[Vwdiesel] Vwdiesel Digest, Vol 40, Issue 31/ NaCl2 -CO

Jeff Rakus turbobrick at hotmail.com
Sun Feb 25 23:37:20 EST 2007

I have seen them use salt where I live here in Colorado, they also use MgCl2 
( Magnesium chloride)
as shown by the special settings on the car wash selector switches> I see 
more old VW's here but I was dismayed to see the use of salt this season. 
They sure don't know how to clear the snow here very well here and the 
excuse has always been " We usually get snow and it melts in 2 or 3 days " - 
that's well and good but no excuse for not being prepared to be able to 
clean it up. With the speed limit 75 on I-25 here so many idiots flip suv's 
and have accidents when it's dry even worse when it's wet....  Makes me miss 

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Today's Topics:

    1. Re: TDI Passet 4 Motion (Terry Briggs)
    2. Re: TDI Passet 4 Motion (Andrew Buc)
    3. TDI Passet 4 Motion (William J Toensing)
    4. Look at what I just bought :o) (The President)


Message: 1
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 17:22:49 -0500
From: Terry Briggs <vbriggs at stny.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] TDI Passet 4 Motion
To: Vwdiesel at vwfans.com
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Myself, I would rather they didn't use salt or deicer here in NY. The
traffic seems to slow down considerably when the white stuff covers the
road, I've actually observed fewer condition related accidents when
they don't use the stuff, but after they salt the road and drivers can
see even a little spot of pavement, they seem to think just because the
roads salted, they can zip along much fast, when in fact the deicer
makes driving more dangerous. The slush will pull you off the road
faster than the hard packed snow will every time. Of course this is
just my observation as a fireman that has 12 miles of interstate
highway to cover, but the statistic seems to hold true, at least here.
On Feb 24, 2007, at 11:12 AM, Roger Brown wrote:

 > William J Toensing wrote:
 >> Some of you from snow country have expressed surprise over Calif.
 >> chain requirements in the
 >> mountains, when it snows. I grew up in Minnesota or "Minne-snow-ta"
 >> as I some times call it.
 >> I never used chains back there & first considered it an insult to be
 >> required to use chains as I
 >> know how to drive in snow. I moved to Calif. when I was 36 years old,
 >> in 1969. However, you don't
 >> argue with the CHP, you chain up or don't drive when chains are
 >> required.
 >> Often, four or all wheel drive cars are exempt from chain
 >> requirements.
 >> The problem here is most Californians don't know how to drive in snow
 >> or bad weather,
 >> unless they come from snow country as I do. Also, our snow is usually
 >> a sticky wet type
 >> known as "Sierra Cement". This is because the temperature is  usually
 >> around freezing when
 >> it snows, whereas it is usually much colder when it snows in Minn. In
 >> addition,
 >> you have heavy traffic & steep grades in the mountains, & an accident
 >> can & does cause gridlock.
 > The full chain control story is on the Cal Trans page:
 > 	http://www.dot.ca.gov/hq/roadinfo/chcontrl.htm
 > Rarely ever see the R3 conditions, as they usually close the
 > highway/freeway before things get that
 > bad (usually due to blowing snow and poor visibility).  Only the main
 > highways have manned chain
 > control check stations, the smaller roads will have signs up.  Usually
 > with R2 conditions, they
 > will impose a 25 MPH speed limit as well and 4WD/AWD are required to
 > carry chains, although I have
 > never been asked to show them.
 > Probably a few factors come into play with the chain controls.  One is
 > that since there is only
 > snow in the mountains, most folks don't normally run snow tires.  I
 > used to slap on a set of 4
 > snows on my VW when heading up skiing, then take them off the day
 > after returning.  The other issue
 > is that the snowfall rates can be very high, many inches of snow per
 > hour up at 7000' and higher,
 > and long stretches of road up high over the passes, so it is hard to
 > keep the snow clear when it is
 > coming down heavy (and salt is not used).  And yes, there are steep
 > grades and sharp turns on the
 > mountain passes.  Plus I think there is one other reason for the
 > chains, that is that storms rarely
 > last for more than a few days in the Sierra and then the normal sunny
 > weather returns.  With the
 > cars running chains, the compact snow and ice on the roadway is broken
 > up faster.  Once dark
 > pavement shows through, the sun hits it and it melts away in a few
 > hours.  I guess as an
 > alternative to salting the roads, that is OK.
 > --
 >     Roger
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 17:30:09 -0800
From: Andrew Buc <AndrewBuc at staxman.net>
Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] TDI Passet 4 Motion
To: Terry Briggs <vbriggs at stny.rr.com>
Cc: Vwdiesel at vwfans.com
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On Feb 24, 2007, at 2:22 PM, Terry Briggs wrote:

 > Myself, I would rather they didn't use salt or deicer here in NY.

The fact that salt eats out car bodies and pollutes ground water is
reason not to use it right there. In Colorado (definitely snow
country) they use sand.


Message: 3
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 01:44:25 -0800
From: "William J Toensing" <toensing at wildblue.net>
Subject: [Vwdiesel] TDI Passet 4 Motion
To: <vwdiesel at vwfans.com>
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Thank you , Roger Brown, for amplifying on the Caltrans chain requirement. I 
agreed on everything you said except one point, Caltrans DOES use salt, at 
least according to some local newspaper articles & TV news reports I have 
seen. I am very sensitive to the use of salt for road deicing. This is one 
of the main reasons I left Minn. Back in the 1960s, most cars would start 
rusting out in 3 years. 1957 & 1958 Plymouths & Dodges would start rusting 
out in less than one year. Here in Calif. you can still find rust free old 
cars including the afore mentioned Dodges & Plymouths. I have collected old 
cars over the years. I have 2 Hudsons, 2 Packards, a 1941 Ford & other old 
cars that are rust free.


Message: 4
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 16:54:37 +0000
From: "The President" <quantum-man at hotmail.co.uk>
Subject: [Vwdiesel] Look at what I just bought :o)
To: vwdiesel at vwfans.com
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I did say I wouldn't buy a 'transverse' didn't  I?

I've actually bought it to replace my mother-in-law's Polo (a kind of Audi
She was looking for power steering as she was 82 in August and her wrists
are weakening and her night vision is reducing (better lights in one of

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