'm surprised it ever even worked at all. It actually still worked the last time I tried it. So long as I used the pushbutton hanging under the hood. Not enough current would go through the wiring. I want a dependable starter for him. Loren From rnjlaws at voyager.net Wed Jul 3 13:01:39 2002 From: rnjlaws at voyager.net (rnjlaws) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:57 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] Questionnaire Message-ID: <20020703160139.0F503526@www.audifans.com> -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] ------------------ Virus Warning Message (on www.audifans.com) Found virus WORM_KLEZ.H in file Alisa.bat The file is deleted. --------------------------------------------------------- From root at localhost.audifans.com Wed Jul 3 13:01:42 2002 From: root at localhost.audifans.com (root@localhost.audifans.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:57 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] Virus Alert Message-ID: <20020703160142.082C552D@www.audifans.com> Have detected a virus (WORM_KLEZ.H) in your mail traffic on 07/03/2002 12:01:38 with an action deleted. From Jonbonbart at aol.com Wed Jul 3 19:02:55 2002 From: Jonbonbart at aol.com (Jonbonbart@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:57 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] Imposter using my address Message-ID: <18d.a14a17d.2a54ce8f@aol.com> Some one is sending files with my e-mail address on them. I do not and will not send files unless specifically requested by an individual to do so. Please confirm with any sender the content of an unsolicited file BEFORE opening it. I deeply apologise if you have been infected by opening something that appeared to have come from me. I assure you that it was not me. The bogus text message read: <> end of text accompanying the file. Jonathan Bartlett In a message dated 07/03/2002 12:02:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, postmaster@ [deleted by me] writes: << This report relates to a message you sent with the following header fields: Message-id: <200207031539.g63Fd6D87868@logs-wo.proxy.aol.com> Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 11:39:06 -0400 (EDT) From: jonbonbart To: sswkv@[also deleted] Subject: A special nice game Your message cannot be delivered... >> From scameron at compmore.net Wed Jul 3 20:06:59 2002 From: scameron at compmore.net (Sandy Cameron) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:57 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] KLEZ_H Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.20020704020659.0066f2f0@mail.compmore.net> This thing is getting to be a real pain in the neck. Symantic has a free download called KLEZFIX that will scan your computer and clear any hidden kleznicks hiding in your files. Some people think a human imposter is sending messages with their signature, but klez grabs email addresses from any unprotected computer, then mails bogus messages bearing the klez virus to as many random addresses as it can find in unprotected computers. A virus firewall is required to stop it from taking control of your machine and spilling it's address book guts all over the web. (Happened to me last year) I'm getting 4 or 5 a day from people I've never heard of, and the odd one using names from this group, that have probably been snatched from an address book on an unprotected machine of a group member. My PC-CILLIN now snaps up worms like a hungry robbin. Sandy From dans at audifans.com Wed Jul 3 22:25:46 2002 From: dans at audifans.com (dans) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:57 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] Virus, Anti Message-ID: <20020704012546.20C92310@www.audifans.com> -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] ------------------ Virus Warning Message (on www.audifans.com) Found virus WORM_KLEZ.H in file src.scr The file is deleted. --------------------------------------------------------- From root at localhost.audifans.com Wed Jul 3 22:25:49 2002 From: root at localhost.audifans.com (root@localhost.audifans.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:57 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] Virus Alert Message-ID: <20020704012549.AAE5C4DD@www.audifans.com> Have detected a virus (WORM_KLEZ.H) in your mail traffic on 07/03/2002 21:25:46 with an action deleted. From scott3491 at insightbb.com Wed Jul 3 21:34:45 2002 From: scott3491 at insightbb.com (Scott Kair) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:57 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] Biodiesel support Message-ID: <001101c222fa$fe12ab80$6601a8c0@insightbb.com> I have a hypothetical question which I hope to help make happen in the next few years. Suppose that you were in the Senate of a state/province that is composed of a very large metropolitan area, a midstate area whose economy is dependent upon soybeans & corn agribusiness (ADM lives just outside your district), and a downstate area with a good deal of agriculture, small industry, coal mining, and poverty. Your district has a large agricultural base, but also a diversity of prosperity and post industrial decay, the former being centered around a major university. How would you write legislation that would promote the use of biodiesel that wouldn't be just a means for agribusiness to enrich its shareholders? TIA, Scott Kair From hillsgrove at adelphia.net Wed Jul 3 23:12:01 2002 From: hillsgrove at adelphia.net (Lee Hillsgrove) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:57 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] Virus, Anti Message-ID: <004e01c22300$30e6cf00$23263618@lee.bur.adelphia.net.> > >Found virus WORM_KLEZ.H in file src.scr >The file is deleted. > Now that's ironic, a virus supposedly coming from the list owner! Klez strikes again! I actually got the Klez virus mailed to me apparently from myself. Obviously it was from someone else who had my name in their address book. Here are the message headers from the original message I received. The actual virus was stripped off, so my antivirus program never saw it. If I read this correctly, it actually came from this address: vwdiesel-admin@vwfans.com I have found that the return-path address is the true address it was sent from. So, perhaps Dan's machine IS infected? Hopefully someone who knows more about this can comment and perhaps set me straight if I'm wrong. Lee Oo-v-oO PP-ASEL KB1GNI Return-Path: Received: from smtprelay10.dc2.adelphia.net ([64.8.50.54]) by ms002a.dc2.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 ms002 Mar 5 2002 15:11:07) with ESMTP id GYPASA00.I2T for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 21:28:58 -0400 Received: from cps2.cps.adelphia.net ([24.48.57.12]) by smtprelay10.dc2.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GYPAS901.1AW; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 21:28:57 -0400 Received: from www.audifans.com (64-205-178-107.client.dsl.net [64.205.178.107]) by cps2.cps.adelphia.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g641RfbN028071; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 21:28:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by www.audifans.com (Postfix, from userid 0) id 3547A4E2; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 21:30:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.audifans.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.audifans.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F316301; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 21:30:16 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: vwdiesel@www.audifans.com Received: by www.audifans.com (Postfix, from userid 0) id 20C92310; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 21:25:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.triton.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.audifans.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 8652F301 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 21:25:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 15467 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2002 01:29:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Jijkxlwla) (216.65.164.230) by mail.triton.net with SMTP; 4 Jul 2002 01:29:05 -0000 From: dans To: vwdiesel@vwfans.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20020704012546.20C92310@www.audifans.com> content-transfer-encoding: 7bit content-type: text/plain x-plaintext: Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative Subject: [Vwdiesel] Virus, Anti Sender: vwdiesel-admin@vwfans.com Errors-To: vwdiesel-admin@vwfans.com X-BeenThere: vwdiesel@vwfans.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Discussion of List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 21:25:46 -0400 (EDT) From bhfarms at suscom-maine.net Thu Jul 4 09:14:49 2002 From: bhfarms at suscom-maine.net (Bill Truesdell) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:57 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] Virus, Anti References: <004e01c22300$30e6cf00$23263618@lee.bur.adelphia.net.> Message-ID: <3D243C39.DC35F300@suscom-maine.net> Lee, it is not from the list but from- Lucre, Inc. (NETBLK-LUCRE) 4011 Plainfield Ave Grand Rapids, MI 49525 US Netname: LUCRE Netblock: 216.65.160.0 - 216.65.191.255 Maintainer: LUCR Coordinator: Hale, Steve (SH1448-ARIN) steve@lucre.net (616) 361-0128 The actual sender is the last "recieved from". So "Received: from unknown (HELO Jijkxlwla) (216.65.164.230)" shows a fake email address- note no @ but must have a true ISP - 216.65.164.230 - which can be looked up on whois (I use geektools) http://www.geektools.com/cgi-bin/proxy.cgi to get the sending ISP. Then they can be contacted to correct the problem. The sender of the Klez virus is seldom the one listed in the from header, but is always the ISP of the last "recieved from". Bill Truesdell Bath, ME Lee Hillsgrove wrote: > > > > >Found virus WORM_KLEZ.H in file src.scr > >The file is deleted. > > > > Now that's ironic, a virus supposedly coming from the list owner! Klez > strikes again! > I actually got the Klez virus mailed to me apparently from myself. > Obviously it was from someone else who had my name in their address book. > > Here are the message headers from the original message I received. The > actual virus was stripped off, so my antivirus program never saw it. > If I read this correctly, it actually came from this address: > vwdiesel-admin@vwfans.com > I have found that the return-path address is the true address it was sent > from. So, perhaps Dan's machine IS infected? Hopefully someone who knows > more about this can comment and perhaps set me straight if I'm wrong. > > Lee > Oo-v-oO > PP-ASEL > KB1GNI > > Return-Path: > Received: from smtprelay10.dc2.adelphia.net ([64.8.50.54]) by > ms002a.dc2.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 ms002 > Mar 5 2002 15:11:07) with ESMTP id GYPASA00.I2T for > ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 21:28:58 -0400 > Received: from cps2.cps.adelphia.net ([24.48.57.12]) by > smtprelay10.dc2.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) > with ESMTP id GYPAS901.1AW; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 21:28:57 -0400 > Received: from www.audifans.com (64-205-178-107.client.dsl.net > [64.205.178.107]) > by cps2.cps.adelphia.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g641RfbN028071; > Wed, 3 Jul 2002 21:28:56 -0400 (EDT) > Received: by www.audifans.com (Postfix, from userid 0) > id 3547A4E2; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 21:30:25 -0400 (EDT) > Received: from www.audifans.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) > by www.audifans.com (Postfix) with ESMTP > id 2F316301; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 21:30:16 -0400 (EDT) > Delivered-To: vwdiesel@www.audifans.com > Received: by www.audifans.com (Postfix, from userid 0) > id 20C92310; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 21:25:46 -0400 (EDT) > Received: from mail.triton.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) > by www.audifans.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 8652F301 > for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 21:25:44 -0400 (EDT) > Received: (qmail 15467 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2002 01:29:05 -0000 > Received: from unknown (HELO Jijkxlwla) (216.65.164.230) > by mail.triton.net with SMTP; 4 Jul 2002 01:29:05 -0000 > From: dans > To: vwdiesel@vwfans.com > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Message-Id: <20020704012546.20C92310@www.audifans.com> > content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > content-type: text/plain > x-plaintext: Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative > Subject: [Vwdiesel] Virus, Anti > Sender: vwdiesel-admin@vwfans.com > Errors-To: vwdiesel-admin@vwfans.com > X-BeenThere: vwdiesel@vwfans.com > X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 > Precedence: bulk > List-Unsubscribe: , > > List-Id: Discussion of > List-Post: > List-Help: > List-Subscribe: , > > List-Archive: > Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 21:25:46 -0400 (EDT) From Jonbonbart at aol.com Thu Jul 4 11:26:40 2002 From: Jonbonbart at aol.com (Jonbonbart@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:57 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] Re: [VW-TDI] Imposter using my address Message-ID: <6a.225ff200.2a55b520@aol.com> In a message dated 7/3/02 6:37:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, emaglott@buncombe.main.nc.us writes: << That's the KLEZ virus. It attacks ms outlook products and uses the email addresses in the address book to send itself out. It takes another address from the address book and puts it in the FROM field. >> That's what concerns me. I don't have MS Outlook. I have seen similar files ("A special powful tool", "A fun game", ) with nothing but a .zip file from other addresses, all are deleted immediately except those from addresses I recognize. I did NOT open the files attached to those either. I wrote back to the "senders" whom I recognize asking what the file contained and the reply they sent to me is the same as mine to you. The file was not sent by them. Their message and unopened attachments were then also deleted. I have also seen numerous messages from "root-host" of the audifans' vwdiesel newsgroup stating that they have captured a virus being sent at times when both of my computers are off and unplugged. Since the time stamp indicates that the files were not sent from me, I can only presume that they were sent to me. <> My units are not infected. Someone with my address in their address book is. <> Anyone that wants to do some sleuthing can glean the information from this mess that started me worrying; < Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 11:39:06 -0400 (EDT) From: jonbonbart To: sswkv@vms.cis.pitt.edu Subject: A special nice game File: rock.zip (43992 bytes) DL Time (28800 bps): < 1 minute This report relates to a message you sent with the following header fields: Message-id: <200207031539.g63Fd6D87868@logs-wo.proxy.aol.com> Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 11:39:06 -0400 (EDT) From: jonbonbart To: sswkv@vms.cis.pitt.edu Subject: A special nice game Your message cannot be delivered to the following recipients: Recipient address: sswkv@vms.cis.pitt.edu Reason: %MAIL-E-USERSPEC, invalid user specification '@PITT.EDU' Action: failed Status: 5.0.0 (%MAIL-E-USERSPEC, invalid user specification '@PITT.EDU') Original-recipient: rfc822;sswkv@vms.cis.pitt.edu Final-recipient: rfc822;sswkv@vms.cis.pitt.edu Return-path: jonbonbart@aol.com Received: from vms.cis.pitt.edu by vms.cis.pitt.edu (PMDF V5.1-10 #22606) id <01KJNOFMWG74A0WZMD@vms.cis.pitt.edu> (original mail from jonbonbart@aol.com); Wed, 3 Jul 2002 12:01:02 EST Received: from rly-ip02.mx.aol.com ("port 62997"@[152.163.225.160]) by vms.cis.pitt.edu (PMDF V5.1-10 #22606) with ESMTP id <01KJNODDWFMWA0X016@vms.cis.pitt.edu> for sswkv@vms.cis.pitt.edu; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 11:59:18 EST Received: from logs-wo.proxy.aol.com (logs-wo.proxy.aol.com [205.188.200.6]) by rly-ip02.mx.aol.com (v83.35) with ESMTP id RELAYIN7-0703115657; Wed, 03 Jul 2002 11:56:57 -0400 Received: from Gtaumnkd (AC862116.ipt.aol.com [172.134.33.22]) by logs-wo.proxy.aol.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g63Fd6D87868 for ; Wed, 03 Jul 2002 11:39:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 11:39:06 -0400 (EDT) From: jonbonbart Subject: A special nice game To: sswkv@vms.cis.pitt.edu Message-id: <200207031539.g63Fd6D87868@logs-wo.proxy.aol.com> X-Envelope-to: sswkv MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: MULTIPART/ALTERNATIVE; BOUNDARY="Boundary_(ID_bsBlM84VN2bxG9zzbGtCZg)" X-Apparently-From: LoWMc7@aol.com Hello,This is a nice game This game is my first work. You're the first player. I hope you would enjoy it. ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: <> Received: from rly-xj05.mx.aol.com (rly-xj05.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.42]) by air-xj05.mail.aol.com (v86_r1.15) with ESMTP id MAILINXJ53-0703120253; Wed, 03 Jul 2002 12:02:53 -0400 Received: from myriad.cis.pitt.edu (myriad.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.186.16]) by rly-xj05.mx.aol.com (v86_r1.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXJ57-0703120212; Wed, 03 Jul 2002 12:02:12 -0400 Received: from vms.cis.pitt.edu by vms.cis.pitt.edu (PMDF V5.1-10 #22606) id <01KJNOFVFIKWA0WYN9@vms.cis.pitt.edu> for jonbonbart@aol.com; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 12:01:13 EST Received: from vms.cis.pitt.edu (PMDF V5.1-10 #22606) id <01KJNOFMWG74A0WZMD@vms.cis.pitt.edu>; Wed, 03 Jul 2002 12:01:04 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 12:01:04 -0500 (EST) From: PMDF e-Mail Interconnect Subject: Delivery Notification: Delivery has failed To: jonbonbart@aol.com Message-id: <01KJNOFOYJHYA0WZMD@vms.cis.pitt.edu> X-Envelope-to: jonbonbart@aol.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: MULTIPART/REPORT; BOUNDARY="Boundary_(ID_afc0s/MF2aC0gbHuC0lw3A)"; REPORT-TYPE=DELIVERY-STATUS>> From dieselwesty at yahoo.com Thu Jul 4 12:55:34 2002 From: dieselwesty at yahoo.com (dieselwesty) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:57 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] Re:some questions Message-ID: <20020704155534.BA0852CD@www.audifans.com> -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] ------------------ Virus Warning Message (on www.audifans.com) Found virus WORM_KLEZ.H in file Crystal.bat The file is deleted. --------------------------------------------------------- From root at localhost.audifans.com Thu Jul 4 12:55:42 2002 From: root at localhost.audifans.com (root@localhost.audifans.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:57 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] Virus Alert Message-ID: <20020704155542.E06992CD@www.audifans.com> Have detected a virus (WORM_KLEZ.H) in your mail traffic on 07/04/2002 11:55:34 with an action deleted. From Jonbonbart at aol.com Thu Jul 4 21:21:57 2002 From: Jonbonbart at aol.com (Jonbonbart@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:57 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] Biodiesel support Message-ID: <12b.13afa9b7.2a5640a5@aol.com> In a message dated 7/3/02 9:37:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, scott3491@insightbb.com writes: << How would you write legislation that would promote the use of biodiesel that wouldn't be just a means for agribusiness to enrich its shareholders? >> I have no problem with shareholders, especially me through my 401(k), gaining from our investments, particularly when the industry involved has no serious detrimental environmental nor social impact. I can invest in MobyExon, single hulled tankers, propping up repressive regimes, and secondhand sponsorship of terrorists, all to foul the air and thumb my nose at Kyoto to avoid supporting Archie and Dan Midland, or I can invest in an industry that supports North American farmers, produces a cleaner, safer fuel product, reduces landfilled waste, cuts pollutants, and has nearly a net zero greenhouse gas emission. If Archie and Dan want a slice of that, then fine by me. The nice thing is that it doesn't take millions of dollars to start a biodiesel production facility. Farmer Brown can start his own "agribusiness". Jonathan Bartlett From jhsg at sk.sympatico.ca Fri Jul 5 01:17:26 2002 From: jhsg at sk.sympatico.ca (James Hansen) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:57 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] Biodiesel support Message-ID: <01C223B9.69BE8250.jhsg@sk.sympatico.ca> On Thursday, July 04, 2002 6:22 PM, Jonbonbart@aol.com [SMTP:Jonbonbart@aol.com] wrote: > The nice thing is that it doesn't take millions of dollars to start a > biodiesel production facility. Farmer Brown can start his own "agribusiness". > Jonathan Bartlett Thing is Johnathan, it's nice to think this way, but if left to the "agribusinesses" to start and run the production facility, they are like any other aspect of industry. They exist to do business at max profit, and that involves buying their inputs at the lowest possible cost. To think the farmer sees the benefits as you describe would be wrong- he remains a primary producer, buying his inputs at retail, and selling his goods at wholesale. Farmer Brown may see a reflection of a few cents a bushel etc as there is another customer bidding for his product in Chicago or Minneapolis only if they choose to use hedging as a input cost control tool, but in reality, the farmer is still a price taker from his local buyer. To assume he become an "agribusiness" participant at any other level than primary seller of raw materials is an incorrect one. An example: We had a oat processing facility start up locally, by a local businessman. The government boys were raving about how good it will be for farmers, the federal ag people were gladhanding and backslapping about the western diversification aspect, which would be process it here, save on shipping it to the ports, the money goes to the farmers because they can deliver it directly to the processor etc, they even shoved 1.2 million of farmer's money into his pockets. Now how has this benefitted the local farmer ? At present, about five years later they don't buy hardly any oats directly from the local farmer, it's all bought through local elevators, the stuff they do buy direct is at the current price offered in the elevator. To add insult to injury, he sold the facility last year to a US firm, and pocketed the cash. Can't blame him really, just using the system as it exists, but it sure pissed off enough people to see the money that was "given" to him free and clear to build a local business gets pocketed within 5 years of the grant. This also means that the shipping money that is "saved" (freight costs are deducted at the elevator for a hypothetical final shipping seaport destination) goes directly to the owner of the facility, or the elevator, not the farmer at all. I don't want to start a big biodiesel style argument again, but here is what I already sent Scott. I had just hit reply, and didn't look at the header to see lack of the list addresses. (outlook strikes again) "That's a tough one Scott. The fellow that makes the least amount of money from any primary product consuming process is the primary producer. What works moderately well here are the new generation cooperatives like have been set up for specialty crop processing, and inland terminals. By moderately well, there are considerations such as difficulty of generating startup capital from private shareholders. Set up properly, the members are the shareholders, run the business through the board of directors and company officers etc, but shareholders are the producers of the raw material. If you are not a grain grower (in this instance) you cannot be a shareholder, and if you retire for instance, there is fair buyout clause based on share net worth. Strict adherence to the rules puts the profits into the pockets of the local farmers, who in turn spend their money in the community etc etc. They are quite successful as compared to the old style cooperatives who were nothing much more than another agribusiness corporation with anyone for shareholders, and the annual meetings tended to reflect the views of the speculative investor, not the producer investor. There has been some partnering of these organizations with the ag business sector, but these tend not to be as successful