From iscass at shaw.ca  Thu Apr  1 01:01:47 2004
From: iscass at shaw.ca (cass)
Date: Thu Apr  1 01:01:47 2004
Subject: [Vwdiesel] Injection timing --(Hillbilly tuning 1980 to 86 Bosch )
References: <003001c41277$be2f5e00$1ced7240@svend>
	<406293F7.19435.EB37F91@localhost>
Message-ID: <05a201c417ae$807cafe0$0200a8c0@ccl475>

...
<snip>
But, I have a gut feeling that it is still too far retarded, even though I have advanced 
it twice since changing the belt. It just doesn't seem to start as well as it did before 
the belt change. If I could find a dial gauge for a decent price, I'd do it the proper 
way, but I'm still looking.

shawn, i am in vic/saanich..i have a (the) dial gadge.
if your ever in the area n wanna cheak it.hit me off list.
cassie.
From Libbybapa at wmconnect.com  Thu Apr  1 08:30:55 2004
From: Libbybapa at wmconnect.com (Libbybapa@wmconnect.com)
Date: Thu Apr  1 08:30:56 2004
Subject: [Vwdiesel] Injection timing --(Hillbilly tuning 1980 to 86 Bosch )
Message-ID: <161.2d5c74eb.2d9d7386@wmconnect.com>

I picked up a dial indicator and the magnetic stand from Harbor Freight Tools 
for $10 combined.  Although they sell a tremendous amount of absolutely 
terrible, low quality crap (I'm almost too embarassed to say that I bought it 
there), I checked it against a friend's high dollar mics and it was dead nuts on 
through the whole range.  I figured for that price it was worth a gamble.  They 
were both on sale at the time, but they regularly go on sale.  In order to use 
the magnetic base for injection pump timing, I find that I have to remove the 
lines (should loosen them to adjust anyway).  
Andrew
From natewall1 at yahoo.com  Thu Apr  1 09:40:04 2004
From: natewall1 at yahoo.com (Nate Wall)
Date: Thu Apr  1 09:40:06 2004
Subject: [Vwdiesel] Re: max fuel adjustment
In-Reply-To: <BAY1-DAV53ZolmRBaYF000156f5@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <20040401144001.1567.qmail@web80810.mail.yahoo.com>

A while back I call Bosch Technical Support and asked
specifically where I could get good hard numbers for
tolerances and performance measurements for specific
injection pump models. I was told that the information
is proprietary and only released to Bosch Authroized
Injection Puump Repair Facilities.

--Nate
--- "William A. Thompson" <twogreek@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> Hmmmm ...
> 
> >"Will Taygan" and "H.Hagar"  wrote in a Thread
> 
> First ... at the bottom was ...
> >I'm going pick up a copy of the bosch ve yellow
> book to see if I can internalize this.
> >Ummmm   good idea.
> 
> 
> I just received the new edition of the Bosch Book on
> our injection pumps from Bentley the other day. The
> old one was out of print when I ordered it months
> ago ... and they just put out a new version. Will
> ... come look at it if you want to ... it is pretty
> good in explaining the theory .. but lacks on
> specifications ... can't take measurement specs from
> the book ... as in it doesn't have 'em ... to
> determine if anything is out of tolerance. No
> measurements, volumes or pressures given except in a
> general sense. I think they might call that
> "proprietary information"? .. ... ... or "effective
> stealorship market positioning?" ... or the .. "bend
> over" position ???!!!
> It does seem to cover the theory of all pumps in the
> VW line. I only have the NAs so I can't begin to
> evaluate it's treatment of the turbo/newer pumps. I
> am still ingesting and reflecting on the theory ...
> really haven't had enough re-reading and
> re-reflection time to best conceptualize it as yet
> ... but I plod on.
> Does anybody know if the old Bosch VE book gave
> specs to evaluate the condition of the pump? How
> about internal adjustments/replacements for springs
> and such? They indicate that the internal parts are
> not interchangeable ... is such the case in the real
> world as to cannibalism? Any insight as to what a
> good authorized rebuilder can actually do?
> 
> 
> >Ummmm...
> >Is this right?
> >Top of pump (screws connected to accelerator)
> controls the amount of
> >fuel injected, thereby controlling idle and max
> rpm.
> >Ummmm     not really.
> 
> I agree Hagar ... to the extent that I see the
> statement as correct as far as it goes ... but
> possibly misleading without context. All these
> adjustments affect the others and ... depending on
> how you look at it .. and the point in the process
> of adjustment that is being discussed .. the
> statement itself can't be judged without the context
> that is understood by the time this statement can be
> made and be valid.
> By the time one gets to the point of final
> adjustment ... while making the top screw
> adjustments one could look at it this way in a sense
> ... and be effecting a fine tuning of low and max
> rpm as the final adjustments in the process.
> 
> 
> >Side of pump controls max fuel given at a
> particular degree (of the top of pump accelerator
> control), in
> >essence giving more fuel for the idle, more fuel
> for the mid range and more fuel for max at a given
> rpm,
> >(raising the scale).
> >Ummmm   not really.
> 
> Again I agree/disagree with the statement depending
> on the context. All the adjustments affect one
> another and all ... within the scope of their
> function/influence ... control the volume of fuel
> delivery for each gulp of fuel within the scope of
> their influence.
> So far my take on it is that ...
> To make the concept of the statements be more
> descriptive of what is going on ... isn't it more
> like ... load creates demand which the pump responds
> to by supplying more fuel. The full load screw on
> the side is adjusted for how much fuel is being
> dumped in according to load demand thru the rpm
> range ... while the top screws are then used to
> limit the rpm range by limiting fuel volume at their
> "end of the scale" point of influence.
> 
> It was kinda funny how my head got a little dizzy as
> I had to make the effort to change perspective while
> reading with tri-focals ... from carburetors and how
> they mostly use vacume to respond to load then use
> centrifugal force to respond to rpm ... and
> injection pumps using centrifugal force balanced
> against springs to respond to load then use pressure
> within the pump to respond to rpm. Likewise all of
> these adjustments end up being influenced by all the
> others ... and all are responding ultimately to
> load.
> But it seems that ... at it's most basic description
> ... the full load screw on the side adjusts the
> volume of fuel delivered thru the rpm range and the
> two top screws then adjust the limits of the rpm
> range.
> 
> >PS:   My version on the way.
> 
> Yes ... Reality check appreciated ... please Hagar
> ... you other wizards too ... 
> 
> Bill
> Sedro Woolley, Washington.
> _______________________________________________
> Vwdiesel mailing list
> Vwdiesel@vwfans.com
> http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/vwdiesel


__________________________________
Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway 
http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/
From h_hagar at prcn.org  Thu Apr  1 10:35:28 2004
From: h_hagar at prcn.org (H.Hagar)
Date: Thu Apr  1 10:35:30 2004
Subject: [Vwdiesel] Fw: max fuel adjustment  --(things are a cooking )
Message-ID: <000b01c417fe$db253fc0$88ed7240@svend>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: H.Hagar 
To: vwdiesel@vwfans.com 
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 7:29 AM
Subject: max fuel adjustment --(things are a cooking )


I am delighted to see some of you take an interest in the workings
of   " Da Pump " ----   lets face it changing wheel bearings and 
brakeshoes --- is ok --but ---mastering the pump is like getting your
Wings.

So the more of us dig in to it --the faster we will tame the little cutie.
--  Taming the Shrew ?    

I just received the new edition of the Bosch Book on our injection pumps from Bentley   -- W.A.Thomson wrote. --- -- if it is Bosch Diesel Engine Management
it is a great book.   I am looking for the old one too.

I see a lot of you are beginning to understand that many different adjustments
interact.  ---- Hence the beauty of the performance tuned Rabbit.

A  " BOOK"  tuned 1980 Rabbit will loose to a Performance tuned (Hillbilly)
every time.

Like Gary Orlando  mentioned the factory settings for many reasons , makes for
a slow Rabbit.

Only one thing controls the amount of fuel injected each stroke --- the position
of the control sleeve ---there are no needle valves or the like.

We have but one piston , and the stroke is fixed  at about 85 thou (inch).
So to inject less fuel we have to spill the excess fuel back in to main body of pump.
This is done by a holow center in the piston A small hole is covered by the sleeve.
So for minimum fuel hole is not covered----for maximum the hole is covered.

So who or what pushes the controlsleeve back and forth ???    stay tuned 
it is getting interesting.

Hagar.
From dieselwesty at yahoo.com  Thu Apr  1 13:07:54 2004
From: dieselwesty at yahoo.com (82 Diesel Westy)
Date: Thu Apr  1 13:07:56 2004
Subject: [Vwdiesel] New oil standards for TDI PD motor, VW 505.01
In-Reply-To: <20040331134701.51501.qmail@web80807.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20040401180750.63972.qmail@web42004.mail.yahoo.com>

Thanks all, I think we can put the 505.01 oil thread
to bed.  I like the oil extractor and figured that pan
cover needed to be removed to change oil.  I just got
whopped $52 for 5 qts of Castrol 505.01 and a filter.
I will order a case of MANN filters and get the oil
from Hayden's lead.

Thanks all.

Bryan Belman


--- Nate Wall <natewall1@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I got the Castrol 505.01 at the dealer. Its special
> VW
> 505.01 for the 04 Pumpe Deuce motors. They sell
> another Castrol diesel oil used in the 03 and
> earlier
> TDIs (505.00 spec, I think). I hear alot of the 04s
> are mistakenly getting the 505.00 oil. Change it
> yourself to be sure!
> 
> The 04 PD gets its first oil change at 5000 miles,
> the
> second at 10,000 miles and every 10,000 miles
> thereafter. Like always, the filter is changed too.
> BTW, its the same filter as used in the 03 and
> earlier
> A-4 TDIs. I get the filters locally (MANN) for about
> $8 each.
> 
> --Nate
> 
> --- 82 Diesel Westy <dieselwesty@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > OK, I need to do the first oil change on my new
> > Jetta
> > Wagon.  I am having no luck finding this standard
> of
> > oil in US.  Castrol and Havoline make it according
> > to
> > their web sites but 2 auto parts places I deal
> with
> > can not find it at their suppliers.
> > 
> > Any idea where I can get Castrol GTD 505 01 SAE
> > 5W-40
> > or the Havoline equivalent?
> > 
> > >From the list reads I am doing, I don't want to
> use
> > anything else, pure synthetic, but looks like I
> only
> > need to change every 10K, VW says 5K?
> > Of course I can buy it at the VW parts counter
> > because
> > they are importing it from Europe.
> > 
> > Texas TDI?  any idea's
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > =====
> > Bryan Belman, Pt Pleasant, NJ
> > 04 Jetta Wagon TDI PD, 100hp, 5sp
> > 82 Westfalia Diesel, 1.9L NA hybrid, under body
> > restoration & engine re-work
> > 90 Audi 200, 2.2L Turbo FWD
> > 70 Type 1 Beetle
> > 
> > __________________________________
> > Do you Yahoo!?
> > Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on
> > time.
> > http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html
> > _______________________________________________
> > Vwdiesel mailing list
> > Vwdiesel@vwfans.com
> > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/vwdiesel
> 
> 
> __________________________________
> Do you Yahoo!?
> Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on
> time.
> http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html


__________________________________
Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway 
http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/
From mark at shepher.fsnet.co.uk  Thu Apr  1 13:23:54 2004
From: mark at shepher.fsnet.co.uk (Mark Shepherd)
Date: Thu Apr  1 13:23:55 2004
Subject: [Vwdiesel] pump effects...
Message-ID: <18271854.1080843831845.JavaMail.www@wwinf3002>

Further to my comments of yesterday... 

When I set about timing my Quantum 1.6TD to the 1.0mm that Loren,Nate Gary etc all told me was the 'secret' figure I was trying to get from stealerships here in the UK a few years back THANKS GUYS :oD... This is what I found... 
My Quantum was giving me between 35- 45mpg (4.54litres) 
Initial settings were pump set at 0.88mm 
Cam when locked was wrong giving a crank advance of about 1/2" on the flywheel or 1 &1/2 teeth or about 4 deg. 
Whilst farting about with my dial gauge I found (like Hagar says) piston thrust to be 90 thou....or 2.286 mm 
New fuel economy became 41.5 to 56mpg (4.54litres) or a 20+% improvement.. :o)

Interestingly (To me anyway) I found that the piston thrusts at an initial 2 thou per flywheel tooth peaking to 5 thou per tooth [percieved rotation of flywheel]... which gives an idea of spread of injection (static timing).
 
According to Rogers archives... 
Full load piston squirt is 0.0345 cm ^3 or 34.5 mm^3 
Bore of fuel line is2.25mm dia by 340mm long... or carries 430 CUBIC mm !! 
Hence each new squirt passes7.9% down the bore..or 12.6 squirts to reach the injector ...amazing or what!!! 
So at a guess I'd say DONT BORE DA BORE  eh? ;o) 
How about putting copper wire strands down to reduce bore to counteract compressability of the fuel? 

Mark(The Miser)UK "There's nothing like driving past a bonfire and then realising it's your car thats smokin' " 

======================================== 
Message date : Apr 01 2004, 01:25 AM 
>From : "Will Taygan" 
To : mark@shepher.fsnet.co.uk 
Copy to : 
Subject : RE: [Vwdiesel] pump effects... 
Thanks Mark. 

-Will Taygan 

> -------- Original Message -------- 
> Subject: [Vwdiesel] pump effects... 
> From: "Mark Shepherd" 
> Date: Wed, March 31, 2004 4:17 pm 
> To: "vwdiesel" 
> 
> This is my limited view and may or may not reflect that of the experts 
> The piston in the pump always pumps the maximum fuel...BUT... there is 
> a sleeve that fits outside/around the 'compression chamber' in front of 
> the piston. This piston has a hole down its middle that allows the 
> compressed fuel to squirt back and it is directed to each fuel line in 
> turn via oneway valves at the start of each line. The sleeve covers a 
> further hole in the piston that allows spillage of fuel back into the 
> body of the pump. The point at which this spillage occurs depends on 
> the position of the sleeve. 
> The position of the sleeve is determined by several springs or links to 
> springs pulling on it... 
> 1) The accelerator arm... 
> 2) The max fuel screw... 
> 3) The centrifugal weights that are rpm relatedand also advance timing 
> like the gas engine distributer... 
> 4) (for the TD) the boost pressure from the turbo [which is 
> predominantly engine loading and available exhaust heat] +exhaust 
> flowrate to some extent also...A kind of positive feedback the rate of 
> effect being controlled by the taper of the cone in the aneroid spring 
> tension,and initial position. 
> 5) The Cold start lever I believe only advances the fuel timing and its 
> effect minimises as speed picks up... 
> Well thats my view... 
> Mark (The Miser) UK 
> "There's nothing like driving past someones bonfire and realising that 
> its your car thats smokin' " 
> Freeserve AnyTime - HALF PRICE for the first 3 months - Save ?7.50 a 
> month 
> www.freeserve.com/anytime 
> _______________________________________________ 
> Vwdiesel mailing list 
> Vwdiesel@vwfans.com 
> http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/vwdiesel
Freeserve AnyTime - HALF PRICE for the first 3 months - Save ?7.50 a month 
www.freeserve.com/anytime
From h_hagar at prcn.org  Thu Apr  1 19:26:26 2004
From: h_hagar at prcn.org (H.Hagar)
Date: Thu Apr  1 19:26:27 2004
Subject: [Vwdiesel] Rabbit droppings  # 58 ---- ( Da results )
Message-ID: <000c01c41849$035fb660$4aed7240@svend>

All that fiddling and farting around ???  --- was it worth it ???.

Bet your sweet ass. ------   Aprils fool ???? could be.

But the weather here on the coast , never was more perfect on a April
fools day that I can remember.

So I took the 1984 Rabbit 1.6L Turbo out for a joyride.   What a cutie.
For some reason the Turbo put out 6 PSIG ---- I defy anybody to listen to
her , and tell me that she is not a happy Bunny. She is not going to have a "Melt Down"
any time soon.

So I guess I can say that I got the bottle out --and she is doing 100 miles
to the gallon.      Opec Smopec kiss my butt.

The 239 million was not mine --- but that's ok.    So maybe I shall get
a few Danish panels ---and get rid of the BONDO.

To think that I got her as "JUNK"  a  parts donor   ---WOW. For parts only
it say on receipt.    So Jeff Rakus   get that thing of yours while it is still
there. Any 1980 or better Rabbit is worth  500 dollars Canadian just in parts.
Yes I changed VIN  number. ( for free )

Still have not replaced burned out blockheater ----- this morning was frosty
she started like "bump". -- never heard the starter work.