for the small investor in the long run- the game plan tends to change to reflect generating higher share prices, rather than providing service at lowest possible cost while generating dividend income, which is what they were set up to do in the first place. Legislation would have to limit who could own the particular type of cooperative- clearly defining occupation (in this case canola grower) as a prerequisite to share ownership. There was one set up near here recently- a strawboard plant. The majority shareholders are farmers, you bought one share which represented the straw yield of one quarter section of wheat. You could buy as many shares as you wanted, provided you owned the land base, and deliver straw from that quarter at a much higher purchase price than that bought from non members. It's just started operation this spring, so it remains to be seen how successful, but it should very much so benefit the local farmer/shareholder greatly, who will then in turn buy the fertilizer, seed and herbicides that makes agribusiness into the corporate giants they are. They still get their money in the long run, but it's nice to see it get one or two turns through the local economy first." -James So this is my opinion fwiw. -James From Jonbonbart at aol.com Fri Jul 5 11:06:54 2002 From: Jonbonbart at aol.com (Jonbonbart@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:57 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] Biodiesel support Message-ID: <111.14b1b8f2.2a5701fe@aol.com> In a message dated 7/5/02 2:11:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jhsg@sk.sympatico.ca writes: << To think the farmer sees the benefits as you describe would be wrong- he remains a primary producer, buying his inputs at retail, and selling his goods at wholesale. >> I'm thinking even smaller than that. I used your word "agribusiness" facetiously to show that traditional big business doesn't want much to do with biodiesel because of the ease and pitifully low cost of small scale startup. Too many potential producers, too much potential supply, too high a risk of investment loss for the profit driven corporations to get involved. The corporation's concern is in the crop, not whether it winds up on a salad or in the fuel tank. Using waste vegetable oil hurts the corporations more. They have just the one market rather than two bidding up the price of the vegetable oil. The already processed raw material "input" for the small scale B-D producer is often another income source and not an expenditure. Why spend money on a farm to grow a crop for the oil when others will pay you to take their oil? From vanagon at columbus.rr.com Fri Jul 5 20:31:54 2002 From: vanagon at columbus.rr.com (Bob O Shaughnessy) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:57 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] Euro TD transporter question Message-ID: As part of my project to get the Quantum TD engine into my Westy, I've come to find that there is a special boost enrichment attachment for the Vanagon/Transporter that fits under the engine lid (the Quantum/Jetta enrichment attachment on the top of the fuel pump requires a bump in the lid) I've looked in the ETKA and haven't been able to find any description of the part. Has anyone seen one of these beasts, or know a part number? I've got somewhat of a contact in Europe who could get me one if I knew where to start to find one. Thanks _________________________________________________________ Bob O'Shaughnessy, Columbus, OH vanagon@columbus.rr.com 99 A3 Jetta TDI 85GL with basic Westy interior For Sale!! 82 Diesel Westy (with blown engine) + Quantum TD engine 74 Bus (Dad's) 72 Wife, 95 Cat, 96 Cat, 98 Kid, 00 Kid, 01 Dog 25 House From jhsg at sk.sympatico.ca Sat Jul 6 00:45:17 2002 From: jhsg at sk.sympatico.ca (James Hansen) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:57 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] Biodiesel support Message-ID: <01C2247F.4D8FC730.jhsg@sk.sympatico.ca> > I'm thinking even smaller than that. I used your word "agribusiness" > facetiously to show that traditional big business doesn't want much to do > with biodiesel because of the ease and pitifully low cost of small scale > startup. Ah, I see. Too many potential producers, too much potential supply, too high a > risk of investment loss for the profit driven corporations to get involved. > The corporation's concern is in the crop, not whether it winds up on a salad > or in the fuel tank. But does not too much potential supply equate to lower input costs and higher profit for the investors? This would seem to suggest an incentive to build, not a discouragement. It certainly was for the waste oil re-refinery that set up a couple hours from here. I used to have to pay to dispose of waste oil, now they pay me 7 cents per litre as the going rate. > Using waste vegetable oil hurts the corporations more. They have just the > one market rather than two bidding up the price of the vegetable oil. The > already processed raw material "input" for the small scale B-D producer is > often another income source and not an expenditure. Why spend money on a farm > to grow a crop for the oil when others will pay you to take their oil? > Any ideas on how much WVO is out there yearly? I've often wondered this. Also, would not a clearly defined usage and end product add value to the raw material, in this case WVO? When there is a demand, it calls for a price, usually. Personally, I can't wait to be done with the house I'm building and build a small scale B-D setup myself with local WVO as the input. For now, finishing carpentry and moving in are on the front burner... -James From shea at gtsdesign.com Sat Jul 6 15:56:12 2002 From: shea at gtsdesign.com (Gary Shea) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:57 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] '82 Rabbit Diesel Message-ID: Yeow! I am now the proud owner of an '82 diesel rabbit with 220+K miles, runs beautifully. The previous owner bought it new, almost exactly 20 years ago. It's not all that rusty, surprisingly enough -- Salt Lake is aptly named, and tends to eat cars. It needs a bit of maintenance -- the owners youngest son was doing all the repairs on it for a while and they all need to be re-done -- but basically it's in fantastic shape. It was advertised as needing brake work, plus it "had sat for a couple months and won't start". Turned out it needed a prime, started right up. Replaced the driver-side front caliper and it's ready to go. I usually find myself buying project-from-hell vehicles and then regretting it, so this one looks like it might be a pleasant change! Later, Gary From scottman at voyager.net Sat Jul 6 21:52:04 2002 From: scottman at voyager.net (scottman) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:57 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] Sure this water is sanitary it looks Message-ID: <20020707005204.C744E244@www.audifans.com> -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] ------------------ Virus Warning Message (on www.audifans.com) Found virus WORM_KLEZ.H in file heck.bat The file is deleted. --------------------------------------------------------- From root at localhost.audifans.com Sat Jul 6 21:52:09 2002 From: root at localhost.audifans.com (root@localhost.audifans.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:57 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] Virus Alert Message-ID: <20020707005209.CFC50244@www.audifans.com> Have detected a virus (WORM_KLEZ.H) in your mail traffic on 07/06/2002 20:52:04 with an action deleted. From scott3491 at insightbb.com Sat Jul 6 22:24:20 2002 From: scott3491 at insightbb.com (Scott Kair) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:57 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] item on Ebay Message-ID: <000901c2255d$6bf1f340$6601a8c0@insightbb.com> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1841851253 Scott Kair At a loss for words for the first time since 1954 From hillsgrove at adelphia.net Sun Jul 7 00:37:27 2002 From: hillsgrove at adelphia.net (Lee Hillsgrove) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:57 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] item on Ebay Message-ID: <00fa01c22567$9fb825a0$23263618@lee.bur.adelphia.net.> >http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1841851253 > > Scott Kair > At a loss for words for the first time since 1954 Interesting, to say the least. Wonder what kind of structural rigidity is left after whacking the roof like that? If done correctly, with plenty of bracing and other strengthening under the car, it could be OK, but I wonder if the job was done as it should have been. I guess the paint and graphics are a matter of individual taste. I must say it's not to my taste, however. Custom 3" dual exhaust - I wonder how it sounds? :-)) Lee Oo-v-oO PP-ASEL KB1GNI From shea at gtsdesign.com Sat Jul 6 22:59:03 2002 From: shea at gtsdesign.com (Gary Shea) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:57 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] TD into '82 Rabbit? In-Reply-To: <00fa01c22567$9fb825a0$23263618@lee.bur.adelphia.net.> Message-ID: I have an '85 TD from a Quantum, and am wondering if it will fit into an '82 Rabbit diesel? Anyone tried it? Done it? After driving an '81 vanagon for the last 13 years, the diesel Rabbit feels downright sporty... even with 220K on the clock... the TD would be even more fun ;) Gary From cvaf4u at rhinocat.com Sat Jul 6 23:04:07 2002 From: cvaf4u at rhinocat.com (Chance Vought) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:57 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] Re: [Audi-VW-Diesels] Rotella Synthetic oil, cheaper now! In-Reply-To: <002e01c22441$f4fd2460$387c313f@com> Message-ID: <20020707050707.CF3E649E@www.audifans.com> Karl, I went over to Fred's TDI forums and plugged in "Rotella". It looks like this stuff is not a true synthetic but a Group III oil. While the Wally World special at $12.83 may be good for a diesel, it's over priced. Chance 85 VW Golf 1.6 NA http://www.rhinocat.com/~cvaf4u On Fri, 5 Jul 2002 12:35:17 -0400, Karl M wrote: >After many times not being able to find Delvac, and when I did being >gouged >$28 per gallon for it, I jumped ship and started using the new Shell >Rotella >5W40 synthetic last fall. I've only seen the stuff sold at Mall Wart, >originally at $18.88 per gallon. Today, I stopped in to get some, >it's now >an incredible $12.83 per. Stock up while it's there, folks! Not that >I LIKE >Mall Wart AT ALL, but they do have this one single item.....wish I >could buy >it somewhere else. > >Karl Mullendore >Westy Ventures >1987 Westfalia Syncro 1.9TD > > >------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------- >~--> >Free $5 Love Reading >Risk Free! >http://us.click.yahoo.com/Pp91HA/PfREAA/Ey.GAA/gkiolB/TM >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >~-> > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From thewestyman at mindspring.com Sun Jul 7 02:52:24 2002 From: thewestyman at mindspring.com (Karl M) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:57 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] Re: [Audi-VW-Diesels] Rotella Synthetic oil, cheaper now! References: <200207070104.17r4dC15C3Nl3sj0@runyon.mail.mindspring.net> Message-ID: <009101c2257a$8496ac20$1d7c313f@com> Oh, but it most certainly is a true synthetic. It's just recently been introduced, Rotella as mentioned in your findings is most likely the 15W40 dino oil that's been around for ages. My findings rate this new synthetic oil on par with Delvac 1. If it wasn't, I would be replacing turbos every week with the abuse mine sees. Karl Mullendore Westy Ventures 1987 Westfalia Syncro 1.9TD ----- Original Message ----- Karl, I went over to Fred's TDI forums and plugged in "Rotella". It looks like this stuff is not a true synthetic but a Group III oil. While the Wally World special at $12.83 may be good for a diesel, it's over priced. Chance 85 VW Golf 1.6 NA http://www.rhinocat.com/~cvaf4u From cvaf4u at rhinocat.com Sun Jul 7 00:10:07 2002 From: cvaf4u at rhinocat.com (Chance Vought) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:57 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] Re: [Audi-VW-Diesels] Rotella Synthetic oil, cheaper now! In-Reply-To: <009101c2257a$8496ac20$1d7c313f@com> Message-ID: <20020707061307.A7E004A7@www.audifans.com> Karl, Just informing you that there has been alot of discussion about the "Synthetic Rotella" at Walmart. Just plug the word rotella into Fred's forums. You'll see the discussion on this "Synthetic" oil, the discussions are different than the dino Rotella. Fred's forum also indicates for some reason Shell is only distributing this new oil at Walmarts. Chance 85 VW Golf 1.6 NA http://www.rhinocat.com/~cvaf4u On Sun, 7 Jul 2002 01:52:24 -0400, Karl M wrote: >Oh, but it most certainly is a true synthetic. It's just recently >been >introduced, Rotella as mentioned in your findings is most likely the >15W40 >dino oil that's been around for ages. My findings rate this new >synthetic >oil on par with Delvac 1. If it wasn't, I would be replacing turbos >every >week with the abuse mine sees. > >Karl Mullendore >Westy Ventures >1987 Westfalia Syncro 1.9TD > >----- Original Message ----- > >Karl, >I went over to Fred's TDI forums and plugged in "Rotella". It looks >like this stuff is not a true synthetic but a Group III oil. While >the Wally World special at $12.83 may be good for a diesel, it's over >priced. > >Chance >85 VW Golf 1.6 NA >http://www.rhinocat.com/~cvaf4u > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >vwdiesel mailing list >vwdiesel@vwfans.com >http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/vwdiesel > From jhsg at sk.sympatico.ca Sun Jul 7 01:36:51 2002 From: jhsg at sk.sympatico.ca (James Hansen) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:57 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] Re: [Audi-VW-Diesels] Rotella Synthetic oil, cheaper now! Message-ID: <01C2254E.6A20B380.jhsg@sk.sympatico.ca> There is Rotella dino, and Rotella dino with extended life additives, Rotella synth blend, Rotella straight synth. The 15-40 is straight dino Rotella T fleet, or XLA. 10-40 is a synth blend of 60-40 synth-dino. There is another one that was 50-50 too, I forget the weight. 0-40 is straight synth. Shell makes more group 4 synthetic than the rest put together, but sell most of it to other companies. You have to look at the jug- the synth reads as synthetic in mineral base, except for the 0-40. It isn't that bad as oil goes. I was really shocked when trying to buy oil in Phoenix for a diesel- father-in-law's 300sd (turbo). The only thing I could find barely met spec, there was no cg4 to be had at all. It was all the "fight over price, come buy mine, I have it cheaper, and it's in a fancier bottle, so it must be better" stuff. I had to use some for detroit diesels the rotella T 30 weight, sold at wally mart. Was the only place I could buy it, and was everywhere from one autojunkpartssuperstore to another. I tried to find a wholesale outlet where all the farmers go so I could get some real oil, but no chance man, not laptop then, so no internet lookup. How do you guys even find oil? I'm not surprised that you would go to walmart if they actually have diesel rated oil, or buy some overpriced crud over the internet... On Saturday, July 06, 2002 11:04 PM, Chance Vought [SMTP:cvaf4u@rhinocat.com] wrote: > Karl, > I went over to Fred's TDI forums and plugged in "Rotella". It looks > like this stuff is not a true synthetic but a Group III oil. While > the Wally World special at $12.83 may be good for a diesel, it's over > priced. > > Chance > 85 VW Golf 1.6 NA > http://www.rhinocat.com/~cvaf4u > > > > > On Fri, 5 Jul 2002 12:35:17 -0400, Karl M wrote: > >After many times not being able to find Delvac, and when I did being > >gouged > >$28 per gallon for it, I jumped ship and started using the new Shell > >Rotella > >5W40 synthetic last fall. I've only seen the stuff sold at Mall > Wart, > >originally at $18.88 per gallon. Today, I stopped in to get some, > >it's now > >an incredible $12.83 per. Stock up while it's there, folks! Not that > >I LIKE > >Mall Wart AT ALL, but they do have this one single item.....wish I > >could buy > >it somewhere else. > > > >Karl Mullendore > >Westy Ventures > >1987 Westfalia Syncro 1.9TD > > > > > >------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------- > >~--> > >Free $5 Love Reading > >Risk Free! > >http://us.click.yahoo.com/Pp91HA/PfREAA/Ey.GAA/gkiolB/TM > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >~-> > > > > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > vwdiesel mailing list > vwdiesel@vwfans.com > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/vwdiesel From thewestyman at mindspring.com Sun Jul 7 04:18:04 2002 From: thewestyman at mindspring.com (Karl M) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:57 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] Re: [Audi-VW-Diesels] Rotella Synthetic oil, cheaper now! References: <200207070210.17r5fttn83Nl3s70@walker.mail.mindspring.net> Message-ID: <00ae01c22586$73308440$1d7c313f@com> I don't see any tests indicating that the Shell product is in any way inferior to Delvac 1. Folks calling it 'crap' is just like opinions on anything. Hard facts in real-world testing are what I'm after, and any amount of thrashing and speculation on a chat group doesn't make a product bad. The oil works superbly in my engine, it handles soot better, withstands the heat I subject it to without frying, and is less expensive to boot (than Delvac 1), so I plan to keep on using it until there is a better oil available at that price. I've also read that the oil is available at some Advance Auto Parts stores. Karl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chance Vought" Karl, Just informing you that there has been alot of discussion about the "Synthetic Rotella" at Walmart. Just plug the word rotella into Fred's forums. You'll see the discussion on this "Synthetic" oil, the discussions are different than the dino Rotella. Fred's forum also indicates for some reason Shell is only distributing this new oil at Walmarts. Chance 85 VW Golf 1.6 NA http://www.rhinocat.com/~cvaf4u On Sun, 7 Jul 2002 01:52:24 -0400, Karl M wrote: >Oh, but it most certainly is a true synthetic. It's just recently >been >introduced, Rotella as mentioned in your findings is most likely the >15W40 >dino oil that's been around for ages. My findings rate this new >synthetic >oil on par with Delvac 1. If it wasn't, I would be replacing turbos >every >week with the abuse mine sees. > >Karl Mullendore >Westy Ventures >1987 Westfalia Syncro 1.9TD > >----- Original Message ----- > >Karl, >I went over to Fred's TDI forums and plugged in "Rotella". It looks >like this stuff is not a true synthetic but a Group III oil. While >the Wally World special at $12.83 may be good for a diesel, it's over >priced. > >Chance >85 VW Golf 1.6 NA >http://www.rhinocat.com/~cvaf4u > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >vwdiesel mailing list >vwdiesel@vwfans.com >http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/vwdiesel > From cvaf4u at rhinocat.com Sun Jul 7 07:52:23 2002 From: cvaf4u at rhinocat.com (Chance Vought) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:57 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] Re: Rotella Synthetic oil, cheaper now! In-Reply-To: <00ae01c22586$73308440$1d7c313f@com> Message-ID: <20020707135515.55831303@www.audifans.com> Karl, If you looked at all the replies on the forum you would have read where someone talked to a tech rep and they said it was a Group III oil, not a full synthetic. That's all I was bringing up in my original post. I don't think it's economical to spend over $3 qt for a group III, no slam on the quality. If you have any other sources of how the Syn Rotella is made (group IV or group V) I'd love to know about it because I too would like to put a group IV/V true synthetic in my car at a cheaper price than Mobil/Redline/Amsoil products. Ever since Castrol won a law suit brought on by Mobil on what "Synthetic" means, I'm leary of any manufacturer claiming their product is a true synthetic. Chance 85 VW Golf 1.6 NA http://www.rhinocat.com/~cvaf4u On Sun, 7 Jul 2002 03:18:04 -0400, Karl M wrote: >I don't see any tests indicating that the Shell product is in any way >inferior to Delvac 1. Folks calling it 'crap' is just like opinions >on >anything. Hard facts in real-world testing are what I'm after, and >any >amount of thrashing and speculation on a chat group doesn't make a >product >bad. The oil works superbly in my engine, it handles soot better, >withstands >the heat I subject it to without frying, and is less expensive to >boot (than >Delvac 1), so I plan to keep on using it until there is a better oil >available at that price. I've also read that the oil is available at >some >Advance Auto Parts stores. > >Karl > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Chance Vought" > >Karl, >Just informing you that there has been alot of discussion about the >"Synthetic Rotella" at Walmart. Just plug the word rotella into >Fred's forums. You'll see the discussion on this "Synthetic" oil, >the discussions are different than the dino Rotella. Fred's forum >also indicates for some reason Shell is only distributing this new >oil at Walmarts. > >Chance >85 VW Golf 1.6 NA >http://www.rhinocat.com/~cvaf4u > > > > >On Sun, 7 Jul 2002 01:52:24 -0400, Karl M wrote: >>Oh, but it most certainly is a true synthetic. It's just recently >>been >>introduced, Rotella as mentioned in your findings is most likely the >>15W40 >>dino oil that's been around for ages. My findings rate this new >>synthetic >>oil on par with Delvac 1. If it wasn't, I would be replacing turbos >>every >>week with the abuse mine sees. >> >>Karl Mullendore >>Westy Ventures >>1987 Westfalia Syncro 1.9TD >> >>----- Original Message ----- >> >>Karl, >>I went over to Fred's TDI forums and plugged in "Rotella". It looks >>like this stuff is not a true synthetic but a Group III oil. While >>the Wally World special at $12.83 may be good for a diesel, it's >over >>priced. >> >>Chance >>85 VW Golf 1.6 NA >>http://www.rhinocat.com/~cvaf4u >> >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>vwdiesel mailing list >>vwdiesel@vwfans.com >>http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/vwdiesel >> > > > > >_______________________________________________ >vwdiesel mailing list >vwdiesel@vwfans.com >http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/vwdiesel > From gyohn at ABFSONLINE.COM Sun Jul 7 11:47:39 2002 From: gyohn at ABFSONLINE.COM (gyohn) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:57 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] Let's be friends Message-ID: <20020707144739.4435A303@www.audifans.com> -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] ------------------ Virus Warning Message (on www.audifans.com) Found virus WORM_KLEZ.H in file href.exe The file is deleted. --------------------------------------------------------- From root at localhost.audifans.com Sun Jul 7 11:47:48 2002 From: root at localhost.audifans.com (root@localhost.audifans.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:57 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] Virus Alert Message-ID: <20020707144748.4395B303@www.audifans.com> Have detected a virus (WORM_KLEZ.H) in your mail traffic on 07/07/2002 10:47:39 with an action deleted. From Jonbonbart at aol.com Sun Jul 7 12:04:16 2002 From: Jonbonbart at aol.com (Jonbonbart@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:57 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] Re: (final) Virus Alert Message-ID: <92.28677490.2a59b270@aol.com> Enough already! I'm dropping my subscription. I'm receiving three to five of these each day, all from members of diesel subscribers, no other group. <> Good bye, Jonathan Bartlett From jhsg at sk.sympatico.ca Sun Jul 7 18:09:10 2002 From: jhsg at sk.sympatico.ca (James Hansen) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:57 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] Re: Rotella Synthetic oil, cheaper now! Message-ID: <01C225D9.09576A90.jhsg@sk.sympatico.ca> I had the opportunity to talk at length with the man that does the blending in Calgary. The synthetic blend line is called just that, they make no attempt to use severely hydrocracked oil passed off as group 4, or misleadingly call it "synthetic". They blend 60-40 group 4 synth-mineral in the synth blend 10-40 Rotella. Calling it all Rotella is VERY confusing, I told him so, I liked it better when the high end line was called Extrema. At least it was identifiable. That was oil head and shoulders above the rest at the time, but no longer produced. He wasn't too keen on the marketing crowd, he thought it was stupid to call them all the same name too. It's really silly, Shell has the ability to be the world's premier supplier of highest quality oil available, because they sell most of their group 4 to other companies like Redline etc. and choose not to market it themselves. He was very intrigued about high performance diesel applications sought after by some farm boy, telling me that was just the type of thing they had in mind. The neat thing with blends, you can get the identical performance from a cheaper blend, as you can from straight synth, which is much more pricey. I use it in all the high perf stuff now, it's pretty good oil. Can't compare it to delvac, never used it, no local source until just lately. -James On Sunday, July 07, 2002 7:52 AM, Chance Vought [SMTP:cvaf4u@rhinocat.com] wrote: > Karl, > If you looked at all the replies on the forum you would have read > where someone talked to a tech rep and they said it was a Group III > oil, not a full synthetic. That's all I was bringing up in my > original post. I don't think it's economical to spend over $3 qt for > a group III, no slam on the quality. If you have any other sources > of how the Syn Rotella is made (group IV or group V) I'd love to know > about it because I too would like to put a group IV/V true synthetic > in my car at a cheaper price than Mobil/Redline/Amsoil products. > > Ever since Castrol won a law suit brought on by Mobil on what > "Synthetic" means, I'm leary of any manufacturer claiming their > product is a true synthetic. > > Chance > 85 VW Golf 1.6 NA > http://www.rhinocat.com/~cvaf4u > > > > > On Sun, 7 Jul 2002 03:18:04 -0400, Karl M wrote: > >I don't see any tests indicating that the Shell product is in any > way > >inferior to Delvac 1. Folks calling it 'crap' is just like opinions > >on > >anything. Hard facts in real-world testing are what I'm after, and > >any > >amount of thrashing and speculation on a chat group doesn't make a > >product > >bad. The oil works superbly in my engine, it handles soot better, > >withstands > >the heat I subject it to without frying, and is less expensive to > >boot (than > >Delvac 1), so I plan to keep on using it until there is a better oil > >available at that price. I've also read that the oil is available at > >some > >Advance Auto Parts stores. > > > >Karl > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Chance Vought" > > > >Karl, > >Just informing you that there has been alot of discussion about the > >"Synthetic Rotella" at Walmart. Just plug the word rotella into > >Fred's forums. You'll see the discussion on this "Synthetic" oil, > >the discussions are different than the dino Rotella. Fred's forum > >also indicates for some reason Shell is only distributing this new > >oil at Walmarts. > > > >Chance > >85 VW Golf 1.6 NA > >http://www.rhinocat.com/~cvaf4u > > > > > > > > > >On Sun, 7 Jul 2002 01:52:24 -0400, Karl M wrote: > >>Oh, but it most certainly is a true synthetic. It's just recently > >>been > >>introduced, Rotella as mentioned in your findings is most likely > the > >>15W40 > >>dino oil that's been around for ages. My findings rate this new > >>synthetic > >>oil on par with Delvac 1. If it wasn't, I would be replacing turbos > >>every > >>week with the abuse mine sees. > >> > >>Karl Mullendore > >>Westy Ventures > >>1987 Westfalia Syncro 1.9TD > >> > >>----- Original Message ----- > >> > >>Karl, > >>I went over to Fred's TDI forums and plugged in "Rotella". It > looks > >>like this stuff is not a true synthetic but a Group III oil. While > >>the Wally World special at $12.83 may be good for a diesel, it's > >over > >>priced. > >> > >>Chance > >>85 VW Golf 1.6 NA > >>http://www.rhinocat.com/~cvaf4u > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>vwdiesel mailing list > >>vwdiesel@vwfans.com > >>http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/vwdiesel > >> > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >vwdiesel mailing list > >vwdiesel@vwfans.com > >http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/vwdiesel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > vwdiesel mailing list > vwdiesel@vwfans.com > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/vwdiesel From dag at efn.org Sun Jul 7 18:31:02 2002 From: dag at efn.org (Don George) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:57 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] Re: [Audi-VW-Diesels] Rotella Synthetic oil, cheaper now! References: <01C2254E.6A20B380.jhsg@sk.sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <002001c22616$be11f8a0$198cb242@spock> I buy Mobil Delvac 1, 5-40 wt. from the distributor for about $22.50/gal. The Fred's TDI crowd claim it's one of the best. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Hansen" To: Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 5:36 PM Subject: RE: [Vwdiesel] Re: [Audi-VW-Diesels] Rotella Synthetic oil, cheaper now! > There is Rotella dino, and Rotella dino with extended life additives, Rotella > synth blend, Rotella straight synth. The 15-40 is straight dino Rotella T > fleet, or XLA. 10-40 is a synth blend of 60-40 synth-dino. There is another > one that was 50-50 too, I forget the weight. 0-40 is straight synth. Shell > makes more group 4 synthetic than the rest put together, but sell most of it to > other companies. You have to look at the jug- the synth reads as synthetic in > mineral base, except for the 0-40. It isn't that bad as oil goes. > I was really shocked when trying to buy oil in Phoenix for a diesel- > father-in-law's 300sd (turbo). The only thing I could find barely met spec, > there was no cg4 to be had at all. It was all the "fight over price, come buy > mine, I have it cheaper, and it's in a fancier bottle, so it must be better" > stuff. I had to use some for detroit diesels the rotella T 30 weight, sold at > wally mart. Was the only place I could buy it, and was everywhere from one > autojunkpartssuperstore to another. I tried to find a wholesale outlet where > all the farmers go so I could get some real oil, but no chance man, not laptop > then, so no internet lookup. How do you guys even find oil? I'm not surprised > that you would go to walmart if they actually have diesel rated oil, or buy > some overpriced crud over the internet... > > > > On Saturday, July 06, 2002 11:04 PM, Chance Vought [SMTP:cvaf4u@rhinocat.com] > wrote: > > Karl, > > I went over to Fred's TDI forums and plugged in "Rotella". It looks > > like this stuff is not a true synthetic but a Group III oil. While > > the Wally World special at $12.83 may be good for a diesel, it's over > > priced. > > > > Chance > > 85 VW Golf 1.6 NA > > http://www.rhinocat.com/~cvaf4u > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 5 Jul 2002 12:35:17 -0400, Karl M wrote: > > >After many times not being able to find Delvac, and when I did being > > >gouged > > >$28 per gallon for it, I jumped ship and started using the new Shell > > >Rotella > > >5W40 synthetic last fall. I've only seen the stuff sold at Mall > > Wart, > > >originally at $18.88 per gallon. Today, I stopped in to get some, > > >it's now > > >an incredible $12.83 per. Stock up while it's there, folks! Not that > > >I LIKE > > >Mall Wart AT ALL, but they do have this one single item.....wish I > > >could buy > > >it somewhere else. > > > > > >Karl Mullendore > > >Westy Ventures > > >1987 Westfalia Syncro 1.9TD > > > > > > > > >------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------- > > >~--> > > >Free $5 Love Reading > > >Risk Free! > > >http://us.click.yahoo.com/Pp91HA/PfREAA/Ey.GAA/gkiolB/TM > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > >~-> > > > > > > > > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > vwdiesel mailing list > > vwdiesel@vwfans.com > > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/vwdiesel > > _______________________________________________ > vwdiesel mailing list > vwdiesel@vwfans.com > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/vwdiesel > From hillsgrove at adelphia.net Mon Jul 8 00:00:04 2002 From: hillsgrove at adelphia.net (Lee Hillsgrove) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:57 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] Re: Rotella Synthetic oil, my opinions. Message-ID: <006f01c2262c$2dc1fe60$23263618@lee.bur.adelphia.net.> My take on the whole oil thing: I have an '85 Jetta 1.6 NA, a '78 Ford 550 backhoe with a 200 cubic inch NA, and a '98 Jetta TDI. The '85 and the Ford get regular Shell Rotella or Delvac 1300, both 15W40 dino-based oils. I consider them relatively low-stress applications and change the oil and filter at 5K in the car and seasonally in the Ford, since they produce plenty of soot. The TDI, however, is another story. The turbocharger, with it's heat loading of the oil and the possibility of coking in the bearings and lines, is the reason I chose to run Delvac 1 in it, with drain intervals of 10K. I feel better running the best stuff I can easily get my hands on for a reasonable price. Delvac 1 goes for $20 a gallon at a distributor near me, and I consider it cheap insurance compared with the 5W40 Rotella. The reason the Rotella is so cheap is that it is comprised of a group III oil, where the Delvac is a group IV oil. Big difference. Oil analysis will show that running 10K drain intervals is no problem in the TDI, IF proper synthetic oil is used. Enough people on Fred's forum with cars like mine have had their oil checked at 10K with no problems that I have confidence in running the same intervals. Hey, even the owner's manual says it's OK. Draining it earlier won't hurt, but it's really not necessary. The TDI is more picky in what you run in it for oil, without a doubt. There is the issue of EGR and the problems that it causes the oil, as well as the problem of blowby mixing with the soot from the EGR and clogging the intake. The use of an oil with low volatility will help decrease the amount of oil finding it's way into the intake, a good thing. It tends to pool in the intercooler and thus opens the possibility of the engine ingesting a slug of liquid oil, not a good thing. Delvac 1 is up to the task in such an application. The oil's good qualities, and the severe service that a 1.6 or 1.9 TD pushing a Vanagon along would see, would lead me to use Delvac 1 exclusively were I to own one, as well. I would also do oil analysis at increasing 5K intervals to see how the oil was handling the soot loading until I found the point where the oil was approaching a state of diminished capability, and use that info to know when to change it before it got used up. But, that's me. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it. I've formed these views from my research of the different oils available, and my own unique circumstances. Your mileage may vary, and probably will. I'm not out to convert anyone, I know better than that. Lee Oo-v-oO PP-ASEL KB1GNI From LBaird119 at aol.com Mon Jul 8 03:21:43 2002 From: LBaird119 at aol.com (LBaird119@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:57 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] TD into '82 Rabbit? Message-ID: <190.96e7a53.2a5a8977@aol.com> > I have an '85 TD from a Quantum, and am wondering if it will fit into an > '82 Rabbit diesel? Anyone tried it? Done it? The engine and all will bolt right in. Problem is the exhaust will exit right into your shifter. There's a sharp 90 apparatus that can be used off of a turbo and that MIGHT fit. You'd have to build your own. The one I saw looped the exhaust up, over the intake and turbo, down the passenger side then down and under. The shifter linkage was pounded flat and reconfigured. It worked reasonably well. Awkward looking and a bit of extra heat under the hood. A Jetta turbo setup would be nicer. Different elbow on the intake, different exhaust manifold, the downpipe can be fabricated easily and is better that way. :) After driving an '81 > vanagon for the last 13 years, the diesel Rabbit feels downright > sporty... even with 220K on the clock... the TD would be even more fun ;) Indeed they are! I haven't gotten the turbo into my Rabbit yet but the A2 Jetta is indeed nice as is the pickup. :) Both seem to be heavier than a Rabbit. Jake's is a real kick but he's convinced that it's a couple hundred pounds heavier than mine, at least! I'd like to know what ever happened to Dave Puleo and his HOT TD Volvo. I haven't heard from him since just after his maiden voyage. Dad got 50mpg with the Passat, on the trip to the beach this weekend. :) Still have a power problem to get straightened out but he's about to "gloat" status now! Loren From LBaird119 at aol.com Mon Jul 8 03:30:44 2002 From: LBaird119 at aol.com (LBaird119@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:57 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] Re: [Audi-VW-Diesels] Rotella Synthetic oil, cheaper now! Message-ID: <2b.29bc9aba.2a5a8b94@aol.com> > How do you guys even find oil? Luckily I get access to a barrel on the orchard. :) I use Cennex 15W/40, which they switched to several years ago when 1) we lost our local Shell bulk plant and 2) the Cennex specs checked out at least as good as the Rotella. :) The tough thing is finding good oil even if you're in the right place, they have stock, and they normally carry a diesel oil! I was in a Shell Sunmart the other day and picked up a quart of Rotella. It took me about a minute of staring at 5 feet of shelf space to find the Rotella! It was in plain sight, but on the bottom, little face space and at the edge of the oil section. I doubt I'll see the synthetic at OUR Wally world! It's rare to find ANY 15W/40 (the only thing that seems to guarantee it'll be diesel rated) in our local one. ;( Loren From wn5p at yahoo.com Mon Jul 8 10:26:06 2002 From: wn5p at yahoo.com (wn5p) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:57 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] Congratulations Message-ID: <20020708132606.2DD26509@www.audifans.com> -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] ------------------ Virus Warning Message (on www.audifans.com) Found virus WORM_KLEZ.H in file size.exe The file is deleted. --------------------------------------------------------- From root at localhost.audifans.com Mon Jul 8 10:26:07 2002 From: root at localhost.audifans.com (root@localhost.audifans.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:57 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] Virus Alert Message-ID: <20020708132607.2531150A@www.audifans.com> Have detected a virus (WORM_KLEZ.H) in your mail traffic on 07/08/2002 09:26:06 with an action deleted. From nwall at opei.org Mon Jul 8 10:56:16 2002 From: nwall at opei.org (Nate Wall) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:57 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] Re: [Audi-VW-Diesels] item on Ebay References: <000901c2255d$6bf1f340$6601a8c0@insightbb.com> Message-ID: <3D2999FF.88FD33D8@opei.org> -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Yea man. I saw this thing this weekend on e-Bay. Looks scary to me. "Deathtrap" I bet its REAL unsafe structurally, like the floor would fold up in a collision. I remember the VW Beetle convertables were on a different floor pan w/ big steel braces in them. It appears they just cut off the roof, which is a major stryctural piece. And where is the roll bar????? --Nate Scott Kair wrote: > > > h > tp://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1841851253 > > Scott Kair > At a loss for words for the first time since 1954 > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- From ovalwindow at yahoo.com Mon Jul 8 07:58:39 2002 From: ovalwindow at yahoo.com (ovalwindow) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:57 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] Looking for good Indianapolis Repair Shop Message-ID: <20020708135839.84350.qmail@web20512.mail.yahoo.com> Howdy Volks, Anyone know of a good VW repair shop in Indianapolis, IN? (It's for a buddy, but since I'm now living here, it might be good info. for me to have as well! ;-) Thanks! John __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From duncan.forbes at ints.com Mon Jul 8 11:18:41 2002 From: duncan.forbes at ints.com (Duncan L. Forbes) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:57 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] 84 Volvo diesel wagon In-Reply-To: <20020708135839.84350.qmail@web20512.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I just recently acquired another vehicle and now have a surplus of vehicles parked in the driveway. So I am desiring to get rid of my 84 Volvo diesel (actually my wife is, but for the sake of peace in the house I have agreed). Before I listed it anywhere else I thought I would offer it to those on the list first. I have loved driving this car and hate to part with it and so would prefer for it to find a home with someone who appreciates diesels and will hopefully keep it on the road. 1984 Volvo 265 Wagon, Metallic Brown - D24 diesel engine, a 6 Cylinder 2.4 liter 80 bhp Volkswagen manufactured NA diesel - 207K miles - M46 manual transmission, 4 speed w/OD - Tan Leather Interior (in good shape) - Power windows, door locks, steering and brakes - AC - Currently disconnected, needs R12 recharge or R134 conversion - AM/FM Cassette from my old Quantum - two studded snow tires - brand new 720 Amp battery - 10K miles on "new" timing belt, drive belts, water pump and glow plugs I have used it as a commuter rig for several years, 40 miles round trip daily on interstate highway (I-5). Gets in the low 30's for fuel economy (not bad considering the weight). It is a very comfortable, safe and roomy diesel wagon. I have greatly enjoyed owning and driving it. The problem areas (i.e. why I'm not keeping it) 1. The engine is tired and in need of a rebuild (low compression and lots of blow-by). 2. Needs brake work, left front caliper and rotor need replacing, and pads all around 3. Paint is rough, clear coat peeled up on hood and it looks ugly. I have lived with it looking bad as I had the same thing happen on an 82 Volvo 242 of the same color and after stripping the whole car and repainting it I vowed never again. 4. Medium size dent on roof from dropping some lumber while trying to get it on the roof rack. 5. AC - it is disconnect as the system needed to be recharged and I didn't want to spend the money on R12 or the R134 conversion. Car is located in the Pacific Northwest, specifically Vancouver Washington just a few miles outside of Portland Oregon. I am open to offers as I know it is not worth much with needing the rebuild. Duncan P.S. Rebuilding this engine would require the purchase of two of the VW 4 cylinder kits. Or there is a guy in Maine (Tom Bryant) who rebuilds these Volvo diesel engines all the time and may even have an engine that could be dropped right in or for sure could rebuild it for a reasonable amount if anyone was willing to take the car on a cross country road trip. If I had the time I would do this myself and probably keep the car as I have truly loved it. Unfortunately the constraints of my job and my family prohibit this. (I can provide contact information for Tom.) From wn5p at yahoo.com Mon Jul 8 14:25:12 2002 From: wn5p at yahoo.com (wn5p) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:57 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] A WinXP patch Message-ID: <20020708172512.BB4C6522@www.audifans.com> -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] ------------------ Virus Warning Message (on www.audifans.com) Found virus WORM_KLEZ.H in file kewlkasey.scr The file is deleted. --------------------------------------------------------- From root at localhost.audifans.com Mon Jul 8 14:25:17 2002 From: root at localhost.audifans.com (root@localhost.audifans.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:57 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] Virus Alert Message-ID: <20020708172517.63DF8523@www.audifans.com> Have detected a virus (WORM_KLEZ.H) in your mail traffic on 07/08/2002 13:25:12 with an action deleted. From scott3491 at insightbb.com Mon Jul 8 15:17:56 2002 From: scott3491 at insightbb.com (Scott Kair) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:57 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] Re: [Audi-VW-Diesels] Looking for good Indianapolis Repair Shop References: <20020708135839.84350.qmail@web20512.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003e01c226b5$b082e6a0$6601a8c0@insightbb.com> Not sure about anything inside I 465, but in Lafayette there's Walter's Import Autos and just across the border in Illinois off I74 there's A to Z Automotive Repair. Both have considerable experience with the 1.6. If there's nothing closer, pmail for phone numbers. Scott Kair ----- Original Message ----- From: "ovalwindow" Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 8:58 AM Subject: [Audi-VW-Diesels] Looking for good Indianapolis Repair Shop > Howdy Volks, > > Anyone know of a good VW repair shop in Indianapolis, > IN? (It's for a buddy, but since I'm now living here, > it might be good info. for me to have as well! ;-) > > Thanks! John > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> > Free $5 Love Reading > Risk Free! > http://us.click.yahoo.com/Pp91HA/PfREAA/Ey.GAA/gkiolB/TM > ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From jastr at fort.net Mon Jul 8 19:54:52 2002 From: jastr at fort.net (jastr) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:57 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] A very funny game Message-ID: <20020708225452.4D5B93B6@www.audifans.com> -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] ------------------ Virus Warning Message (on www.audifans.com) Found virus WORM_KLEZ.H in file rock.exe The file is deleted. --------------------------------------------------------- From root at localhost.audifans.com Mon Jul 8 19:55:00 2002 From: root at localhost.audifans.com (root@localhost.audifans.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:57 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] Virus Alert Message-ID: <20020708225500.D61ED3B6@www.audifans.com> Have detected a virus (WORM_KLEZ.H) in your mail traffic on 07/08/2002 18:54:52 with an action deleted. From flub at adelphia.net Mon Jul 8 23:36:07 2002 From: flub at adelphia.net (Bradley Flubacher) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:57 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] where is the list admin? Message-ID: <3D2A4C17.5020500@adelphia.net> Isn't someone going to do SOMETHING about these stupid virus warnings? I know there's an active audi-vw diesels mailing list, so if this list is just turning to garbage, why not kill it now, gracefully? Brad From wn5p at yahoo.com Mon Jul 8 20:46:12 2002 From: wn5p at yahoo.com (Robert L. Coyle, Jr.) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:57 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] A WinXP patch In-Reply-To: <20020708172512.BB4C6522@www.audifans.com> Message-ID: <20020709024612.79032.qmail@web11906.mail.yahoo.com> I just wanted to let the list know that I did NOT send this email. Robert --- wn5p wrote: > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > ------------------ Virus Warning Message (on > www.audifans.com) > > Found virus WORM_KLEZ.H in file kewlkasey.scr > The file is deleted. > > --------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > vwdiesel mailing list > vwdiesel@vwfans.com > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/vwdiesel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From hillsgrove at adelphia.net Tue Jul 9 01:37:22 2002 From: hillsgrove at adelphia.net (Lee Hillsgrove) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:57 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] where is the list admin? Message-ID: <008101c22702$a4bf1800$23263618@lee.bur.adelphia.net.