How sweet she is.

Hagar.
From Libbybapa at wmconnect.com  Fri Apr  2 09:29:22 2004
From: Libbybapa at wmconnect.com (Libbybapa@wmconnect.com)
Date: Fri Apr  2 09:29:22 2004
Subject: [Vwdiesel] RE: injection pump reseal parts
Message-ID: <1aa.2203f0be.2d9ed2bd@wmconnect.com>

I recently drove my wife's '86 diesel jetta and caught the smell of diesel 
fuel.  I stopped and popped the hood to find that the pump was leaking from by 
the fuel distributor housing.  I thought "no problem" I had a pump that came 
from a '92 motor I had purchased and had been planning on putting the pump on 
the '86, but hadn't gotten around to it.  After I installed the pump, in short 
order, it started leaking from almost every place (except the pulley seal).  I 
thought a bit, and then some more, and then removed the return line and tried 
blowing through it.  Sure enough, blocked.  There was a bit of crud at the 
fuel tank end.  It was an easy fix.  I then purchased a used pump from a friend, 
installed, and the car runs better than ever.  BUT, I now have two otherwise 
functional leaky injection pumps.  Does anyone know of a good source for a 
reseal kit or the individual o-rings for Da Pump?
From h_hagar at prcn.org  Fri Apr  2 09:50:47 2004
From: h_hagar at prcn.org (H.Hagar)
Date: Fri Apr  2 09:50:48 2004
Subject: [Vwdiesel] injection pump reseal parts  ---( are available )
Message-ID: <000c01c418c1$c4248920$27ed7240@svend>

Parts for  Da Pump ---- yes easy to get.  By mail.       Where are you at ?

I got bushings seals for shaft   . New O rings and your pumps are likely
going to stop leaking.

Here on the west coast --- many repair shops will sell parts.

Hagar.

PS:   Hope you have access to an impact screwdriver.   wonder ???
Do they use locktite at BOSCH ?
From Libbybapa at wmconnect.com  Fri Apr  2 09:57:09 2004
From: Libbybapa at wmconnect.com (Libbybapa@wmconnect.com)
Date: Fri Apr  2 09:57:10 2004
Subject: [Vwdiesel] injection pump reseal parts  ---( are available )
Message-ID: <bf.3dd1fa53.2d9ed93a@wmconnect.com>

I am located in Flagstaff, AZ.  
Andrew
From Libbybapa at wmconnect.com  Fri Apr  2 09:59:09 2004
From: Libbybapa at wmconnect.com (Libbybapa@wmconnect.com)
Date: Fri Apr  2 09:59:10 2004
Subject: [Vwdiesel] injection pump reseal parts  ---( are available )
Message-ID: <1e2.1cd7ce13.2d9ed9b2@wmconnect.com>

Flagstaff has nice views and great weather, but a serious lack of available 
vw parts.  Thank goodness for the internet.
Andrew
From h_hagar at prcn.org  Fri Apr  2 10:54:58 2004
From: h_hagar at prcn.org (H.Hagar)
Date: Fri Apr  2 10:54:59 2004
Subject: [Vwdiesel] pump effects...   ---(  The Shepherds pye  magic )
Message-ID: <000c01c418ca$bed97800$8bed7240@svend>

Mark Shepherd I am happy I have to deal with this one on "Fools Day"

How about putting copper wire strands down to reduce bore to counteract compressability of the fuel? 

Platinum wires work best ,  they have to be cut to an exact dipole length. They
will then increase cetane by 5 numbers.

Remember the shockwave travels faster in Platinum than in Fuel.

On to your idea of using  Ajax Comet and the likes for a lapping compound ??.

Yes it works.   But due to the chlorine I do not use it.  The issue was the taper
on the cam sprocket.  If I install a sprocket from a different shaft . I use clover leaf
green can. Fine valve grinding stuff.     On finer work, yellow timesaver is the ticket.

And 45 foot pounds torque is safe on shaft bolt.   Now if Val Christian is right ? 
that sprocket must be able to turn for safety reasons----we are screwing things up.

Way to go Mark.


Hagar.
From LBaird119 at aol.com  Fri Apr  2 11:31:52 2004
From: LBaird119 at aol.com (LBaird119@aol.com)
Date: Fri Apr  2 11:31:53 2004
Subject: [Vwdiesel] injection pump reseal parts  ---( are available )
Message-ID: <6a.3d9e0b82.2d9eef6d@aol.com>



> Flagstaff has nice views and great weather, but a serious lack of available 
> 
> vw parts.  Thank goodness for the internet.
> 

I had that happen in Idaho.  Got the pan punched on the Quattro so I needed 
to pull it and pound it back out.  Never saw such laughter as when I 
asked for a pan gasket for an Audi.  Sheesh!
     Loren
From CCarnoha at itd.state.id.us  Fri Apr  2 11:41:33 2004
From: CCarnoha at itd.state.id.us (Chuck Carnohan)
Date: Fri Apr  2 11:41:35 2004
Subject: [Vwdiesel] injection pump reseal parts  ---( are available )
Message-ID: <1AA7FA919E0CF74DA0E02A4507D1B305808663@ITDEVS01.itd.state.id.us>

Now Loren, Here in Idaho we refer to that as the great challenge of VW
ownership!  I guess the real question that begs asking is; Why did you
run over that big 'ol rock in the first place???  It is amazing to go
through a winter without a cracked windshield!  Needless to say, one
doesn't see many "low riders" in Idaho!

Chuck

-----Original Message-----
From: LBaird119@aol.com [mailto:LBaird119@aol.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 9:32 AM
To: vwdiesel@vwfans.com
Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] injection pump reseal parts ---( are available )




> Flagstaff has nice views and great weather, but a serious lack of 
> available
> 
> vw parts.  Thank goodness for the internet.
> 

I had that happen in Idaho.  Got the pan punched on the Quattro so I
needed 
to pull it and pound it back out.  Never saw such laughter as when I 
asked for a pan gasket for an Audi.  Sheesh!
     Loren
_______________________________________________
Vwdiesel mailing list
Vwdiesel@vwfans.com http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/vwdiesel
From LBaird119 at aol.com  Fri Apr  2 12:05:03 2004
From: LBaird119 at aol.com (LBaird119@aol.com)
Date: Fri Apr  2 12:05:04 2004
Subject: [Vwdiesel] injection pump reseal parts  ---( are available )
Message-ID: <1d4.1e060796.2d9ef72d@aol.com>

We were on some back road, going to a cave outside of American Falls.  
Can't remember the name of it now.  It was spring and someone had gone 
through when it was muddy so we were straddling the ruts.  Came over 
a bump and whump!  It didn't look rocky but there was a rock in it.  :(
  The scarey part was the oil light started coming on a mile or so later 
(on the way back).  It turned out to be the smashed, plastic baffle 
plugging the pickup screen.
  4K Q's are pretty low for a 4wd car.  : P  We experienced similar 
laughter when I had to do something to it in KS as well.
     Loren
From dieselwesty at yahoo.com  Fri Apr  2 14:03:07 2004
From: dieselwesty at yahoo.com (82 Diesel Westy)
Date: Fri Apr  2 14:03:08 2004
Subject: [Vwdiesel] injection pump reseal parts  ---( are available )
In-Reply-To: <6a.3d9e0b82.2d9eef6d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20040402190305.59364.qmail@web42006.mail.yahoo.com>

I have noticed that as well in my work travel around
the US.

I have traveled enough to know the I see the MOST
VW's, both old and new, in the North East corner of
USA, it seems to me.

Many in the North West and Southern CA I bet, but not
much in-between.

I was working in TX for about 3 months and could count
the number of VW I saw on 2 hands.  I was floored to
see a silver beat-up vanagon on day near Round Rock,
TX.



=====
Bryan Belman, Pt Pleasant, NJ
04 Jetta Wagon TDI PD, 100hp, 5sp
82 Westfalia Diesel, 1.9L NA hybrid, under body restoration & engine re-work
90 Audi 200, 2.2L Turbo FWD
70 Type 1 Beetle

__________________________________
Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway 
http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/
From h_hagar at prcn.org  Fri Apr  2 14:42:17 2004
From: h_hagar at prcn.org (H.Hagar)
Date: Fri Apr  2 14:42:18 2004
Subject: [Vwdiesel] Flagstaff parts. ?.
Message-ID: <000a01c418ea$806c1f80$17ed7240@svend>

Welcome to Southwest Diesel & Electric Corporation
... WE INSTALL WHAT WE SELL. 1830 N. 27TH AVENUE PHOENIX, AZ 85009 (800) 658-5806
(602) 269-2471 FAX (602) 233-1017 E-MAIL: info@swdiesel.com. ... Fuel Injection, ... 
http://www.southwestdiesel.com/ - Cached


Been to flagstaff      -----   had a friend there --- aircraft mechanic type.

Hagar.

PS: toll free number.
From Libbybapa at wmconnect.com  Fri Apr  2 22:29:38 2004
From: Libbybapa at wmconnect.com (Libbybapa@wmconnect.com)
Date: Fri Apr  2 22:29:39 2004
Subject: [Vwdiesel] Flagstaff parts. ?.
Message-ID: <12a.3e49229d.2d9f8993@wmconnect.com>

I've dealt slightly with Southwest Diesel- it's still mail order or a four 
hour round trip.  Also "never trust anyone below 6000 ft.  I talked to a fellow 
there about my resealing the pump.  He actually laughed out loud and said that 
I would "never be able to get it back together."  There are quite a few parts 
in there, but it's not as complex machine as what it is attached to.  They 
also charged me $15 plus shipping for a pulley shaft seal, that may be 
reasonable, but it seemed a little steep.  I'd love to see what it is like dealing with 
their competition.  Any other names?  I don't mind mail order, as I'm 
resigned to that anyway.  Shipping from Phoenix is not that different from shipping 
from Cal or Maine for that matter.  Was the fellow you knew named Roy?  Just a 
guess.  I was wondering if there was a reseal kit available or if I need to 
buy each o-ring individually.  Thanks, Andrew.
From LBaird119 at aol.com  Sat Apr  3 02:05:22 2004
From: LBaird119 at aol.com (LBaird119@aol.com)
Date: Sat Apr  3 02:05:24 2004
Subject: [Vwdiesel] Flagstaff parts. ?.
Message-ID: <194.26b91b61.2d9fbc25@aol.com>



> I was wondering if there was a reseal kit available or if I need to 
> buy each o-ring individually.  Thanks, Andrew.
> 

  There are indeed kits available.  I saw what was left of the one Jake 
picked up.  He got his from Seattle injector.  Heck dieselparts.com 
might even have stuff.  Not sure if they do for Bosch but I got a couple 
seals for my 6.2's pump from them.  Cheap and easy to deal with.
  The kit Jake had even had a NICE, detailed, exploded diagram and 
part list so you knew where to put all the o-rings.
     Loren
From jhsg at sasktel.net  Sat Apr  3 02:34:21 2004
From: jhsg at sasktel.net (James Hansen)
Date: Sat Apr  3 02:34:21 2004
Subject: [Vwdiesel] VW's parts availability
Message-ID: <JDELIOONCIECDNKCCMIOCEALEEAA.jhsg@sasktel.net>

So here's a cute one I thought I'd share.

Finally, I get around to pulling the intake off the 97 Passat to clean it
and to inspect the EGR valve as it seems to be leaking.  Sure enough, the
hole to atmosphere so the diaphragm can move is slobbering foul goo, and is
probably the source of the foul diesel smoke odor we've been smelling inside
the car on cold starts. (There was a hood sealing foam gasket missing) Fine,
the EGR is permanently crimped, so over the shoulder it goes, and go bleed
for a new manifold.  No biggie, other than the cost *coff*, $508 CDN at my
"dealer wholesale" price level.  Hmm... well, we're keeping the car till the
wheels fall off anyway, so what the hell, sez I, and call up the friendly
neighborhood dealer, (only a leisurely 8 hour drive away).  Great, order it,
plus a couple sundry trinkets I've been putting off, and am told, Oh, that
has to come from Tronna, so it's 5 days minimum, they won't air freight out
of the Tronna depot any more.  Okay, the car is on jackstands in the shop,
IN FRONT of my stock car, which I'm rather set on painting and getting ready
for the season, so that's two full spots in a two spot shop, and the dead
horse is at the front with the engine open. great. No pushing that outside.
So, tinker for a couple days, do other stuff, not that that's ever lacking.
Call dealer back today looking for parts, eight working days from the
original order date, and told that the backorder will be RELEASED on that
part on Apr 20, which would mean another 5 day shipping wait after that
even.  So what, are they waiting for the boy scouts to send their recycled
aluminum foil in to cast another manifold? Sheesh!

So, clean this one up, it has to go back on, five hours of scratching,
digging, spraying, passing out from solvent, etc... Man was it ever plugged.
I easily took two cups black goo out of there.  Anyone that thinks EGR is
good on a diesel was dropped as a child.  So with things clean, I evaluate
the egr, man it's leaking BAD. It's leaking a steady stream of solvent from
just the parts washer solvent flow directed at the inside of the plunger
shaft bushing, almost no pressure at all.  So, drill and tap the EGR
pressure equalization/exhaust/sludge drain hole to 1/8" fine pipe thread,
and put in a hose barb, so I can vent the sucker out the bottom of the car.
Not that the thing is going to admit much carbon from now on anyway...
Cleaned the intercooler too, and with the new 2-1/2" exhaust pipe with one
flowmaster muffler at the rear it should REALLY sing now. Next stage,
injectors and a chip...

So, what kind of shitty parts supply is this?  First time I have ever run
across this bad a service from ANY parts seller, and there are no other
manifolds available from the other suspects I know and deal with either.
Man, GMC dealer can get me an obscure early corvette cast iron performance
exhaust manifold here next day service, and the volks dealer can't supply an
obviously consumable part. Go figure. Heck, the John Deere dealer got me a
release bearing for a clutch on a 1937 John Deere BR in ONE week a number of
years yeara ago.

Oh, and consumer's reports really rated the new volks stuff poor too, mostly
over the 1.8T coil issue.  Boys in the fatherland better wise up, or go back
to making 411's, and 412's.
-James


---
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.647 / Virus Database: 414 - Release Date: 03/29/2004


From Libbybapa at wmconnect.com  Sat Apr  3 09:28:42 2004
From: Libbybapa at wmconnect.com (Libbybapa@wmconnect.com)
Date: Sat Apr  3 09:28:43 2004
Subject: [Vwdiesel] Oil cooler on N/A diesel
Message-ID: <1d1.1d91b347.2da02415@wmconnect.com>

I have an '86 jetta na diesel.  It does not have the oil cooler mounted above 
filter.  Is there any issue with adding one on?  Also, on the same car I have 
noticed that the water temp gauge reads significantly higher (sometimes 
almost redline- light never goes on)  with running lights or headlights are on.  It 
seems unaffected when any other accessories are on.  I attribute that to an 
electrical problem, but it seems that the heater blows hotter air also (I might 
be imagining it).  Any recommends?  Drive without my headlights or running 
lights on?  Thanks, Andrew.

From h_hagar at prcn.org  Sat Apr  3 10:38:08 2004
From: h_hagar at prcn.org (H.Hagar)
Date: Sat Apr  3 10:38:10 2004
Subject: [Vwdiesel] Flagstaff parts. ?.  
Message-ID: <000c01c41991$8bdec000$1fed7240@svend>

Was the fellow you knew named Roy?   (No   Dave Ateah.)

 He actually laughed out loud and said that 
I would "never be able to get it back together."  There are quite a few parts 
in there, but it's not as complex machine as what it is attached to.  

It is a tricky little devil -----lots of springs rollers gears cams pins --- so take one
of your pumps apart only. (the worst one).

NO need to take apart for a seal change.      On the cold start shaft are two
"O" rings --- get shaft and seal as an assembly ( dirt cheap).

The cold shaft seal is the most important one ---it will empty pump (at bottom)
and give starting problems. The pump will have to be primed for every start , if
leak is bad.

Here is a list of some of the "O" rings .   Fueling screw  one each.  Fuel Regulator
two each .  Cold start shaft  two each.   Throttle arm  one each.  Distributor
one each (biggie)     Top cover one each  (fits in groove in lid.)

Now I twigged on to you saying a "BLOCKED"  drain ?  ---that could make even a
brand new pump leak.      That is similar to blocking "Orifice" in outlet banjo.

Internal pump pressure should not be let go higher than say 150 psi.