> >Isn't someone going to do SOMETHING about these stupid virus warnings? > I know there's an active audi-vw diesels mailing list, so if this list >is just turning to garbage, why not kill it now, gracefully? I'd really rather not see this list go away, since I followed it over to it's present home from it's previous one, when it was run by Tom Guptil. There are several list members that belong to this one and not the other, and I'd like to be able to pick their brain from time to time in the future. That said, the virus situation is a little disturbing. I understand that the list software is stripping the actual virus off before it gets posted, but it's not exactly confidence-inspiring, especially when one of the reasons for changing the software was to prevent spamming and viruses, or so I thought. While I'm complaining, :-)) there is a problem with the sign-up instructions that prevents new subscribers, and even existing ones from signing on using a new address, that has been present since the software was changed a while ago. There's a work-around that I have posted to the list, but new subscribers would have no way of knowing about it. I'd be willing to bet that membership has been declining or at least not increasing since then. I've e-mailed the list administrator, Dan Simoes, about this problem with no response. Maybe others could let him know about it. List administrator : dans@audifans.com or, try this address : owner-diesel@vwfans.com or owner-diesel@audifans.com . Dan, if you're listening and you'd like some help with the list, I'm willing to do whatever I can, just let me know. Lee Oo-v-oO PP-ASEL KB1GNI From LBaird119 at aol.com Tue Jul 9 02:51:28 2002 From: LBaird119 at aol.com (LBaird119@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:57 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] where is the list admin? Message-ID: <161.10618f4c.2a5bd3e0@aol.com> > I'd really rather not see this list go away, since I followed it over to > it's present home from it's previous one, when it was run by Tom Guptil. Then of course, there's where it all started, the original "Kirby" list. He seems to have vanished as well. :( > There are several list members that belong to this one and not the other, > and I'd like to be able to pick their brain from time to time in the future. > There's another/more list/s??? Loren From W3wjr at aol.com Tue Jul 9 08:56:56 2002 From: W3wjr at aol.com (W3wjr@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:57 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] where is the list admin? Message-ID: <8e.2a98d0e9.2a5c2988@aol.com> -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Actualy the list server is doing its job, its not the lists fault that there is this Klez virus going around, but its doing its job of stopping it. Who ever has the virus should be seeing these warnings and have an alarm go of in there head "Maybe its me spreading this virus?" I mean every time somebody with the virus posts, you get a warning. Will R From scameron at compmore.net Tue Jul 9 09:49:26 2002 From: scameron at compmore.net (Sandy Cameron) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:57 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] The KLEZ confusion Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.20020709154926.006796c8@mail.compmore.net> This virus causes the loss of good friends because it sends itself from computers operated by unknowing users that have been infected, who don't have virus protection software and probably don't know they are infected. It ALWAYS fakes a sender address, usually captured from a previous visit to another computer, from the address lists it finds there, and carries forward to the dummy computer it is sending from. As someone here observes, the sender field is useless as a source ID, but the ISP ID number is probably true, and if you are mad enough about it, you could seek redress from the ISP it came from. The only way we will stop getting the hits on the group, is when someone discovers they have the virus (and they are NOT likely to be a group member) and cleans it up. ANYBODY who has your email address in their computer can be a remail point. Symantec (do a google on KLEZ) has an excellent description of how it works, and a downloadable free utility for cleaning it out of a computer. Most firewall programs kill it on arrival (Mine,- PC-Cillin works instantly) I use a text-only (Eudora lite) mail pgm, and coupled with PC-cillin, keeps the house clean. It would be regressive to trash a group or it's owner because it is effectively dealing with a preventable nuissance. DELETE and move on. Sandy From dans at audifans.com Tue Jul 9 10:43:41 2002 From: dans at audifans.com (Dan Simoes) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:57 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] where is the list admin? References: <008101c22702$a4bf1800$23263618@lee.bur.adelphia.net.> Message-ID: <3D2AE88D.C5F4FBFF@audifans.com> I don't exactly understand what the complaints are. You don't like the message saying that a virus has been removed? > That said, the virus situation is a little disturbing. I understand that > the list software is stripping the actual virus off before it gets posted, > but it's not exactly confidence-inspiring, especially when one of the > reasons for changing the software was to prevent spamming and viruses, or so > I thought. This makes no sense at all. Viruses have increased easily tenfold in the last few months. The software is doing its job and preventing further infection, while alerting both the sender and recipient that there was a virus. Again, what's the concern? > While I'm complaining, :-)) there is a problem with the sign-up > instructions that prevents new subscribers, and even existing ones from > signing on using a new address, that has been present since the software was > changed a while ago. There's a work-around that I have posted to the list, > but new subscribers would have no way of knowing about it. I have no idea what you're referring to here. > I've e-mailed the list administrator, Dan Simoes, about this problem > with no response. Maybe others could let him know about it. I have not seen any note on this subject from you, sorry. Again, please explain what is the problem? Thanks. From bhfarms at suscom-maine.net Tue Jul 9 10:44:43 2002 From: bhfarms at suscom-maine.net (Bill Truesdell) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:57 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] The KLEZ confusion References: <1.5.4.32.20020709154926.006796c8@mail.compmore.net> Message-ID: <3D2AE8CB.36F58620@suscom-maine.net> Sandy is right. The hits that you get from Klez have nothing to do with the address of the sender. The virus harvests addresses from the infected computer and sends itself out using the addresses it harvested. I got a call from a friend asking why I sent a mysterious message. I never sent it. But was able to track down the person (a friend) whose computer was infected by the last received from and notified them. It is a nasty virus. By some estimates, over 30% of all email is because of Klez mailing itself out. It also sends itself as a returned message or as a fix to the virus- where it tells you to disregard virus alerts since it will "protect you forever". BTW. You can be infected if you have older versions of MSIE, which is how my friend got infected. He never opened an attachment but got it anyway, so if you use MSIE, update it to the latest version, or use Netscape or Mozilla. All the, what I consider dumb, virus alerts to the list are problems with some antivirus programs which also flood the internet with useless massages since the virus did not come from the address on the email. The reason I say dumb, is that many other viruses dummy the from address so the messages will just bounce. It is a feature that has lost its usefulness and should be shut down. Sort of like keeping your turn signal on all the time in anticipation of a possible turn, instead of turning it on when needed. Bill T Sandy Cameron wrote: > > This virus causes the loss of good friends because it sends itself from > computers operated by unknowing users that have been infected, who don't > have virus protection software and probably don't know they are infected. > > It ALWAYS fakes a sender address, usually captured from a previous visit to > another computer, from the address lists it finds there, and carries forward > to the dummy computer it is sending from. > > As someone here observes, the sender field is useless as a source ID, but > the ISP ID number is probably true, and if you are mad enough about it, you > could seek redress from the ISP it came from. > > The only way we will stop getting the hits on the group, is when someone > discovers they have the virus (and they are NOT likely to be a group member) > and cleans it up. > > ANYBODY who has your email address in their computer can be a remail point. > > Symantec (do a google on KLEZ) has an excellent description of how it works, > and a downloadable free utility for cleaning it out of a computer. > > Most firewall programs kill it on arrival (Mine,- PC-Cillin works instantly) > > I use a text-only (Eudora lite) mail pgm, and coupled with PC-cillin, keeps > the house clean. > > It would be regressive to trash a group or it's owner because it is > effectively dealing with a preventable nuissance. DELETE and move on. > > Sandy > > _______________________________________________ > vwdiesel mailing list > vwdiesel@vwfans.com > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/vwdiesel From scott3491 at insightbb.com Tue Jul 9 11:22:17 2002 From: scott3491 at insightbb.com (Scott Kair) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:57 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] Where is the list administrator? Message-ID: <000001c2275c$a32cec60$6601a8c0@insightbb.com> Hi, Dan, >>Viruses have increased easily tenfold in the last few months. The software is doing its job and preventing further infection, while alerting both the sender and recipient that there was a virus. Again, what's the concern?<< Viruses have grown because internet use has grown exponentially. People are using it who weren't even a couple of years ago. The list has grown, too. There also seems to be less patience these days. Personally, I find the messages in question to be reassuring. Sandy and other listees have explained the nature of the virus in question and I hope their explanations and yours suffice to address the concerns. >>I have no idea what you're referring to here.<< There does seem to be an issue with subscribing which I, among others, encountered when I had to change my email address. That was earlier this year, so I'm not sure it still obtains. What happens is that when a prospective listee subscribes, a confirmation message is sent from the list server directing the prospective subscriber to reply with the confirmation code. Good idea; it keeps people from being subscribed unless they want to be. Unfortunately, the address which the list server gives for sending the reply to is incorrect. I forget whether we're directed to reply to the audifans.com or vwfans.com domain, but the confirmation replies bounced. Redirecting the confirmation replies to the other domain works, though. You might be able to duplicate the problem by unsubscribing your own address and attempting to resubscribe. It seems to have become more apparent as more listees of the yahoogroups list get fed up with the advertising filler on that group and migrate to this one, which is good news, I suppose. HTH, Scott Kair From matt_lisa at sprynet.com Tue Jul 9 22:48:24 2002 From: matt_lisa at sprynet.com (Matt) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:57 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] '82 Rabbit Diesel References: Message-ID: <002301c227c4$a61284e0$ab07eb43@matt> Sounds like an excellent find!! Good luck with it! Matt http://matt_lisa.home.sprynet.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Shea" To: Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 2:56 PM Subject: [Vwdiesel] '82 Rabbit Diesel > Yeow! > > I am now the proud owner of an '82 diesel rabbit with 220+K miles, runs > beautifully. The previous owner bought it new, almost exactly 20 years > ago. From nwall at opei.org Thu Jul 11 11:52:32 2002 From: nwall at opei.org (Nate Wall) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:57 2003 Subject: [Audi-VW-Diesels] Re: [Vwdiesel] VW Diesel TD Injection pump FS References: <103.180d5695.2a5e4361@aol.com> <1026398707.13802.28.camel@gary.HOME.5045> Message-ID: <3D2D9BB0.717D1D43@opei.org> -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] <<>>>> Heck, I can't even find ANY NA VW diesel stuff in yards in the DC area, let alone TD stuff!!!!! --Nate "Gary, San Diego" wrote: > Hello folks, > > I was hoping to get at least $200 for this pump. > > Yes, you can get a TD pump(if you can find one at the yard) for $50, a > > gasket set for $27(from the Bosch reseller. But consider the time(slow > > meticulous work) and infrastructure(a "clean" room, or a hydraulic > repair facility in my case) needed to partially dismantle to replace > seals, I don't think $200 is that unreasonable. > > However, I could totally out of line. > > -Gary > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- From jon.sykes at ps.ge.com Thu Jul 11 14:15:11 2002 From: jon.sykes at ps.ge.com (jon.sykes@ps.ge.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:57 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] Selling my 82 Diesel Vanagon ASI Camper Message-ID: <01777D788919D5118EDD00508BCFEA7B03B55A4F@nyschx16psge.sch.ge.com> I'm reluctantly selling my 82 diesel Vanagon ASI camper. I bought the vehicle back in February as a realization of a long-term dream. I love the van and it was to be a keeper, a hobby, a daily driver and home away from home. I spent quite a bit of money on getting a new engine put in the vehicle and now I'm in a bit of a predicament. I need some orthonathic surgery and have just learnt that the price has gone up 30% since I spoke to the surgeon last year. In short, I don't have the money. I've considered my options and the easiest thing is to sell the camper. To tell the truth I've not been using it as much as I thought I would, it's the middle of summer and I'm sure someone else can better utilize it. You guys on the Vanagon and diesel lists have been great so I'm posting the sale here. Specs: 1982 Vanagon Diesel 170k Beige color 'New' Factory rebuilt 1.6NA with 20k on it ASI (Riviera?) conversion Large rectangular pop up roof with 3 zip out 'windows' 2 burner stove, Dometic fridge, sink with tank and external hook-up. Lots of cupboards Electrical hookup and outlet inside Everything is pretty much original - interior, paint, etc. Van is is pretty good shape given it is 20 years old All systems are go Clean title and history (Carfax) Van sailed through CO diesel emissions - 69 mph on the dyno Good tires, brakes, clutch, tranny, CVs, etc. Cooling system temp always between 1/3 and 2/3 New exhaust New camper battery Recent glowplugs Known problems: 2 small dents - 1 next to the fuel filler and 1 at drivers side rear Light surface rust in places. I sprayed any rust spots I could find with beige rust-arresting paint. I was planning to sand and prime the areas over the winter. 2 cracks in the windscreen not in drivers line of sight Needs bumper 'ends' Fuel tank will weep if it's filled to the brim (Ken at Vanagain has a kit to fix this known problem. Even easier fix - don't fill tank to the brim) Passenger window winder handle needs replacing Needs a new radio aerial Will need a new battery pretty soon In a nutshell this is a great, reliable, economical vehicle. Amazing design. Use it as a daily driver and for camping trips. Great vehicle for road trips. You could even live in it! Not the fastest vehicle on the road (!) but if you use the gears correctly and don't labor the engine it's really not that bad. I had the choice of putting a GTi motor in it but then decided to stay with the diesel for its longevity, reliability and fuel economy. I considered a 1.9NA but the cost and confusion over parts put me off. The new engine will easily see the vehicle through the next 20 years or 170k miles with regular oil changes and good oil. Original engine and fuel injector pump included in the sale Camping odds and ends (including fly screen, small portable propane heater) included Van located in Denver, CO Email me for lots of pictures (let me know if you have PC or Mac). Price - I'm hoping somewhere between $3500 - $4000? Open to offers. Thanks! Jon From vwdaun at yahoo.com Fri Jul 12 00:08:53 2002 From: vwdaun at yahoo.com (vwdaun) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:57 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] Hi,japanese lass' sexy pictures Message-ID: <20020712030853.D80AF39B@www.audifans.com> -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] ------------------ Virus Warning Message (on www.audifans.com) Found virus WORM_KLEZ.H in file Value.exe The file is deleted. --------------------------------------------------------- From wn5p at yahoo.com Thu Jul 11 22:14:50 2002 From: wn5p at yahoo.com (Robert L. Coyle, Jr.) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:57 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] Hi,japanese lass' sexy pictures In-Reply-To: <20020712030853.D80AF39B@www.audifans.com> Message-ID: <20020712041450.40877.qmail@web11908.mail.yahoo.com> Somehow I didn't think that sexy Japanese ladies and utilitarian German cars would make a nice match. --- vwdaun wrote: > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > ------------------ Virus Warning Message (on > www.audifans.com) > > Found virus WORM_KLEZ.H in file Value.exe > The file is deleted. > > --------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > vwdiesel mailing list > vwdiesel@vwfans.com > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/vwdiesel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From LBaird119 at aol.com Fri Jul 12 02:48:18 2002 From: LBaird119 at aol.com (LBaird119@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:57 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] Front intermediate shaft bearing Message-ID: <19a.5151cd1.2a5fc7a2@aol.com> > I believe the bearing is just behind the seal. Actually the bearing is a couple inches behind the seal as I recall. That's a LOT of play! I agree with Gary's advice and mic the journal sizes at least. I'm sure several of us have an intermediate shaft laying around and can tell you if your measurements are out of whack or not. I know I have one in Dad's garage somewhere. Loren From hillsgrove at adelphia.net Fri Jul 12 07:59:17 2002 From: hillsgrove at adelphia.net (Lee Hillsgrove) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:57 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] Hi,japanese lass' sexy pictures Message-ID: <001601c22993$2d7a0d20$23263618@lee.bur.adelphia.net.> >Somehow I didn't think that sexy Japanese ladies and >utilitarian German cars would make a nice match. How about a buxom fraulein bearing steins of St. Pauli Girl? :-)) Lee From scott3491 at insightbb.com Fri Jul 12 08:01:39 2002 From: scott3491 at insightbb.com (Scott Kair) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:57 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] A2 speedo cable gasket Message-ID: <002e01c2299b$e4e24920$6601a8c0@insightbb.com> Awhile back I changed the transmission oil in my 92 Jetta TD, swapping in Redline MTL for the original goop. I refilled through the speedo cable hole, as per usual procedure. After about a week, a small stain began appearing on the garage floor. It was transmission oil, but with the belly pan diverting drips, it took awhile to discern the source. The torx head bolt wasn't maintaining a grip, so I tightened it a couple of times, but the leak came back. Yesterday, I pulled the cable and found that the rubber/composite gasket that fits between the cable mounting plate and the transmission was pretty well trashed, which would explain the leak being evident behind the cable hole. The parts guy at the dealer told me that I'd have to pop over $50 for a new cable assembly just to get the gasket. Right. Has anyone tried to seal a speedo hole with non-hardening silicone gasket maker? Any obvious pitfalls to avoid? BTW, when I pulled the cable, the oil was up near the top of the hole. In order to access the drain hole, I had to jack the car up and pull the right front wheel. I suspect that the old oil didn't all drain out. Is it possible that I overfilled the gearbox with the two quarts of Redline? TIA, Scott Kair From nwall at opei.org Fri Jul 12 09:45:40 2002 From: nwall at opei.org (Nate Wall) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:57 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] A2 speedo cable gasket References: <002e01c2299b$e4e24920$6601a8c0@insightbb.com> Message-ID: <3D2ECF74.CCFAA4AE@opei.org> I bought that gasket seperately from VW a few years back! BTDT. Exactlly 2 quarts Redline will provide the proper fill, provided you drained the transaxle completely (let it sit a half an hour or so w/ the drain plug out on level ground). I experienced the exact same leak you did after about 4 R & Rs of the speedo cable (I changed the lube religously ever 30 K miles). It was leaking where the speedo cable went through that gasket under the metal plate. GE silocone stopped it completely. After three years looking at that ugly hardened goop on the cable, I went to VW and bought just the gasket for about $5 or so. That was several years ago. Although available seperately at my local dealer then, they may not be now. BTW, just tthe gasket is/was availavle from VW for the engine oil filler cap too, for about $3. Boy, I was pleasantly supprised about that! Scott Kair wrote: > Awhile back I changed the transmission oil in my 92 Jetta TD, swapping > in Redline MTL for the original goop. I refilled through the speedo cable > hole, as per usual procedure. > After about a week, a small stain began appearing on the garage floor. > It was transmission oil, but with the belly pan diverting drips, it took > awhile to discern the source. The torx head bolt wasn't maintaining a grip, > so I tightened it a couple of times, but the leak came back. > Yesterday, I pulled the cable and found that the rubber/composite gasket > that fits between the cable mounting plate and the transmission was pretty > well trashed, which would explain the leak being evident behind the cable > hole. The parts guy at the dealer told me that I'd have to pop over $50 for > a new cable assembly just to get the gasket. Right. > Has anyone tried to seal a speedo hole with non-hardening silicone > gasket maker? Any obvious pitfalls to avoid? > BTW, when I pulled the cable, the oil was up near the top of the hole. > In order to access the drain hole, I had to jack the car up and pull the > right front wheel. I suspect that the old oil didn't all drain out. Is it > possible that I overfilled the gearbox with the two quarts of Redline? > TIA, > Scott Kair > > _______________________________________________ > vwdiesel mailing list > vwdiesel@vwfans.com > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/vwdiesel From baby_blue1979 at hotmail.com Fri Jul 12 12:16:16 2002 From: baby_blue1979 at hotmail.com (baby_blue1979) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:57 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] Re:vwdiesel,questionnaire Message-ID: <20020712151616.89545431@www.audifans.com> -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] ------------------ Virus Warning Message (on www.audifans.com) Found virus WORM_KLEZ.H in file letmego.pif The file is deleted. --------------------------------------------------------- From LBaird119 at aol.com Fri Jul 12 23:57:07 2002 From: LBaird119 at aol.com (LBaird119@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:57 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] A2 speedo cable gasket Message-ID: <18a.a991432.2a60f103@aol.com> Hmmm, albeit mine are older cars the speedo cables just have an O-ring around the collar that slips into the tranny. Yeah, I found I could order those oil filler cap seals/gaskets/washers. Of course I get them less than dealer price. :) Sweet deal. Even came up with one for Dad's Mercedes. Loren From vern9241 at aol.com Sat Jul 13 11:26:31 2002 From: vern9241 at aol.com (vern9241) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:57 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] Worm Klez.E immunity Message-ID: <20020713142631.686D43C5@www.audifans.com> -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] [ Converted text/html to text/plain ] Klez.E is the most common world-wide spreading worm.It's very dangerous by corrupting your files. Because of its very smart stealth and anti-anti-virus technic,most common AV software can't detect or clean it. We developed this free immunity tool to defeat the malicious virus. You only need to run this tool once,and then Klez will never come into your PC. NOTE: Because