I do not know for sure if fuel regulator will bypass enough fuel to keep
the pressure safe. But  next month I will know  (testing it on engine in front)

The only difficult seal to change is the sprocket shaft seal. If it is in there
real tight (like one of mine)  it is PIA PIA PIA and more. It can be done.

For instruction on how to change top lid seal without totally removing lid ,
stand - by (stay tuned )   pun intended.

Hagar.
From LBaird119 at aol.com  Sat Apr  3 10:54:05 2004
From: LBaird119 at aol.com (LBaird119@aol.com)
Date: Sat Apr  3 10:54:06 2004
Subject: [Vwdiesel] Oil cooler on N/A diesel
Message-ID: <d5.9229c0d.2da03811@aol.com>

  You can add the oil cooler/warmer but there are a couple of fairly spendy 
(not compared to James' manifold) 3-way hoses that go with it.  I'd check 
the major grounds; battery to engine, to body, alt to engine and so forth as 
well as the multi ground (should be one I think) in around the instrument 
cluster.  Does the fuel gauge do the same or similar?  It might be the 
"Voltage stabilizer".  It's a 3 prong 10V regulator, plugged into the circuit 

board on the back of the instrument cluster.
     Loren
From natewall1 at yahoo.com  Sat Apr  3 11:07:53 2004
From: natewall1 at yahoo.com (Nate Wall)
Date: Sat Apr  3 11:07:55 2004
Subject: [Vwdiesel] VW's parts availability
In-Reply-To: <JDELIOONCIECDNKCCMIOCEALEEAA.jhsg@sasktel.net>
Message-ID: <20040403160750.95118.qmail@web80802.mail.yahoo.com>

Anyone see the recent VW sales figues lately? They are
not doing well at all. Customer satisfaction is way
down.

--Nate
--- James Hansen <jhsg@sasktel.net> wrote:
> So here's a cute one I thought I'd share.
> 
> Finally, I get around to pulling the intake off the
> 97 Passat to clean it
> and to inspect the EGR valve as it seems to be
> leaking.  Sure enough, the
> hole to atmosphere so the diaphragm can move is
> slobbering foul goo, and is
> probably the source of the foul diesel smoke odor
> we've been smelling inside
> the car on cold starts. (There was a hood sealing
> foam gasket missing) Fine,
> the EGR is permanently crimped, so over the shoulder
> it goes, and go bleed
> for a new manifold.  No biggie, other than the cost
> *coff*, $508 CDN at my
> "dealer wholesale" price level.  Hmm... well, we're
> keeping the car till the
> wheels fall off anyway, so what the hell, sez I, and
> call up the friendly
> neighborhood dealer, (only a leisurely 8 hour drive
> away).  Great, order it,
> plus a couple sundry trinkets I've been putting off,
> and am told, Oh, that
> has to come from Tronna, so it's 5 days minimum,
> they won't air freight out
> of the Tronna depot any more.  Okay, the car is on
> jackstands in the shop,
> IN FRONT of my stock car, which I'm rather set on
> painting and getting ready
> for the season, so that's two full spots in a two
> spot shop, and the dead
> horse is at the front with the engine open. great.
> No pushing that outside.
> So, tinker for a couple days, do other stuff, not
> that that's ever lacking.
> Call dealer back today looking for parts, eight
> working days from the
> original order date, and told that the backorder
> will be RELEASED on that
> part on Apr 20, which would mean another 5 day
> shipping wait after that
> even.  So what, are they waiting for the boy scouts
> to send their recycled
> aluminum foil in to cast another manifold? Sheesh!
> 
> So, clean this one up, it has to go back on, five
> hours of scratching,
> digging, spraying, passing out from solvent, etc...
> Man was it ever plugged.
> I easily took two cups black goo out of there. 
> Anyone that thinks EGR is
> good on a diesel was dropped as a child.  So with
> things clean, I evaluate
> the egr, man it's leaking BAD. It's leaking a steady
> stream of solvent from
> just the parts washer solvent flow directed at the
> inside of the plunger
> shaft bushing, almost no pressure at all.  So, drill
> and tap the EGR
> pressure equalization/exhaust/sludge drain hole to
> 1/8" fine pipe thread,
> and put in a hose barb, so I can vent the sucker out
> the bottom of the car.
> Not that the thing is going to admit much carbon
> from now on anyway...
> Cleaned the intercooler too, and with the new 2-1/2"
> exhaust pipe with one
> flowmaster muffler at the rear it should REALLY sing
> now. Next stage,
> injectors and a chip...
> 
> So, what kind of shitty parts supply is this?  First
> time I have ever run
> across this bad a service from ANY parts seller, and
> there are no other
> manifolds available from the other suspects I know
> and deal with either.
> Man, GMC dealer can get me an obscure early corvette
> cast iron performance
> exhaust manifold here next day service, and the
> volks dealer can't supply an
> obviously consumable part. Go figure. Heck, the John
> Deere dealer got me a
> release bearing for a clutch on a 1937 John Deere BR
> in ONE week a number of
> years yeara ago.
> 
> Oh, and consumer's reports really rated the new
> volks stuff poor too, mostly
> over the 1.8T coil issue.  Boys in the fatherland
> better wise up, or go back
> to making 411's, and 412's.
> -James
> 
> 
> ---
> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
> Checked by AVG anti-virus system
> (http://www.grisoft.com).
> Version: 6.0.647 / Virus Database: 414 - Release
> Date: 03/29/2004
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Vwdiesel mailing list
> Vwdiesel@vwfans.com
> http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/vwdiesel


__________________________________
Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway 
http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/
From iscass at shaw.ca  Sat Apr  3 11:41:38 2004
From: iscass at shaw.ca (cass)
Date: Sat Apr  3 11:41:39 2004
Subject: [Vwdiesel] injector lines.   --- ( you got my attention )
References: <000b01c4166e$60671b00$4aed7240@svend>
Message-ID: <00d801c4199a$60c41e20$0200a8c0@ccl475>


ok..
so leaks (3 outta 4) on lines have been stopped by sanding the 'shoulder' off
the pressure/lump  fitting on hose.(and cleaning well after) one leaking a bit now,
.....was the one that wasn't leaking before.. isnt that typical???

typical ,like...when i put the main seal in ,i though.'.that went in kinda funny'..
friend said 'it would be FINE...i worry too much'...guess what im doing this weekend??   :o)

thanks!!
cassie
From Libbybapa at wmconnect.com  Sat Apr  3 14:44:19 2004
From: Libbybapa at wmconnect.com (Libbybapa@wmconnect.com)
Date: Sat Apr  3 14:44:21 2004
Subject: [Vwdiesel] Flagstaff parts. ?.  
Message-ID: <1de.1c67240d.2da06e03@wmconnect.com>

The first pump was leaking at the distributor.  The second pump I put on 
leaked at all of the above except the sprocket shaft seal (kinda odd that the one 
seal against a moving part didn't leak).  Being curious, and feeling somewhat 
challenged, I took apart the first pump, as it already had 290k miles on it.  
I agree that it is a little tricky to put back together, but certainly not 
impossible.  If I closed my eyes and dumped it out, I think I might not get it 
back together, but taking it apart consciously it seems fairly straightforward 
how it goes back together.  A little grease on springs and washers helped.  I 
took the second one apart and replaced the dist o-ring (with one from NAPA) , 
and tried using sealer on the fuel screws.  The pump ran fine when primed, but 
would leak a small amount from cold start, requiring a lot of cranking.  I'd 
like to put them both together using the proper parts.  I'm all ears on 
changing top seal w/out removing lid.  Thanks for all the input, Andrew.
From LBaird119 at aol.com  Sat Apr  3 18:56:00 2004
From: LBaird119 at aol.com (LBaird119@aol.com)
Date: Sat Apr  3 18:56:00 2004
Subject: [Vwdiesel] VW's parts availability
Message-ID: <1a2.226acfa7.2da0a907@aol.com>


> Customer satisfaction is way
> down.
> 

  Show of hands of anyone that's surprised by that?  ....  ANYONE???
I'm surprised that it's really ever gone up since about the mid 80's.  
That seems to be about when they decided they were indespensible 
or something and that no matter what they did or how they treated 
customers, they'd come back.
     Loren
From LBaird119 at aol.com  Sat Apr  3 18:58:37 2004
From: LBaird119 at aol.com (LBaird119@aol.com)
Date: Sat Apr  3 18:58:38 2004
Subject: [Vwdiesel] injector lines.   --- ( you got my attention )
Message-ID: <dc.743f032.2da0a9a7@aol.com>


> guess what im doing this weekend??   :o)
> 

  Any job worth doing is worth doing ... twice???  ;-D
     Loren
From natewall1 at yahoo.com  Sat Apr  3 19:19:37 2004
From: natewall1 at yahoo.com (Nate Wall)
Date: Sat Apr  3 19:19:37 2004
Subject: [Vwdiesel] VW's parts availability
In-Reply-To: <1a2.226acfa7.2da0a907@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20040404001935.69935.qmail@web80804.mail.yahoo.com>

Yea, here's one. VW FINALY warrantied the mass air
flow (MAF) sensor on the 2000 - 2002 TDIs for 70,000
miles.  Most failed bhy 30,000 miles. BUT the dealer
is charging a $85 diagnostic fee that IS NOT refunded
even if the MAF tests bad and is replaced for free!

--Nate
--- LBaird119@aol.com wrote:
> 
> > Customer satisfaction is way
> > down.
> > 
> 
>   Show of hands of anyone that's surprised by that? 
> ....  ANYONE???
> I'm surprised that it's really ever gone up since
> about the mid 80's.  
> That seems to be about when they decided they were
> indespensible 
> or something and that no matter what they did or how
> they treated 
> customers, they'd come back.
>      Loren
> _______________________________________________
> Vwdiesel mailing list
> Vwdiesel@vwfans.com
> http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/vwdiesel


__________________________________
Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway 
http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/
From LBaird119 at aol.com  Sat Apr  3 19:47:57 2004
From: LBaird119 at aol.com (LBaird119@aol.com)
Date: Sat Apr  3 19:47:58 2004
Subject: [Vwdiesel] VW's parts availability
Message-ID: <96.76703ec.2da0b531@aol.com>



> $85 diagnostic fee

  How many HOURS does it take them to figure that out?!?!  Most warranty
work DOES allow for a short diagnosis time.  Heck,  we got somewhere 
between .1 and .2 hrs. to check front brake hoses for recalls. NEVER 
could make time on it though because the dealer policy was to check 
ALL lights, wash front and rear glass and test drive around a 6 block or 
so circle, on EVERY car.  Usually took twice as long as we got paid 
for due to that.  :(
     Loren
From texasvwdriver at hotmail.com  Sat Apr  3 20:05:12 2004
From: texasvwdriver at hotmail.com (TexasTDI)
Date: Sat Apr  3 20:05:13 2004
Subject: [Vwdiesel] Attn: TDI owners -- New AMSOIL 5w-40
References: <4050956C.5FC93D32@jps.net>
Message-ID: <BAY10-DAV24aendgjvM00022fdd@hotmail.com>

Just thought I'd let everyone know that AMSOIL now offers a 100% synthetic
Group 4 (100% synthetic basestocks) CI-4 5w-40 motor oil.  It meets VW
505.00 but not VW 505.01 so it's not recommended for use in the TDI PD.

http://www.amsoil.com/products/afl.htm

Retail price is $6.30 per quart and $74.40 per case of 12 quarts ($6.20 per
quart).  Less expensive than the Group 3 (dino oil basestocks) Castrol
Syntec 5w-30 that the dealership uses.

Christopher J. Thornton
1991 VW Jetta 2 Door 1.6 Diesel - 241k miles
2000 VW Golf 1.9 TDI (turbo diesel) - 97k miles
AMSOIL Synthetic Lubricants Dealer #1098500
http://www.amsoil.com
From texasvwdriver at hotmail.com  Sat Apr  3 20:40:55 2004
From: texasvwdriver at hotmail.com (TexasTDI)
Date: Sat Apr  3 20:40:55 2004
Subject: [Vwdiesel] New oil standards for TDI PD motor, VW 505.01
References: <20040330183119.29034.qmail@web42003.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY10-DAV4Nzq6xEfhz00023821@hotmail.com>

You can only find Castrol 5w-40 at the stealership.  MOTUL also has a 5w-40
that meets VW 505.01.

Christopher J. Thornton
1991 VW Jetta 2 Door 1.6 Diesel - 241k miles
2000 VW Golf 1.9 TDI (turbo diesel) - 94k miles
AMSOIL Synthetic Lubricants Dealer #1098500
http://www.amsoil.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "82 Diesel Westy" <dieselwesty@yahoo.com>
To: <vwdiesel@vwfans.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 12:31 PM
Subject: [Vwdiesel] New oil standards for TDI PD motor, VW 505.01


> OK, I need to do the first oil change on my new Jetta
> Wagon.  I am having no luck finding this standard of
> oil in US.  Castrol and Havoline make it according to
> their web sites but 2 auto parts places I deal with
> can not find it at their suppliers.
>
> Any idea where I can get Castrol GTD 505 01 SAE 5W-40
> or the Havoline equivalent?
>
> >From the list reads I am doing, I don't want to use
> anything else, pure synthetic, but looks like I only
> need to change every 10K, VW says 5K?
> Of course I can buy it at the VW parts counter because
> they are importing it from Europe.
>
> Texas TDI?  any idea's
From matt_lisa at sprynet.com  Sat Apr  3 22:31:20 2004
From: matt_lisa at sprynet.com (Matt_Lisa)
Date: Sat Apr  3 22:31:21 2004
Subject: [Vwdiesel] VW's parts availability
In-Reply-To: <20040404001935.69935.qmail@web80804.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <775CA448-85E8-11D8-A268-000393DA2908@sprynet.com>

My dealer is replacing MAF's for free without the diags.  Of course, we 
aren't in DC, either.

I had mine replaced at 56K miles, and it didn't cost me anything except 
the use of my car for a day.

Matt
http://matt_lisa.home.sprynet.com/

On Saturday, April 3, 2004, at 05:19 PM, Nate Wall wrote:

> Yea, here's one. VW FINALY warrantied the mass air
> flow (MAF) sensor on the 2000 - 2002 TDIs for 70,000
> miles.  Most failed bhy 30,000 miles. BUT the dealer
> is charging a $85 diagnostic fee that IS NOT refunded
> even if the MAF tests bad and is replaced for free!
>
> --Nate
> --- LBaird119@aol.com wrote:
>>
>>> Customer satisfaction is way
>>> down.
>>>
>>
>>   Show of hands of anyone that's surprised by that?
>> ....  ANYONE???
>> I'm surprised that it's really ever gone up since
>> about the mid 80's.
>> That seems to be about when they decided they were
>> indespensible
>> or something and that no matter what they did or how
>> they treated
>> customers, they'd come back.
>>      Loren
>> _______________________________________________
>> Vwdiesel mailing list
>> Vwdiesel@vwfans.com
>> http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/vwdiesel
>
>
> __________________________________
> Do you Yahoo!?
> Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway
> http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/
> _______________________________________________
> Vwdiesel mailing list
> Vwdiesel@vwfans.com
> http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/vwdiesel
>

From LBaird119 at aol.com  Sat Apr  3 22:45:01 2004
From: LBaird119 at aol.com (LBaird119@aol.com)
Date: Sat Apr  3 22:45:02 2004
Subject: [Vwdiesel] VW's parts availability
Message-ID: <1df.1cfc527e.2da0deb2@aol.com>



> My dealer is replacing MAF's for free without the diags.  Of course, we 
> aren't in DC, either.
> 

MAF's on diesels.  Terrible that it seems as sensible as chains on a 
Cessna!  ;-)
     Loren
From weasel1 at sympatico.ca  Sat Apr  3 23:33:33 2004
From: weasel1 at sympatico.ca (Derek)
Date: Sat Apr  3 23:33:35 2004
Subject: [Vwdiesel] Bad vibrations ...
Message-ID: <001b01c419fd$f91e0150$b072d1d8@derek>