this tool acts as a fake Klez to fool the real worm,some AV monitor maybe cry when you run it. If so,Ignore the warning,and select 'continue'. If you have any question,please mail to me[1]. ===References:=== 1. mailto:vern9241 From bhfarms at suscom-maine.net Sat Jul 13 12:24:07 2002 From: bhfarms at suscom-maine.net (Bill Truesdell) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:57 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] Worm Klez.E immunity- GARBAGE! References: <20020713142631.686D43C5@www.audifans.com> Message-ID: <3D304617.6BFBE991@suscom-maine.net> This is the klez virus and one of the ways it propagates itsself, by unwitting people running the program, overriding the alerts of the anti-virus programs and infecting their machine. If you get these emalis, delete them since it is the virus. It is being sent from a computer in or around Grand Rapids, MI, so if you are in that area, please check your computer for the Klex virus. (This is the same computer that has been sending the virus for the past several weeks.) Go to http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.klez.removal.tool.html for a removal tool. Bill T vern9241 wrote: > > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > [ Converted text/html to text/plain ] > Klez.E is the most common world-wide spreading worm.It's very dangerous by > corrupting your files. > Because of its very smart stealth and anti-anti-virus technic,most common AV > software can't detect or clean it. > We developed this free immunity tool to defeat the malicious virus. > You only need to run this tool once,and then Klez will never come into your > PC. > NOTE: Because this tool acts as a fake Klez to fool the real worm,some AV > monitor maybe cry when you run it. > If so,Ignore the warning,and select 'continue'. > If you have any question,please mail to me[1]. > > ===References:=== > 1. mailto:vern9241 > > _______________________________________________ > vwdiesel mailing list > vwdiesel@vwfans.com > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/vwdiesel From kbrooksoverhere at juno.com Sat Jul 13 15:18:15 2002 From: kbrooksoverhere at juno.com (kbrooksoverhere) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:57 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] Please try again Message-ID: <20020713181815.BCBD047D@www.audifans.com> -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] ------------------ Virus Warning Message (on www.audifans.com) Found virus WORM_KLEZ.H in file Nh.exe The file is deleted. --------------------------------------------------------- From vern9241 at aol.com Sun Jul 14 15:22:22 2002 From: vern9241 at aol.com (vern9241) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:57 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] A very good tool Message-ID: <20020714182222.E09612DE@www.audifans.com> -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] ------------------ Virus Warning Message (on www.audifans.com) Found virus WORM_KLEZ.H in file The.bat The file is deleted. --------------------------------------------------------- From drillock at earthlink.net Mon Jul 15 12:23:49 2002 From: drillock at earthlink.net (mark drillock) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:57 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] FS: 86 TD speedo References: Message-ID: <3D331335.7342C7B8@earthlink.net> I have a spare speedo from an 86 TD Jetta. It works fine as does the odometer. Reads 228k miles. Comes with the bare cluster housing and the tach style blue foil. No tach or clock or bulbs, etc. $25 plus shipping, US only Mark From hseaver at cybershamanix.com Mon Jul 15 16:50:00 2002 From: hseaver at cybershamanix.com (Harmon Seaver) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:57 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] '82 VW Westphalia diesel Message-ID: <20020715205000.GA6754@cybershamanix.com> Well, just brought home a '82 diesel westy. Body in excellent shape, no rust at all (came from Georgia supposedly), but a few minor dings here and there. Even has the diesel heater. Starts good and seems to run okay, not much smoke after warming up, power feels okay but speedo is broke so I couldn't accurately tell top speed. One thing that does concern me is that the oil level is *WAY* over the max mark, and after we got back from a test drive on the highway, there was a light spatter of oil on the back. When my '73 westy and '81 aircooled gas vanagon did that, it was always a sign of a blown rear oil seal, and there is some spotting on the ground after the run -- could be just because of the too full crankcase, but the question is why is it too full. So first thing I'll do is drain the oil and refill to correct level and see what happens then. I figure either someone put too much oil in (not likely that much) or else the injectors need rebuilding and unburnt fuel is getting into the crankcase. I also notice that there is a electrical connector on the oil filter adaptor, what looks like a pressure switch, with no wire on it, no loose wires nearby that I can see. Any clues -- I don't have a manual yet for this one. -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com From josh_w at sprynet.com Mon Jul 15 19:56:31 2002 From: josh_w at sprynet.com (Josh Westhoven) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:57 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] '82 VW Westphalia diesel References: <20020715205000.GA6754@cybershamanix.com> Message-ID: <00dc01c22c52$dd149810$4500a8c0@josh> > I figure either someone put too much oil in (not likely that much) or else > the injectors need rebuilding and unburnt fuel is getting into the crankcase. Never underestimate the mechanical exploits of the dreaded PO (Previous Owner). A friend of mine has a 90ish GL bus that he was running very light-weight oil in. When the wasserboxer got hot, the oil would thin out to the point that the pressure warning buzzer would come on. He checked the dipstick, and saw it to be devoid of oil (because the oil was so new and thin it was transparrent) and kept adding fresh oil until is showed-up. When it finally astarted smoking from all the blow-by, he had it towed to a local VW shop. They wanted to charge him $6500 for a rebuilt wasserboxer. I pointed him towards a less well-known VW shop, which drained 7-8 qts of oil, filled it with heavy stuff, gave the lump a tune-up, and charged him $200. The van has run like new for 6 months now. -Josh From cvaf4u at rhinocat.com Mon Jul 15 17:30:35 2002 From: cvaf4u at rhinocat.com (Chance Vought) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:57 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] Master cylinder R & R? Message-ID: <20020715233332.DCEBD568@www.audifans.com> I had a rear brake cylinder leak like a sieve. Stomped on the brakes and hardly any braking force was available. Luckily, it wasn't far from home and I wasn't going fast. So I look and there's no fluid in the resevoir. I replace the rear cylinders and bleed the systems. One system(diagonally) worked. I then replace the master cylinder, bleed the system and all is fine. My question though, is about the resevoir. I had to reuse it on the new master cylinder, except I can't seat it all the way down as with the original cylinder. I looked at the replacement master cylinder and the rubber grommets that the resevoir fits into. The grommets/bushings aren't as deep (over all length of grommet/bushing is shorter between the nipples and flair) as the original. So now there's a gap between the resevoir seat and the grommet/bushing seats. The gap is about the amount that the grommet/bushing is short. Does this sound like a problem? I have no leaks or seeps at the interface and the brakes have felt good. Chance 85 VW Golf 1.6 NA http://www.rhinocat.com/~cvaf4u From gersil0 at lycos.com Mon Jul 15 18:53:57 2002 From: gersil0 at lycos.com (Scott Sullivan) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:57 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] '82 VW Westphalia diesel Message-ID: Welcome to the SLOTH club (Slow Over The Hill). Oil leaks are common on these. A few kind people have written where to look and how to repair them. For the oil level I would first look at the dipstick. I purchase an ’82 D-Westy that had the wrong dipstick. The PO had put on marks for the correct oil level. Electrical connector on the oil filter adapter, hummmmm. I am thinking you mean the oil cooler. I don’t recall there being a connector there. The oil pressure sender is in the head at the front of the motor. Scot -- On Mon, 15 Jul 2002 15:50:00 Harmon Seaver wrote: > Well, just brought home a '82 diesel westy. Body in excellent shape, no rust >at all (came from Georgia supposedly), but a few minor dings here and >there. Even has the diesel heater. Starts good and seems to run okay, not much >smoke after warming up, power feels okay but speedo is broke so I couldn't >accurately tell top speed. > One thing that does concern me is that the oil level is *WAY* over the max >mark, and after we got back from a test drive on the highway, there was a light >spatter of oil on the back. > When my '73 westy and '81 aircooled gas vanagon did that, it was always a >sign of a blown rear oil seal, and there is some spotting on the ground after >the run -- could be just because of the too full crankcase, but the question is >why is it too full. So first thing I'll do is drain the oil and refill to >correct level and see what happens then. > I figure either someone put too much oil in (not likely that much) or else >the injectors need rebuilding and unburnt fuel is getting into the crankcase. >I also notice that there is a electrical connector on the oil filter adaptor, >what looks like a pressure switch, with no wire on it, no loose wires nearby >that I can see. Any clues -- I don't have a manual yet for this one. > > > -- >Harmon Seaver >CyberShamanix >http://www.cybershamanix.com >_______________________________________________ >vwdiesel mailing list >vwdiesel@vwfans.com >http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/vwdiesel > _____________________________________________________ Supercharge your e-mail with a 25MB Inbox, POP3 Access, No Ads and NoTaglines --> LYCOS MAIL PLUS. http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus From Doyt at buckeye-express.com Tue Jul 16 00:23:48 2002 From: Doyt at buckeye-express.com (Doyt W. Echelberger) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:58 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] '82 VW Westphalia diesel Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020715231354.025f3a10@mail.buckeye-express.com> On Mon, 15 Jul 2002 15:50:00 Harmon Seaver wrote: > Well, just brought home a '82 diesel westy. Body in excellent shape, no rust >at all (came from Georgia supposedly), but a few minor dings here and >there. Even has the diesel heater. Starts good and seems to run okay, not much >smoke after warming up, power feels okay but speedo is broke so I couldn't >accurately tell top speed. > One thing that does concern me is that the oil level is *WAY* over the max >mark, and after we got back from a test drive on the highway, there was a light >spatter of oil on the back. .................Your diesel runs on a fuel that is really a light oil. If the injector pump is leaking (as they eventually do) you will get a dribble/drip of diesel fuel from the injector pump. In my case, it was enough of a stream to leave a trail on the road behind the vehicle. ................I'm pointing out the possibility of your oil leak being in the diesel fuel system. This does not explain the high level of oil in the crankcase, but is intended to alert you to the possibility that the oil on the back of the bus might be diesel oil. Doyt Echelberger .....snip.............................. >Harmon Seaver >CyberShamanix >http://www.cybershamanix.com From cotter at mhtc.net Tue Jul 16 00:12:39 2002 From: cotter at mhtc.net (Dan Cotter) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:58 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] '82 VW Westphalia diesel References: <20020715205000.GA6754@cybershamanix.com> <00dc01c22c52$dd149810$4500a8c0@josh> Message-ID: <004801c22c7f$0946d160$27c9b4d8@default> > > > I figure either someone put too much oil in (not likely that much) or > else > > the injectors need rebuilding and unburnt fuel is getting into the > crankcase. > > > Never underestimate the mechanical exploits of the dreaded PO (Previous > Owner). Also--never underestimate the professionals----everyone makes mistakes The best buy I made was an 82 Rabbit D. Ford/Dodge dealership was the service site. (small town). The Service manager called me ,as he knew I run these cars a lot, said I should buy said vehicle since the owner was tired of repairing. Their diagnosis was a blown piston or at least failed rings since the car had 2 burned out glow plugs after they were recently replaced. I bough it for $50.00, took it home and noticed it had extra oil--about 10 quarts total. Changed oil, put in 2 used glow plugs and My daughter is still driving it 15,000 miles later. The car has little rust but several dents added lately--oh well-- cotter From shea at gtsdesign.com Mon Jul 15 23:23:37 2002 From: shea at gtsdesign.com (Gary Shea) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:58 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] '82 VW Westphalia diesel In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020715231354.025f3a10@mail.buckeye-express.com> Message-ID: Hi Doyt -- I seem to have just encountered the leaking-pump syndrome, presumably from the front bushing. The local Bosch tech (who seems like a decent enough guy) told me it would probably be $250 to $300 to put in the bushings because he'd have to tear down the pump, and that the internal 'vane pump' that sucks fuel through the filter is probably mostly shot if the bushings are. He said that the bushings come undersize and that they must be align-bored so that the shaft fits. This all sounds pretty gnarly, but I know folks on this list have done it themselves... are you one of them? If so, was it truly that painful? Regards, Gary [2002-07-15 23:23 -0400] Doyt W. Echelberger (Doyt@buckeye-express.com) wrote: > .................Your diesel runs on a fuel that is really a light oil. If > the injector pump is leaking (as they eventually do) you will get a > dribble/drip of diesel fuel from the injector pump. In my case, it was > enough of a stream to leave a trail on the road behind the vehicle. > > ................I'm pointing out the possibility of your oil leak being in > the diesel fuel system. This does not explain the high level of oil in the > crankcase, but is intended to alert you to the possibility that the oil on > the back of the bus might be diesel oil. Doyt Echelberger > .....snip.............................. > >Harmon Seaver > >CyberShamanix > >http://www.cybershamanix.com From hseaver at cybershamanix.com Tue Jul 16 00:16:28 2002 From: hseaver at cybershamanix.com (Harmon Seaver) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:58 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] '82 VW Westphalia diesel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020716041628.GA7571@cybershamanix.com> On Mon, Jul 15, 2002 at 05:53:57PM -0700, Scott Sullivan wrote: > > Electrical connector on the oil filter adapter, hummmmm. I am thinking you mean the oil cooler. I don?t recall there being a connector there. The oil pressure sender is in the head at the front of the motor. No, this is right on what the oil filter screws on to. Sure looks exactly like a sender for an oil pressure guage. -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com From LBaird119 at aol.com Tue Jul 16 03:05:43 2002 From: LBaird119 at aol.com (LBaird119@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:58 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] '82 VW Westphalia diesel Message-ID: <11b.139fd10e.2a6511b7@aol.com> The high oil is most likely from someone adding too much oil. You never know just why. Maybe someone thought it was an "x" quart system when it's really an "x-y" quart system. My wife did the same thing when I first overhauled the Jetta TD engine, with adding oil. The buzzer came on (worn oil pump I didn't realized needed replaced.) She checked the dipstick, saw no oil (it was too clean, diesel oil should be black and show!) She added a quart. Again it buzzed, again she added. This went on for 3 or 4 quarts and she decided to drive home. On the way it let out a big cloud and she thought she'd ruined the car. We limped it home and oh boy, get over 40 mph and it looked like a big cumulous cloud dropped on your tail! Pumped it out and it was fine. I also heard of a lady who's car wasn't running right. Her son checked it out and drained several extra quarts from the crankcase. The service station attendant (yeah, back in those days) would add a quart with every fillup whether she needed it or not! It's not likely it's an injector. You'd most likely blow a hole in a piston or at least the end off of a glow plug if it were that bad. Unlike a gas engine, there's not so much extra fuel and when they do such things, it's usually from a dead hole. The only way you'd have a dead hole is most likely from a really tight or burned valve. On the dynamic oil pressure enlightenment system (DOPES) ;-) You have an oil pressure sender on the head as well as on the oil filter housing. This would make me think you have a transplant engine. Usually the oil filter housings don't get swapped unless it's with an engine. It's possible someone put in a temp sensor but it's most likely the high oil pressure sender. Good outlet for a turbo feed line. :) The engine code will say if it's a non Vanagon engine. I believe they had their own set of letters. Loren From Doyt at buckeye-express.com Tue Jul 16 04:19:29 2002 From: Doyt at buckeye-express.com (Doyt W. Echelberger) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:58 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] '82 VW Westphalia diesel In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020715231354.025f3a10@mail.buckeye-express.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020716030050.025e8258@mail.buckeye-express.com> Hello Gary Shea and Gary-in San Diego. I have several diesels (3) and in one case I had the injector pump rebuilt, not by a local mechanic but by a company that does it for a living, mainly for 18 wheelers. Cost me $256. But that was before I found out about Ford ATF. The pump I was referring to in my post leaked BADLY but hasn't required a rebuild (yet). I tried a chemical remedy that stopped the leak. Didn't have anything to lose....I was going to have to shell out $256 anyhow if the leak didn't stop. That was about 3 years ago, and it is still running just finer every day. I poured a quart of Ford ATF into the fuel tank when it was about a quarter full, and I ran the engine about 20 minutes on that fuel to get the ATF into the pump, and then I shut it down overnight. Started it the next day and the leak was gone and hasn't returned. Seems that the ATF caused the injector pump internal seals to swell up just enough to stop the leak. And that's what happened to me. I still run a pint of ATF through the engine in a tank of diesel, about once a year. Doyt Echelberger in Ohio >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At 10:23 PM 7/15/2002 -0600, you wrote: >Hi Doyt -- > >I seem to have just encountered the leaking-pump syndrome, presumably >from the front bushing. The local Bosch tech (who seems like a decent >enough guy) told me it would probably be $250 to $300 to put in the >bushings because he'd have to tear down the pump, and that the internal >'vane pump' that sucks fuel through the filter is probably mostly shot >if the bushings are. He said that the bushings come undersize and that >they must be align-bored so that the shaft fits. This all sounds pretty >gnarly, but I know folks on this list have done it themselves... are you >one of them? If so, was it truly that painful? > >Regards, > > Gary > >[2002-07-15 23:23 -0400] Doyt W. Echelberger (Doyt@buckeye-express.com) wrote: > > .................Your diesel runs on a fuel that is really a light oil. If > > the injector pump is leaking (as they eventually do) you will get a > > dribble/drip of diesel fuel from the injector pump. In my case, it was > > enough of a stream to leave a trail on the road behind the vehicle. > > > > ................I'm pointing out the possibility of your oil leak being in > > the diesel fuel system. This does not explain the high level of oil in the > > crankcase, but is intended to alert you to the possibility that the oil on > > the back of the bus might be diesel oil. Doyt Echelberger > > .....snip.............................. > > >Harmon Seaver > > >CyberShamanix > > >http://www.cybershamanix.com From scameron at compmore.net Tue Jul 16 08:43:31 2002 From: scameron at compmore.net (Sandy Cameron) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:58 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] '82 VW Westphalia diesel Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.20020716144331.0067652c@mail.compmore.net> At 11:16 PM 7/15/02 -0500, you wrote: >On Mon, Jul 15, 2002 at 05:53:57PM -0700, Scott Sullivan wrote: > No, this is right on what the oil filter screws on to. Sure looks exactly >like a sender for an oil pressure guage. > >-- >Harmon Seaver The turbos, (and others) have 2 oil pressure senders, the high pressure one is on the oil filter casting, the low pressure one is on the end of the head. They both wire to the oil pressure "computer" hidden behind the speedo, that sounds the buzzer when oil pressure is low, and rpms are about 2k. The "computer" (not realy) also gets a speed cue from the "W" terminal of the alternator, also known as the tach terminal. The one on the head ensurs that the cam is getting enough oil, and the high press. one shouts if the main pump output drops. Sandy From nwall at opei.org Tue Jul 16 09:11:21 2002 From: nwall at opei.org (Nate Wall) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:58 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] Re: [Audi-VW-Diesels] Master cylinder R & R? References: <20020715233042.6CB5710DE19@carbine.dsl.net> Message-ID: <3D340D69.65BD9BE1@opei.org> -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] As long as it does not leak, all should be fine. Is it ATE brand? That's the OEM cylinder. I got one for about $75, new, for the Jetta. Chance Vought wrote: > I had a rear brake cylinder leak like a sieve. Stomped on the brakes > > and hardly any braking force was available. Luckily, it wasn't far > from home and I wasn't going fast. > > So I look and there's no fluid in the resevoir. I replace the rear > cylinders and bleed the systems. One system(diagonally) worked. I > then replace the master cylinder, bleed the system and all is fine. > > My question though, is about the resevoir. I had to reuse it on the > new master cylinder, except I can't seat it all the way down as with > the original cylinder. I looked at the replacement master cylinder > and the rubber grommets that the resevoir fits into. The > grommets/bushings aren't as deep (over all length of grommet/bushing > is shorter between the nipples and flair) as the original. So now > there's a gap between the resevoir seat and the grommet/bushing > seats. The gap is about the amount that the grommet/bushing is > short. Does this sound like a problem? I have no leaks or seeps at > the interface and the brakes have felt good. > > > Chance > 85 VW Golf 1.6 NA > http://www.rhinocat.com/~cvaf4u > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor [Image] Click here to find your contact lenses! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- From Doyt at buckeye-express.com Tue Jul 16 10:07:54 2002 From: Doyt at buckeye-express.com (Doyt W. Echelberger) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:58 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] '82 VW Westphalia diesel Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020716090651.026584d0@mail.buckeye-express.com> At 01:24 AM 7/16/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Hello, > >$256 for a rebuilt? Please tell us where so I can put in my file for >later use. I would gladly pay $256 rather than going through the hassle >of doing it myself again!. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At the time, I was working part-time for a VW dealer, and the parts manager used his contacts to get my injector pump rebuilt by the pros. I didn't keep the receipt when it came back, and it has been years since I worked there. Sorry, but the rebuilder will have to remain without a name because I just don't remember. It was probably a wholesale price. You might ask around at some local truck stops in your area of the world. The 18 wheelers run into leaky pumps frequently, and everybody needs a rebuilder now and then. Doyt in Ohio From hseaver at cybershamanix.com Tue Jul 16 09:27:12 2002 From: hseaver at cybershamanix.com (Harmon Seaver) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:58 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] '82 VW Westphalia diesel In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.20020716144331.0067652c@mail.compmore.net> References: <1.5.4.32.20020716144331.0067652c@mail.compmore.net> Message-ID: <20020716132712.GB7571@cybershamanix.com> On Tue, Jul 16, 2002 at 07:43:31AM -0700, Sandy Cameron wrote: > At 11:16 PM 7/15/02 -0500, you wrote: > >On Mon, Jul 15, 2002 at 05:53:57PM -0700, Scott Sullivan wrote: > > No, this is right on what the oil filter screws on to. Sure looks exactly > >like a sender for an oil pressure guage. > > > >-- > >Harmon Seaver > > The turbos, (and others) have 2 oil pressure senders, the high pressure one > is on the oil filter casting, the low pressure one is on the end of the head. > They both wire to the oil pressure "computer" hidden behind the speedo, that > sounds the buzzer when oil pressure is low, and rpms are about 2k. The > "computer" (not realy) also gets a speed cue from the "W" terminal of the > alternator, also known as the tach terminal. The one on the head ensurs that > the cam is getting enough oil, and the high press. one shouts if the main > pump output drops. > Ah, so this is most likely a transplant engine, as Loren said also. I'll have to check the numbers and see what's what. Never thought to look for a turbo, that would be nice. Or if it's the turbo engine sans turbo, I could probably add one easily enough then. So you can run a tach off the alternator? Does it take a special tach? -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com From hseaver at cybershamanix.com Tue Jul 16 10:42:33 2002 From: hseaver at cybershamanix.com (Harmon Seaver) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:58 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] Bentley Message-ID: <20020716144233.GA2054@cybershamanix.com> Does anyone have a source for Bentley manuals at a good price? -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com From dans at audifans.com Tue Jul 16 13:00:45 2002 From: dans at audifans.com (Dan Simoes) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:58 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] Bentley References: <20020716144233.GA2054@cybershamanix.com> Message-ID: <3D34432D.E12C189F@audifans.com> If you have a vag-com, Uwe Ross sells them on his site at a good price. Otherwise, try mysimon.com Harmon Seaver wrote: > > Does anyone have a source for Bentley manuals at a good price? > > -- > Harmon Seaver > CyberShamanix > http://www.cybershamanix.com > _______________________________________________ > vwdiesel mailing list > vwdiesel@vwfans.com > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/vwdiesel From LBaird119 at aol.com Tue Jul 16 16:35:55 2002 From: LBaird119 at aol.com (LBaird119@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:58 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] Bentley Message-ID: <15d.10fd7748.2a65cf9b@aol.com> One of the list members sells them at a good price. Otherwise you're looking at pretty much retail such as www.rb.com or used such as ebay. Loren From amsnare at suscom.net Tue Jul 16 16:51:32 2002 From: amsnare at suscom.net (Adrian Snare) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:58 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] The VW four door convertable References: <000901c2255d$6bf1f340$6601a8c0@insightbb.com> <3D2999FF.88FD33D8@opei.org> Message-ID: <002801c22d02$2f724e40$e0734e40@suscom.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Structurally Unsafe?? Absolutely, fun to drive in a safe environment??(**^*= *) Absolutely again. Ever watch the Three Stooges on AMC?? What I would giv= e to return to those carefree days of ignorance and bliss.I would love to o= perate one of those old heaps that the Three Stooges used... Cannot say I a= gree with all that has happened in the past 50 years, all this safety mania= , fear, security, political correctness..**^** this has to be recreated !! = Adrian the madman -- From maded at gte.net Tue Jul 16 13:15:19 2002 From: maded at gte.net (maded) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:58 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] '82 VW Westphalia diesel Message-ID: <20020716195846.CXOM20253.out017.verizon.net@[65.239.25.200]> It is very easy to put too much oil in these because of the crankcase shape. If the Van is not level, indicated oil on the dip stick can vary a ltr or more. If the oil level is too high, the excess can be blown out around the dipstick or filler cap. The plastic filler cap on the 82 is very easy to cross thread so that it does not tighten securely. Also, you can easily over-tighten and crack it. Are you getting the idea that this part of the Diesel Vanagon is not the best engineered solution? The '83 is better, this is what you have to live with. Unburnt fuel in the oil is very UN-likely due to the diesel cycle. If I recall correctly, you may have a dynamic oil pressure switch on the adapter, I think this must be a PO item or an adapter for an oil temp. You are lucky to find such a wonderful vehicle with little rust. Be patient with it and it will treat you well for many years. Ed Lowe, Seattle 82 Westy diesel upgrading to 1.9td 85 Golf diesel 92 Cabrio 97 Passat Tdi ---------- >From: Harmon Seaver > I figure either someone put too much oil in (not likely that much) or else >the injectors need rebuilding and unburnt fuel is getting into the crankcase. >I also notice that there is a electrical connector on the oil filter adaptor, >what looks like a pressure switch, with no wire on it, no loose wires nearby >that I can see. Any clues -- I don't have a manual yet for this one. From bfoust at ntws.net Tue Jul 16 21:14:44 2002 From: bfoust at ntws.net (Bryan Foust) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:58 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] Ebay listings Message-ID: The time has come for me to clean out a large collection of diesel stuff from my shop. I've put the first of the stuff to be sold on ebay. I would like to see one of the list members get this stuff. Here is the link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1844332005&ssP ageName=ADME:B:LC:MT:1 I hope that somebody has some use for this stuff. Bryan 1975 Mercedes 240D 1988.5 Suzuki Samurai Hardtop 1999 Dodge Ram Cummins Turbodiesel 2002 Saturn SC2 From LBaird119 at aol.com Wed Jul 17 03:29:47 2002 From: LBaird119 at aol.com (LBaird119@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:58 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] Ebay listings Message-ID: From the looks of the pictures you found a real close match to the original diesel block paint color. Is it as close as it looks and if so what color is it?! :) Loren From flub at adelphia.net Wed Jul 17 10:37:44 2002 From: flub at adelphia.net (Bradley Flubacher) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:58 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] Ebay listings References: Message-ID: <3D357328.6060505@adelphia.net> I used GM diesel green with is a little lighter, but not a bad match. Brad LBaird119@aol.com wrote: > From the looks of the pictures you found a real close match to the original >diesel block paint color. Is it as close as it looks and if so what color is >it?! > :) > Loren >_______________________________________________ >vwdiesel mailing list >vwdiesel@vwfans.com >http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/vwdiesel > > > From nwall at opei.org Wed Jul 17 12:07:00 2002 From: nwall at opei.org (Nate Wall) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:58 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] Paint and Flywheel Bolts Message-ID: <3D358814.5AE33086@opei.org> Has anyone found a source/brand of the VW green paint used to paint diesel blocks, or somthing similar looking? Also, Bentley says to replace the flywheel bolts once removed. Who does this? I did last time it got a new clutch, but would like to skip if unnecessary. --Nate From jon.sykes at ps.ge.com Wed Jul 17 15:34:15 2002 From: jon.sykes at ps.ge.com (jon.sykes@ps.ge.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:58 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] '82 VW Westphalia diesel Message-ID: <01777D788919D5118EDD00508BCFEA7B03B55AA0@nyschx16psge.sch.ge.com> I wonder if there are specific 'seal conditioner' additives out there? -----Original Message----- From: Gary, San Diego [mailto:gabangs@san.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 2:24 AM To: Doyt W. Echelberger Cc: Gary Shea; vwdiesel@vwfans.com Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] '82 VW Westphalia diesel Hello, $256 for a rebuilt? Please tell us where so I can put in my file for later use. I would gladly pay $256 rather than going through the hassle of doing it myself again!. There was a huge thread about a year ago concerning the use of ATF as a diesel supplement. I believe the general consensus was that it was a waste of time and money(for lubricity purposes). However, there are always seem to be people like yourself who have had a positive experience. It actually makes sense, because ATF(you claim Ford, but I'm sure most others as well[please tell me if I'm wrong]) are loaded with seal conditions and what-not. So a yearly application seems to be a good idea to keep the seals supple and pliant. -Gary, San Diego From flub at adelphia.net Wed Jul 17 19:01:08 2002 From: flub at adelphia.net (Bradley Flubacher) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:58 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] '82 VW Westphalia diesel References: <1.5.4.32.20020716144331.0067652c@mail.compmore.net> <20020716132712.GB7571@cybershamanix.com> Message-ID: <3D35E924.8060603@adelphia.net> My engine is a transplant. It originally came in a Jetta. It too has the two threaded holes in the filter flange. I have a temp sender in one for a gauge, and a pressure switch in the other. Originally in the jetta it had just the open-to-close switch as apposed to the closed-to-open switch that is on the head. Common. Brad Harmon Seaver wrote: >On Tue, Jul 16, 2002 at 07:43:31AM -0700, Sandy Cameron wrote: > > >>At 11:16 PM 7/15/02 -0500, you wrote: >> >> >>>On Mon, Jul 15, 2002 at 05:53:57PM -0700, Scott Sullivan wrote: >>> No, this is right on what the oil filter screws on to. Sure looks exactly >>>like a sender for an oil pressure guage. >>> >>>-- >>>Harmon Seaver >>> >>> >>The turbos, (and others) have 2 oil pressure senders, the high pressure one >>is on the oil filter casting, the low pressure one is on the end of the head. >>They both wire to the oil pressure "computer" hidden behind the speedo, that >>sounds the buzzer when oil pressure is low, and rpms are about 2k. The >>"computer" (not realy) also gets a speed cue from the "W" terminal of the >>alternator, also known as the tach terminal. The one on the head ensurs that >>the cam is getting enough oil, and the high press. one shouts if the main >>pump output drops. >> >> >> > > Ah, so this is most likely a transplant engine, as Loren said also. I'll have >to check the numbers and see what's what. Never thought to look for a turbo, >that would be nice. Or if it's the turbo engine sans turbo, I could probably add >one easily enough then. > So you can run a tach off the alternator? Does it take a special tach? > > >-- >Harmon Seaver >CyberShamanix >http://www.cybershamanix.com >_______________________________________________ >vwdiesel mailing list >vwdiesel@vwfans.com >http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/vwdiesel > > > From sshourds at flash.net Wed Jul 17 22:08:44 2002 From: sshourds at flash.net (Shalyn Shourds) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:58 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] a meta-bentley question Message-ID: <3D36232C.94B1081F@flash.net> Since this has come up.... I recently took the old '85 Jetta TD on a 2861 mile trip across the southern US. Somewhere in Eastern Tennesee, the tachometer started dipping. I pulled over and tightened the belts thinking it was the alternator belt slipping. It wasn't. Pulled over again and messed with the wires some and the tach totally died. About the same time, when I checked inside the cab to see if the tach had come back to life, I saw that the "buy a new engine" (oil pressure) light and buzzer were in full force. I eventually regained my courage and figured it was an electrical problem, jiggled the wire on the oil cooler sensor and it went away. I still have no tachometer, though. I looked into Bentley, but the wiring diagram stops at a black box. Anyone know what kind of output I should be getting at the W terminal at idle--a steady voltage, some kind of alternating current? Or, anyone know where the wire goes after it enters the firewall? I appreciate any guidance. The car runs fine, but I bothers me to see that tach needle dead on zero. Car ran great on the rest of the trip. Only creepy part was realizing I was the oldest car on the highway. Even older than the cars on the side of the road. I guess that's a good thing, though. -Shalyn '85 Jetta TD 270,000 mi. From LBaird119 at aol.com Thu Jul 18 03:14:34 2002 From: LBaird119 at aol.com (LBaird119@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:58 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] a meta-bentley question Message-ID: <124.13e00364.2a67b6ca@aol.com> Mine was always just the connector at the alternator. It was kind of short to start with and then a little bit of corrosion and poof, no connection. Loren From LBaird119 at aol.com Thu Jul 18 03:16:55 2002 From: LBaird119 at aol.com (LBaird119@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:58 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] Paint and Flywheel Bolts Message-ID: <1bb.358f67c.2a67b757@aol.com> > Has anyone found a source/brand of the VW green paint used to paint > diesel blocks, or something similar looking? I've been thinking of having some custom mixed but I can't find a good sample of any original paint! > > Also, Bentley says to replace the flywheel bolts once removed. Who does > this? I did last time it got a new clutch, but would like to skip if > unnecessary. > I've never replaced one. They look like high grade bolts and don't get any outrageous torque or extra turns. I know I've had the Rabbit ones out at least twice. Loren From ecodiesel1 at hotmail.com Thu Jul 18 15:36:31 2002 From: ecodiesel1 at hotmail.com (Fernando Fiore) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:58 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] Ebay listings Message-ID: I always had in my mind to paint the block John Deere Green, I think that may even be closer. >From: LBaird119@aol.com >To: vwdiesel@vwfans.com >Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] Ebay listings >Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 02:29:47 EDT > > From the looks of the pictures you found a real close match to the >original >diesel block paint color. Is it as close as it looks and if so what color >is >it?! > :) > Loren >_______________________________________________ >vwdiesel mailing list >vwdiesel@vwfans.com >http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/vwdiesel Fernando Fiore, "Nando" 84 VW Rabbit Diesel "GTI" 1/4= 21.249 @ 60.95mph 81 Audi 5000S Diesel 1/4= N/A _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From maded at gte.net Thu Jul 18 12:21:47 2002 From: maded at gte.net (maded) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:58 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] Free Chilton's manual Message-ID: <20020718194638.UEDZ252.out020.verizon.net@[65.239.25.59]> Anyone want a Chilton's Manual VW Golf-Jetta-Cabrio 90-99,#70402, including diesel? It is yours for the media mail fee. Unfortunatly it got wet and is mildewy. I treated it with Bleach water and sunshine but I cant' keep it due to allergy. If no interest it goes into the recycling next week. Ed Lowe, Seattle 82 Westy diesel upgrading to 1.9td 85 Golf diesel 92 Cabrio 97 Passat Tdi From maded at gte.net Thu Jul 18 12:55:56 2002 From: maded at gte.net (maded) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:58 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] Theft deterrent for diesels Message-ID: <20020718194647.UEFC252.out020.verizon.net@[65.239.25.59]> I have always thought that our diesels had an easy anti theft option in the fuel cut-off solenoid. A hidden switch could be put into the line. Switch off, no go. Ed Lowe, Seattle 82 Westy diesel upgrading to 1.9td 85 Golf diesel 92 Cabrio 97 Passat Tdi From scameron at compmore.net Thu Jul 18 17:31:25 2002 From: scameron at compmore.net (Sandy Cameron) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:58 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] Theft deterrent for diesels Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.20020718233125.006631c8@mail.compmore.net> Our diesels are mysterious enough to unwashed gassers that the police are already enroute from the donut shop before the glow plugs have cycled. At 11:55 AM 7/18/02 -0700, you wrote: >I have always thought that our diesels had an easy anti theft option in the >fuel cut-off solenoid. > >A hidden switch could be put into the line. Switch off, no go. > > >Ed Lowe, Seattle From roseland at ns.sympatico.ca Thu Jul 18 22:58:15 2002 From: roseland at ns.sympatico.ca (Brian or Pam Harrison) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:58 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] Re: a meta-bentley question In-Reply-To: <20020718161221.0296D7D6@www.audifans.com> Message-ID: <3D3739F7.13783.35DC1FA@localhost> Hi Shalyn; The output from the "W" terminal is AC which has a changing frequency proportional to engine rpms. The output is used in the oil pressure warning system, the tachometer, the up-shift indicator system and glow plug relay. I put a VDO diesel tach in a 1980 Rabbit diesel that I had one time. I took the alternator apart and soldered a wire on one phase of the 3 phase AC generator before the output goes through the diodes to be rectified into DC. I also did the same thing to a couple of mid 80s GMC trucks with the 6.2 L diesel so that they would have a tachometer. If is broken at the alternator, it can be fixed. You should check yours to see if there is an AC output at the "W" terminal, the wire should be red with a black stripe and will go to the fuse box ( connector C, pin 11 ) where it is distributed to the other items that use it. Check for continuity from your fuse box connector back to the alternator to make sure there are no breaks in the wire. Any wire that has that colour code should be part of that circuit and should have the same voltage on it. That is the same colour wire that goes to the tach in the instrument panel. Regards; Brian Stewiacke, Nova Scotia, Canada roseland@ns.sympatico.ca "VW Diesel Driver Since 1978" 63 Type 2 72 Beetle 85 Jetta GL td 617,000km 95 Passat GLS td wagon 260,000km 97 Jetta GL TDI 140,000km www3.ns.sympatico.ca/roseland > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 21:08:44 -0500 > From: Shalyn Shourds > Organization: FlashNet User > To: vwdiesel@vwfans.com > Subject: [Vwdiesel] a meta-bentley question > > Since this has come up.... I recently took the old '85 > Jetta TD on a 2861 mile trip across the southern US. > Somewhere in Eastern Tennesee, the tachometer started > dipping. I pulled over and tightened the belts thinking it > was the alternator belt slipping. It wasn't. Pulled over > again and messed with the wires some and the tach totally > died. About the same time, when I checked inside the cab to > see if the tach had come back to life, I saw that the "buy a > new engine" (oil pressure) light and buzzer were in full > force. I eventually regained my courage and figured it was > an electrical problem, jiggled the wire on the oil cooler > sensor and it went away. I still have no tachometer, > though. I looked into Bentley, but the wiring diagram stops > at a black box. Anyone know what kind of output I should be > getting at the W terminal at idle--a steady voltage, some > kind of alternating current? Or, anyone know where the wire > goes after it enters the firewall? > > I appreciate any guidance. The car runs fine, but I > bothers me to see that tach needle dead on zero. Car ran > great on the > rest of the trip. Only creepy part was realizing I was the > oldest car on the highway. Even older than the cars on the > side of the road. I guess that's a good thing, though. > > -Shalyn > > '85 Jetta TD 270,000 mi. From hseaver at cybershamanix.com Fri Jul 19 00:06:52 2002 From: hseaver at cybershamanix.com (Harmon Seaver) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:58 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] turboizing 1.6NA Message-ID: <20020719040652.GA3246@cybershamanix.com> How difficult would it be to add a turbo on my '82 Westy's 1.6 engine? Can I just use the parts from a 1.9TD? Is there a website somewhere for this conversion? -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com From bfoust at ntws.net Fri Jul 19 02:26:08 2002 From: bfoust at ntws.net (Bryan Foust) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:58 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] turboizing 1.6NA In-Reply-To: <20020719040652.GA3246@cybershamanix.com> Message-ID: You would be looking at replacing both the intake and exhaust manifolds. You would also have to plumb in the lines for the turbo bearings. YOu would also have to replace the injection pump with a turbo unit. I've heard of this being done. One problem is bearing coking as the turbo lies almost at the same level as the oil pan in a vanagon. With as hard as a N/A engine works just plain moving a vanagon, I'd want to think that hanging a turbo on a N/A block would be a very undesirable combination. Better to put a real TD engine in it. Bryan 1975 Mercedes 240D 1988.5 Suzuki Samurai Hardtop 1999 Dodge Ram Cummins Turbodiesel 2002 Saturn SC2 -----Original Message----- From: vwdiesel-admin@vwfans.com [mailto:vwdiesel-admin@vwfans.com]On Behalf Of Harmon Seaver Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 11:07 PM To: vwdiesel@vwfans.com Subject: [Vwdiesel] turboizing 1.6NA How difficult would it be to add a turbo on my '82 Westy's 1.6 engine? Can I just use the parts from a 1.9TD? Is there a website somewhere for this conversion? -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com _______________________________________________ vwdiesel mailing list vwdiesel@vwfans.com http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/vwdiesel From LBaird119 at aol.com Fri Jul 19 03:26:36 2002 From: LBaird119 at aol.com (LBaird119@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:58 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] thanks to the members of the list Message-ID: <175.b7e2968.2a690b1c@aol.com> > I have asked quite a few question here about the oil pressure with problems > with my 85 Jetta. I finally got the intermediate bearings replaced. > > I greatly appreciate the good advice and help, > Expound man! What procedure did you use, how difficult did you find the task, how was the fit, did it fix the problem??? :) Loren From Doyt at buckeye-express.com Fri Jul 19 07:50:59 2002 From: Doyt at buckeye-express.com (Doyt W. Echelberger) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:58 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] Re:turboizing 1.6NA Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020719062507.018f6938@mail.buckeye-express.com> Also, a factory 1.6TD has oil squirters built into the connecting rods to bathe the undersides of the pistons with oil and remove heat. And as Bryan points out, it will require a different IM and EM and special TD injector pump, and turbo with oil and water lines and intake boot.And whatever he powers that vanagon will have to run pretty hard just to move all that weight. A TD really makes a Rabbit fun to drive, and it makes a Jetta move pretty much like a gasoline-fired engine, but when I tried towing with my 1.6TD Jetta, I got some tendency toward overheating that I didn't like. As Bryan says, whatever