Although I realize that diagnosing a vibration over the internet is next to impossible, I appeal to your wisdom as I am at my wits end.   While driving if I make a slight right turn ( as in a curve )  I get a vibration that I can feel in the floorboards and is really audible. It would appear to be coming from the drivers side front area.  It is quite noticeable when the car is cold, but reduces somewhat when I have driven it for about ten minutes or so.  I thought that it might be my CV, but nope.  Noise was there before and is still there after a recent replacement.  I figured maybe its my tires, but nope again.  I just put my summer rims on and no dice.  Damned thing is still there.  I did notice something when I changed tires though.  I had a hard time lining up the bolt holes on the drives side.  I thought that a bit odd and don't remember that happening.  It would appear as though the locating screw is broken or missing. ( I came to that realization after I did the other side of the car and had already put the drivers side tires on, duh ... )  Could that darned little screw be causing this ?  I wonder if when the rim is tightened down does it put all the pressure on the rotor or on that little bit of the hub that pokes through the rotor ?  Either way I will repair or replace that screw tomorrow, but I wonder ...
From LBaird119 at aol.com  Sat Apr  3 23:58:07 2004
From: LBaird119 at aol.com (LBaird119@aol.com)
Date: Sat Apr  3 23:58:10 2004
Subject: [Vwdiesel] Bad vibrations ...
Message-ID: <190.27c81a82.2da0efcd@aol.com>

  The screw is just for convenience.  The lug bolts go through and pull 
everything down tight.  Sounds like a bad wheel bearing.  Jack up one 
side at a time and in about 3rd gear, run it up to 40 or 50 indicated.  
Then put it in neutral and shut off the engine, run out front, and listen. 
Do this for both sides.  If one doesn't seem all that loud, or too loud, 
then you can compare sides.  If they both sound the same then you 
have to determine if it's both or neither!  : )
     Loren 
From jhsg at sasktel.net  Sun Apr  4 00:39:40 2004
From: jhsg at sasktel.net (James Hansen)
Date: Sun Apr  4 00:39:42 2004
Subject: [Vwdiesel] VW's parts availability
In-Reply-To: <20040403160750.95118.qmail@web80802.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <JDELIOONCIECDNKCCMIOAEBMEEAA.jhsg@sasktel.net>

that doesn't surprise me very much.  Any experience I have ever had with the
dealer shop has been negative. Like stuff I had no control over- the
predelivery inspection for instance when we bought the Passat.  I would
think it prudent to fasten ALL the clips on the airbox, and actually place
the filter INSIDE the airbox, not half out/half in. Stuff like that you get
from hiring policy of individual dealership, not a general policy put out by
the fatherland, but I can't imagine that sort of thing goes un-noticed by
the consumer for too long.  Volkswagen forgets that they have a VERY loyal
following that are passionate about their cars.  How do you get passionate
about a goofy SUV called a Moron-oh for instance.  I think they need Peitch
to pop in for a few days and clean house.
-James

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nate Wall [mailto:natewall1@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 10:08 AM
> To: James Hansen; VW-Diesel List
> Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] VW's parts availability
>
>
> Anyone see the recent VW sales figues lately? They are
> not doing well at all. Customer satisfaction is way
> down.
>
> --Nate
> --- James Hansen <jhsg@sasktel.net> wrote:
> > So here's a cute one I thought I'd share.
> >
> > Finally, I get around to pulling the intake off the
> > 97 Passat to clean it
> > and to inspect the EGR valve as it seems to be
> > leaking.  Sure enough, the
> > hole to atmosphere so the diaphragm can move is
> > slobbering foul goo, and is
> > probably the source of the foul diesel smoke odor
> > we've been smelling inside
> > the car on cold starts. (There was a hood sealing
> > foam gasket missing) Fine,
> > the EGR is permanently crimped, so over the shoulder
> > it goes, and go bleed
> > for a new manifold.  No biggie, other than the cost
> > *coff*, $508 CDN at my
> > "dealer wholesale" price level.  Hmm... well, we're
> > keeping the car till the
> > wheels fall off anyway, so what the hell, sez I, and
> > call up the friendly
> > neighborhood dealer, (only a leisurely 8 hour drive
> > away).  Great, order it,
> > plus a couple sundry trinkets I've been putting off,
> > and am told, Oh, that
> > has to come from Tronna, so it's 5 days minimum,
> > they won't air freight out
> > of the Tronna depot any more.  Okay, the car is on
> > jackstands in the shop,
> > IN FRONT of my stock car, which I'm rather set on
> > painting and getting ready
> > for the season, so that's two full spots in a two
> > spot shop, and the dead
> > horse is at the front with the engine open. great.
> > No pushing that outside.
> > So, tinker for a couple days, do other stuff, not
> > that that's ever lacking.
> > Call dealer back today looking for parts, eight
> > working days from the
> > original order date, and told that the backorder
> > will be RELEASED on that
> > part on Apr 20, which would mean another 5 day
> > shipping wait after that
> > even.  So what, are they waiting for the boy scouts
> > to send their recycled
> > aluminum foil in to cast another manifold? Sheesh!
> >
> > So, clean this one up, it has to go back on, five
> > hours of scratching,
> > digging, spraying, passing out from solvent, etc...
> > Man was it ever plugged.
> > I easily took two cups black goo out of there.
> > Anyone that thinks EGR is
> > good on a diesel was dropped as a child.  So with
> > things clean, I evaluate
> > the egr, man it's leaking BAD. It's leaking a steady
> > stream of solvent from
> > just the parts washer solvent flow directed at the
> > inside of the plunger
> > shaft bushing, almost no pressure at all.  So, drill
> > and tap the EGR
> > pressure equalization/exhaust/sludge drain hole to
> > 1/8" fine pipe thread,
> > and put in a hose barb, so I can vent the sucker out
> > the bottom of the car.
> > Not that the thing is going to admit much carbon
> > from now on anyway...
> > Cleaned the intercooler too, and with the new 2-1/2"
> > exhaust pipe with one
> > flowmaster muffler at the rear it should REALLY sing
> > now. Next stage,
> > injectors and a chip...
> >
> > So, what kind of shitty parts supply is this?  First
> > time I have ever run
> > across this bad a service from ANY parts seller, and
> > there are no other
> > manifolds available from the other suspects I know
> > and deal with either.
> > Man, GMC dealer can get me an obscure early corvette
> > cast iron performance
> > exhaust manifold here next day service, and the
> > volks dealer can't supply an
> > obviously consumable part. Go figure. Heck, the John
> > Deere dealer got me a
> > release bearing for a clutch on a 1937 John Deere BR
> > in ONE week a number of
> > years yeara ago.
> >
> > Oh, and consumer's reports really rated the new
> > volks stuff poor too, mostly
> > over the 1.8T coil issue.  Boys in the fatherland
> > better wise up, or go back
> > to making 411's, and 412's.
> > -James
> >
> >
> > ---
> > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
> > Checked by AVG anti-virus system
> > (http://www.grisoft.com).
> > Version: 6.0.647 / Virus Database: 414 - Release
> > Date: 03/29/2004
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Vwdiesel mailing list
> > Vwdiesel@vwfans.com
> > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/vwdiesel
>
>
> __________________________________
> Do you Yahoo!?
> Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway
> http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/
>
> ---
> Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.
> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
> Version: 6.0.647 / Virus Database: 414 - Release Date: 03/29/2004
>
---
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.647 / Virus Database: 414 - Release Date: 03/29/2004



From mark at shepher.fsnet.co.uk  Sun Apr  4 04:46:14 2004
From: mark at shepher.fsnet.co.uk (Mark Shepherd)
Date: Sun Apr  4 04:46:15 2004
Subject: [Vwdiesel] Bad Vibrations
Message-ID: <25317732.1081068372289.JavaMail.www@wwinf3003>

You could try checking for play in  wheel bearing by grabbing raised wheels and pulling top out and bottom in; and if necessary wedging finger in gap under strut whilst wife does the wheel wobbling...
Mark(The Miser)UK
Freeserve AnyTime - HALF PRICE for the first 3 months - Save ?7.50 a month 
www.freeserve.com/anytime
From cotter at mhtc.net  Sun Apr  4 09:37:24 2004
From: cotter at mhtc.net (D. Cotter)
Date: Sun Apr  4 09:37:25 2004
Subject: [Vwdiesel] Bad vibrations ...
References: <001b01c419fd$f91e0150$b072d1d8@derek>
Message-ID: <001901c41a4a$09a7a3e0$77c9b4d8@theone>


> , I appeal to your wisdom as I am at my wits end.   While driving if I
make a slight right turn ( as in a curve )  I get a vibration that I can
feel in the floorboards and is really audible. It would appear to be coming
from the drivers side front area.


This symptom indicates wheel bearing failure--my opinion--Yes, right turn
puts load on drivers side and that one sounds off when bad. Follow Lorens
advice for further examination (block back tires soundly and jack solid:
hate to see your rabbit hop away on its own)
Luck
Cotter

From h_hagar at prcn.org  Sun Apr  4 10:22:34 2004
From: h_hagar at prcn.org (H.Hagar)
Date: Sun Apr  4 10:22:35 2004
Subject: [Vwdiesel] Bad vibrations ...  
Message-ID: <000201c41a50$29cca5c0$7aed7240@svend>

You asked for wisdom   --- jack up rear wheels ---and really check bearings.

No I did not say forget the front.

Hagar.
From h_hagar at prcn.org  Sun Apr  4 10:50:46 2004
From: h_hagar at prcn.org (H.Hagar)
Date: Sun Apr  4 10:50:47 2004
Subject: [Vwdiesel] Flagstaff parts. ?.  --- (  Da  pump )
Message-ID: <000201c41a54$1a2abcc0$42ed7240@svend>

Funny the last two mornings here ,   reminds me of flagstaff.

Nice crispy ( frosty ) morning. Big red ball slowly painting the 
horizon red.  -------Then   Bingo ---rolled up sleeves --- no heated
workshop needed.

Now Andrew put your hand on the bible and tell us that you have in your
hand the timing ring the camplate ---and all the little pieces !!!! .

There is no reason to take pump apart --for doing a stop leaking type job.

The top cover removed does make for a better job. Be careful there is a little 
clip to remove on Throttle arm connection.

My version on fueling is on the way.    Takes a lot of homework to get
it right. ---   Remember I was never an auto mechanic.

Hagar.

PS:  It is one of them Rabitdosious days here coming up.   Now  07 : 47 .
From swright at zuiko.sls.bc.ca  Sun Apr  4 10:56:18 2004
From: swright at zuiko.sls.bc.ca (Shawn Wright)
Date: Sun Apr  4 10:56:19 2004
Subject: [Vwdiesel] Bad vibrations ...
In-Reply-To: <001b01c419fd$f91e0150$b072d1d8@derek>
Message-ID: <406FBF90.606.1EE94F6F@localhost>

On 3 Apr 2004 at 23:33, Derek <weasel1@sympatico.ca> wrote:

> Although I realize that diagnosing a vibration over the internet is next to impossible, I appeal to your wisdom as I am at my wits end.   While driving if I make a slight right turn ( as in a curve )  I get a vibration that I can feel in the floorboards and is really audible. It would appear to be coming from the drivers side front area.  It is quite noticeable when the car is cold, but reduces somewhat when I have driven it for about ten minutes or so.  I thought that it might be my CV, but nope.  Noise was 
there before and is still there after a recent replacement.  I figured maybe its my tires, but nope again.  I just put my summer rims on and no dice.  Damned thing is still there.  I did notice something when I changed tires though.  I had a hard time lining up the bolt holes on the drives side.  I thought that a bit odd and don't remember that happening.  It would appear as though the locating screw is broken or missing. ( I came to that realization after I did the other side of the car and had already put the 
drivers side tires on, duh ... )  Could that darned little screw be causing this ?  I wonder if when the rim is tightened down does it put all the pressure on the rotor or on that little bit of the hub that pokes through the rotor ?  Either way I will repair or replace that screw tomorrow, but I wonder ...

I've driven without those screws for years. Sounds like wheel bearings. Try the 
suggested procedure of jacking up front end and running one at a time, but also try 
in Reverse. I have one slowly failing wheel bearing on the old '85 that would make 
some noise while driving, but actually make crunching noises in reverse - you could 
feel it when turning wheel by hand! 

--
Shawn Wright
http://Zuiko.sls.bc.ca/swright
~This message sent by Pegasus Mail, the safe E-Mail alternative~
"Friends don't let friends use Outlook"

From weasel1 at sympatico.ca  Sun Apr  4 13:13:03 2004
From: weasel1 at sympatico.ca (Derek)
Date: Sun Apr  4 13:13:04 2004
Subject: [Vwdiesel] Bad vibrations ...
References: <406FBF90.606.1EE94F6F@localhost>
Message-ID: <002001c41a68$12432dd0$8543d0d8@derek>

I have never changed the bearing on my A3, is it something I can do at home
?  Any special tools required ?

From koldrid at uvm.edu  Sun Apr  4 13:15:33 2004
From: koldrid at uvm.edu (Kenneth E. Oldrid)
Date: Sun Apr  4 13:15:33 2004
Subject: [Vwdiesel] return line on 84 TD jetta
In-Reply-To: <00d801c4199a$60c41e20$0200a8c0@ccl475>
References: <000b01c4166e$60671b00$4aed7240@svend>
	<00d801c4199a$60c41e20$0200a8c0@ccl475>
Message-ID: <1081098931.407042b3183c1@webmail.uvm.edu>

I'm confused here,
I am replacing a bunch of fuel lines on my 84 jetta turbo diesel. I replaced the
fuel lines feeding and returning from the injection pump, as well as the small
injector lines. I topped up the filter with ATF and started her up. She was
having trouble purging air out of the new clear intake line I Installed. 
I wanted to see how much fuel was being returned, so I ran the return line from
the IP to a bottle. No fuel is coming out, regardless of RPM! I remember
reading about a clogged return bango, so I removed it for inspection. This
bango bolt was different than the mercedes; it had a hollow shaft, but no
perpendicular exit hole near the top? I don't understand how the IP can
exchange fuel through this thing!
Well, I decided to try starting with the bolt removed to observe fuel. It took a
few cranks to start. Nothing came out for a few seconds, and than a tidal wave
of diesel emerged. It was as if it was clogged and released all at once.
Put it all back together, and next to nothing seems to be returning? I did turn
the fuel enrich screw 1/4 CW, with otherwise great results.

Ken
From h_hagar at prcn.org  Sun Apr  4 16:35:03 2004
From: h_hagar at prcn.org (H.Hagar)
Date: Sun Apr  4 16:35:05 2004
Subject: [Vwdiesel] return line on 84 TD jetta - ( Oldrid-- you are not
	reading archives )
Message-ID: <001801c41a84$2e98fd40$83ed7240@svend>


I wanted to see how much fuel was being returned,   On the 84 Jetta
with the BOSCH pump the returnflow is ---a lot .

Banjo should say " OUT "  on top.     And inside it has a filter for the orifice.

Take another look at stem of banjo  ---the hole is small . And if no hole let us know.

Hagar.
From koldrid at uvm.edu  Sun Apr  4 17:56:35 2004
From: koldrid at uvm.edu (Kenneth E. Oldrid)
Date: Sun Apr  4 17:56:37 2004
Subject: [Vwdiesel] return line on 84 TD jetta - ( Oldrid-- you are not
	reading archives )
In-Reply-To: <001801c41a84$2e98fd40$83ed7240@svend>
References: <001801c41a84$2e98fd40$83ed7240@svend>
Message-ID: <1081115792.407084909c362@webmail.uvm.edu>

Ok,
went thru archives and didn't find anything on clogged banjo's or the like. I
did see advice on filling IP from return banjo (good stuff).
My return banjo bolt does say out, and it does have a tiny orifice (thanks
Hagar). The screen appears to be clogged (cn't blow thru banjo). Can I remove
it? How have people dealt with this? Compressed air? 
I have a vacuum pump here. Can I pull fuel thru the injection pump out the
return side, if I supply power to the shut off valve? I thought this might pull
any crud out of the pump.
thanks,
Ken

> 
> I wanted to see how much fuel was being returned,   On the 84 Jetta
> with the BOSCH pump the returnflow is ---a lot .
> 
> Banjo should say " OUT "  on top.     And inside it has a filter for the
> orifice.
> 
> Take another look at stem of banjo  ---the hole is small . And if no hole let
> us know.
> 
> Hagar.
> _______________________________________________
> Vwdiesel mailing list
> Vwdiesel@vwfans.com
> http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/vwdiesel
> 


-- 

From hillsgrove at adelphia.net  Sun Apr  4 18:25:40 2004
From: hillsgrove at adelphia.net (Lee Hillsgrove)
Date: Sun Apr  4 18:25:42 2004
Subject: [Vwdiesel] Bad vibrations ...
References: <406FBF90.606.1EE94F6F@localhost>
	<002001c41a68$12432dd0$8543d0d8@derek>
Message-ID: <002901c41a93$a1b19120$6600a8c0@lee>



> I have never changed the bearing on my A3, is it something I can do at
home
> ?  Any special tools required ?