engine that goes in that vanagon is going to have to move a lot of weight all the time, and will be working pretty hard just to move the empty vehicle. And lots of people load their vehicles to the max for vacations. The engineers that designed the factory TD had reasons for making it different than the NA model. Doyt Echelberger >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: vwdiesel-admin@vwfans.com Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 01:26:08 -0500 You would be looking at replacing both the intake and exhaust manifolds. You would also have to plumb in the lines for the turbo bearings. YOu would also have to replace the injection pump with a turbo unit. I've heard of this being done. One problem is bearing coking as the turbo lies almost at the same level as the oil pan in a vanagon. With as hard as a N/A engine works just plain moving a vanagon, I'd want to think that hanging a turbo on a N/A block would be a very undesirable combination. Better to put a real TD engine in it. Bryan 1975 Mercedes 240D 1988.5 Suzuki Samurai Hardtop 1999 Dodge Ram Cummins Turbodiesel 2002 Saturn SC2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Harmon Seaver Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 11:07 PM How difficult would it be to add a turbo on my '82 Westy's 1.6 engine? Can I just use the parts from a 1.9TD? Is there a website somewhere for this conversion? -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com From swright at zuiko.sls.bc.ca Fri Jul 19 08:01:19 2002 From: swright at zuiko.sls.bc.ca (Shawn Wright) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:58 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] thanks to the members of the list In-Reply-To: <001d01c24665$754fcb00$87654e40@suscom.net> Message-ID: <3D37B93F.604.5C2B637E@localhost> On 17 Aug 2002 at 20:15, David Kysar wrote: > I have asked quite a few question here about the oil pressure with problems with my 85 Jetta. I finally got the intermediate bearings replaced. > > I greatly appreciate the good advice and help, > Hi, I've got the same problems with low oil pressure and am fairly certain it is the Intermediate bearings. Can you tell us how you got them done & how much it cost? I'm still trying to figure out if this is something I can tackle myself without doing a complete rebuild. Thanks.Shawn Wright, I.T. Manager Shawnigan Lake School swright@SLS.bc.ca http://Zuiko.sls.bc.ca/swright http://www.sls.bc.ca From duncan.forbes at ints.com Fri Jul 19 08:37:20 2002 From: duncan.forbes at ints.com (Duncan L. Forbes) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:58 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] Thanks and Good Bye In-Reply-To: <3D37B93F.604.5C2B637E@localhost> Message-ID: Hi all, Well I am now a member of the ranks of unwashed heathen who do not own diesels. My beloved Volvo diesel wagon is now in the care of another who has the time and energy to rebuild it's 6 Cylinder VW engine and keep it on the road (which I am extremely happy about). Therefore I am going to unsubscribe from the list to reduce my email traffic. I have greatly appreciated all the advice and help I have received from so many of you during my time on the list. I would like to say that you are a wonderful and diverse group and I have enjoyed getting to know many of you. The many discussions that have taken place on this list where you have shared your knowledge, experience and opinions have been fun, helpful and educational. You are a community as unique as the cars you love and drive. I hope to rejoin you again. I have been thoroughly bitten with the diesel bug and feel confident that there is a VW Jetta TDI wagon in my future (if I can convince my wife to go into debt again). After all diesel owners are more intelligent and better looking than the rest and I would hate to be excluded from those categories. A special thanks to the list admin for running this list. You are doing a wonderful service. Thank you for doing so. Again, thanks to all of you. Duncan L. Forbes From vanagon at gerry.vanagon.com Fri Jul 19 14:03:17 2002 From: vanagon at gerry.vanagon.com (vanagon) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:58 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] A very nice game Message-ID: <20020719170317.A5F92579@www.audifans.com> -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] ------------------ Virus Warning Message (on www.audifans.com) Found virus WORM_KLEZ.H in file kitty.exe The file is deleted. --------------------------------------------------------- From jonedgar at starpower.net Fri Jul 19 15:07:39 2002 From: jonedgar at starpower.net (jonedgar) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:58 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] A IE 6.0 patch Message-ID: <20020719180739.7266B560@www.audifans.com> -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] ------------------ Virus Warning Message (on www.audifans.com) Found virus WORM_KLEZ.H in file Swings.scr The file is deleted. --------------------------------------------------------- From bfoust at ntws.net Fri Jul 19 14:52:58 2002 From: bfoust at ntws.net (Bryan Foust) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:58 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] Bentley manual for sale Message-ID: As I am selling off my accumulation of VW diesel stuff, I will no longer be needing my bently manual. Mine is the Rabbit/Jetta/Pickup manual that covers models made from 1977 through 1984, including the turbodiesel. I figured that I would give the group here first crack at it. I am asking $20 for it, which will include the cost to ship it. Bryan 1975 Mercedes 240D 1988.5 Suzuki Samurai Hardtop 1999 Dodge Ram Cummins Turbodiesel 2002 Saturn SC2 From FJ40Jim at aol.com Sat Jul 20 00:47:51 2002 From: FJ40Jim at aol.com (FJ40Jim@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:58 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] intercooler ?'s Message-ID: <80.1ea3e7bb.2a6a3767@aol.com> Deezlheads, A Volvo 745 TD recently followed me home and is now living in my garage. These weird strays always seem to find me. 8^) My question is how do I add an intercooler. The turbo looks to be positioned similar to the 5 cyl TD. I have an intercooler from a gas 5cyl. turbo car (85 5KST), but it might not have an outlet that is suitable for this vehicle. Anybody have a BTDT w/ the 6 cyl. VW TD engine? Thanks, Jim Chenoweth Lancaster, Ohio, USA 7.3L IDI F350 2.4L TD 745 From eyvind.spangen at c2i.net Sat Jul 20 11:34:41 2002 From: eyvind.spangen at c2i.net (Eyvind Spangen) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:58 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] intercooler ?'s In-Reply-To: <80.1ea3e7bb.2a6a3767@aol.com> References: <80.1ea3e7bb.2a6a3767@aol.com> Message-ID: <638iju4eh179q2ki118p4m1rgm8khgn10a@4ax.com> On Fri, 19 Jul 2002 23:47:51 EDT, you wrote: >Deezlheads, >A Volvo 745 TD recently followed me home and is now living in my garage. >These weird strays always seem to find me. 8^) >My question is how do I add an intercooler. The turbo looks to be positioned >similar to the 5 cyl TD. I have an intercooler from a gas 5cyl. turbo car >(85 5KST), but it might not have an outlet that is suitable for this vehicle. > Anybody have a BTDT w/ the 6 cyl. VW TD engine? Maybe you can use the intercooler from a 740/745 Turbo? At least it will drop right into the car, but you'll probably need some custom plumbing.. -- E. Spangen '90 Audi 200TQ 20v From LBaird119 at aol.com Sat Jul 20 12:42:02 2002 From: LBaird119 at aol.com (LBaird119@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:58 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] intercooler ?'s Message-ID: <82.1e9d1719.2a6adeca@aol.com> In a message dated 7/19/2002 8:58:01 PM Pacific Daylight Time, FJ40Jim@aol.com writes: > A Volvo 745 TD recently followed me home and is now living in my garage. > These weird strays always seem to find me. 8^) Somehow I think I understand! ;-) > My question is how do I add an intercooler. The turbo looks to be > positioned > similar to the 5 cyl TD. I have an intercooler from a gas 5cyl. turbo car > (85 5KST), but it might not have an outlet that is suitable for this vehicle. > > Anybody have a BTDT w/ the 6 cyl. VW TD engine? There should be a fairly simple way to do it. Get the parts from an intercooled gasser, from a yard. I'm planning to intercool my 5KTD and for the most part it'll just bolt up once I remove the secondary radiator, which is where the intercooler goes. Since the manifold is basically the same as the Audi, and the Audi gasser is about the same as the Audi diesel... You might be able to use some parts from a combination of the cars and only make a couple of tubes or hoses to complete it. You'd think they'd be smart enough to put an intercooler on these things at the factory! My 5000 runs enough boost almost all the time, to benefit from an intercooler even at cruise. Loren From FJ40Jim at aol.com Sat Jul 20 16:06:10 2002 From: FJ40Jim at aol.com (FJ40Jim@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:58 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] intercooler ?'s Message-ID: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] In a message dated 7/20/2002, eyvind.spangen@c2i.net writes: > >A Volvo 745 TD recently followed me home and is now living in my garage. > >These weird strays always seem to find me. 8^) > >My question is how do I add an intercooler. The turbo looks to be > positioned > >similar to the 5 cyl TD. I have an intercooler from a gas 5cyl. turbo car > >(85 5KST), but it might not have an outlet that is suitable for this > vehicle. > > Anybody have a BTDT w/ the 6 cyl. VW TD engine? > > Maybe you can use the intercooler from a 740/745 Turbo? At least it > will drop right into the car, but you'll probably need some custom > plumbing.. > Yes, I'm considering the 740 intercooler, but it is a large, crossflow piece. Good for a crossflow gasser engine, but would require long plumbing to get back around to the manifold side of the non-crossflow VW head. The Audi 5KST (100 turbo in the EU) intercooler is a double pass unit with the inlet and outlet on the same end. It's not as big as the Volvo unit, but it packages much better w/ this engine. I'm thinking the loss of efficiency for the Audi cooler, compared to the Volvo cooler, would be made up for in the much shorter plumbing connections, and decreased turbo lag. Thanks, Jim Chenoweth Lancaster, Ohio, USA From FJ40Jim at aol.com Sat Jul 20 16:06:14 2002 From: FJ40Jim at aol.com (FJ40Jim@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:58 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] intercooler ?'s Message-ID: <57.ea776d7.2a6b0ea6@aol.com> -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] In a message dated 7/20/2002, LBaird119 writes: > > My question is how do I add an intercooler. The turbo looks to be > > positioned > > similar to the 5 cyl TD. I have an intercooler from a gas 5cyl. turbo > car > > (85 5KST), but it might not have an outlet that is suitable for this > vehicle. > > > > Anybody have a BTDT w/ the 6 cyl. VW TD engine? > > There should be a fairly simple way to do it. Get the parts from an > intercooled gasser, from a yard. I'm planning to intercool my 5KTD and > for the most part it'll just bolt up once I remove the secondary radiator, > > which is where the intercooler goes. Since the manifold is basically the > same as the Audi, and the Audi gasser is about the same as the Audi > diesel... You might be able to use some parts from a combination of > the cars and only make a couple of tubes or hoses to complete it. > You'd think they'd be smart enough to put an intercooler on these > things at the factory! My 5000 runs enough boost almost all the time, > to benefit from an intercooler even at cruise . Loren, That is the route I am leaning toward right now. This is a relatively heavy and boxy car, so it will take some horsepower to shove it down the highway at 70MPH. If it is always on boost at cruise speed, then it would be more efficient if it also has an intercooler. The trick will be getting the turbo clocked differently so the compressor outlet is not pointed straight at the intake and then building the custom plumbing. Does anybody have a source for hose and thinwall aluminum tubing for building IC systems? Thanks, Jim Chenoweth Lancaster, Ohio, USA From kellyjm at utinet.net Sat Jul 20 17:37:36 2002 From: kellyjm at utinet.net (John M. Kelly) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:58 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] taller tranny might be in order References: <57.ea776d7.2a6b0ea6@aol.com> Message-ID: <052701c2302d$4c9b4160$475894ce@meanbee> Hi Jim, What about the tranny? you'll need to find a gasser tranny (5spd) along with some taller tires to be able to keep from over-revving the TD, right? Doesn't the 1.6na work like the devil (like 4k rpm @ 60mph)? I don't have a van yet, but am in the process in buying one - looking forward to every second of tortoise fun! j ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2002 3:06 PM Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] intercooler ?'s > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > In a message dated 7/20/2002, LBaird119 writes: > > > My question is how do I add an intercooler. The turbo looks to be > > > positioned > > > similar to the 5 cyl TD. I have an intercooler from a gas 5cyl. turbo > > car > > > (85 5KST), but it might not have an outlet that is suitable for this > > vehicle. > > > > > > Anybody have a BTDT w/ the 6 cyl. VW TD engine? > > > > There should be a fairly simple way to do it. Get the parts from an > > intercooled gasser, from a yard. I'm planning to intercool my 5KTD and > > for the most part it'll just bolt up once I remove the secondary radiator, > > > > which is where the intercooler goes. Since the manifold is basically the > > same as the Audi, and the Audi gasser is about the same as the Audi > > diesel... You might be able to use some parts from a combination of > > the cars and only make a couple of tubes or hoses to complete it. > > You'd think they'd be smart enough to put an intercooler on these > > things at the factory! My 5000 runs enough boost almost all the time, > > to benefit from an intercooler even at cruise > . > > Loren, > That is the route I am leaning toward right now. This is a relatively heavy > and boxy car, so it will take some horsepower to shove it down the highway at > 70MPH. If it is always on boost at cruise speed, then it would be more > efficient if it also has an intercooler. The trick will be getting the turbo > clocked differently so the compressor outlet is not pointed straight at the > intake and then building the custom plumbing. Does anybody have a source for > hose and thinwall aluminum tubing for building IC systems? > > Thanks, > Jim Chenoweth > Lancaster, Ohio, USA > _______________________________________________ > vwdiesel mailing list > vwdiesel@vwfans.com > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/vwdiesel > From LBaird119 at aol.com Sat Jul 20 19:34:21 2002 From: LBaird119 at aol.com (LBaird119@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:58 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] intercooler ?'s Message-ID: > I'm thinking the loss of efficiency for the Audi > cooler, compared to the Volvo cooler, would be made up for in the much > shorter plumbing connections, and decreased turbo lag. The Audi cooler is pretty efficient. Jake was pulling around 200 F off of his TD Rabbit with one. The length of plumbing contributing to turbo lag seems to be more myth than fact. Most turbo lag comes from too large a turbo for the engine. Long tubing just makes for a little more buffer so transitions would be smoother rather than slower. Both are most likely unnoticeable. The only catch with the Audi intercooler is that the bottom opening points pretty heavily downward. Plumbing should be fairly easy to weld together with prefab bends and some straight. Could go with mandrel bends for a nice smooth look and flow. A muffler shop should be able to bend anything you want, in single pieces, if you don't mind the standard bends. Of course that will be steel instead of aluminum. Maybe you could find some copper tubing? That'd transfer a little more heat than steel! Re-clocking the turbo is easy. Just loosen the ~6 bolts holding the compressor housing to the center section and turn. It will likely stick though. If it's a KKK then it uses an o-ring and you can pop it off, oil the seal, and slip it back on oriented as you want. Garretts use a thin gasket and it's likely to really stick and a chance it will tear when separating. Of course you should be able to get a new one but I think all Volvos use the KKK anyway. I remember Dave Puleo got 45 mpg on his maiden voyage with his 245 Volvo, 4 door, sedan with a standard! I think he did a little ceramic coating and used the thickest head gasket. He upped the fuel and boost some too, as well as big exhaust. I need to find him. He still owes me 6 new injector nozzles back! Loren From hseaver at cybershamanix.com Sat Jul 20 20:22:11 2002 From: hseaver at cybershamanix.com (Harmon Seaver) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:58 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] blowing oil Message-ID: <20020721002211.GA7831@cybershamanix.com> I've got something weird going on with the '82 diesel westy I just bought. I had drained the oil and refilled with exact amount, drove around town a bit, not smoke, no drips from leaks. So today I filled it up with fresh fuel and a jug of injector cleaner, went out on the freeway to check it out, also to check out the speedo which I fixed, and found I could run a steady 65-67 top end so did that for about 4 miles, during which I noticed some blue (maybe black or grey, hard to tell when it's all behind you) smoke for awhile but which quit after a couple miles. When I stopped, there was that nasty black film all over the rear end again, but when I wiped it, it seemed almost more like black water than oil. So, since I wanted a longer run, and it wasn't smoking anymore, I washed off the rear end and hit the freeway again. Checked the oil first, it was right up to the max mark. Went about 15 miles pedal to the metal, 65-67mph. Stopped, looked at the rear end, not a trace of oil (or whatever that black stuff was), checked the oil, not down at all, so I hit the freeway again, but shortly after I got on the freeway and got up to speed, I started seeing a real light grey or white smoke which continued for maybe 10 miles. I drove 30 miles altogether after the stop where there was no oil, went to a gas station to top off the tank so I could see how much fuel I'd used (it was getting a little over 25mpg), but to my surprise, the back end was totally black with oil, and, even worse, the engine was down 2 qts. So I put in more oil, and wiped off a big place on the back so I could see if it was blowing oil again, and headed for home, same thing flat out, but now I'm in a bit of a head wind so only going about 63. I drove about 45 miles getting home, there was no smoke the whole time that I could see, and it used not a bit of oil. So -- what's going on here? I've blown any number of oil seals on engines before and had the rear end of a vehicle covered with oil, but it didn't stop and start again and it also left plenty of oil on the ground when it was parked. And, I have to assume that the smoking and the oil on the back are from one and the same cause -- no smoke, no oil usuage, and no oil on the rearend. Is there some sort of PCV valve that is getting plugged up or something? Sorry, I've ordered a Bentley, but it's not here yet. And if it's that, why isn't the engine covered with oil? It seems like it's blowing out thru the engine, which would indicate a holed piston, trashed rings, or the like, but then why would it stop, and why is the starting and power so good? -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com From cotter at mhtc.net Sat Jul 20 23:36:51 2002 From: cotter at mhtc.net (Dan Cotter) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:58 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] blowing oil References: <20020721002211.GA7831@cybershamanix.com> Message-ID: <000d01c23067$dc97dd20$70c9b4d8@default> I got no westy--just a bunch of rabbits for a long time. I understand the stock westy diesel transmission is geared low; 55 mph being the best top speed to run at--this van probably has a few miles on it-- My guess is that it is piston ring blow by while running flat out Although the variability is not explained by this. Cotter found I could run a steady 65-67 top end so did that > for about 4 miles, during which I noticed some blue (maybe black or grey, hard > to tell when it's all behind you) smoke for awhile but which quit after a couple > . Went about 15 miles pedal to the metal, 65-67mph. Stopped, > looked at the rear end, not a trace of oil , but> to my surprise, the back end was totally black with oil, and, even worse, the > engine was down 2 qts. > From hillsgrove at adelphia.net Sun Jul 21 01:30:31 2002 From: hillsgrove at adelphia.net (Lee Hillsgrove) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:58 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] 1.9 downpipes FS Message-ID: <000101c2306f$5dfc15a0$23263618@lee.bur.adelphia.net.> Found this on the TDIclub for-sale forum. I know nothing about it, contact the author for more details. Sounds like just the ticket for a 1.9 conversion if you don't want to extend the downpipe. Lee Oo-v-oO PP-ASEL KB1GNI Hey everyone! If you're a prechamber td lover like me, and interested in performance like me, check this out! I got a bunch of 1.9L TD downpipes for sale. Do away with the small diameter, cast iron downpipe with the clip-on outlet. These downpipes are good condition VW originals, with integral flex joints, the four bolt flange on the turbo and a three bolt flange where the catalytic converter would go. Typical installation would be the 1994+ 1.9L Td golf, jetta, passat. They fit A2 chassis cars as well, but would require modification to fit an A1 chassis. Selling for only $129 plus shipping. Compare that to the small fortune you'd spend for a new one. Email v_dubber@yahoo.com Happy dieseling! Here's the URL for the original article, you may have to cut-n-paste it: http://forums.tdiclub.com/NonCGI/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=7;t=002653 From hseaver at cybershamanix.com Sat Jul 20 23:39:22 2002 From: hseaver at cybershamanix.com (Harmon Seaver) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:58 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] blowing oil In-Reply-To: <20020721002211.GA7831@cybershamanix.com> References: <20020721002211.GA7831@cybershamanix.com> Message-ID: <20020721033922.GB8244@cybershamanix.com> It's been suggested that (a) I'm driving too fast for a diesel westy, 60 should be tops), and (b) that I check the valve cover oil breather for clogging. But also that VW put out a oil breather kit for the westy that helped some. Does anyone know of a source for supplemental oil breathers? And I suppose slowing down would be a good idea. Also I'm thinking of putting on some 15" Mercedes alloys with 215/65/15R tires on them that I've had on my '73 westy, they worked great on that, but it had a lot more power than the diesel. Should bring the rpms down tho. -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com From flub at adelphia.net Sun Jul 21 11:49:43 2002 From: flub at adelphia.net (Bradley Flubacher) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:58 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] blowing oil References: <20020721002211.GA7831@cybershamanix.com> <20020721033922.GB8244@cybershamanix.com> Message-ID: <3D3ACA07.2050702@adelphia.net> Yes, In my opinion, you were definitely overdoing it. I never drive my westy diesel over 60. Usually it's a straight 55 MPH. There were two different gearings for them, so run it where your not stressing the engine. There's an oil baffle you can get that sits atop your cam. I put them in all my diesels. Certainly can't hurt. 25 MPH isn't too bad. I would expect worse if you had engine problems. A good test would be running it at a lower speed for awhile. I usually get around 30 MPG on the highway with mine.. Do a compression test if you can. Yes- make sure the breathers are all open well. Treat your engine very nice. I run Amsoil fuel additives (modifier and cetane boost) all the time. If you can get it, give it a shot! Brad Harmon Seaver wrote: > It's been suggested that (a) I'm driving too fast for a diesel westy, 60 >should be tops), and (b) that I check the valve cover oil breather for >clogging. But also that VW put out a oil breather kit for the westy that helped >some. Does anyone know of a source for supplemental oil breathers? > And I suppose slowing down would be a good idea. Also I'm thinking of putting >on some 15" Mercedes alloys with 215/65/15R tires on them that I've had on my >'73 westy, they worked great on that, but it had a lot more power than the >diesel. Should bring the rpms down tho. > > -- >Harmon Seaver >CyberShamanix >http://www.cybershamanix.com >_______________________________________________ >vwdiesel mailing list >vwdiesel@vwfans.com >http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/vwdiesel > > > From LBaird119 at aol.com Sun Jul 21 14:41:16 2002 From: LBaird119 at aol.com (LBaird119@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:58 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] blowing oil Message-ID: Most people tend to really baby the diesels so yours is likely no exception. There's probably a lot of carbon around the rings and top of the cylinder. I wouldn't have headed out to top rpm quit that suddenly as a ridge of carbon at the top of the stroke could break a top, compression ring. It doesn't sound like you did though. :) The engines are governed so you really won't over rev one but I wouldn't drive it flat out all the time either. I do make sure to rap it out on a semi regular basis though. It'll blow the carbon out of the exhaust, off the valves, out of the combustion chambers. You may have a nearly plugged screen on the valve cover or you may have a lot of carbon on the rings and they were almost sticking. Either one will get better with time when using the correct oil. Which I think everyone on this list does! :) The wrong oil will really leave a lot of carbon all over inside the engine. It takes a little time for the detergents in the right oil to clean it all out. The first, watery black may have been from condensation in the exhaust. Loren From teacher525 at juno.com Sun Jul 21 14:09:16 2002 From: teacher525 at juno.com (Milton Kaplan) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:58 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] blowing oil Message-ID: <20020721.130921.