  I just did both sides recently in my A3. Yes, you will need to either pull
the strut and knuckle assembly out and bring it to someone with a hydraulic
press or just do it on the car with a screw-type puller made for the
purpose. There is the possibility of fabricating a similar tool using a
hydraulic bottle jack, if you are handy and have access to metalworking
equipment. You'll also need a grinder or pneumatic chisel to get the outside
inner race off of the hub. Of course, a cement floor with a floor jack and
jackstands are really nice plus basic hand tools are going to be a given.

 I didn't have the puller myself but know a dealer tech, a fellow ham, who
brought his home as a favor.   :-))


  Lee
  Oo-v-oO
  PP-ASEL
  KB1GNI


From r.c.brown at ieee.org  Sun Apr  4 18:28:04 2004
From: r.c.brown at ieee.org (Roger Brown)
Date: Sun Apr  4 18:28:06 2004
Subject: [Vwdiesel] Bad vibrations ...
References: <406FBF90.606.1EE94F6F@localhost>
	<002001c41a68$12432dd0$8543d0d8@derek>
	<002901c41a93$a1b19120$6600a8c0@lee>
Message-ID: <40708BED.A1A6185F@ieee.org>

Lee Hillsgrove wrote:
> 
> > I have never changed the bearing on my A3, is it something I can do at
> home
> > ?  Any special tools required ?
> 
>   I just did both sides recently in my A3. Yes, you will need to either pull
> the strut and knuckle assembly out and bring it to someone with a hydraulic
> press or just do it on the car with a screw-type puller made for the
> purpose. There is the possibility of fabricating a similar tool using a
> hydraulic bottle jack, if you are handy and have access to metalworking
> equipment. You'll also need a grinder or pneumatic chisel to get the outside
> inner race off of the hub. Of course, a cement floor with a floor jack and
> jackstands are really nice plus basic hand tools are going to be a given.
> 
>  I didn't have the puller myself but know a dealer tech, a fellow ham, who
> brought his home as a favor.   :-))

Here's how I did mine (A1):
	http://www.4crawler.com/Diesel/CheapTricks/FrontWheelBearing.shtml

-- 
   Roger
From koldrid at uvm.edu  Sun Apr  4 18:35:06 2004
From: koldrid at uvm.edu (Kenneth E. Oldrid)
Date: Sun Apr  4 18:35:08 2004
Subject: [Vwdiesel] return line on 84 TD jetta - ( Oldrid-- you are not
	reading archives )
In-Reply-To: <1081115792.407084909c362@webmail.uvm.edu>
References: <001801c41a84$2e98fd40$83ed7240@svend>
	<1081115792.407084909c362@webmail.uvm.edu>
Message-ID: <1081118104.40708d98b7173@webmail.uvm.edu>

After some soaking, I'm now able to pull fluid thru the banjo using my vacuum
pump. This hole is miniscule! Not sure if the flow will be perfect. The hole is
much smaller than a pin, or else I would like to ream it out a little. I
imagine the hole size is important for pump pressure or something, so I'm
hesistant to alter it.

Ken 

> Ok,
> went thru archives and didn't find anything on clogged banjo's or the like.
> I
> did see advice on filling IP from return banjo (good stuff).
> My return banjo bolt does say out, and it does have a tiny orifice (thanks
> Hagar). The screen appears to be clogged (cn't blow thru banjo). Can I
> remove
> it? How have people dealt with this? Compressed air? 
> I have a vacuum pump here. Can I pull fuel thru the injection pump out the
> return side, if I supply power to the shut off valve? I thought this might
> pull
> any crud out of the pump.
> thanks,
> Ken
> 
> > 
> > I wanted to see how much fuel was being returned,   On the 84 Jetta
> > with the BOSCH pump the returnflow is ---a lot .
> > 
> > Banjo should say " OUT "  on top.     And inside it has a filter for the
> > orifice.
> > 
> > Take another look at stem of banjo  ---the hole is small . And if no hole
> let
> > us know.
> > 
> > Hagar.
> > _______________________________________________
> > Vwdiesel mailing list
> > Vwdiesel@vwfans.com
> > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/vwdiesel
> > 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Vwdiesel mailing list
> Vwdiesel@vwfans.com
> http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/vwdiesel
> 


-- 

From LBaird119 at aol.com  Sun Apr  4 20:24:33 2004
From: LBaird119 at aol.com (LBaird119@aol.com)
Date: Sun Apr  4 20:24:33 2004
Subject: [Vwdiesel] Bad vibrations ...
Message-ID: <142.2609696a.2da2013c@aol.com>

  I FINALLY have good brakes on the Jetta but it went like this...
(Just think of Archie Campbell and Roy Clark doing this, for those of 
you who miss Hee Haw.)  ;-)

  The Jetta needs new brakes.
  Well, that's bad.
  No, That's good, I can get drums and disks for a really good price.
  That's good.
  No, that's bad.  I put on new pads, rotors, drums and bearings and 
the brakes still aren't very good.
  That's bad.
  No, that's good.  A new Master cylinder should fix it. 
   Well, that's good. 
   No, that's bad.  It's no better than it was before. 
  That's bad.  No, that's good.  I still have a set of rear shoes to put on. 
  Oh, that's good.
  No that's bad.  I forgot I hadn't done them and misplaced them.  
  That's bad.  
  No, that's good.  I got a good two years use out of them even though 
the pedal was low and spongy. 
  Well, that's good. 
  No, that's bad.  The other day I went to get the summer tires out of 
the shed and when I came out the car had rolled into a tree.
  That's bad.
  No, that's good.  It made me finally do something about the low pedal. 
   Well, that's good.
  No, that's bad.  I was at a loss as to what to do.  
  That's bad.
  No, that's good.  While I was waiting for Dad to get home and take me 
down to get the car from the body shop, I found my brake shoes!
  That's good.
  No, that's bad.  I put on the new shoes and although I now had a working 
e-brake, the pedal was as bad or worse than ever.
  That's bad.
  No, that's good.  I had an extra, used, master cylinder from the car, in
case that was the problem.
  That's good.
  No, that's bad.  The REASON I had an extra master cylinder was because
I'd replaced the old one and it didn't improve the brakes a bit.
 That's bad.
  No, that's good.  It gave me the assurance that I WOULD get those 
brakes working one way or another!
  That's good.
  No, that's bad.  I figured I needed to bleed the brakes but the kids were 
gone all day Saturday and the wife doesn't like helping on the cars.
  That's bad. 
  No, that's good.  She was willing to help so we got to tackle the problem 
AND spend a little time together. 
  That's good.  
  No, that's bad.  I went to bleed the RR cylinder and got very little flow 
but a fair amount of air.  
  That's bad.
  No, that's good.  I was hoping it was just trapped air and it looked like 
it was. 
  That's good.
  No, that's bad.  When I went to the LR wheel I realized I STILL had very 
little flow from the RR wheel. 
  That's bad.
  No, that's good.  I had her stomp the brakes a few times, held the 
proportioning valve open, got more air out and finally much more flow.
  That's good.
  No, that's bad.  When I went to do the fronts, she stomped down again
and I got a nice little spray of brake fluid all over me. 
  That's bad.
  No, that's good.  By the time we got all done (and the reservoir didn't 
even go empty!) I had a nice, high, firm brake pedal.  
  Well, THAT'S good.
  You're doggone right that's good!

  Now I just have to get used to NOT trying to put the pedal to the floor 
or I'll put my head into the windshield!  :)
  Just one more reason I don't care much for any of the one person 
methods for bleeding brakes.  I'd bled them myself when I put the 
master cylinder on.
     Loren
From natewall1 at yahoo.com  Mon Apr  5 09:58:54 2004
From: natewall1 at yahoo.com (Nate Wall)
Date: Mon Apr  5 09:58:54 2004
Subject: [Vwdiesel] return line on 84 TD jetta - ( Oldrid-- you are not
	reading archives )
In-Reply-To: <1081118104.40708d98b7173@webmail.uvm.edu>
Message-ID: <20040405135849.27814.qmail@web80802.mail.yahoo.com>

I have a spare injection pump and I've been hesitant
to swap onto my Jetta TD since the inner (and outter)
diameter of the return line fitting is much smaller
than the one on the pump that is on the Jetta. I
wonder if the fitting is installed at the factory to
set the internal pressure. The spare came from a
Quantum and I have a Jetta. I wonder if transverse Vs.
longitudnal engine installation makes the difference
in pump orientation having an effect on internal pump
pressure.

I wounder if I should swap the return fittings if I
switch the pumps. Is the fitting size matched to the
pump, or pump location/orientation?

--Nate
--- "Kenneth E. Oldrid" <koldrid@uvm.edu> wrote:
> After some soaking, I'm now able to pull fluid thru
> the banjo using my vacuum
> pump. This hole is miniscule! Not sure if the flow
> will be perfect. The hole is
> much smaller than a pin, or else I would like to
> ream it out a little. I
> imagine the hole size is important for pump pressure
> or something, so I'm
> hesistant to alter it.
> 
> Ken 
> 
> > Ok,
> > went thru archives and didn't find anything on
> clogged banjo's or the like.
> > I
> > did see advice on filling IP from return banjo
> (good stuff).
> > My return banjo bolt does say out, and it does
> have a tiny orifice (thanks
> > Hagar). The screen appears to be clogged (cn't
> blow thru banjo). Can I
> > remove
> > it? How have people dealt with this? Compressed
> air? 
> > I have a vacuum pump here. Can I pull fuel thru
> the injection pump out the
> > return side, if I supply power to the shut off
> valve? I thought this might
> > pull
> > any crud out of the pump.
> > thanks,
> > Ken
> > 
> > > 
> > > I wanted to see how much fuel was being
> returned,   On the 84 Jetta
> > > with the BOSCH pump the returnflow is ---a lot .
> > > 
> > > Banjo should say " OUT "  on top.     And inside
> it has a filter for the
> > > orifice.
> > > 
> > > Take another look at stem of banjo  ---the hole
> is small . And if no hole
> > let
> > > us know.
> > > 
> > > Hagar.
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Vwdiesel mailing list
> > > Vwdiesel@vwfans.com
> > >
> http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/vwdiesel
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Vwdiesel mailing list
> > Vwdiesel@vwfans.com
> > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/vwdiesel
> > 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Vwdiesel mailing list
> Vwdiesel@vwfans.com
> http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/vwdiesel


__________________________________
Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway 
http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/
From h_hagar at prcn.org  Mon Apr  5 10:50:12 2004
From: h_hagar at prcn.org (H.Hagar)
Date: Mon Apr  5 10:50:13 2004
Subject: [Vwdiesel] Injection pump Bosch VE ---- ( The fuel sleeve for
	beginners )
Message-ID: <000201c41b1d$2f09f600$23ed7240@svend>

A bit back I promised to forward my take on "FUELING" a Rabbit.

A VW diesel has no restriction of airflow --- no ventury or the likes.
No butterfly valve.   So to regulate power its all fuel flow control. What regulates
fuel ?   " DA Sleeve "..   What regulates   " DA Sleeve " ?. The sleeve is a fair
hunk of iron that slides back and forth on piston. When the engine idles the
spillhole is open. As we step on the pedal we tell the governor to move the sleeve
to reduce spilling. -------- So what does the Fueling screw do ?  It sets the amount
of fuel to be injected over the whole range of  Load and RPM  ---the governor being in charge.      The fueling screw is super sensitive  ---total range about 5 turns.

Turn the screw lefthand "OUT" to reduce fueling  . So you do not know where you are at ?
no problem  . Turn screw "IN"  all the way ---then back out 3.5 turn.  That should be a good starting point. No smoke and lack of power ?  then screw it in a very small amount at the time till you are happy (she is happy) .  A very time consuming affair.If you
set carburetor mixture screws ---then you know how.

How far does the sleeve move from idle to full power ?  --about 1/8 inch.
That is a small move --so mechanical accuracy is important.

If you move fueling screw ---then Idle has to be reset.     So why is pedal not connected
to sleeve ?       Well it could be ---but it would be difficult to drive.

 Why do we need the Governor ?   --- maybe next time.

Hagar.  

PS:  The sleeve looks like a washer  1 inch diameter by 0.5 thick  hole
about 3/8  inch. 
From h_hagar at prcn.org  Mon Apr  5 12:27:36 2004
From: h_hagar at prcn.org (H.Hagar)
Date: Mon Apr  5 12:27:38 2004
Subject: [Vwdiesel] Injection pump Bosch VE ---- ( swapping pumps )
Message-ID: <000c01c41b2a$c976d0c0$33ed7240@svend>

I have a spare injection pump and I've been hesitant
to swap onto my Jetta TD since the inner (and outter)
diameter of the return line fitting is much smaller
than the one on the pump that is on the Jetta. I
wonder if the fitting is installed at the factory to
set the internal pressure. The spare came from a
Quantum and I have a Jetta. I wonder if transverse Vs.
longitudnal engine installation makes the difference
in pump orientation having an effect on internal pump
pressure.

I wounder if I should swap the return fittings if I
switch the pumps. Is the fitting size matched to the
pump, or pump location/orientation?

--Nate


Nate please post the numbers on pumps ----  then the total knowledge
here may just get you going.   The best part of diesels to me  , is that
any pump that will squirt fuel at the right time and amount will do.

So even the smallest pump will get an engine going . And the bigger pumps
can be regulated for the smallest engine.

We are getting in to " Hillbilly "  territory.      I experiment with pumps and
injectors just about every day. And so far I found no reason that any pump
any nozzle  in any combination.  Will not get you to the saltmine.

A while back I call Bosch Technical Support and asked
specifically where I could get good hard numbers for
tolerances and performance measurements for specific
injection pump models. I was told that the information
is proprietary and only released to Bosch Authroized
Injection Puump Repair Facilities.

--Nate

I like the statement from William A Thompson  --- is it bendover  info ?
yes indeed.  ---- Its like asking  Gates for the source code for windows.

Looking for the motherlode  --- here we go again.

We will find it due to the many skills found in this forum. It is to be found
at BOSCH in Germany or VOW  Germany. That may involve a little bit of
translation   ----  no problem. (and bribery)

The Bosch repair manual is out there and the numbers are listed for
all pumps.   The repairstation need them for the testrig.   

Lets see if we can get Loren to go spy a bit at the station he visited before.
He found out that different grades of vanes were available , last time.

Do not swap orifice without doing a bit of homework. Size of drainlines is
not critical.

I am having a ball , experimenting  ---- There are 3 VW  diesel running here
now ---- so if I screw up ?   --- I still get to town.

So what is different from one pump to the next ?   What does the letters at the end
indicate ? ---- Same basic pump  -- 107 A      Letter means pump is set up for
a certain engine --say 1.6L NA    --- On some turbo pumps the piston
is slightly bigger diameter.(more fuel)   Am I rambling ?  --yes I am am.


Hagar.
From gbangs at cfl.rr.com  Mon Apr  5 12:50:41 2004
From: gbangs at cfl.rr.com (gary)
Date: Mon Apr  5 12:50:43 2004
Subject: [Vwdiesel] Injection pump Bosch VE ---- ( swapping pumps )
In-Reply-To: <000c01c41b2a$c976d0c0$33ed7240@svend>
References: <000c01c41b2a$c976d0c0$33ed7240@svend>
Message-ID: <1081184361.29511.14.camel@gary.home.lan>

Nate,
Transverse or longitudinal makes no difference. If the pump numbers are
the same, then so are the internals (and externals).

The outlet banjo bolt does have a set-size bleed hole in it. However, it
is there to pass air, not so much fuel. If this hole does have some
bearing on internal pump pressure, I'm am most sure that it would be the
same size between all four-cylinder vw diesels.

If there were any variation in internal pressure, it would be
compensated for by changing the springs and/or shims in the timing
plunger section.

IMHO,

-Gary



 

On Mon, 2004-04-05 at 12:24, H.Hagar wrote:
> I have a spare injection pump and I've been hesitant
> to swap onto my Jetta TD since the inner (and outter)
> diameter of the return line fitting is much smaller
> than the one on the pump that is on the Jetta. I
> wonder if the fitting is installed at the factory to
> set the internal pressure. The spare came from a
> Quantum and I have a Jetta. I wonder if transverse Vs.
> longitudnal engine installation makes the difference
> in pump orientation having an effect on internal pump
> pressure.
> 
> I wounder if I should swap the return fittings if I
> switch the pumps. Is the fitting size matched to the
> pump, or pump location/orientation?
> 
> --Nate
> 
> 
> Nate please post the numbers on pumps ----  then the total knowledge
> here may just get you going.   The best part of diesels to me  , is that
> any pump that will squirt fuel at the right time and amount will do.
> 
> So even the smallest pump will get an engine going . And the bigger pumps
> can be regulated for the smallest engine.
> 
> We are getting in to " Hillbilly "  territory.      I experiment with pumps and
> injectors just about every day. And so far I found no reason that any pump
> any nozzle  in any combination.  Will not get you to the saltmine.
> 
> A while back I call Bosch Technical Support and asked
> specifically where I could get good hard numbers for
> tolerances and performance measurements for specific
> injection pump models. I was told that the information
> is proprietary and only released to Bosch Authroized
> Injection Puump Repair Facilities.
> 
> --Nate
> 
> I like the statement from William A Thompson  --- is it bendover  info ?
> yes indeed.  ---- Its like asking  Gates for the source code for windows.
> 
> Looking for the motherlode  --- here we go again.
> 
> We will find it due to the many skills found in this forum. It is to be found
> at BOSCH in Germany or VOW  Germany. That may involve a little bit of
> translation   ----  no problem. (and bribery)
> 
> The Bosch repair manual is out there and the numbers are listed for
> all pumps.   The repairstation need them for the testrig.   
> 
> Lets see if we can get Loren to go spy a bit at the station he visited before.
> He found out that different grades of vanes were available , last time.
> 
> Do not swap orifice without doing a bit of homework. Size of drainlines is
> not critical.
> 
> I am having a ball , experimenting  ---- There are 3 VW  diesel running here
> now ---- so if I screw up ?   --- I still get to town.
> 
> So what is different from one pump to the next ?   What does the letters at the end
> indicate ? ---- Same basic pump  -- 107 A      Letter means pump is set up for
> a certain engine --say 1.6L NA    --- On some turbo pumps the piston
> is slightly bigger diameter.(more fuel)   Am I rambling ?  --yes I am am.
> 
> 
> Hagar.
> _______________________________________________
> Vwdiesel mailing list
> Vwdiesel@vwfans.com
> http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/vwdiesel

From h_hagar at prcn.org  Mon Apr  5 14:10:01 2004
From: h_hagar at prcn.org (H.Hagar)
Date: Mon Apr  5 14:10:02 2004
Subject: [Vwdiesel] Wisdom and Insight --- ( where from ???? )
Message-ID: <000d01c41b39$15d0ae60$4ced7240@svend>

Anyone see the recent VW sales figues lately? They are
not doing well at all. Customer satisfaction is way
down.
Nate Wall 


Does wisdom and insight apply ????   I think so.

It falls in to a class called " Blunders"  --- American sales advertising is to blame in part.
Economy --- is pushed , using FUEL consumption as a sales tool.

Lets take a look at Rolls Royce advertising  ---- a high quality automobile.
Reliable and good handling.

An owner phones London from Cairo saying that he wanted to order a new
axle. London say , Rolls axles do not break  ---Rolls flew out two mechanics
and axle was changed -- in short order.   
After some time owner contacted Rolls for the bill for the broken axle.
Response ?    --- NO bill --Rolls axles do not break.

I happen to like Volvo ---I grew up in the area.   How does American advertising
flog the thing ?   Sweden has gravel roads and the car last 11 years there.--crap.

The "Bunny" is a special case ------ Underline  VOLKS  (Sears cheap shit) --
it is not Maytag or Rolls.     We service what we sell --- crap.
Put together the bills for a Diesel Rabbit and then look at cost pr mile.

Did I say that the 1980 Rabbit diesel was the finest piece of transportation
ever made by man ???  --yes I did.    For us who know how to make them
purr.

VW Diesels are NOT a car for the masses (volks) in America or Canada.

In Europe (north) the training and certification of mechanic's are totally different
from here.

The culture in America started with the model "T"  and that corner gasjockey .
Even the best Gasoline mechanic is not qualified to keep a Rabbit diesel ---
or any diesel for that matter , going. Unless he is also a diesel mechanic.

The VW diesel is a fine piece of technology --(I love it) but it is utterly unforgiving.

Have I driven a " T "  ???  yes   " Goldenrod "  a racer in Seattle WA USA..
It had a full FORD maintenance manual with it.
And that was an eye opener --- shop charge in hours for everything was listed.
Totally stupid.   NO one could make a days pay at those numbers.

So sales are down ?  NO wonder ---- people do catch on eventually.

Damage to a " NAME " ?   yes..

Take the GM Oldsmobile diesel ---did it absolutely destroy the "NAME" ?
take a look at Olds now !!!. ----- A class "A" blunder.

Bosch got sucked in on this one.   The VE pumps are fine but utterly unforgiving.
Therein lies the VW dilemma in North America. Crappy fuel and crappy maintenance.

VW Rabbit electrical panel is a pile of crap. -------- do not get water on it.

The Turbo I use is  American -----  absolutely a fine piece of machinery. No problems
in that area.  "Garrett" -----sure works.

Was American  API  lubeoils ok ? for the 1980 Rabbits ?   yes no problem  Dino oils are
fine .   As the 1980 Rabbit gets old , dino is best dollar for dollar. To use SYN is a no no
from a money point of view.

Synthetic oils have been a disaster in the past ---- American advertising again.
So be careful.

The turbo is a special case ----- If you shut down a turbo red hot.----the heat travels along
the shaft to the bearing ---and it cooks the oil. In that case the  Mobil Delvac 1  is a better 
choice. BUT ? do you do that.?.   Do I own shares in Exxon ?   NO.

Synthetic Oils were invented say  1930 era , so why did it take   about 50 years to ban
production of some of them ?  ---- like pyranol askarel etc.   

So  Delvac 1 and scamzoils and what not will never be banned ???? --- think.

So the lube was not it ---- the FUEL and MAINTENANCE  and operator was.

So give me a brand new 1980 Rabbit --- and it will never rust and the engine and tranny
will do half a million miles without overhaul. ---- not bad for a peoples car.

Definition of fine piece of tranportation :    It works ----it looks ---   NICE
not like a CV 2 or a Messershit or a Beetle.     Or  Lloydwagen  or NSU Printz.
So there you got my opinion based on wisdom and insight   ------ and lets face it 
how do you beat the MODEL T in todays dollars.?. Great memories of the " Tin Lizzy ".

Cars are too cheap today --- really.  ---- yeah I know it is contradictory.

Hagar.

Wisdom from where ??? --  from a sum total of all the things I'v ever read and
experienced. --- in no small part from this forum.
From gbangs at cfl.rr.com  Mon Apr  5 14:27:42 2004
From: gbangs at cfl.rr.com (gary)
Date: Mon Apr  5 14:27:42 2004
Subject: [Vwdiesel] Wisdom and Insight --- ( where from ???? )
In-Reply-To: <000d01c41b39$15d0ae60$4ced7240@svend>
References: <000d01c41b39$15d0ae60$4ced7240@svend>
Message-ID: <1081190188.29654.6.camel@gary.home.lan>

Gee, I wonder why!?!

Owner: Mr Dealer man, I think my MAF is broken. I'm still under
warranty.

Dealer: It may be your MAF, but we will still stick you with a $75
diagnostic whether it is or not.

Dealer(alt response): You looked at me funny, we will not honor your
warranty. Go home.


-Gary  


On Mon, 2004-04-05 at 14:07, H.Hagar wrote:
> Anyone see the recent VW sales figues lately? They are
> not doing well at all. Customer satisfaction is way
> down.
> Nate Wall 
> 
> 
> Does wisdom and insight apply ????   I think so.
> 
> It falls in to a class called " Blunders"  --- American sales advertising is to blame in part.
> Economy --- is pushed , using FUEL consumption as a sales tool.
> 
> Lets take a look at Rolls Royce advertising  ---- a high quality automobile.
> Reliable and good handling.
> 
> An owner phones London from Cairo saying that he wanted to order a new
> axle. London say , Rolls axles do not break  ---Rolls flew out two mechanics
> and axle was changed -- in short order.   
> After some time owner contacted Rolls for the bill for the broken axle.
> Response ?    --- NO bill --Rolls axles do not break.
> 
> I happen to like Volvo ---I grew up in the area.   How does American advertising
> flog the thing ?   Sweden has gravel roads and the car last 11 years there.--crap.
> 
> The "Bunny" is a special case ------ Underline  VOLKS  (Sears cheap shit) --
> it is not Maytag or Rolls.     We service what we sell --- crap.
> Put together the bills for a Diesel Rabbit and then look at cost pr mile.
> 
> Did I say that the 1980 Rabbit diesel was the finest piece of transportation
> ever made by man ???  --yes I did.    For us who know how to make them
> purr.
> 
> VW Diesels are NOT a car for the masses (volks) in America or Canada.
> 
> In Europe (north) the training and certification of mechanic's are totally different
> from here.
> 
> The culture in America started with the model "T"  and that corner gasjockey .
> Even the best Gasoline mechanic is not qualified to keep a Rabbit diesel ---
> or any diesel for that matter , going. Unless he is also a diesel mechanic.
> 
> The VW diesel is a fine piece of technology --(I love it) but it is utterly unforgiving.
> 
> Have I driven a " T "  ???  yes   " Goldenrod "  a racer in Seattle WA USA..
> It had a full FORD maintenance manual with it.
> And that was an eye opener --- shop charge in hours for everything was listed.
> Totally stupid.   NO one could make a days pay at those numbers.
> 
> So sales are down ?  NO wonder ---- people do catch on eventually.
> 
> Damage to a " NAME " ?   yes..
> 
> Take the GM Oldsmobile diesel ---did it absolutely destroy the "NAME" ?
> take a look at Olds now !!!. ----- A class "A" blunder.
> 
> Bosch got sucked in on this one.   The VE pumps are fine but utterly unforgiving.
> Therein lies the VW dilemma in North America. Crappy fuel and crappy maintenance.
> 
> VW Rabbit electrical panel is a pile of crap. -------- do not get water on it.
> 
> The Turbo I use is  American -----  absolutely a fine piece of machinery. No problems
> in that area.  "Garrett" -----sure works.
> 
> Was American  API  lubeoils ok ? for the 1980 Rabbits ?   yes no problem  Dino oils are
> fine .   As the 1980 Rabbit gets old , dino is best dollar for dollar. To use SYN is a no no
> from a money point of view.
> 
> Synthetic oils have been a disaster in the past ---- American advertising again.
> So be careful.
> 
> The turbo is a special case ----- If you shut down a turbo red hot.----the heat travels along
> the shaft to the bearing ---and it cooks the oil. In that case the  Mobil Delvac 1  is a better 
> choice. BUT ? do you do that.?.   Do I own shares in Exxon ?   NO.
> 
> Synthetic Oils were invented say  1930 era , so why did it take   about 50 years to ban
> production of some of them ?  ---- like pyranol askarel etc.   
> 
> So  Delvac 1 and scamzoils and what not will never be banned ???? --- think.
> 
> So the lube was not it ---- the FUEL and MAINTENANCE  and operator was.
> 
> So give me a brand new 1980 Rabbit --- and it will never rust and the engine and tranny
> will do half a million miles without overhaul. ---- not bad for a peoples car.
> 
> Definition of fine piece of tranportation :    It works ----it looks ---   NICE
> not like a CV 2 or a Messershit or a Beetle.     Or  Lloydwagen  or NSU Printz.
> So there you got my opinion based on wisdom and insight   ------ and lets face it 
> how do you beat the MODEL T in todays dollars.?. Great memories of the " Tin Lizzy ".
> 
> Cars are too cheap today --- really.  ---- yeah I know it is contradictory.
> 
> Hagar.
> 
> Wisdom from where ??? --  from a sum total of all the things I'v ever read and
> experienced. --- in no small part from this forum.
> _______________________________________________
> Vwdiesel mailing list
> Vwdiesel@vwfans.com
> http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/vwdiesel

From dieselwesty at yahoo.com  Mon Apr  5 15:24:44 2004
From: dieselwesty at yahoo.com (82 Diesel Westy)
Date: Mon Apr  5 15:24:45 2004
Subject: [Vwdiesel] injector lines.   --- ( you got my attention )
In-Reply-To: <dc.743f032.2da0a9a7@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20040405192441.65613.qmail@web42005.mail.yahoo.com>

Always seems to be twice in my book.  I'm rebuilding
my beetle motor for the 3rd time in 10 years, just
because I wanted that dam thermostat to work, did
nothing but overheat the motor and blow my rear main
seal this last time.

I will leave the dam thing off from now on.



=====
Bryan Belman, Pt Pleasant, NJ
04 Jetta Wagon TDI PD, 100hp, 5sp
82 Westfalia Diesel, 1.9L NA hybrid, under body restoration & engine re-work
90 Audi 200, 2.2L Turbo FWD
70 Type 1 Beetle

__________________________________
Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway 
http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/
From dieselwesty at yahoo.com  Mon Apr  5 15:32:54 2004
From: dieselwesty at yahoo.com (82 Diesel Westy)
Date: Mon Apr  5 15:32:56 2004
Subject: [Vwdiesel] Re: Here it the response I got from Castrol consumer
	relations about 505.01
In-Reply-To: <BAY10-DAV4Nzq6xEfhz00023821@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <20040405193252.69333.qmail@web42005.mail.yahoo.com>


VW only plans to sell roughly 1,200 units annually of
the "Pumpe-duese" equipped VW Jetta's and Passat's
that would require the 505.01 lubricant.
The 505.01 engine oil is specifically formulated to
ensure protection of the cam lobes that drive the unit
injectors. High loading requires the proper level of
antiwear protection. In turn VW needs to ensure that
505.01 is utilized for this engine design. The cam
shafts are mechanically driven and assist in the build
up of fuel pressure in each injector
Castrol 505 01 is not available through Castrol in
North America. Castrol is supplying Castrol 505 01 and
this product is available through VW dealerships who
order the product from Europe.   It is branded as
Castrol 505 01 oil and has a VW part number (G 052
167A2).
 
Thanks all, 


=====
Bryan Belman, Pt Pleasant, NJ
04 Jetta Wagon TDI PD, 100hp, 5sp
82 Westfalia Diesel, 1.9L NA hybrid, under body restoration & engine re-work
90 Audi 200, 2.2L Turbo FWD
70 Type 1 Beetle

__________________________________
Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway 
http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/
From dieseltdi at earthlink.net  Mon Apr  5 16:40:11 2004
From: dieseltdi at earthlink.net (Hayden Chasteen)
Date: Mon Apr  5 16:40:12 2004
Subject: [Vwdiesel] Re: Here it the response I got from Castrol
	consumerrelations about 505.01
References: <20040405193252.69333.qmail@web42005.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001201c41b4e$2cb401d0$1da2a00a@ALL.DISTTCCD.NET>

My dealer is selling MOTUL Specific 505.01 for $120 per case of 4 - 5 liter
bottles.  No way I would put that castrol crap in my car.  To much bad juju
from what it did to the regular tdi's, can't imagine how bad it would be in
the PD's.  Hayden
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "82 Diesel Westy" <dieselwesty@yahoo.com>
To: "TexasTDI" <texasvwdriver@hotmail.com>
Cc: <Vwdiesel@vwfans.com>
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 2:32 PM
Subject: [Vwdiesel] Re: Here it the response I got from Castrol
consumerrelations about 505.01


>
> VW only plans to sell roughly 1,200 units annually of
> the "Pumpe-duese" equipped VW Jetta's and Passat's
> that would require the 505.01 lubricant.
> The 505.01 engine oil is specifically formulated to
> ensure protection of the cam lobes that drive the unit
> injectors. High loading requires the proper level of
> antiwear protection. In turn VW needs to ensure that
> 505.01 is utilized for this engine design. The cam
> shafts are mechanically driven and assist in the build
> up of fuel pressure in each injector
> Castrol 505 01 is not available through Castrol in
> North America. Castrol is supplying Castrol 505 01 and
> this product is available through VW dealerships who
> order the product from Europe.   It is branded as
> Castrol 505 01 oil and has a VW part number (G 052
> 167A2).
>
> Thanks all,
>
>
> =====
> Bryan Belman, Pt Pleasant, NJ
> 04 Jetta Wagon TDI PD, 100hp, 5sp
> 82 Westfalia Diesel, 1.9L NA hybrid, under body restoration & engine
re-work
> 90 Audi 200, 2.2L Turbo FWD
> 70 Type 1 Beetle
>
> __________________________________
> Do you Yahoo!?
> Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway
> http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/
> _______________________________________________
> Vwdiesel mailing list
> Vwdiesel@vwfans.com
> http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/vwdiesel

From CCarnoha at itd.state.id.us  Mon Apr  5 18:28:42 2004
From: CCarnoha at itd.state.id.us (Chuck Carnohan)
Date: Mon Apr  5 18:28:43 2004
Subject: [Vwdiesel] Looking for Advice
Message-ID: <1AA7FA919E0CF74DA0E02A4507D1B305808665@ITDEVS01.itd.state.id.us>


I recently picked-up an '84 Rabbit with a thrashed 1.6NA and need an
engine.  I have now come across another 1.6 engine with hydraulic
lifters in an '85 Jetta (obviously not the original engine).  In short,
the engine cranks right up and smooths-out quickly.  It hadn't been
started in a couple of weeks.  Upon closer inspection the oil is globby
as it passes over the plastic valve baffle.  There is no evidence of oil
in the oil or the overflow tank.  The engine smokes a bit when revved-
and continues to smoke some with rpm's raised (greyish blue) but not too
bad.  I can't drive it as one of the CV's is out.  The engine appears to
be a later model as it has the long dipstick and round plastic air box.
What do you all think about this?  It sounds pretty good- a continual
clunk sound that I couldn't track-down but I also couldn't hear it
coming from the engine core or valves with a screwdriver.  The clunk
sounded like it was coming from around the timing belt area.  Any input
would be appreciated.  I can buy it for around $500 USD.