-838627.0.teacher525@juno.com> Hi Loren, What oil is Pop using in his turbo pickup? Intercooler installed? What kind of boost and EGT temperature is he seeing? Milton. > One will get better with time when using the correct oil. Which I > think > everyone on this list does! :) The wrong oil will really leave a > lot of > carbon all over inside the engine. It takes a little time for the > detergents > in the right oil to clean it all out. > The first, watery black may have been from condensation in the > exhaust. > Loren > _______________________________________________ > vwdiesel mailing list > vwdiesel@vwfans.com > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/vwdiesel ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From hseaver at cybershamanix.com Sun Jul 21 21:50:28 2002 From: hseaver at cybershamanix.com (Harmon Seaver) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:58 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] filters Message-ID: <20020722015028.GA3983@cybershamanix.com> I'm sure this has been discussed before, but can't remember the consensus and the famous oilfilterstudy page (which, BTW, is now at http://minimopar.net/oilfilterstudy.html ) still doesn't have VW, Mann, or other like filters on it. So what is the consensus on which oil filter to buy? And I hope nobody is using Fram. And where are the archives now anyway? No mention of them at www.vwfans.com. -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com From nwall at opei.org Mon Jul 22 10:09:14 2002 From: nwall at opei.org (Nate Wall) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:58 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] Re: [Audi-VW-Diesels] Theft deterrent for diesels References: <20020718194647.UEFC252.out020.verizon.net@[65.239.25.59]> Message-ID: <3D3C03FA.CF860312@opei.org> -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] That's what I have. Also put a switch in-line to the starter solenoid, but I never use this one. Whith gas prices the way they are now, our diesels may be more prone to theft. --Nate maded wrote: > I have always thought that our diesels had an easy anti theft option > in the > fuel cut-off solenoid. > > A hidden switch could be put into the line. Switch off, no go. > > > Ed Lowe, Seattle > 82 Westy diesel upgrading to 1.9td > 85 Golf diesel > 92 Cabrio > 97 Passat Tdi > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- From cvaf4u at rhinocat.com Mon Jul 22 08:08:29 2002 From: cvaf4u at rhinocat.com (Chance Vought) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:58 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] Power steering fluid? Message-ID: <20020722141136.E96A8257@www.audifans.com> The power steering resevoir calls out for ATF. I've read somewhere that VW later came out and said to use power steering fluid. What's the consensus on the list for my 85 NA? I want to replace the fluid, should I use a turkey baster to suck it out and replace what's in the resevoir? Chance 85 VW Golf 1.6 NA http://www.rhinocat.com/~cvaf4u From bfoust at ntws.net Tue Jul 23 20:33:29 2002 From: bfoust at ntws.net (Bryan Foust) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:58 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] My latest auction In-Reply-To: <20020722141136.E96A8257@www.audifans.com> Message-ID: Ok fellow clatterers, I've listed the second auciton to clean out my collection of diesel goodies. For those wanting a complete engine cheap, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1846183702&ssP ageName=ADME:B:LC:MT:1 My reserve has been set for $300. I would like to see a fellow list member take off with this one. I bought it from a list member here. Have fun Bryan From tobin.copley at ubc.ca Tue Jul 23 23:08:33 2002 From: tobin.copley at ubc.ca (Tobin Copley) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:58 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] 82 Vanagon D: oil light blinks on after hard braking In-Reply-To: <003d01c24782$cf0c3700$87654e40@suscom.net> Message-ID: <67098AE4-9EC3-11D6-B449-0003938E6706@ubc.ca> Hi all, quick question: I just drove my 1982 Vanagon diesel after it had been sitting for two years during which I replaced the main and connecting rod bearings. Drove it for about 15 minutes and two times after stomping the brakes to test them, the oil light blinked on. Blinked on only after *very* hard braking, and only for less than a second each time. What might be causing this? - oil sloshing forward in the pan causing temporary oil starvation? - an electrical short caused some connection or other shorting out as things shift forward? - My engine self-destructing? Oil light goes out within a second or so of start up. I haven't got the VDO oil pressure gauge I bought working yet, so can't report on oil pressure numbers. Any input / warnings / reassurances welcome. Thanks, T. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tobin Copley Bowen Island, BC, Canada 49deg 23'N-123deg 19'W '82 Westfalia 1.6L NA diesel ("Stinky") '97 son Russell ============= '99 daughter Margaret /_| |_L| |__|:| clatter SPEED KILLS! {. .| clatter! Drive a Vanagon diesel ~-()-==----()-~ From myjunkbox at rogers.com Thu Jul 25 18:37:34 2002 From: myjunkbox at rogers.com (myjunkbox@rogers.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:58 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] intercooler ?'s In-Reply-To: <80.1ea3e7bb.2a6a3767@aol.com> References: <80.1ea3e7bb.2a6a3767@aol.com> Message-ID: <20020725000015.1F18.MYJUNKBOX@rogers.com> > These weird strays always seem to find me. 8^) Must be related to me.... I've had 3 rabbits show up at my house in the past few weeks. Jay - with the backyard where rabbits migrate to die. -- myjunkbox@rogers.com From scameron at compmore.net Thu Jul 25 22:24:29 2002 From: scameron at compmore.net (Sandy Cameron) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:58 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] Daytime running lights Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.20020726042429.006750b0@mail.compmore.net> I'm working on a few things on a Canadian 1990 diesel Jetta that has the dread daytime running lights. There's nothing about this in the Bentley (because it's American), and I wonder if anyone has any info on how they did it, so I can undo it. There's obviously a relay somewhere, but not in the relay panel. They dont come on until the alternator is kicked up and producing juice, so the relay somehow senses the alternator producing juice, and then turns on the low beams only. the relay also hands back control of the lights to the dimmer switch if the normal light switch is turned on. A wiring diagram would be handy, if I knew where to find it. Anyone on the list have clues?? Sandy From REDHED44 at aol.com Thu Jul 25 23:01:35 2002 From: REDHED44 at aol.com (REDHED44) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:58 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] Meeting notice Message-ID: <20020726020135.54B15482@www.audifans.com> -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] ------------------ Virus Warning Message (on www.audifans.com) Found virus WORM_KLEZ.H in file marquee The file is deleted. --------------------------------------------------------- From hillsgrove at adelphia.net Fri Jul 26 00:22:17 2002 From: hillsgrove at adelphia.net (Lee Hillsgrove) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:58 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] Daytime running lights Message-ID: <007b01c23453$a6b4ec80$23263618@lee.bur.adelphia.net.> >I'm working on a few things on a Canadian 1990 diesel Jetta that has the >dread daytime running lights. Hmm.... All I can offer is that on my '98 Jetta TDI, there is a small yellow wire in the harness connector that plugs into the back of the headlight switch. It is, if I remember correctly, the only all-yellow wire there, and it is noticeably smaller in gauge than the rest of them. If it's connection to the switch is lost in some manner, the DRLs cease to work. Somehow a piece of Scotch tape found it's way over the male connector on the back of the headlight switch. :-)) VW tends to have a sort of continuity between years and models in many aspects, so perhaps the small yellow wire is what you're looking for. None of my A2s have DRLs, being US-spec. Lee Oo-v-oO PP-ASEL KB1GNI From weasel1 at sympatico.ca Fri Jul 26 02:42:09 2002 From: weasel1 at sympatico.ca (Weasel) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:58 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] Daytime running lights References: <007b01c23453$a6b4ec80$23263618@lee.bur.adelphia.net.> Message-ID: <000901c23467$2fc91ba0$3e72d1d8@derek> Odd as it is, it happened to me too. I found a piece of tape on the TFL pin ... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee Hillsgrove" To: Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 11:22 PM Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] Daytime running lights > > > >I'm working on a few things on a Canadian 1990 diesel Jetta that has the > >dread daytime running lights. > > > > > Hmm.... All I can offer is that on my '98 Jetta TDI, there is a small > yellow wire in the harness connector that plugs into the back of the > headlight switch. It is, if I remember correctly, the only all-yellow wire > there, and it is noticeably smaller in gauge than the rest of them. If it's > connection to the switch is lost in some manner, the DRLs cease to work. > Somehow a piece of Scotch tape found it's way over the male connector on the > back of the headlight switch. :-)) VW tends to have a sort of continuity > between years and models in many aspects, so perhaps the small yellow wire > is what you're looking for. None of my A2s have DRLs, being US-spec. > > Lee > Oo-v-oO > PP-ASEL > KB1GNI > > _______________________________________________ > vwdiesel mailing list > vwdiesel@vwfans.com > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/vwdiesel From gerry.wolfe at sympatico.ca Fri Jul 26 09:10:14 2002 From: gerry.wolfe at sympatico.ca (Gerry) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:58 2003 Subject: [Fwd: [Vwdiesel] Daytime running lights] Message-ID: <20020726121015.UCYV20107.tomts9-srv.bellnexxia.net@[209.226.175.22]> I have a Canadian '91 Jetta TD (German built), probably with the same DRL. There is a connector (single wire only) on the drivers side, at the master cylinder. Simply disconnect. This will remove the lowbeams from the DRL circuit i.e. only the parking lights will light up as DRLs unless the headlightlight switch is turned on. If you want, I can do a JPEG with digicam and e-mail to you personally if you need more info (my description is regrettably vague). rgds all, g. > > From: Sandy Cameron > Date: 2002/07/26 Fri AM 12:24:29 EDT > To: vwdiesel@vwfans.com > Subject: [Vwdiesel] Daytime running lights > > I'm working on a few things on a Canadian 1990 diesel Jetta that has the > dread daytime running lights. > > There's nothing about this in the Bentley (because it's American), and I wonder > if anyone has any info on how they did it, so I can undo it. > > There's obviously a relay somewhere, but not in the relay panel. They dont > come on until the alternator is kicked up and producing juice, so the relay > somehow senses the alternator producing juice, and then turns on the low > beams only. the relay also hands back control of the lights to the dimmer > switch if the normal light switch is turned on. > > A wiring diagram would be handy, if I knew where to find it. > > Anyone on the list have clues?? > > Sandy > > _______________________________________________ > vwdiesel mailing list > vwdiesel@vwfans.com > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/vwdiesel > From LBaird119 at aol.com Fri Jul 26 14:48:51 2002 From: LBaird119 at aol.com (LBaird119) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:58 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] W32.Klez.E removal tools Message-ID: <20020726174851.155A3489@www.audifans.com> -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] ------------------ Virus Warning Message (on www.audifans.com) Found virus WORM_KLEZ.H in file install.exe The file is deleted. --------------------------------------------------------- From roseland at ns.sympatico.ca Fri Jul 26 23:34:47 2002 From: roseland at ns.sympatico.ca (Brian or Pam Harrison) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:58 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] Re: Daytime running lights In-Reply-To: <20020726161413.941F9707@www.audifans.com> Message-ID: <3D41CE87.1782.DCF352@localhost> Hi Sandy; If you have the Bentley Manual VG92, Volkswagen GTI, Golf, Jetta 1985-1992 Service Manual, you can check pages 272 to 276 for the full current flow diagrams for the Canadian models with the Daytime Running Lights. That's one thing I have always liked about the Bentley manuals and that is that they include the details for things only available on Canadian models. > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 21:24:29 -0700 > To: vwdiesel@vwfans.com > From: Sandy Cameron > Subject: [Vwdiesel] Daytime running lights > > I'm working on a few things on a Canadian 1990 diesel Jetta that has the > dread daytime running lights. > > There's nothing about this in the Bentley (because it's American), and I wonder > if anyone has any info on how they did it, so I can undo it. > > There's obviously a relay somewhere, but not in the relay panel. They dont > come on until the alternator is kicked up and producing juice, so the relay > somehow senses the alternator producing juice, and then turns on the low > beams only. the relay also hands back control of the lights to the dimmer > switch if the normal light switch is turned on. > > A wiring diagram would be handy, if I knew where to find it. > > Anyone on the list have clues?? > > Sandy > **Automotive Books By Bentley Publishers** Roseland Technical Services mail> 231 Wright Road Stewiacke NS B0N 2J0 Canada email> roseland@ns.sympatico.ca website> www3.ns.sympatico.ca/roseland phone> 902-639-2777 Business Number> 12175 1788 RT0001 From gerry.wolfe at sympatico.ca Sun Jul 28 11:18:25 2002 From: gerry.wolfe at sympatico.ca (Gerry Wolfe) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:58 2003 Subject: Fwd: Re: [Fwd: [Vwdiesel] Daytime running lights] Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020728101305.00a021e0@pop1.sympatico.ca> I sent the .jpg to Sandy... sorry about the delay. The connector is really easy to spot. There is a bracket attached to the reservoir (correction: it's the round coollant reservoir, not the master cylinder... memory wasn't what it used to be), and a yellow wire that come out of a loom, into the connector, and back to the loom (sorta sounds like instructions on how to tie a bowline...). Just disconnect the male/female connector (connectus interruptus?) and leave it plugged into the bracket; I wrapped the other one around the bracket. The wires and the connector itself (rather large for what it has to accomplish) are all bright yellow. Actually, the whole setup looks like it's a kludged add-on. rgds, g >X-Sender: scameron@mail.compmore.net >X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) >Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 23:01:54 -0700 >To: Gerry >From: Sandy Cameron >Subject: Re: [Fwd: [Vwdiesel] Daytime running lights] > >At 08:10 AM 7/26/02 -0400, you wrote: > >I have a Canadian '91 Jetta TD (German built), probably with the same DRL. > > > >There is a connector (single wire only) on the drivers side, at the master >cylinder. Simply disconnect. This will remove the lowbeams from the DRL >circuit i.e. only the parking lights will light up as DRLs unless the >headlightlight switch is turned on. > > > >I had a look today and could not find a wire that did not have a definite >other purpose in that area. I may have to lift out the coolant reservoir to >see all the wiring. I think I have located the relay (behind the light >switch next to the instrument cluster, just dangling from the harness, in a >bit of that foam tube they use to group wires) I may dive for it and perform >a lobotomy, or even a defeat switch that would allow restoration when >persued by the volkspolice. > >What is the color code of the wire you mention. that might help me find it. > >Samdy From postmaster at vwfans.com Mon Jul 29 12:44:58 2002 From: postmaster at vwfans.com (postmaster) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:58 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] Returned mail--"Statement" Message-ID: <20020729154458.C2E13454@www.audifans.com> -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] ------------------ Virus Warning Message (on www.audifans.com) Found virus WORM_KLEZ.H in file HREF.pif The file is deleted. --------------------------------------------------------- From jonedgar3 at home.com Tue Jul 30 13:57:09 2002 From: jonedgar3 at home.com (jonedgar3) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:58 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] Cellspacing Message-ID: <20020730165709.E51793E9@www.audifans.com> -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] [ Converted text/html to text/plain ] From Karl.Nitz at motorola.com Wed Jul 31 17:29:34 2002 From: Karl.Nitz at motorola.com (Nitz Karl-GKN001) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:58 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] RE: [V6-12v] Re: Bulbs Message-ID: Looking at the site, I was more interested in the conversion kit for sealed beam headlights (I have an '81 VW Rabbit Pickup). The blue-tinted bulbs included with the kit are probably crap, but does anyone have experience with these sealed-beam to 9004 conversion kits? I certainly would like better light for my truck, and this seemed like an interesting possibility. <> Regards, Karl in Johnsburg, IL '92 Audi 100S, 125k miles '81 VW Rabbit Truck Diesel, 201k miles -----Original Message----- From: Sean Ford Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 3:57 PM Subject: RE: [V6-12v] Re: Bulbs Or for an even better system for less money, go to www.showparts.com. ShowParts.com has an 8000k HID system for under $500, not the $750 quoted at hids4less (note: these are prices for a 9004 system and only used as a reference). --- Mancubus wrote: > I agree, > With that said, an easy way to upgrade to a true Xenon set up would > be > to try one of these Plug and Play kits found here: > > www.hids4less.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: On Behalf Of Robert Myers > Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 5:56 PM > Subject: [V6-12v] Re: Bulbs > > Don't waste your time or money, Mike. These bulbs are simply for the > boy > racers to look "kewl". > > That said, all halogen bulbs with which I am familiar consist of a > glass > > element, a tungsten filament, a small amount of a halogen (either > iodine > or > bromine depending on the manufacturer) to scavenge vaporized > tungsten, > and > a charge of an inert gas, commonly Xenon. This is normal > construction. The bluish cast of the light from some of these "kewl" > bulbs > is simply a blue filter which absorbs some of the light from other > portions > of the spectrum in an effort to mimic the appearance of true HID > lights. This just reduces the overall light output of the bulb > concerned. > > If you want HID lights then get HID lights. Don't waste your effort > with > these "blue light specials". > > > At 05:00 PM 7/30/02, Michael Friesen wrote: > > >Quick question: has anyone tried the Xenon charged bulbs from Osram > >Sylvania (Silver Star) or Phillips (Blue Vision or Vision Plus) ? > > > >Thanks, > > > >Mike > >94 90S From LBaird119 at aol.com Wed Jul 31 22:02:54 2002 From: LBaird119 at aol.com (LBaird119@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:58 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] RE: [V6-12v] Re: Bulbs Message-ID: Gee, unless you get new lenses, which it doesn't look like you do with the conversions being bulb number interchangeable. What improvement do you really get? Certainly with the A2 bodies all you'd get is more, brighter light scattered all over the road and into oncoming driver's eyes. I'd be more inclined to go with a E-code conversion. You get a better dispersion lens, by FAR, than the DOT lenses and then you use the regular bulbs. All for about half the cost of the HID conversion. Loren From jhsg at sk.sympatico.ca Wed Jul 31 22:35:31 2002 From: jhsg at sk.sympatico.ca (James Hansen) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:02:58 2003 Subject: [Vwdiesel] RE: [V6-12v] Re: Bulbs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yeah, I put a scirocco conversion on the A2 years ago after breaking one of the useless lights and grill and hood on a deer, because I couldn't see it at night. Now I have 4 lights which total 400w on high, 60 on low, all regular halogen with hella lenses. Very advisable to do. It's BRIGHT now, but doesn't hurt oncoming eyes like the stock DOT lenses did at all with low wattage bulbs in even. Hesitate to just put brighter bulbs in any DOT housing, they aren't a very good pattern to start with. With Xenons, you get a VERY annoying light for the oncoming traffic unless they are adjusted PERFECTLY ALL THE TIME, even when you change loads in the car. Hazardous for oncoming traffic if they are blinded by your lights when you have a passenger in the back for a change, of a trunk load of groceries. Automatically adusting lights are almost a necessity. Halogens don't do this nearly as badly. The dichroic coatings on bulbs to tint the lights are crap for vision, and are for looks only. Please don't go this route. Leave them for the rice boys. -James > Gee, unless you get new lenses, which it doesn't look like you do with > the conversions being bulb number interchangeable. What improvement > do you really get? Certainly with the A2 bodies all you'd get is more, > brighter light scattered all over the road and into oncoming > driver's eyes. > I'd be more inclined to go with a E-code conversion. You get a better > dispersion lens, by FAR, than the DOT lenses and then you use the > regular bulbs. All for about half the cost of the HID conversion. > Loren --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.375 / Virus Database: 210 - Release Date: 7/10/2002