Chuck

From Libbybapa at wmconnect.com  Mon Apr  5 21:25:23 2004
From: Libbybapa at wmconnect.com (Libbybapa@wmconnect.com)
Date: Mon Apr  5 21:25:25 2004
Subject: [Vwdiesel] Looking for Advice
Message-ID: <7c.445af1e9.2da360f7@wmconnect.com>

Try taking off accessory belt/s and seeing if clunk goes away.  Is the engine 
$500 or the whole car?  How much is money an issue for you?  Who do you know? 
 Have you called all the import auto parts places in your area? Have you 
called/befriended all of the import repair facilities in your area?  Do you make 
beer?  Do you give it away for fun?  Do you really need another volkswagen 
(that was my wife talking)?  What region are you in?  Back east I could get any 
number of decent motors for great prices (in 10 years the whole body is rusted 
out from salt- more cars go to the junkyard for rust than for accidents). Here 
in AZ where I now live, the bodies are nice, but you can't find a decent 
motor.  Anyway, good luck, I wonder if I was any help at all.  Andrew
From hillsgrove at adelphia.net  Mon Apr  5 21:28:24 2004
From: hillsgrove at adelphia.net (Lee Hillsgrove)
Date: Mon Apr  5 21:28:26 2004
Subject: [Vwdiesel] Wisdom and Insight --- ( where from ???? )
References: <000d01c41b39$15d0ae60$4ced7240@svend>
Message-ID: <005001c41b76$55314640$6600a8c0@lee>


----- Original Message -----
From: "H.Hagar" <h_hagar@prcn.org>
To: <vwdiesel@vwfans.com>
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 2:07 PM
Subject: [Vwdiesel] Wisdom and Insight --- ( where from ???? )


>

>Synthetic oils have been a disaster in the past ---- American advertising
again.
>So be careful.
>
>The turbo is a special case ----- If you shut down a turbo red hot.----the
heat travels along
>the shaft to the bearing ---and it cooks the oil. In that case the  Mobil
Delvac 1  is a better
>choice. BUT ? do you do that.?.   Do I own shares in Exxon ?   NO.
>
>Synthetic Oils were invented say  1930 era , so why did it take   about 50
years to ban
>production of some of them ?  ---- like pyranol askarel etc.
>
>So  Delvac 1 and scamzoils and what not will never be banned ???? ---
think.
>



  To which I say..... Huh?

  I didn't catch a bit of the thrust of that whole passage. Except that a
hot turbo will coke the bearings.


  Lee
  Oo-v-oO
  PP-ASEL
  KB1GNI


From dieseltdi at earthlink.net  Mon Apr  5 21:38:11 2004
From: dieseltdi at earthlink.net (Hayden Chasteen)
Date: Mon Apr  5 21:38:12 2004
Subject: [Vwdiesel] Caddy breathes and sticks to the road
Message-ID: <09085378-876B-11D8-93DD-000A959B975C@earthlink.net>

Just did a bit more tweaking to the caddy this weekend and tonight.  
First on Saturday, I had a 2 1/4" exhaust system from the downpipe back 
added.  I opted for a straight through glass pack instead of a turbo 
muffler but it is not loud at all, just a low rumble.  I had them 
straighten the path as much as possible so no the exhaust pipe exists 
out under the rear bumper.   This really allows the turbo to spool up 
much quicker and my son says that you can even hear it when I get on it 
going down the street.  On one really hard fast run on the highway, I 
even bumped the wastegate open at a bit over 10 psi., sounded kind of 
funny.  The large pipe has also allowed the EGTs to come down a bit and 
cool off much faster after a full throttle run.  Then tonight I added a 
front stabilizer bar from an 87 Scirocco.  I had to reroute the brake 
lines and the fuel lines to get it on but it sure makes a difference in 
the handling.  I will need to crawl back under later to zip tie and 
cushion  the lines a bit for protection.  Next will be to relocate the 
battery and mount the SAAB intercooler and fan.  Then things can get 
interesting.  BTW despite what I posted last week, we still haven't 
received our Passat TDI yet.  It is at the port and I have a VIN but so 
far, VW has not released any of them for delivery yet.  Don't know the 
problem and neither does the dealer. It has been in at the port since 
3/22.  Oh well, it will get here when it gets here.  hayden

Visit my website at  www.home.earthlink.net/~dieseltdi
Proud owner of:
2004 Passat TDI GLS, 2.0l, 16 valve, 134 HP, 247 lbs/ft of torque, Blue 
Graphite, Anthracite leather interior, ABS, ESP on the truck and on the 
way to me!   :^)
1998 Jetta TDI (Wetterauer Chipset, 2 1/2" exhaust, K&N Filter, propane 
dual fuel system, 109K+ miles, and running biodiesel)
1981 Rabbit Pickup ( with a freshly rebuilt turbo engine), Will burn 
biodiesel and WVO with a propane injection system.
One, yet to be finished, Caddy trailer (the back end of the truck that 
gave its life to my just completed Rabbit Pickup).
And many, many, many VWs; from a 1946 Beetle (11 Beetles total), to 
Vans (5), Rabbits (3), Karmen Ghia (1), Jettas (5), Passat (1), Dasher 
(1), New Beetle (1), and Rabbit Pickups (3) most now gone but not 
forgotten.

From hseaver at cybershamanix.com  Mon Apr  5 22:24:21 2004
From: hseaver at cybershamanix.com (Harmon Seaver)
Date: Mon Apr  5 22:24:22 2004
Subject: [Vwdiesel] Wisdom and Insight --- ( where from ???? )
In-Reply-To: <005001c41b76$55314640$6600a8c0@lee>
References: <000d01c41b39$15d0ae60$4ced7240@svend>
	<005001c41b76$55314640$6600a8c0@lee>
Message-ID: <20040406022420.GB5036@cybershamanix.com>

> From: "H.Hagar" <h_hagar@prcn.org>
> To: <vwdiesel@vwfans.com>
> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 2:07 PM
> Subject: [Vwdiesel] Wisdom and Insight --- ( where from ???? )
> 
> 
> >
> 
> >Synthetic oils have been a disaster in the past ---- American advertising
> again.
> >So be careful.

   Say what? Synthetics are the only thing I'd ever put in an engine -- unless
it was real beat out leaker or oil burner. 



-- 
Harmon Seaver	
CyberShamanix
http://www.cybershamanix.com

From LBaird119 at aol.com  Tue Apr  6 02:48:27 2004
From: LBaird119 at aol.com (LBaird119@aol.com)
Date: Tue Apr  6 02:48:28 2004
Subject: [Vwdiesel] Caddy breathes and sticks to the road
Message-ID: <9e.7739137.2da3acb5@aol.com>


> Then tonight I added a 
> front stabilizer bar from an 87 Scirocco. 

  Is that an upper or lower bar?  I'm presuming lower.  Been meaning to 
do one of those but for lack of compiled, organized time.  I've heard 
the lower can really make a difference.  
  Today the exhaust dropped off the turbo on Dad's pu.  :(  I was driving it 
and as I entered a parking garage, I smelled the nice smell of VW 
diesel exhaust.  :)  Didn't notice the noise since I just pulled in and the 
radio was on as well.  Most of the studs snapped.  So, it's time to 
rebuild the immediate exit piece. Been needing to since it's first 
install.  I used a 2 1/2" tight radius, weld elbow.  The ID was nice but 
the OD was too big to get all the nuts back on the flange. 3 is NOT 
enough.  :P  Have to use some smaller stuff and maybe a short 
extension this time.  Trial and error...
     Loren
From dmacarthur at igc.org  Tue Apr  6 06:35:34 2004
From: dmacarthur at igc.org (Dan MacArthur)
Date: Tue Apr  6 06:35:35 2004
Subject: [Vwdiesel] Re: best car ever made
In-Reply-To: <20040406012829.A4BC9652CA@audifans.com>
Message-ID: <l03130301bc9860909d52@[216.204.74.145]>

Hagar says that the '80 Rabbit is the best, I have to disagree I firmly believe that the '81 was better- they had better brakes, better exhaust hook-ups, better looking front ends etc! So there!


From greg4vwparts at hotmail.com  Tue Apr  6 10:21:26 2004
From: greg4vwparts at hotmail.com (greg rich)
Date: Tue Apr  6 10:21:33 2004
Subject: [Vwdiesel] RE: Looking for advice
Message-ID: <Sea2-F36UbLjX2YSiOu0000d76a@hotmail.com>

Wow, sounds like a supply and demand thing...$500 USD would buy a decent 
running car around here with a good motor and car to go with it! I find 
motors for $100 regularily now due to the number of rusted and tired looking 
cars around here (Ottawa, Ontario), and the engines are good! It really 
should not smoke like that BUT if the oil is dirty and air filter clogged 
and injectors neglected it might be worth the risk if it were cheaper 
(IMHO). Remember it is cheap to rebuild a n/a diesel, under $1000 for 
everything done right, which is the better path?
How much blow by is there? Take off the oil cap with engine running and 
squeeze the hose on the valve cover, it the cap bounces off/gets blown away 
it has too much blow by (worn rings). Look around the fuel injectors for 
cracks in the head (threaded area), are there oil leaks around the dipstick 
(or signs of oil coming out the dipstick tube) signs of blow by, borrow an 
oil pressure guage (seriously ) and remove the cyl head oil pressure sender, 
sound have 29 psi @2000 rpm minimum, look for around 20 psi at idle.
Hope this helps
Greg

>Message: 6
>Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 16:28:36 -0600
>From: "Chuck Carnohan" <CCarnoha@itd.state.id.us>
>Subject: [Vwdiesel] Looking for Advice
>To: <vwdiesel@vwfans.com>
>Message-ID:
>	<1AA7FA919E0CF74DA0E02A4507D1B305808665@ITDEVS01.itd.state.id.us>
>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>
>
>I recently picked-up an '84 Rabbit with a thrashed 1.6NA and need an
>engine.  I have now come across another 1.6 engine with hydraulic
>lifters in an '85 Jetta (obviously not the original engine).  In short,
>the engine cranks right up and smooths-out quickly.  It hadn't been
>started in a couple of weeks.  Upon closer inspection the oil is globby
>as it passes over the plastic valve baffle.  There is no evidence of oil
>in the oil or the overflow tank.  The engine smokes a bit when revved-
>and continues to smoke some with rpm's raised (greyish blue) but not too
>bad.  I can't drive it as one of the CV's is out.  The engine appears to
>be a later model as it has the long dipstick and round plastic air box.
>What do you all think about this?  It sounds pretty good- a continual
>clunk sound that I couldn't track-down but I also couldn't hear it
>coming from the engine core or valves with a screwdriver.  The clunk
>sounded like it was coming from around the timing belt area.  Any input
>would be appreciated.  I can buy it for around $500 USD.
>
>Chuck
>
>
>

_________________________________________________________________
Free yourself from those irritating pop-up ads with MSn Premium. Get 2months 
FREE*  
http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines

From dieselwesty at yahoo.com  Tue Apr  6 10:30:36 2004
From: dieselwesty at yahoo.com (82 Diesel Westy)
Date: Tue Apr  6 10:30:36 2004
Subject: [Vwdiesel] Caddy breathes and sticks to the road
In-Reply-To: <09085378-876B-11D8-93DD-000A959B975C@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20040406143033.6278.qmail@web42005.mail.yahoo.com>

Sound like a very nice motor Hayden.  I did not know
VW was re-instroducing the Passat with TDI PD motor
this year.  Smart on thier part, they will sell.
The Jetta Wagon is a step down in price but all 04
TDI's are GLS interior and I went for the extra 1k to
do the heated leather seats.

Aside from a few body/interior creaks, the car is
great and made right along side the Passats at the
Wolfsburg factory.

Bryan


--- Hayden Chasteen <dieseltdi@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Just did a bit more tweaking to the caddy this
> weekend and tonight.  
> First on Saturday, I had a 2 1/4" exhaust system
> from the downpipe back 
> added.  I opted for a straight through glass pack
> instead of a turbo 
> muffler but it is not loud at all, just a low
> rumble.  I had them 
> straighten the path as much as possible so no the
> exhaust pipe exists 
> out under the rear bumper.   This really allows the
> turbo to spool up 
> much quicker and my son says that you can even hear
> it when I get on it 
> going down the street.  On one really hard fast run
> on the highway, I 
> even bumped the wastegate open at a bit over 10
> psi., sounded kind of 
> funny.  The large pipe has also allowed the EGTs to
> come down a bit and 
> cool off much faster after a full throttle run. 
> Then tonight I added a 
> front stabilizer bar from an 87 Scirocco.  I had to
> reroute the brake 
> lines and the fuel lines to get it on but it sure
> makes a difference in 
> the handling.  I will need to crawl back under later
> to zip tie and 
> cushion  the lines a bit for protection.  Next will
> be to relocate the 
> battery and mount the SAAB intercooler and fan. 
> Then things can get 
> interesting.  BTW despite what I posted last week,
> we still haven't 
> received our Passat TDI yet.  It is at the port and
> I have a VIN but so 
> far, VW has not released any of them for delivery
> yet.  Don't know the 
> problem and neither does the dealer. It has been in
> at the port since 
> 3/22.  Oh well, it will get here when it gets here. 
> hayden
> 
> Visit my website at 
> www.home.earthlink.net/~dieseltdi
> Proud owner of:
> 2004 Passat TDI GLS, 2.0l, 16 valve, 134 HP, 247
> lbs/ft of torque, Blue 
> Graphite, Anthracite leather interior, ABS, ESP on
> the truck and on the 
> way to me!   :^)
> 1998 Jetta TDI (Wetterauer Chipset, 2 1/2" exhaust,
> K&N Filter, propane 
> dual fuel system, 109K+ miles, and running
> biodiesel)
> 1981 Rabbit Pickup ( with a freshly rebuilt turbo
> engine), Will burn 
> biodiesel and WVO with a propane injection system.
> One, yet to be finished, Caddy trailer (the back end
> of the truck that 
> gave its life to my just completed Rabbit Pickup).
> And many, many, many VWs; from a 1946 Beetle (11
> Beetles total), to 
> Vans (5), Rabbits (3), Karmen Ghia (1), Jettas (5),
> Passat (1), Dasher 
> (1), New Beetle (1), and Rabbit Pickups (3) most now
> gone but not 
> forgotten.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Vwdiesel mailing list
> Vwdiesel@vwfans.com
> http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/vwdiesel


__________________________________
Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway 
http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/
From cz at ozarkisp.net  Tue Apr  6 10:50:10 2004
From: cz at ozarkisp.net (Brock)
Date: Tue Apr  6 10:50:11 2004
Subject: [Vwdiesel] Air cooled gas VW's
Message-ID: <007b01c41be6$593cc780$ad03db40@brock>

Anyone know of a good site like this for air cooled VW's?

Thanks,

Brock
From h_hagar at prcn.org  Tue Apr  6 11:27:44 2004
From: h_hagar at prcn.org (H.Hagar)
Date: Tue Apr  6 11:27:45 2004
Subject: [Vwdiesel] best car ever made  -- rating by      Dan MacArthur 
Message-ID: <000c01c41beb$949258e0$19ed7240@svend>

81 ?  is best ?   OK  I stand to be corrected.    (I never seen a 1981 Rabbit.)

The four door models made in Germany ---- is what I am talking about.

I have two Rabbits made in Germany and two made in USA. ---- need I say more ?

The USA models are no labor of love. ---shitty material shitty fitting  shitty paint
shitty headliners.    And I am only comparing what I got.  I saw a film from Germany
and they completely submerged the body in a tank of paint. That means painted inside and
out. ----Do the do that in America ?   --I wonder.  

The Rabbit looks good handles good -- is roomy  ----and that hatch ?  got a love it.
Hell I carried a freezer one day.  

I am a young geezer going on 72 ----  when I first came to the "Wonderful America"
in 1953 it was a car crazy culture ---and I got infected. ( NO cure now)

Did I say BEST car ever made ?  --- gee I never say things like that.  That would
be Rolls , Cadillac, Lincoln Continental , Porche ,Mercedes ,BMW , Honda Prelude
you get the drift.       The most important car of ALL time has to go to  ---
"Tin Lizzy"   One could look up  cheapest car ever sold --- It is not a VW.

Did foreign carmakers set up shop in America by choice ???  not in my memory.
It was by armtwisting.      Look up Rolls --- VW --- and many more .
It worked ? --- the cost is too high period.--so it never really worked out.   
I compared a Honda made in Japan and one made in USA. -----Louanne got
the Japanese ( I am the fixer) Her girlfriend brings in her brand new Honda
Accord made in USA.  ----nuff said.

Hagar. 

PS:  Is the 1981 made in Germany ?.
From iscass at shaw.ca  Tue Apr  6 11:39:22 2004
From: iscass at shaw.ca (cass)
Date: Tue Apr  6 11:39:23 2004
Subject: [Vwdiesel] injector lines.   -- weird
References: <000b01c4166e$60671b00$4aed7240@svend>
Message-ID: <002e01c41bed$5118dec0$0200a8c0@ccl475>


hi all..
just wanted to let everyone know..(cause i know the wondering is killing you...)
after trying several different hard lines to stop leak, now specifically #2 injector
 ..( new injectors..)
(and several  new / different  return lines)
i kept thinking i had it sealed...would give it a lil rev..
and it would leak(allot)
on closer closer closer inspection..i noticed one of the return..nipples?
was not bent..but wiggled just a bit up and down...so when it was revved..it would pop up a bit n leak like crazy...just idling, and it wouldn't leak.
anyway.....covered by warranty...problem fixed :o)


thanks for everyone's help..
cassie
From jhsg at sasktel.net  Tue Apr  6 11:51:49 2004
From: jhsg at sasktel.net (James Hansen)
Date: Tue Apr  6 11:51:50 2004
Subject: [Vwdiesel] Air cooled gas VW's
In-Reply-To: <007b01c41be6$593cc780$ad03db40@brock>
Message-ID: <JDELIOONCIECDNKCCMIOGEFEEEAA.jhsg@sasktel.net>

Nope, but you might want to ask aircooled questions anyway, there's a lot of
old airheads here.

Hmm, that didn't come out right...

-James

> -----Original Message-----
> From: vwdiesel-bounces@vwfans.com [mailto:vwdiesel-bounces@vwfans.com]On
> Behalf Of Brock
> Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 8:49 AM
> To: vwdiesel@vwfans.com
> Subject: [Vwdiesel] Air cooled gas VW's
>
>
> Anyone know of a good site like this for air cooled VW's?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brock
> _______________________________________________
> Vwdiesel mailing list
> Vwdiesel@vwfans.com
> http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/vwdiesel
> ---
> Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.
> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
> Version: 6.0.647 / Virus Database: 414 - Release Date: 03/29/2004
>
---
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.647 / Virus Database: 414 - Release Date: 03/29/2004


From h_hagar at prcn.org  Tue Apr  6 12:28:22 2004
From: h_hagar at prcn.org (H.Hagar)
Date: Tue Apr  6 12:28:23 2004
Subject: [Vwdiesel] Wisdom and Insight --- ( where from ???? ) tounge in
	cheek.
Message-ID: <000201c41bf4$0f6899a0$8aed7240@svend>

I had just come from the dentist  --- me a young geezer going on 72 , 
and he holds up a fancy xray in front of me and --- I quote  "You got wisdom".

Her I still have a class a one wisdom's-tooth . Looked like the best tooth in my mouth.

Anyway the thread was about declining popularity of VW in America.

And in the mains I agree that there is a problem  --- her is my first hand account.

With the 1984 1.6L Turbo Rabbit I got "The Bills" from previous owners.   Rip off
shameless overcharging.  Now did the stealership do a GOOD job ???  yes.
But very expensive.

Harmon and LEE    do not take it too seriously about SYN.
It is a comment on the disasters in the past ---enviromental disasters.
The performance of the products were superb.

Hagar.
From LBaird119 at aol.com  Tue Apr  6 12:34:01 2004
From: LBaird119 at aol.com (LBaird119@aol.com)
Date: Tue Apr  6 12:34:03 2004
Subject: [Vwdiesel] best car ever made  -- rating by      Dan MacArthur 
Message-ID: <83.8c1eda8.2da435f0@aol.com>


> The USA models are no labor of love. ---shitty material shitty fitting  
> shitty paint
> shitty headliners.   And I am only comparing what I got.  I saw a film from 
> Germany
> and they completely submerged the body in a tank of paint. That means 
> painted inside and out. ----Do the do that in America ?   --I wonder.  
> 

  Gee, almost sounds like USA bashing.  ;-)  Having done a repaint on both 
an 80 and an 81 I can safely say that neither car was "dip" painted.  
Maybe some rust proofing but not the paint nor primer. My 81 had 
a pip of rust at the bottom of every paint chip.  Jake's 81 had a pip of 
primer.  Much better there.  The headliners suck but that had nothing 
to do with the factory.  That would be head of design.  Yup, bad design.
There's always the option of doing like Jake did.  Visit the wrecking 
yard on a warm day and find yourself a good, used, early headliner.

  Do I preffer an 80?  Yup again.  Then, I own one but the headliner is 
a big point.  I like the grille better but it's the horizontal lines one on 
mine.  Jake couldn't believe how much better mine handled than his.  
Mine was stock and his was slightly modified at that point.  I tend 
to like the chrome bumpers with lights in them over the wrap around 
fender lights.  83 actually has some advantages over the 81.  Dome 
light and "bolt through" vent windows rather than the "glue on" ones.

  AFIK the 80 and 81 have the same brakes.  Some Rabbits up to 
81 have the ATE brakes, which are a two piston design.  Smaller 
pads but I like them better. Mostly for the ease of changing pads 
and the dual piston rather than one and a slide arrangement.  Heavy 
Mercedes' stop on about the same size pad so I guess size doesn't 
matter.  ;-)

  I also tend to like the 6 bolt flange over the spring clip one.  Yeah, 
I usually break a stud but it's still not that bad plus the flow design of
the manifold and downpipe is so much better over the 81.  It's so good 
that all the "kids" out there looking for a better stock manifold arrangement 

go to the pre 81 setup.
     Loren
From natewall1 at yahoo.com  Tue Apr  6 12:41:37 2004
From: natewall1 at yahoo.com (Nate Wall)
Date: Tue Apr  6 12:41:38 2004
Subject: [Vwdiesel] Caddy breathes and sticks to the road
In-Reply-To: <20040406143033.6278.qmail@web42005.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20040406164133.61879.qmail@web80805.mail.yahoo.com>

Interesting, the 04 Jetta Wagon is made in Germany?
How is the build quality? I have an 04 Jetta TDI
sedan. Its made in Mexico and it apears that the build
quality is lower than my '85 Jetta TD that was made in
Germany.

--Nate
--- 82 Diesel Westy <dieselwesty@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Sound like a very nice motor Hayden.  I did not know
> VW was re-instroducing the Passat with TDI PD motor
> this year.  Smart on thier part, they will sell.
> The Jetta Wagon is a step down in price but all 04
> TDI's are GLS interior and I went for the extra 1k
> to
> do the heated leather seats.
> 
> Aside from a few body/interior creaks, the car is
> great and made right along side the Passats at the
> Wolfsburg factory.
> 
> Bryan
> 
> 
> --- Hayden Chasteen <dieseltdi@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > Just did a bit more tweaking to the caddy this
> > weekend and tonight.  
> > First on Saturday, I had a 2 1/4" exhaust system
> > from the downpipe back 
> > added.  I opted for a straight through glass pack
> > instead of a turbo 
> > muffler but it is not loud at all, just a low
> > rumble.  I had them 
> > straighten the path as much as possible so no the
> > exhaust pipe exists 
> > out under the rear bumper.   This really allows
> the
> > turbo to spool up 
> > much quicker and my son says that you can even
> hear
> > it when I get on it 
> > going down the street.  On one really hard fast
> run
> > on the highway, I 
> > even bumped the wastegate open at a bit over 10
> > psi., sounded kind of 
> > funny.  The large pipe has also allowed the EGTs
> to
> > come down a bit and 
> > cool off much faster after a full throttle run. 
> > Then tonight I added a 
> > front stabilizer bar from an 87 Scirocco.  I had
> to
> > reroute the brake 
> > lines and the fuel lines to get it on but it sure
> > makes a difference in 
> > the handling.  I will need to crawl back under
> later
> > to zip tie and 
> > cushion  the lines a bit for protection.  Next
> will
> > be to relocate the 
> > battery and mount the SAAB intercooler and fan. 
> > Then things can get 
> > interesting.  BTW despite what I posted last week,
> > we still haven't 
> > received our Passat TDI yet.  It is at the port
> and
> > I have a VIN but so 
> > far, VW has not released any of them for delivery
> > yet.  Don't know the 
> > problem and neither does the dealer. It has been
> in
> > at the port since 
> > 3/22.  Oh well, it will get here when it gets
> here. 
> > hayden
> > 
> > Visit my website at 
> > www.home.earthlink.net/~dieseltdi
> > Proud owner of:
> > 2004 Passat TDI GLS, 2.0l, 16 valve, 134 HP, 247
> > lbs/ft of torque, Blue 
> > Graphite, Anthracite leather interior, ABS, ESP on
> > the truck and on the 
> > way to me!   :^)
> > 1998 Jetta TDI (Wetterauer Chipset, 2 1/2"
> exhaust,
> > K&N Filter, propane 
> > dual fuel system, 109K+ miles, and running
> > biodiesel)
> > 1981 Rabbit Pickup ( with a freshly rebuilt turbo
> > engine), Will burn 
> > biodiesel and WVO with a propane injection system.
> > One, yet to be finished, Caddy trailer (the back
> end
> > of the truck that 
> > gave its life to my just completed Rabbit Pickup).
> > And many, many, many VWs; from a 1946 Beetle (11
> > Beetles total), to 
> > Vans (5), Rabbits (3), Karmen Ghia (1), Jettas
> (5),
> > Passat (1), Dasher 
> > (1), New Beetle (1), and Rabbit Pickups (3) most
> now
> > gone but not 
> > forgotten.
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Vwdiesel mailing list
> > Vwdiesel@vwfans.com
> > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/vwdiesel
> 
> 
> __________________________________
> Do you Yahoo!?
> Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway 
> http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/
> _______________________________________________
> Vwdiesel mailing list
> Vwdiesel@vwfans.com
> http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/vwdiesel


__________________________________
Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway 
http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/
From natewall1 at yahoo.com  Tue Apr  6 12:46:55 2004
From: natewall1 at yahoo.com (Nate Wall)
Date: Tue Apr  6 12:46:55 2004
Subject: [Vwdiesel] RE: Looking for advice
In-Reply-To: <Sea2-F36UbLjX2YSiOu0000d76a@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <20040406164653.48396.qmail@web80804.mail.yahoo.com>

<<<I find motors for $100 regularily now due to the
number of rusted and tired looking cars around here
(Ottawa, Ontario), and the engines are good!>>>

I live in Northern Virginia (right outside of
Washington, DC). I called a few local salvage yards
three years ago and asked if they had a VW diesel
motor for sale. They must not be common around here (I
can not remember the last time I saw a VW IDI diesel
on the road, other than mine here) and at about the
fifth call I located one. It was a non-turbo motor
from a Golf that had about 135,000 miles on it. Get
this, the salvage yard wanted $1,200 US dollars for
it! And that was with me picking it up!

--Nate

__________________________________
Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway 
http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/
From h_hagar at prcn.org  Tue Apr  6 12:54:35 2004
From: h_hagar at prcn.org (H.Hagar)
Date: Tue Apr  6 12:54:35 2004
Subject: [Vwdiesel] Air cooled gas VW's --- ( I am with James ---so there
	BROCK shoot )
Message-ID: <000201c41bf7$b938dc80$76ed7240@svend>

Nope, but you might want to ask air-cooled questions anyway, there's a lot of
old airheads here.

Hmm, that didn't come out right...
- James.

No "airhead"  No diesel as simple as that.    Being the owner of a Gyrocopter ---
powered by a  1600 cc Twin Carb  VW  airhead ---let me say it is a fine engine.
But my next Gyro will be diesel ----LOL.

I suspect there is a forum for airheads.     But a lot of the fellas here came this way
via the BEETLE .   And the " Ryebread "    --- so you can expect some help.

Hagar.

PS:  My next Gyro engine will be a Gas  Rotax.
From hseaver at cybershamanix.com  Tue Apr  6 13:04:53 2004
From: hseaver at cybershamanix.com (Harmon Seaver)
Date: Tue Apr  6 13:04:53 2004
Subject: [Vwdiesel] Air cooled gas VW's
In-Reply-To: <007b01c41be6$593cc780$ad03db40@brock>
References: <007b01c41be6$593cc780$ad03db40@brock>
Message-ID: <20040406170453.GA6444@cybershamanix.com>

   If you go to http://www.type2.com you will find the type2 and vintage bus
lists, which, of course, are all aircooled and (mostly) all the same engines as
in the bugs. Tremendous lot of knowledgable people there. Also at vanagon.com,
there is some aircooled discussion, as the early vanagons were aircooled. 
  Also there usenet -- alt.autos.makers.vw.aircooled and maybe others.


On Tue, Apr 06, 2004 at 09:49:21AM -0500, Brock wrote:
> Anyone know of a good site like this for air cooled VW's?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Brock
> _______________________________________________
> Vwdiesel mailing list
> Vwdiesel@vwfans.com
> http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/vwdiesel

-- 
Harmon Seaver	
CyberShamanix
http://www.cybershamanix.com

From CCarnoha at itd.state.id.us  Tue Apr  6 13:13:14 2004
From: CCarnoha at itd.state.id.us (Chuck Carnohan)
Date: Tue Apr  6 13:13:15 2004
Subject: [Vwdiesel] RE: Looking for advice
Message-ID: <1AA7FA919E0CF74DA0E02A4507D1B305808668@ITDEVS01.itd.state.id.us>

This is getting interesting!  So, how hard are good 1.6na diesels to
come by?  Here in the West they are scarce and wrecking yards that have
one ask $600.00- I have seen them advertised in the Minneapolis-StPaul
area for $350.00.  It makes sense that the engines are more plentiful
back east with the rust and, the number of vehicles registered over the
years (population dynamics).  So, according to kind response to my
original question about this engine, I think I will pass as the dip
stick tube where it enters the block is leaking, some pressure is noted
when the oil fill cap is removed and a bit of smoke also emanates
briefly.  I just thought that the "O" ring on the dipstick tube needed
replacement but the pressure at the oil cap sounds like a determination
of unacceptable blow-by?  It sure did start easy though for a
low-compression engine.  Warm day (70 degrees) in the sunshine helps a
lot I'm sure.  I'm hard-pressed to pay 5 or 6 hundred dollars for an
engine when the last one I got was $300 with the pickup attached!  Lucky
scrounge, I know! I just don't want to be stupid and let a good engine
slip away.....

Chuck

-----Original Message-----
From: Nate Wall [mailto:natewall1@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 10:47 AM
To: greg rich; vwdiesel@vwfans.com
Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] RE: Looking for advice


<<<I find motors for $100 regularily now due to the
number of rusted and tired looking cars around here
(Ottawa, Ontario), and the engines are good!>>>

I live in Northern Virginia (right outside of
Washington, DC). I called a few local salvage yards
three years ago and asked if they had a VW diesel
motor for sale. They must not be common around here (I
can not remember the last time I saw a VW IDI diesel
on the road, other than mine here) and at about the
fifth call I located one. It was a non-t